why should abatebe recalled if we don't even have interest in keeping our very own "#1 player in ligue 1"

I know it's a minority view but as far as I'm concerned, Gourcuff can stay in Ligue 1. I'd rather have Abate.

Gourcuff is better than the seedorf that starts for milan..and the thing people don't know is that he'll definitely get better...Seedorf is old, he can't get any better..Look at Hamsik...young and very dangerous..He's going to get better just like Gourcuff will get better too....Gourcuff is very good and better than seedorf now and will get better which will benefit us in the future....He has grown in stature and can get better..guyys Gourcuff is young..In 2-3 years he'll be better than he is now...He's better than some midfielders we have...I pray he comes back

We have no proof he or any young player will get better. We certainly hope he will but it's never a given.

I still don't see what everyone else does in the guy. Would rather take the 15 million from the buyout and buy a good centerback.

Of course i'll take a very good centree back...but he has a very major talent which seems to be getting better...on club level as well as international level...He can be our iniesta for milan...In any case, whether he comes back or he doesn't milan would still buy a good centre back...Very much needed...but plus him, this could provide the much needed depth for us...Man U has tons of players in their squad...ROTATION IS NEEDED FOR MILAN BUT ANCELOTTI DOESN'T DO THAT AT ALL...EVERY OTHER COACH DOES....I wish he comes back...most of our midfield players aren't as good as Gourcuff is..I'm just sayin...but what if or when Gourcuff comes back and surprises you Tennie, what u gon say? b/c Gourcuff is not bad at all..why would madrid or even Chelsea want him?

what's wrong with the article? Everything can happen easily.....

Uhm. Yes, there is rotation. Not as much as some might like but the rotation is there.

And how can you possibly say that most of our midfielders aren't at Gourcuff's level, Kenny? Have you seen him play at all since he went to Bordeaux? Have you seen the level the rest of his teammates (or for that mater the level of the opposing teams) in Ligue 1? Not the same level as at Milan and comparing performances at the two teams is not valid for that reason. Gourcuff has done well at Bordeaux but that is no guarantee he'd do well anywhere else - because I doubt a Madrid or a Chelsea would build an entire team around him, whereas that's what has been done at Bordaux. Milan is certainly not going to build a team around him - frankly, he's not that good. Very few players are.

Why would I prefer to see Abate back? He's fast, he can cross the ball beautifully, and he's managed to have a breakout season at TORINO, who are not doing well this year at all. He's been pretty much the only consistent bright spot on the whole team, even pushign Rosina to the bench for months at a time. The fact that he's done very well at one of the poorer teams in the league indicates mental toughness - the fact that it's a Serie A team indicates that he's used to the league and won't need an adjustment period.

If he should come back and do well, I'll admit I was wrong. Don't have a problem doing that either. Still don't like Beckham, for example, and am happy to admit that I was wrong about him. He has done very well indeed for Milan.

Well, the article quotes no sources and seems more speculation than anything else. It could just as easily be something you or I publish.

yes sure but i really like the articles that says that Mexes will join Milan
I would like to see him and thiago silva next season!!! Maybe if Nesta get better that will be a fantastic trio but I am pessimistic about Alessandro.

The calculation youth=good=ensured progress is a very wrong calculation. i get that Seedorf now is a persona non grata. Okay, let it be, to be honest, he did poor many times this season. But based on what do you state that Gourcuff is getting better? Do you watch his Bordeaux performances?


No. If you watched Gourcuff you should know that there's no resemblence of the two players other then "midfielder" in general specification and dark hair.

lol HAHAHA...Tennie u just don't like Gourcuff, admit it....

Never said I did like him.

But that doesn't change the fact that I disagree completely with your reasoning, kenny. I don't think you've seen enough of GOurcuff play this year to make a fair judgment about his abilities and potential to be a starter for the club. I also wonder how much of Milan's games you watch when you say that there's no rotation. It's rather clear you're on the 'Carlo Must Die' bandwagon.

I'd rather trust someone like Gattuso who said in an interview to Mediaset that Gourcuff shows talent but that he was sometimes not ready when he was given chances (in other words, he played poorly when given the opportunity to do so).

I've watched every single milan game this season including UEFA Cup and the friendlies...Carlo played players base on performances and form....The way the see other teams rotate players compared to milan..tis almost that milan doesn't rotate....Its either Ambro is injured then Flamini plays or pirlo in jured then janku is moved to the midfield for favalli to shift to the left to play and senderos then plays centre...Or inzaghi just hit form then he plays games till he gets a flu or something then we'll shift back to 4-3-2-1 still leaving Sheva out...I know milan in and out....All i'm sayin is that Gourcuff could be better with all these players around him...Pato is indespensible now..and i hope gourcuff will become one when or if he comes back..So let me ask u a question Tennie? Gourcuff vs Seedorf who'll u pick to be on ur team? look at Giovinco...he's improved a lot and thats cuz he's playing and he's good..IMO i wish he comes bak

And I don't think other teams necessarily do things very differently: the cugini don't, chelsea doesn't, hamburg doesn't, etc etc etc. not everyone rotates 4-5 players every single week. The reason for this is that it makes it harder for a cohesive unit to form as the season goes on. Liverpool is not the example to take for this sort of thing.

You're welcome to believe Gourcuff will Save Us All.

I don't think there's any guarantee he'd be a success and think he may turn out to be more trouble than he's worth if he returns.

True..everyone has their own beliefs and thoughts..I'm not saying that he'll save milan..but he'll make milan better compared to the players we have now..everyone and anyone is entitled to think what they want..but i hope hee comes back

And I think Milan have players better in midfield than Gourcuff will ever be. (Pirlo, for example)

c'mon Tennie that's a lil too harsh on a milan player...don't forget Gourcuff is still a milan player

You're free to believe what you wish, kenny. Just as I'm free to believe what I wish.

I also would pick Rino Gattuso before anyone else except Pirlo. He doesn't have the technical skills but he's got such heart and such passion that if he were healthy I feel it would be foolish not to play him.

I really honestly don't think Gourcuff is as good as you guys do. All I've seen is a lot of media hype and a couple of reasonably good CL games. His league play...meh.

If we were going by the market value of our midfield right now:

Kaka
Gourcuff
Pirlo
Ronaldinho
Flamini



Right now pirlo is 29, gattuso is 30. Seedorf is 32. How many years do you think they can keep on playing every game? Just letting go of gourcuff for 15 million is a joke. If this deal goes through we will become a laughing stock when he is sold to a bigger club for 2 or 3x that amount.

Also regarding rotation, we have very little rotation in our squad; we see the same players every week with maybe 1 change in the Treq/Striker at most (if there are no injuries). The no rotation policy works only if we have a solid and fit starting line up who are able to dish it out every week. In other words players in the peak of their prime; A good example is Barcelona, whose players are able to play at the highest level every week. We dont have players like that, which is why they get injured from overuse because our coach doesn't believe that his philosophy should change and adapt to modern football.

if this is true then all I gotta say is holy sh!T. Madrid will go bankrupt forsure. They have wayyy too much debt.

I wouldn't necessarily say no to Maxwell.

Simple question: how many Gourcuff-Bordeaux matches have you seen so far?

4 in the league and 1 C.L game and he was good in all 5 games.....but not good enough for us

i've got a better question and it somewhat answers the one you just raised: how many seedorf-milan matches have you seen int he past 3 years? whether we bring in gourcuff, gourcuffio or hamsik i think everyone wants a change. and gourcuff is a natural option since he is still our property.

whether he can truly play seedorfs position isnt that important, because he brings a different dimension. and who said we really need to have the "seedorf" position? do systems really have to be that stringent?

we have too many slow playmakers that try to make these killer passes from center field, which has rendered us somewhat predictable and lame.

how many subpar seedorf/pirlo/ambro/rino performances in the last few years have you seen?


Why say no to gourcuff? With all these rumors going on it seems that carlo's departure is becoming more of a reality so why not give him a chance under a new coach with a new system.



I just dont get what you mean by your comments. He is our property, we dont have to pay anything for him and he has proven he has what it takes to become as good as Kaka.

+1

Going to respectfully disagree that Gourcuff has proven a thing other than that he's good in the French league. To be as good as Kaka? Nah. Definitely not that. Is he a good player in France? Sure. But that doesn't equate to being a star in Italy.

But I'm not going to get into further arguments about Gourcuff because I don't really see the point. Some of you think he's the next big thing; I don't see it at all.

FYI, the latest rumors on Mediaset have Ancelotti NOT going to Madrid.

It doesn't take much to light up Ligue 1. It's like having a Formula 1 car in a chariot race.

Also read somewhere that until his last wonder goal (the highlight of which was posted here), he'd has a long series of 'low-energy' performance. That was the term used. Makes me wonder it does.

I would like him back, just to give him one more season proper, and then decide. Just like we gave Gila that one last season.

You never know. He could be the next Zidane or the next Aimar. Too early.

I think he deserves a shot.. like Jack said, if Gila got that many shots then Gourcuff deserves one. Personally I wish he was loaned to a Serie A team so he'd get some Serie A experience. As for the low-energy performances, part of that is him being one of Bourdeauxs top players and he starts most of the games. At Milan he can rotate and get more rest.

Today rumors says that if Anceloti stays with milan that Adebayor, Clichy and Ager will come for sure in Milan. And maybe also Mexes.... I don't believe this but it will be very nice.... It also says that if Anceloti leaves Milan that Milan will start with the ''green line'' and leave Kaka to Real Madrid and begin a ''new era''!

Bullshite. If they fire Ancelotti, they will keep Kaka. They won't let both go together. The team will be broken. I hope the first part is true though. Clichy? Weird! I doubt it. Not when Maxwell (who is Brazillian AND free) is available.

I actually want Maxwell. Just the fact that he's ex-Inter coming to Milan means he's going to perform above expectations for us!

I think Maxwell have a in his contract that he can go only out of Italy, parameter 17 i think so if this is true he is going to Barca to replace silvinho....

On Carlo, galliani says that he will stay in Milan for 99,9% and that they will discus transfers once they will now which european competition Milan will play...

Yeah..but Maxwell's agent says nothing doing and claims Maxwell will buy out his contract rather than be forced by Inter.

now i read his manager interview and he said maxwel can stay in Italy so he can come in Milan, after the season with Janku and similar players he will be a great reinforcement if he joins Milan, with him Tiago, Mexes (my biggest hope) and Zambro this will become a great defense like Milan deserves. With also bonera, darmiani(my second hope), albetrazi (my third hope:D) mattioni and also with nesta if he get better this will be really a great defense that Carlo can rotate how ever he wants.... The others: They can go wherever!!

Nah i think Carlo should be gone

i dont share your view but this is an old story... He won everything with milan and with some reinforcement he will bring milan back on track for sure, he is with us for a long time and i think he deserve one more chance.... Look at ferguson with manchester, in the first seven years he won nothing.... at look at manchester now. And Carlo won everything in the first seven years and i hope he will bring milan to the stars like he and we deserve....

Hes 22, how can you even predict something like that? I've seen a total of 14 games with gourcuff playing a mix of french league/uefa. He has that spark to be a worldclass player. Its not just me who has said this but its a similar view held by top clubs around the world.


Right now he is the best youth player we have. He is better than gennaro/paloschi/abate etc. I just dont see your logic. The only thing I can see in your arguement is that hes not italian. At milan he was barely given chances to prove himself, furthermore our coach is no youth developer as can be seen by many examples so i can't see how you can judge him just like that.

Isn't it a bit arrogant on your part to say that he has no chance of becoming a star in italy when right now even the chelsea/bayern would kill to have him in their team; when bordeaux is willing to smash their transfer fee record to have him on their team.

Even for 30 million its worth it. I say go for him 100% We need a worldclass striker like adebayor. Trade viudez whatever needed. I'd even say let gourcuff go to arsenal for him.

Gosh. Where to start on this?

First off, I don't see Chelsea or Bayern killing to have him on their team. Got links to articles with Kenyon or Hoeness saying something to that effect? Cos I sure haven't seen them. Got links to articles with anyone from Real or Barca stating they want Gourcuff? Haven't seen those either.

Secondly, I disagree that Gourcuff got no chances. I think he did get plenty of chances and that he did not make the most of those chances (this view, by the way, was echoed by Gattuso in an interview to mediaset).

Thirdly, I don't disagree that Gourcuff has natural talent. That said, I think he's one of those guys who's much better off being a big fish in a small pond, much like Gila. I don't think Gourcuff can deal with the pressure of playing for a big club. Bordeaux is not a big club.

Fourthly, I'm not going to even respond to the implication that I don't like Gourcuff because he isn't Italian. Insinuations like that are insulting and beneath contempt.

Finally, I'm not going to respond further to any more of the Martyrdom of Saint Yoann posts in this or other threads because I think it's pointless. I don't think he's as good as some do and really would prefer not to be insulted again for having an opinion that differs from that of others.

Okay now i'm confident carlo will be leaving this summer. Galliani has came out and denied and even threw in a percentage

Gallian did say we were going to be heavy on trading this summer

So 12 million isn't bad for a 19 year old. I say sign him along with mexes. We could use kaladze/boriello to lower the price.

I dont know how much of this is true, but it seem that Galliani is not stupid.

If gourcuff came back,

So far:

Gourcuff
Silva
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I say go for adebayor who is 30 million. Get him by whatever means necessary. We can then sign mexes who will come under 20 mil or Kjaer who is 12 mil (release clause).

Goalie marchetti 5 million.

Maxwell and obi mikel would then be the last transfers. If this all goes through it would be excellent. Bring back abate as well for the bench.


sell/release:

Sheva
Boriello
Ronaldinho
Maldini
Kaladze
Dida

Have you seen Adebayor play? I hope we go bankrupt before we sign that mediocre idiot. 30m? I would not pay more than 5m for him!

And 12 million for Kjaer? No way!

I would rather have him than sheva/borriello or inzaghi playing up front. Besides there are no other WC strikers right now that we have a chance of signing.

Adebayor is in no way a world class striker! I think he's awfully overrated.

I'd rather see Borriello be given a real chance. Don't think the As reports about Kanoute are really that reliable - at least I hope they're not because I don't think he (or Adebayor who'd be way too expensive) is a good choice.