Whether or not Mourinho flops at Inert is irrelevant. My point is that they're two different coaches who coached two totally different squads in two different leagues (with Mourinho then having the advantage of Abramovich's bloated bankbook), so it's pretty much a case of apples and oranges.

They do have one thing in common, though: their European futility.

Hey comon now. He's also won a champions league, something mancini has yet to do. That game hasn't been decided yet. If mourinho goes through, i'll have a laugh on your behalf.

Question... Do you consider wenger a more successful coach than mourinho?

Mourinho won a CL with Porto yes.
And do you really think Inter will go to Old Trafford and win? You saw how shaky they were at home, how on earth will they do away?

As for the Wenger vs Mourinho, then Mourinho may have a more impressive trophy list but I doubt he could have revolutionised not just a club but an entire league the way Wenger has done.
Not to mention I find Wenger, tiresome, arrogant and often annoying as he is to be a much more likable, funny and interesting guy than Mourinho.

Yes but what do we look for from a coach. Success? I think in football success means being the very best club on earth or at least try to achieve that. You achieve that by winning trophies.

Mourinho has done that and never played pro football; furthermore he did it with a team like porto. That is why i respect him so much.

Like i said if he does win, i'm gonna say I told you so

As much as I've got tired of Wenger lately I too think he's done an amazing job at Arsenal. Not at winning trophies only, he's changed the whole image of the club!

As for inter... I think they certainly have a chance at Old Trafford. They do not need to win as you said, they do not even need to score. And if they do... United will have to score one more... they're surely not out yet!

yup i agree even about the part involving the voyeur

I've said it before an I'll say it again: Rightly are the simple so called.

Do you watch special 1tv? Its so funny hahaha.

So, seeing as this is the summer transfer thread, which player(s) would you like to see come in during the summer transfer window?

Probably unrealistic, but I wouldn't mind us scooping up Rene Adler, as we need a long-term GK. Sadly, Didas do not last forever.

seeing as sheva really doesn't seem capable of making a solid contribution, and pippo really isn't getting better, and borriello is never healthy, and that blackburn rovers are in the drop zone..LETS please snap up roque santa cruz on the cheap. he is DAMN clinical.

besides that, i would like another capable starting defender. someone like canini, santacroce seems a pipe dream but he's on the list too, agger would fit the bill too, but i would like to go italian as far as that goes.

im going to be as bold as to say i want ronaldinho gone too. He's not really earning his high wages and poses a problem for selection, cuz we're compelled to play him just because of his name. Bring back Abate. He'll accept the bench considering the class starting XI and he'd be motivated to prove his worth.

Phase Seedorf and Ambrosini out..bring back yoann gourcuff and PLAY FLAMINI. the guy is 25, in his prime, and BETTER than Ambro - comprable work rate, BETTER passer, BETTER shooter, BETTER ball control.

would be nice, but prlly wont happen: snap up Cigarini.


Attack: Pato, Santa Cruz, Borriello, Pippo/Sheva

Mids: Kaka, Gourcuff, Pirlo, Flattuso, Gattuso, Seedorf, Ambro, Abate (last resort DM), Cigarini (Pirlo heir)

Def: Thiago, Agger/Santa/Canini, Bonera, Kaladze, Zambro, Antonini, Janku, Darmian, Favalli, (nesta??)

GK: Abiatti, Whoever.

it's time for change. out with the old (experience) and stale. in with the young, hungry, and motivated.

Everyone here knows what my position on the team has been for the last year and a half. I also know that there are quite a few board members here who I respect, and so i refrained from beating the dead horse, Zeddie and Acid have done the job of voicing my opinion for me. If this isn't a hint that there needs to be a new milan generation, i don't know what is.

with that said, this may surprise some. lets keep carlo, and see what he does with youthful players. he'll have NO excuses.

I'm all for it. He's one of my most favorite players!

Hm. He's pretty enough for Milan....honestly hadn't considered him.

I'm still thinking about who I'd prefer in defense. Chiellini would be great but that's in no way realistic. The club definitely needs quality defenders, though.

Agree with vnata about Ronaldinho out and Abate in. Abate has done very well indeed with Toro and has really blossomed as a player.

I think perhaps Young Alberto should stay on loan one more year at Parma for seasoning. Perhaps an extension of the loan (and NOT a sale; I do want to see Paloschi back at the club) could involve the acquisition of Cigarini, who I rather like.

While I'd certainly not complain about Adler coming to Milan, an even more long term solution would be the kid from Samp, Fiorillo.

Who? Educate me, Teach.

Vincenzo Fiorillo is a 19 year old keeper. He's from Genoa and plays alternately for the Samp Primavera and their first team. He was keeper for the U19s during the Euro U19 championship last summer and was named best keeper of the tournament. Mediaset calls him 'the number 1 of the future'. He's a tall kid too - well over 6 feet.

yup but if we make a move for him now, it'll cause a huge top club race.


For me a change of coach is first and foremost.

Second I agree with the sale of ronaldinho. Barca were correct to sell him. He's past his best.

Third, we need to free up some of our wage bill by either signing new contracts or selling players. Some people just simply earn way too much and do absolutely nothing.

I like vnata's list. Though I think we need one top class CB. I don't trust young Italian CBs after the Barzagli fiasco.

I'd also put in one of Gonzales, Moutinho, Veloso.

Oh..and Zigic owns Santa Cruz.

I need to find me a Zigic sig...

I don't think Ronaldinho is past his best. I also think signing new contracts would be more trouble than it's worth.

@Bluey:

You can't tear up a contract at will. Either both parties agree to rescind, or you pay the remainder of the existing contract before making a new one.

The former option usually happens in football only if we're talking higher wages.

exactly. Like kaladze for example or emerson. You either agree a lower fee or you leave simple as that.

It's just that all these Wenger jokes are ALL 4 years old or something. There's nobody I know who can't do it, and they're all the same. Thing's like "Today Eboue slaughtered and cooked Stoke's "-insert boring name here-" and proceeded to eat him and scatter his bones all over Arsenal's technical zone.
Arsene Wenger is with us here LIVE, Arsene, what's your response to Eboue's recent act of cannibalism?"
"Cannabilism? I didn't zee any "cannabilism".

I can play this game too, you see, and that rather reinforces my main point: These are jokes that stupid people laugh at. Just like all these Bush jokes that have been going around for 6-7 years. The guy is a twit, now GET ON WITH IT.

Man i'm so depressed, that I'm just going to say you win locke. I dont even want to argue anymore.


Sigh....

Didn't mean to tire you out, but I guess your depression has got more to do with the Doria game than my nagging...

yeah.... i'm at the point where i just see no point. This team is unbearable to watch. We might be playing uefa cup next season again sigh....

C'mmon you'r spoiled! I mean..unbearable to watch? Then you didn't see 90% of european league matches...

The game against sampdoria was unbearable to watch. Playing in uefa cup again...sigh.... 90% of european league matches? what do you mean?

Nah, never mind. We won't play UEFA Cup, and that's a FACT!

we don't give a Sh!t about the other 90% of European matches. we're fans of milan...and that was unbearable.

I hope your right.

Let the fact's speak...

In a desperate effort to return to the base of this thread, i think we need to pursue Agger or Motta for the Other starting CB opposite Thiaguinho.

Also i would enter the Diego bid with Juve as they will most likely go for Cassana. (Main signing)

I would also enjoy a run for Zapata of Udinese who can compete to earn a chance at Left back and dramatically add to the defensive responsibilities of the position.

For striker i have the up-most faith in Boriello proving to be a god signing but to add insurance i Would go for Demba Ba of hoffenhiem for very little (only other team interested in soon to be demoted Blackburn). He is 6'3", very good aerially, he has scored 11 times in 22 games in brundeslaga and has a very high character: he scored a hat-trick in a 3-3 draw and deviated any praise his way to his coach & team. Unknown but would be nice:).

My last signing would be Vincenzo Fiorillo of Samp who has boatloads of potential : quick, soft hands, hard punch, gets low fast for a big guy, good character, fierce competitor, and a good prospect for nets down the road.

Loans
Send senderos Back if we get motta/agger
keep mattioni
sell Oddo
Try and keep Gourcuff
Send Beckham back to US

Now that we have stated the Purchases let's go to the sales.
Sheva to dynamo
Emerson to Portmouth
Kaladze to anywhere
Dida to Tottenhem
Sell ambrosini but not before asking him to retire
Sell Jankuloski (please feel free to blast me)
Ok for this one i can feel alot of hate coming my way, and it hurts because i love either of these players but one of Rino/pirlo has to go. I would have to say pirlo has the slight advantage in staying because when healthy, he can dominate and pick apart defenses, whereas we have a younger rino in Flamini that can be great for milan with a full year under his belt. so i guess rino should be sold.
If the offer is there for R80 (look for Man City with robinho leaving) i think he should be sold to allow my fantasy transfer market to happen, however, since it won't, he may stay...i guess

This is obviously very active for a summer transfer market but as the proverb goes " if it isn't broken don't fix it"...well we are REALLY broken and need fixing

4-1-3-2
(variation of the 4-4-2)

..........................................................Abbiati/kalac/fiorillo
Zambrotta/felipe/Darmian......Thiago silva/bonera/fava-montana........Agger(or)motta/nesta........Zapata/antonini
..................................................................Flamini/Pirlo
..........................R80/Gourcuff.................................KaKa'/seedorf............................Diego/cardaccio/viudez
.....................................................Pato/inzhagol...........................Boriello/Ba

Very interesting, mtl (is it okay to call you mtl?)

The only serious objection I'd have to the above is selling Rino. I'd also think long and hard about selling Ambro.

I personally wouldn't want Diego - and I do watch the Bundesliga on a regular basis. he's quite good but there's...something I can't put my finger on...about his playing style that bugs me. Plus, well, he's got quite a temper. And we'd need to have a chauffeur for him unless he got his driver's license reinstated (it got pulled for a drunk driving offense).

Instead in midfield I'd make a bid for Cigarini.

Would definitely ship Ronaldinho out - Kurt will laugh at me for suggesting this but I wouldn't mind seeing Luka Modric. He's very good but his play just does not suit the English league.

And you also want to keep Kalac?? Get serious, man!

Asking Ambro to retire and then dumping him if he refuses doesn't make sense. I am in the same boat with 10e, though, of shipping Dinho out and getting Cigarini. That's about all I can contribute, because while Tennie is an encyclopedia on footballers, I am the equivalent of D!ck and Jane.

Who said kalac was going to play? Besides dida earns wayy too much for what he currently does.

My though with selling Ambro is the Concept of Dying time, The best time to spend, if you look at it like currency, is players in their primes(Kaka' for instance). Second, developping young superstars(pato). The last and leat valued is the over the ill guys that only get worst with every year(Ambro). He does give us an aerial pressence in midfield but outside of that i don't think his value is anything outside of being a milan devotee, which, don't get me wrong, shounl't go unnoticed!

The cigarini idea, i can only go with what you know as for me, i have only heard his name here and there, you having said that i will pay attention to his work now. I Appreciate the input, thanks!
I feel that this kid Mesto with Genoa can truly replace an aging yet skillful Seedorf. He adds all that our favorite dutchman does with a lot more youth and pace, he has moves with are very uncharacteristic of most italian players.

if you have a reluctance towards Diego, what would you think of benzema in that slot then?
i shamefully know nothing of this Modric you speak of :S

PS. i really don't mind being called that i love my cit and would only be honored to be refereed to it hehe

First of all Miss, i feel that i need to tell you this i am a HUGE dida fan!!!! (and you can read my previous posts and that will be clear for you to see

i don't think we can disagree that Abbiatti has been one of, if not THE most consistent force behind milan this year.
With that being said, you never really want to carry 3+ keepers if they are all 30+, usually you would want a proven backup and a prospect. The only reason i am selling dida to portsmouth is that he has interested buyers, and i do recognize this as being heartless but i truly am despaired and discouraged by the current team and would seek to do anything at the moment to better this great team. If milan can be defined as anything it's a team that loves and cherishes it's players (maybe too much :S) and i think the only reason fans have the right to want an overhaul is because no preparation was being coordinated between galliani & Carlo to transition out of our CL teams. And please believe me when i say this, Dida is not happy sitting on the bench, granted he is to profession, good-hearted to not make a fuss about it but he wants to play again, or else he wold have retired. I wont lie to you i dont care much for kalac but he is a solid backup. I assure you i AM serious when trying to, drastically maybe, pawn off parts of the team that still have value. Dida has value to all teams. Kalac has value to us only...hence selling dida. As i chose not to re-explain my "value time" ideology(in the reply to tennie), Ambro knows he isn't the feisty ball-winning mid he once was and i would not have a problem with keeping the man, i just feel that with all the untapped talent at midfield we have he should not be starting..

With all do respect, it took a while of thinking before i wrote that lol so i took into the "are you serious" part. i rarely write more then 2 sentences in a post hehe, and when i do, i am serious, though in this case i will grant you my despair may draw out more drastic ideas from me.
wow i typed another brick lol i should stop doing these hehe

i'm suprised no one really reacted to the whole "me selling janku" thing...
i was sure i was going to hear it for that one lol

I thought it was Tottenham?

From goal.com But i think this sums up many people's frustration in the league. Champions league is a different story. If he hadn't been so successful in the CL, carlo would have peaced out a long time ago.


Anyways for what its worth, i agree with that poster.

New coach, new players, new owner. We need to change milan all the way from the roots.

As long as we get money, any team will do

Wtv it was an old post on goal.com that one of those mid-ranged EPL teams had interest in him, i appreciate you finding the factual flaw in my post lol

this smells like a job for the Obaminator

Mediaset's running a detailed article on transfers at Milan. Here's what they suggest should happen:

DEFENSE
OUT: Maldini, Senderos, Favalli, Kaladze (maybe)
STAYING: Thiago Silva, Nesta (?), Zambrotta, Jankulovski, Bonera, Antonini
NEW: Agger (8 mln), Clichy (10 mln)
(for keepers, Abbiati stays and maybe a club to be found for Dida)

MIDFIELD
OUT: Ambro (maybe; contract renewal talks are going on and no agreement yet), Seedorf
STAYING: Pirlo, Gattuso, Flamini, Beckham (if loan goes through), Gourcuff
NEW: Montolivo (15 mln), Palombo(?)

ATTACK
OUT: Shevchenko, Ronaldinho (if a good offer comes along), Pippo (maybe)
STAYING: Pato, Kaka, Borriello
NEW: Eto'o, Adebayor, or Drogba (one of them and all at 30 mln)

mtl, I wouldn't mind Benzema at all but I suspect he's going to Spain. Mesto...interesting idea. Hadn't thought of him.

And if you get a chance to watch the Croatian NT, watch Modric (wears the #14 jersey) there.

(Poissonpoupee te donne un autre gateau).

EDIT: And a couple of snippets on Tuttomercatoweb.

* Milan are interested in Rijkaard (according to a report in the Catalan sports daily)
* Milan are interested in Bojan (same source as the Rijkaard rumor)

hmmm maybe i wrong but that sounds more likea milan off-season then mine...damn big names!!!

will do

merci bien Dizaine

Unbearable to watch When you're in Germany one day call me and I take you too a game of Preußen Münster. If yesterdays game was unbearable for you I'm sure you'll commit suicide after that one

Ambro's contract will run out this summer?



I personally would love to see at least one Spanish players at Milan, but Bojan [no matter how talented] is not really what we need. Barca won't sell him anyway. I wonder what makes them think we're interested in him.

eh, it's barca's mouthpiece paper. maybe it's a pr thing trying to make him look more important? The bojan rumor surprises me a little. The rijkaard one has been making the rounds for the last few days.

we dont need bojan kind player if we really are intested in someone like him i will go for G.rossi and hope for borrilleo to be fit net season otherwise we will need a box stiker

tutto is dreaming. Eto, adebayor or drogba. Drogba will probably be going to inter if he leaves. Wenger won't sell us anybody cheaply after the flamini incident and we wont pay 40 for adebayor. Eto, hes siging a new contract with barca. Benzema will go spain.


Only realistic foreward we can sign next season would be an italian one. G rossi, toni, cassano. I don't think we can afford any other foreign WC forewards.

I'll take chances and make my own IN and OUT story.

Ambro and Gattuso are our future captains. It would be mostly unwise to sell both and in addition part with Maldini. Who would then take over? Kaladze? Abbiati? Are they captain material?

Gattuso won't be sold anyway, after we rejected a good offer from Bayern, don't think he'll be on any wishlist soon.

OUT: Kaladze, Dida (if a good team wants him and he want's 1st team football), Senderos, Ronaldinho
IN: Panucci, Drogba, Giuseppe Rossi, Canini; big moves could be either Eto'o or Fabregas, maybe even Mancini (?)

In addition...I have one not so bright confession. Does Andrea Pirlo's story really started looking (on pitch) like Demetrio Albertini's?

Yeah, Fillipo, it does. Which is why I'm suggesting Cigarini.