Rossoneri7
Apr 6 2009, 02:02 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 5 2009, 05:19 PM)

I don't agree with the logic implemented. I strongly dislike paroles like "youth must play", "we have to get rid of XY to be able to play the young YX". It's the same phrase used in politics: "give the youth a chance".
It depends on how good these players are. I think Milan's technical, professional and managerial structure is the closest factor to a objective and sure judgment. What can we say? Can I say Albertazzi good? Yes, sure. But I'm not an' insider, so, my opinion is of little importance.
Beckham should go away in order to make place for talented players in midfield who can play for Milan at highest level. Are there any? Only IMO, Gourcuff, and he's also a big question mark. So, unless we sign/ensure another midfielder-talent, I'm not sure we should give up on Beck's.
There must be reinforcements for the squad ... But not overhauling and replacing the experienced with the inexperienced. Do that, and expect and Arsenal type season
whoarethepatriots
Apr 6 2009, 03:16 PM
Marca reckon Kaka is joining up with Perez at Real, but considering its Marca we should pay zero attention to it
gal_kenny
Apr 6 2009, 03:27 PM
CARIMATE: ANDRIY SHEVCHENKO'S DECLARATIONS
4/6/2009
MILAN - Even Sheva spoke today at the Milan Golf Tour 2009: "I'm going through a good moment, first my goal at Wembley and then the assist during last night's game at San Siro, I'm happy about it. I want to continue on this path and give my best until the end of the season. The fans? I would like to be more on the pitch and if they like that then it pleases me. My hope is to remain at Milan also next season, but in this sense no decision has been taken as of yet
acmilan.com
I doubt he'll still stay.He's on loan and he'll be going back..Peace out Sheva, welcome Dzeko!!
gal_kenny
Apr 6 2009, 03:27 PM
Kaka isn't going anywhere
acid911
Apr 6 2009, 03:33 PM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 6 2009, 07:27 PM)

Kaka isn't going anywhere
At least not in the near future.

Fingers crossed!
CrazyMilanFan
Apr 6 2009, 03:56 PM
QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 6 2009, 03:33 PM)

At least not in the near future.

Fingers crossed!
yea not till june this season after that anything can happen and TBH i see him leaving
Bluesummers
Apr 6 2009, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Apr 6 2009, 08:56 AM)

yea not till june this season after that anything can happen and TBH i see him leaving
I doubt we'll lose him this summer. Looking at our current condition and placement, I think at this point it would be suicide if Galliani were to sell him. people are not happy with the team right now and selling kaka would cause a ripple effect that I"m sure nobody wants. It would seem illogical to sell our best player for just cash at this point in time.
We might sell him next summer though after the WC if he really wants to go.
whoarethepatriots
Apr 6 2009, 07:10 PM
Goal.com (i know i know, let me finish) are quoting mediaset (havent checkout their original article) saying Galliani said
QUOTE
"[Luca] Antonini, [Alberto] Paloschi, [Davide] Di Gennaro and [Ignazio] Abate have a lot of probability of coming back to Milan next season. [Michelangelo] Albertazzi will reach the first team."
Antonini is already at the club though, unless someone at goal has screwed up (very likely) and they are talking about
Antonelli who is currently co-owned with the Crociati
Even if this is only partially correct, its encouraging to hear that we may be relying on our youth players more
Tennie
Apr 6 2009, 07:14 PM
Check back a couple of pages, whoarethepatriots. Goal.com's translation is (unsurprisingly) garbled. Galliani did indeed say that Abate, Paloschi, and Di Gennaro have a good possibility of returning and that Albertazzi is going to be playing with the grownups next year.
il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 6 2009, 07:25 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 4 2009, 06:17 PM)

Albertazzi is also 17 years old.

And skinny as a stick. He will need to bulk up some. But he's definitely got the talent.
Kurt and I may be the only two who rate Ambro but, well, I don't want to see him permanently benched. Would at this point prefer him to start over Flamini, though Flamini has finally adjusted to Serie A and is doing rather well.
Ambro should keep the bench warm
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Apr 4 2009, 07:31 PM)

I am shocked!
I was defending Ambro long before it was cool to do so
if by cool you mean wearing socks with sandals then yes!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 5 2009, 10:19 AM)

I don't agree with the logic implemented. I strongly dislike paroles like "youth must play", "we have to get rid of XY to be able to play the young YX". It's the same phrase used in politics: "give the youth a chance".
It depends on how good these players are. I think Milan's technical, professional and managerial structure is the closest factor to a objective and sure judgment. What can we say? Can I say Albertazzi good? Yes, sure. But I'm not an' insider, so, my opinion is of little importance.
Beckham should go away in order to make place for talented players in midfield who can play for Milan at highest level. Are there any? Only IMO, Gourcuff, and he's also a big question mark. So, unless we sign/ensure another midfielder-talent, I'm not sure we should give up on Beck's.
+1 Though as we have seen with Pato, an injextion of Youth into the squad can make a big tempo-changing difference
Jack Sparrow
Apr 7 2009, 05:52 AM
Pato is not the same type of youth as say a Paloschi or someone else. Pato's already got the skills and the moves. He just needed to get used to the team and maybe improve his finishing/decision making. That's a different kind of learning.
MizNelson
Apr 7 2009, 06:33 AM
I don't think Kaka's going anywhere this summer (Marca...pfft), but he has been decidedly more antsy this season, to the point where he's publicly criticizing Milan Lab. Not really the image expected from our perfect Golden Boy, though he can hardly be blamed for the latter.
I do think a move to other shores is inevitable, though, unless this team gets its head out of its collective nether regions and starts winning again.
CrazyMilanFan
Apr 7 2009, 11:54 AM
so njow according to marca it is done and dusted kaka will get shirt number 5 at real next season
Jack Sparrow
Apr 7 2009, 01:59 PM

Yup...with the usual photoshop and everything. Galliani has already come out and said Ricky isn't for sale, now that the matter of getting a pay hike has been resolved.
RinoIlCapitano
Apr 8 2009, 12:38 AM
Have you anti-adebayor fans watched the match tonight? Yep he is totally overrated, NOOTTT! He is fantastic, i can't imagine anything better than Adebayor playing a target player in front of Kaka and Pato, That will be fantastic, simply amazing!! He is the best transfer target for Milan attack this year for sure, he is young and tactically amazing, he is my number one wish for the summer! Sure for the offensive part of the team

!
Bluesummers
Apr 8 2009, 02:51 AM
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ Apr 7 2009, 05:38 PM)

Have you anti-adebayor fans watched the match tonight? Yep he is totally overrated, NOOTTT! He is fantastic, i can't imagine anything better than Adebayor playing a target player in front of Kaka and Pato, That will be fantastic, simply amazing!! He is the best transfer target for Milan attack this year for sure, he is young and tactically amazing, he is my number one wish for the summer! Sure for the offensive part of the team

!
I know. But some people just think borriello is too good and much better than ade so we don't need another striker to compliment pato.
MizNelson
Apr 8 2009, 05:01 AM
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ Apr 7 2009, 04:38 PM)

Have you anti-adebayor fans watched the match tonight? Yep he is totally overrated, NOOTTT! He is fantastic, i can't imagine anything better than Adebayor playing a target player in front of Kaka and Pato
No, thanks. We'll stick with Pegleg Borriello instead.
QUOTE (CMF)
so njow according to marca it is done and dusted kaka will get shirt number 5 at real next season
That's right, and I'm also going to be the new waterboy.
Darunia
Apr 8 2009, 07:46 AM
Why would we sell Kaka for 60m euros when we could have sold him for 100m to Man City? Doesn't make sense.
Zed.D
Apr 8 2009, 08:01 AM
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ Apr 8 2009, 04:08 AM)

Have you anti-adebayor fans watched the match tonight? Yep he is totally overrated, NOOTTT! He is fantastic, i can't imagine anything better than Adebayor playing a target player in front of Kaka and Pato, That will be fantastic, simply amazing!! He is the best transfer target for Milan attack this year for sure, he is young and tactically amazing, he is my number one wish for the summer! Sure for the offensive part of the team

!
I don't think Adebayor is a world-beater striker at all, but I'd definitely welcome him here.
CrazyMilanFan
Apr 8 2009, 09:29 AM
QUOTE (Darunia @ Apr 8 2009, 07:46 AM)

Why would we sell Kaka for 60m euros when we could have sold him for 100m to Man City? Doesn't make sense.
bcoz kaka didnt watn city
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ Apr 8 2009, 02:38 AM)

Have you anti-adebayor fans watched the match tonight? Yep he is totally overrated, NOOTTT! He is fantastic, i can't imagine anything better than Adebayor playing a target player in front of Kaka and Pato, That will be fantastic, simply amazing!! He is the best transfer target for Milan attack this year for sure, he is young and tactically amazing, he is my number one wish for the summer! Sure for the offensive part of the team

!
He was bad in the whole game... and he's not the first mediocre player to score that way...
Anyway in my opinion Adebayor is nowhere near world class and he would only join us for a higher-than-world-class-price, so definitely not worth it in my view. If he was to come for a reasonable sum then yeah but it's not going to happen.
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Apr 8 2009, 11:29 AM)

bcoz kaka didnt watn city
It's as simple as that really.
Tennie
Apr 8 2009, 10:39 AM
QUOTE (Darunia @ Apr 8 2009, 02:46 AM)

Why would we sell Kaka for 60m euros when we could have sold him for 100m to Man City? Doesn't make sense.
It's
Marca. They're not necessarily supposed to make sense.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 8 2009, 03:01 AM)

I don't think Adebayor is a world-beater striker at all, but I'd definitely welcome him here.
I wouldn't, given how much Arsenal would demand for him.
---
In today's transfer gossip, Kaka is quoted in the Daily Star (an English tabloid of dubious reliability) as saying he likes the Premier League and that the guys he knows who play there speak well of it. He also says that the EPL could be his choice of leagues if he should leave Milan, according to the article.
Gazzetta says that Milan's leadership met with Cagliari Coach Massimo Allegri in March and hypothesize about him being Milan's next coach if Ancelotti leaves.
Zed.D
Apr 8 2009, 10:49 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 8 2009, 01:09 PM)

I wouldn't, given how much Arsenal would demand for him.
Well, I wasn't thinking about the price... just talking football-wise, I think Adebayor could help us a lot.
QUOTE
Gazzetta says that Milan's leadership met with Cagliari Coach Massimo Allegri in March and hypothesize about him being Milan's next coach if Ancelotti leaves.
In that case I hope Carlo stays for many more years!! I certainly don't want to see a one-season wonder, small team coach replacing Carlo.
Tennie
Apr 8 2009, 05:02 PM
hm. Well, neither Sacchi nor Capello had distinguished coaching careers before they came to Milan.
There may be something to the Allegri rumors -- there are interviews by Cesare Maldini (Il Capitano's father) and Chicco Evani (Primavera coach) in today's press, both saying that an Allegri move is possible. Then on acmilan.com's italian page, there's a curt statement in the ticker where Galliani denies any negotiations with other coaches. so.....
Bluesummers
Apr 8 2009, 07:00 PM
Regarding Kaka, I dont look at marca or As as serious. I mean when they photoshop images and give him No 5, how serious can you take them

.
I don't think he'll move in the summer and Galliani has come out rather quickly on multiple occasions to squash the rumors. He won't move, not yet anyways. If we still are not fighting for anything next year then its expected. We are a great club but there is a line and if we cross it we'll lose our great players like kaka. If kaka leaves expect Pato to be next on the train as well.
Tennie
Apr 8 2009, 07:06 PM
Blue, could you please reduce the size of your signature? Thanks.
Bluesummers
Apr 8 2009, 07:14 PM
QUOTE
Galliani: Kaka moving? Please, don't make me laugh.
Recently, Milan's Brazilian maestro Kaka has been linked with a move to Real Madrid, reportedly dependent on Florentino Perez regaining his role as president. However, vice-president Adriano Galliani has once again moved to quell any suggestions that their star player will be leaving.
"Every morning I read about it, maybe it's even a bit funny, but the reality is something else entirely. The reality is that there is no negotiation for the sale of Ricardo Kaka," he clarified to Sky.
Galliani went on to dispel the rumours that Cagliari coach Massimiliano Allegri could be in charge of the squad next season.
"Milan has never contacted any coach since the establishment of Carlo Ancelotti, who has a contract with the club until June 30, 2010."
Several coaches have been linked with the Rossoneri hotseat after a disappointing campaign that saw Milan bounced from the UEFA Cup by Werder Bremen and fall out of the Scudetto race by mid-season.
Like I said.
Bluesummers
Apr 8 2009, 07:21 PM
QUOTE
Official: Cagliari Coach Allegri Renews Contract Until 2011
Cagliari's official website has revealed that coach Massimiliano Allegri has extended his stay with the Sardinian club, signing on until 2011.
"This week, a two-year agreement was formalised with the coach as part of careful planning for the future of our team," read the statement.
Interestingly, the latter part refers to recent reports that the coach had been approached as a possible replacement for Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti.
"Cagliari Calcio is flattered and proud by the attention given to our coach by a large club, but confirms that Allegri will remain on the Rossoblu bench until 2011."
After losing their opening five matches of the season, the island side opted to stick with Allegri and the move paid huge dividends, as the minnows now sit in seventh place in the Serie A standings.
Just rumors. Dont worry the great ancelotti won't be leaving milan any time soon.
Bluesummers
Apr 8 2009, 07:24 PM
QUOTE
Mexes and Adebayor make milan list. The Rossoneri are ready to invest around €60 million to bring the duo to the Stadio San Siro.
Turin-based newspaper Tuttosport today suggests that the mooted departure of Brazilian star Kaka for Spanish powerhouse Real Madrid could have a silver lining for Milan; the Rossoneri would recoup the required funds to sign Roma central defender Philippe Mexes and Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor.
According to the Spanish media, Real Madrid presidential candidate Florentino Perez is prepared to put €60 million on the Rossoneri’s table to prise Kaka away from San Siro. The Via Turati directors would immediately reinvest the money on two players that have long been on the club’s radar.
Mexes is tied to the Giallorossi until June 2011 and is valued at around €16m. With Paolo Maldini set to retire and Alessandro Nesta still hindered by injury problems, the Frenchman is seen as the ideal man to bolster the rearguard and would form a defensive partnership with Brazilian man Thiago Silva, who joined the club last January.
As for Arsenal ace Adebayor, he was already linked with a move to Milan last summer but the Rossoneri eventually plumped for Ronaldinho.
Milan are reportedly keen to offer the Togolese international a bigger wage packet, however, the Gunners are expected to hold out for at least €28m.
Won't happen. Galliani said already mexes is impossible. Also as much as I think adebayor would be a great addition to our squad, he is not worth 28 million. We can add another 2 million and get the world's best striker for that amount.
Bluesummers
Apr 8 2009, 07:25 PM
QUOTE
Barcelona President Joan Laporta Advises Kaka To Stay At Milan
After turning down a lucrative offer from Manchester City in January, there are widespread suggestions that Milan star Kaka will leave the club at the end of the season and relocate with Real Madrid.
But Barcelona president Joan Laporta thinks that would not be a wise move for Kaka and explained his reasoning in an interview with La Gazzetta dello Sport.
“I would be happier if Kaka stayed at Milan,” he asserted. “He is a world-class player and I would tell him not to leave the Rossoneri, who are a great club.”
There are reports that Milan and coach Carlo Ancelotti could go their separate ways next summer. Former Barcelona boss Frank Rijkaard is among the favourites to take over the reins at the San Siro.
“Frank is one of the best coaches in the world,” noted Laporta. “He would do great things at any club, even more so at Milan, where he played.
“My decision to sever our ties with him was the hardest I ever made during my tenure and I almost cried when we said our goodbyes.”
Thanks Laporta. But we all know you just don't want him in Madrid because he will rip you a new one on el classico derbys.
Tennie
Apr 8 2009, 07:38 PM
Yawn. Goal.com.
Zed.D
Apr 8 2009, 07:50 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 8 2009, 07:32 PM)

hm. Well, neither Sacchi nor Capello had distinguished coaching careers before they came to Milan.
True, but football has changed a lot in the past two decades
Tennie
Apr 8 2009, 07:56 PM
Don't think it's necessarily changed that much, zeddie.
I think the Allegri rumor is interesting, whether it's true or not. Part of me half thinks it is, with comments about it from Cesare Maldini and Chicco Evani. This doesn't necessarily mean I want Allegri as Milan coach or think it will happen (nor does it mean I do or do not want Ancelotti out; truth be told, I'm neutral on the coaching thing); it just means that it's an interesting little puzzle.
chrismcb
Apr 8 2009, 08:56 PM
On the bit about Milan wanting Adebayor and Mexes surely Milan would want more than 60 million euros for Kaka?!?
I'd love Adebayor and think we should reinvest in cheaper young Italian defenders and a world class midfielder if Kaka leaves. I would hope Fabregas, but a hope is all it is.
Tennie
Apr 8 2009, 09:03 PM
chris, the bits about adebayor and the 60 mln come from unreliable sources so really...not worth believing or commenting much about.

Fabregas would be an interesting choice.
MizNelson
Apr 8 2009, 10:09 PM
The Daily Star is horse manure, but why would Kaka want to play in England? In Spain, defense is an afterthought and he won't get chopped down like a tree every thirty seconds.
Transition from Serie A to the EPL is career-suicide. I don't think any player who's played in Serie A for years and has gotten used to the play there can make that jump successfully. It's a different world. I think Kaka would be devastating in Spain, even more than he has been in Italy.
Habitant
Apr 8 2009, 10:48 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 8 2009, 06:24 PM)

Won't happen. Galliani said already mexes is impossible. Also as much as I think adebayor would be a great addition to our squad, he is not worth 28 million. We can add another 2 million and get the world's best striker for that amount.
according to him everything is impossible, well anythign that he is incapable of doing
RinoIlCapitano
Apr 9 2009, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 8 2009, 10:39 AM)

He was bad in the whole game... and he's not the first mediocre player to score that way...
Anyway in my opinion Adebayor is nowhere near world class and he would only join us for a higher-than-world-class-price, so definitely not worth it in my view. If he was to come for a reasonable sum then yeah but it's not going to happen.
He played bad? so, you haven't watch the game?
gal_kenny
Apr 9 2009, 01:08 AM
Guys there's an interview from Sportmediaset for Pato..pretty good..He said his future goals is to win everything and help Milan becoming what it was before (The best team in the world)....He also said that he'll welcome Keirrison with open arms....However, he confessed that the toughest defender he's played against is Santacroce...and that Santacroce has impressed him a lot...
We should buy Santacroce, i've said it before and i'm saying it again...Santacroce and Thiago Silva will do wonders...
http://www.sportmediaset.it/calcio/articol...colo22276.shtml
Bluesummers
Apr 9 2009, 01:11 AM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 8 2009, 06:08 PM)

Guys there's an interview from Sportmediaset for Pato..pretty good..He said his future goals is to win everything and help Milan becoming what it was before (The best team in the world)....He also said that he'll welcome Keirrison with open arms....However, he confessed that the toughest defender he's played against is Santacroce...and that Santacroce has impressed him a lot...
We should buy Santacroce, i've said it before and i'm saying it again...Santacroce and Thiago Silva will do wonders...
http://www.sportmediaset.it/calcio/articol...colo22276.shtmlGalliani: pfftt Santacroce??? No thanks! I would rather go for experience in our defence than invest in youth that have the potential to become worldclass players. The best player right now for us is panucci
Bluesummers
Apr 9 2009, 01:12 AM
QUOTE (Habitant @ Apr 8 2009, 03:48 PM)

according to him everything is impossible, well anythign that he is incapable of doing

Yeah pretty much. LOL
Tennie
Apr 9 2009, 01:15 AM
Good catch, kenny. Thanks for posting.
gal_kenny
Apr 9 2009, 01:27 AM
Anytime Tennie..Anything for Milanfans!!! I mean if one of the best or if not close to the best striker in Serie A and soon to be the best player in the world, Pato says that Santacroce is tough, that shows that he's really good and that we should get him!!! I hope we can get him..
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ Apr 9 2009, 02:31 AM)

He played bad? so, you haven't watch the game?
I did watch the game. Well bad was an exaggeration but as usual he did very little to claim the price tag he carries and which we'd have to meet to get. Do your really think he's worth 25+m?
Bluesummers
Apr 9 2009, 03:01 AM
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 8 2009, 07:42 PM)

I did watch the game. Well bad was an exaggeration but as usual he did very little to claim the price tag he carries and which we'd have to meet to get. Do your really think he's worth 25+m?
no
Fillipo Simone
Apr 9 2009, 08:22 AM
Talkin' about Allegri...they don't think that option seriously, do they? It would be a move like...I don't know, even worse then Zaccheroni. Like Italy appointing Donadoni, because he once was a "name" and also was "not bad" at Livorno.
About Adebayor, I think he's a classic big forward in the Kanu style, nothing special but also not as bad as described here. He's mediocre and it would be a sad story if Milan all the sudden splash money on him. Hope they'll move for Giuseppe Rossi or a Bundesliga striker, like Grafite or Gomez.
CrazyMilanFan
Apr 9 2009, 09:56 AM
kaka gave a nice inteview and again said abt milan for life in todays gazzeta
RinoIlCapitano
Apr 9 2009, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 9 2009, 01:42 AM)

I did watch the game. Well bad was an exaggeration but as usual he did very little to claim the price tag he carries and which we'd have to meet to get. Do your really think he's worth 25+m?
yes, remember him from last year, he is tactically really good and he can put down any ball with wich pirlo hit him and he will put them down to Kaka and Pato. We will get a fantastic striker and we will get pirlo back, and we will use 100% of kaka and pato which will score a lot more. Yes i think he is worth 30M!
Bluesummers
Apr 9 2009, 11:12 AM
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ Apr 9 2009, 04:06 AM)

yes, remember him from last year, he is tactically really good and he can put down any ball with wich pirlo hit him and he will put them down to Kaka and Pato. We will get a fantastic striker and we will get pirlo back, and we will use 100% of kaka and pato which will score a lot more. Yes i think he is worth 30M!
Hes a worldclass striker but 30 is pushing it. For that we could get Eto who is the world's best striker.
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