...More Kaka news (same old same old)

By the way, for all the non-Goal lovers, this article is brought to you by none other
[although I'm sure if you feel the need to dig to find the original source, its out there somewhere, after all, its nothing new to us]



If its actually true would be yet to be seen, anyway here is the link...
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/...adrid-next-week

Why does it seem as if in recent years we've been going for players past their prime?
...Oh I know - because thats exactly how it has been

Anyway, below is one of the latest reports which I am sure we'll hear lots more of in the coming days/weeks

And although Luca wouldn't be my first choice striker, I would mucccchhhhh prefer him than Adebayor.
Coupled with a good price, and performaces which prove critics (of player's age being 'too old') wrong 'once again', I mighten mind this one that much at all.

By the way, this one is also sourced from Goal.com [so prepare yourseves]



Milan still after Toni?!

Luca Toni in Milan? ... I want to hopefully we'll stop buying these past-it champions once and for all

You mean because he would not want to leave England?

Yep.

It may be a lazy way to look at it, but what's the point? He has a family, he'd need to learn a new language, completely change his life, etc.

As for Toni, I wouldn't mind him, he'll score plenty of goals and doesn't exactly rely on pace so age isn't really a huge issue.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

Gourcuff to Bordeaux. Great just great..

Carlo must go.......I wish we could riot Carlo to leave

Next news: TONI AND PANUCCI TO AC MILAN! Very experienced and true champions.

we are fucking nuts to leave yoann, he will play one more season for bordeaux and then will leave for 30M and shine in barca or a club like that, we are simply nuts and uninteligent. At least now will kaka rest wit us for sure, but even that is not 100% sure with the board we have!

**** everything , another fucking lost season!

Now berlusca really need to prove yourself or to **** off from the board!!

Sorry for the language but i am so pissed off!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Problem is, it's not only about losing Gourcuff, but also about having to bear Seedorf for another couple of years!

Imagine Kaka signing for Real on Thursday as AS claims. I will probably hang myself.

Well I think that was expected. Does it mean Carlo will stay?

I just wish we use the money wisely.

We could use it to bring Toni, a nice idea isn't it?

Gourcuff to sign for Juve next summer.

Nobody could see this coming after the marvelous season he had? The overreaction here is quite puzzling.

Well that is just great. Until ancelotti leaves this will happen to all of our upcoming young talents. Imagine Viudez or Cardaccio or Mattioni have a great season at another club. I doubt they will return here with this jack*** as our coach.

Now that Gourcuff is gone the only right replacement that i see is Riccardo Montolivo....He's quite skilled, fast, good passer and scorer...plays similar to Gourcuff n Iniesta...we should definitely get him honestly...plus he defends and attacks too

bad to see gourcuff leave

Which 32 year old will we buy for £15 million i wonder

Gourcuff for 15 Mil - lol great we robbed ourselves! a55h0le5!

Leonardo to be announced as new offical coach on Monday according to Gazetta

I don't understand this Leonardo thing. We've been having one bad season after another and instead of trying to improve things they are making next season as our transission season by hiring a coach like Leonardo.

Imo next season will be another season wasted for Milan

I have my doubts too, but the most important thing for me personally is saying goodbye to Carlo and bringing a new coach.

Rijkaard remains the ideal choice, but I wouldn't mind a "MvB+Leonardo" tbh.

Thing is, I really think we need a coach-winner; someone who can actually bring in experience, a winner-mentality and a system that is proven. That's why I don't think MvB and Leonardo can bring us a step forward.

I don't like and never will like those "every change in direction is positive"; that's why I disliked the 2008 US elections; because it was irrelevant who the candidates were - a mentality of the general voters was already set - any new president who's name is not Bush will be better. That wasn't enough for America (maybe for a smaller country, but for the ww leader not). Same with Milan. Milan desereves more then just "any change = better position".

Some rumors/suggestions (mostly tuttomercato):

- Digao to Fulham
- Pirlo and Seedorf with Ancelotti to Chelsea
- Milan after Flamengo defender Juan
- Gargano (Napoli) considered by Milan
- Berlusconi calls for Ronaldo (CR)

No, any change is not better position, but at this point, any change = the beginning of a road that leads to a better position. I don't expect us to return to being a contender overnight. in fact I think we'll be lucky if it's going to be only one unstable season after bringing a new coach. but that's a worthy start and it will sooner or later lead to that "better position".

Two good signings if true.

Wasn't Cigarini a target for us?

Well with leo as our coach i'm guessing more brazillians than ever.


2 i think we should really go after is: Kerrison and Hernanes. They will come together for probably around 30 million but they are both great upcoming players and have the potential to be legends of the game.

Seedorf can be taken gladly, but Pirlo would never happen. Next to Kaka and Pato he's one of our prime assets. We'd never let him go as some sort of packaged deal to Chelsea

And I'm guessing the CR rumour comes from the fact that Berlu whispered something to him as he was passing him after collecting the loser medal

If we're going to consider anyone from Napoli it chould be Santacroce and Hamsik, those are the only 2 players that would really add something extra to our team.

And are we ever going to stop shopping around Digao. We should just keep him with the team, it's obvious that he's not going to improve from what he already is so why keep loaning him around? It would obviously make Kaka happy by having his brother on the team and it's not like we're paying him a multi million pound salary

Maybe because the guy wants to play? I don't know, but it could be also that he's the one who insists in such deals.


You see, here I must strongly disagree. Not every road leads to a better position. At least not in my vision. If you follow a logic like this: Europe in 1929 was a bad place; World War II was a change of course; Europe in 1955 was a better place then in 1929 -- meaning WWII was the beginning of a road that changed Europe and lead to a better position. Which is correct in terms of logic, but initally wrong and untrue.

To say it simple - your thesis (any change=the beggining...) only works if you think Milan reached the bottom, the lowest point. Because only then any change can mean the beggining of something better. If not (and I think any sane person can conclude Milan didn't reach bottom), this change can also lead us also to relegation, or Intertoto cup places or 13th or 11th spot, etc. etc.

Fillipo, no need to go through all that. you're taking this too seriously! football and war are not the same thing.

Let's agree to disagree. I think we've reached a dead end and it's not gonna work. you seem to think that the situation is too good to change anything and change is not needed until we've reached the lowest of lows possible. I don't think so. I think we're Milan and finishing around 4th and 5th place for three straight years is is a sign of something having come to an end.

Anyway, Carlo is most probably leaving. I've said I don't expect us to rise immediately next season. no. no one knows how much, but it'll take time and I for one am ready to go through those difficult transition periods. because at least I know people are trying to change something and fail. it's better than not trying to change anything and still fail.

Not true in fact. I also think a change could make us stronger, better; give us the courage and will to go further, deeper. Only problem is, I don't think any form of change is the right path to such a evolution.

We did reach bottom last week when Maldini was booed.

I think you agree that it's win or bust for anyone who replaces Carlo (if he leaves after all!). if Leonardo did it, good. if he failed, we'd bring another coach, perhaps a more experienced one. don't know about you but I'm OK with it.

It's not definite that Leonardo is the man after all. it's just the papers speculating.

When Milan appointed Fabio Capello as a manager in 1991, same doubts were present,
It was his first professional debut as a coach.

From 1991-1996 Milan won 4 Scudettos, 1 CL, Super Cup and was present in 3 CL finals

So we have an example in past, that unproven coach really worked for us

I think we should give Leonardo a chance

An unproven coach with a great squad can rarely do wrong. Take Sacchi, Capello and Ancelotti for example.
On other hand, a tired and constantly on pressure experienced and successful coach can screw it up very easily. Take Sacchi, Capello and Ancelotti for example.


Pirlo has been mediocre at best for the past two seasons thanks to Ancelotti's unchanged tactics. If a new coach was to come and refresh Pirlo's role I'd like him to stay but this deal does not sound too bad at all.

quote of the day, this is what i am tryng to say but here everyone seems like a anti berlusca fans not a real milan fans, everyone knows only to criticate the board moves, this player is nor right, this is not right, this coach is bad and so on and on and on.... You are the fans of milan, players comes and goes but the shirt stays for ever!!!!

Why is everybody raving over MvB?

He did mediocre with Holland, and extremely poor with Ajax. If he cant do something with Ajax then why does he deserve to be here?

He hasnt shown he is an accomplished tactician yet

Sacchi, Capello and Ancelotti are top of the top, they're extra class. They shouldn't be taken as examples because they're special.

I'd agree with Capello. But Ancelotti has not had enough good years as a coach to say he's top, considering the players he's had, money he's spent, etc. I think he's done a very mediocre job. Sacchi.. I don't know much about him, I'd say his Milan success was partially down to blowing everyone out of the water with the spending power we had then, I'd have to see what he did elsewhere to say if he's a top coach or not.

I don't think Carlo should be put in the same group as Sacchi OR Cappello. Carlo had already had a reputation coming in 2nd with Parma and twice again with Juve. I wouldn't classify that as an unknown, unexperianced coach. He was already known as an almost man, he came to Milan, and he really made a difference once Berlu got on his @ss about pulling the same cr@p he did at Juve (playing ugly, cowardly, defensive football) then we started to play well and won a lot in 2 years. But from the Istanbul final Carlo has again become the coach he once was at Juve and that is never going to work.

I'm pretty sure he'll bomb at Chelsea next season if he doesn't fix his attitude.

I think the main differences between Cappello and Carlo is that one is a winner and the other one is the almost man that only managed to win things once he had probably the best squad in Europe under his hands, once things got tough he couldn't jump the hurdle anymore


Agreed on the Carlo part. Regarding Sacchi, he had a great footballing mind, his ideas were very different from those of Cappello, he wanted to win in style, not at all costs. I don't think his success is down to our spending power. We had the Dutch trio while Napoli had their own great foreign and Italian players, same goes for Juve.

I'm eagerly looking forward to Carlo's next adventure to see if he's all that special after all, especially if it's going to be a team full of great players like Chelsea. because I've failed to see anything special about his football in the past two seasons. I believe he can do OK with a great squad, but that doesn't make him special. plus, he didn't seem to demand the right players so he's only got himself to blame if he's losing his job against his will.

Come on! Is it a coincidence that all these three had a great team in their hands!? Out of the three only Capello has proved he is special. I can't see how any coach would fail to win something with the team these guys had in their hands and I can't see how any coach will fail to win something if we build one again.

All this experience factor is becoming an obsession. Again: Sacchi, Capello and Ancelotti, period. You can't just say that they can't be used as an example, that's autocratic. In the same sense, I can say that about any successful coach.

i must definitely agree. carlo's football has not been special these past few seasons. I am not at all confident that Carlo would succeed at Chelsea. Carlo, and his average results, have been protected by the "milan are family veil", at Chelsea there is no such veil. Avram Grant took the team to the CL final where they lost due to a slippery patch of grass near the penalty spot, and to a second place EPL finish that came down to the last day...and he was fired immediately. Scolari was gone midseason. If there is a hint of underperformance, you know Abramovic will become restless..

Autocratic? Hmh,..

Sacchi I see has been very badly misjudged here. Sacchi was a creator, inovator and a tacticall mastermind. His defense was the most balanced defense in the world, it was a defensive symphony; never seen before, never seen afterwards. Arrigo Sacchi achieved something no other coach had. It's not just the sole fact that Sacchi won, it's how he won!

I don't think it's up to experience. It's just that I'm not satisfied with the course our management is setting. If Leonardo takes over - it's another step in the "Ronaldinho direction". It's a clear sign that Carletto has to go not because of the results, his lost scudettos, his unbalanced defense. It's because he didn't find a ideal system to settle Ronaldinho-Kaka-Pato and the other brazilians. I don't think Leonardo can affect or defensive gameplan in any positive way, and leaving Tassotti as assistant means also nothing.

That's certainly true. they want immediate success so Carlo may not even last a season there...

Capello's football in 1995 wasn't also that special. In 1997 also. So what?

I don't think you can just label them special and take them out of the equation, that's what I mean. There would be no point in arguing, we could do just do that most of the time.

We agree on who Sacchi was! The thing is, we would not be talking about him now had Berlsconi not given him the chance to coach the team. There were many more experienced coaches to choose from but Silvio picked him and in his era there have been two more coaches who came in as untested (or tested and failed in Ancelotti's case) and thrived! So I just can''t see why we're so against it.

I don't think Leonardo will be our coach but even if he becomes I don't believe it will be because of that reason. Berlusconi wants Ronaldinho to play but as you know Berlusconi has no problem with his favorite players not playing as long as the team is winning. Ancelotti has not been winning and he would be in too much pressure to deliver so he'd better go. Leonardo would have no problems as long as the team is winning not as long as Ronaldinho is playing.

I don't know. Leonardo is also a Berlusconi favorite. This will be the first time Milan appoints a Berlu-pet as coach. And that makes it even worse then Ancelotti, already criticized for being to close to Berlusconi/management, and to mild.