Jack Sparrow
Mar 7 2009, 07:51 AM
QUOTE (amancik @ Mar 7 2009, 10:04 AM)

Guys aren't you tired of not finishing at least 2nd for the past 4 seasons? It's clear that we need to bring new and fresh talents. We can't hope to rely on Seedorf, Kaka', Ronaldinho & Pato to get the results for us. This is a team game. So the whole team must be competitive enough to challenge for Scudetto. My point is Gourcuff is owned by Milan. We don't need to pay anything to get him back. and he has got real talent. I mean what have we got to lose right?, cuz we ain't gonna buy anyone.
This is my summer ins and outs.
IN
Yoaan Gourcuff (return)
Alberto Paloschi (return)
Thiago Silva (confirmed)
OUT
Paolo Maldini
Philippe Senderos
Andriy Shevchenko
Clarence Seedorf
Tabare Viudez
Giuseppe Favalli
Emerson
I think this is all we need to do. So our next season main squad will be like this.
GK
Abbiati
Dida
Kalac
D
Antonini
Bonera
Darmian
Mattioni
Jankulovski
Kaladze
Nesta
T. Silva
Zambrotta
M
Ambrosini
Beckham
Cardacio
Flamini
Gattuso
Pirlo
Gourcuff
F
Borriello
Inzaghi
Paloschi
Kaka'
Ronaldinho
Pato
That mid-field won't last the whole season, I'm sorry. There's no way we can do it without Seedorf. On his day, only Pirlo (from our mid-fielders) can come close to Seedorf. And you do not drop players like that.
I understand Seedorf usually comes up with a 6.5 - 7.5 performance most matches, but we know on his days can come up with a 10. So just coz that pisses us off, we're going to get a guy who can give us a steady 7.0-8.0 every match. Don't think so.
The forward line...till I can get a guarantee on Borriello (actually see him play 10 games in a row), I want one more. I
'd prefer to keep Paloschi loaned out (so he plays with Parma in Serie A),and get in one more target man or a high workrate player.
MizNelson
Mar 7 2009, 12:19 PM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Mar 6 2009, 06:47 AM)

Seriously cuz Carlo is a very wicked person
Sorry, but that's just plain ridiculous.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 7 2009, 08:51 AM)

I understand Seedorf usually comes up with a 6.5 - 7.5 performance most matches, but we know on his days can come up with a 10. So just coz that pisses us off, we're going to get a guy who can give us a steady 7.0-8.0 every match. Don't think so.
WHAT??!? Man, seriously, you have to start watching more Milan matches... unless you don't want to be disappointed.
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 7 2009, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (amancik @ Mar 6 2009, 11:34 PM)

Guys aren't you tired of not finishing at least 2nd for the past 4 seasons? It's clear that we need to bring new and fresh talents. We can't hope to rely on Seedorf, Kaka', Ronaldinho & Pato to get the results for us. This is a team game. So the whole team must be competitive enough to challenge for Scudetto. My point is Gourcuff is owned by Milan. We don't need to pay anything to get him back. and he has got real talent. I mean what have we got to lose right?, cuz we ain't gonna buy anyone.
This is my summer ins and outs.
IN
*Yoaan Gourcuff (return)
Alberto Paloschi (return)
Thiago Silva (confirmed)
OUT
Paolo Maldini
Philippe Senderos
Andriy Shevchenko
Clarence Seedorf
**Tabare Viudez
Giuseppe Favalli
Emerson
I think this is all we need to do. So our next season main squad will be like this.
GK
Abbiati
***Dida
Kalac
D
Antonini
Bonera
Darmian
Mattioni
Jankulovski
Kaladze
Nesta
T. Silva
Zambrotta
M
Ambrosini
Beckham
Cardacio
Flamini
Gattuso
Pirlo
Gourcuff
F
Borriello
Inzaghi
****Paloschi
Kaka'
Ronaldinho
Pato
*It is true we own him but genius galliani put a buyout to the loan, so all lyon have to do is pay us 15Mil strait-up to keep him, which is VERY likely considering how he is la Ligue 1's #2 player At the moment to Benzema.
**We NEED to keep Viudez IMHO, my good friend (and my team's primary striker) is Uruguayan and has made us watch the national team on many occasions. I went to see Viudez and my friend Giuseppe (palermo fan) went to see Cavani. Long story short Viudez is a non-stop little motor that is powerful, skillful and very intelligent on the pitch!!! he can develop on the team but i'd MUCH rather see him out on a loan to a Serie A bottom feeder (abate #2)
***We have interested buyers in a guy making Too much money for a backup. I hate writing this next bit because YES i am a dida fan, but in this recession we can't be allowed to hold on to past hero's as their pay checks drain the club.
****I think if boriello is healthy and we can make a run At Demba Ba from Hoffenheim (excellent aerial control, 6'3", high energy, should be very inexpensive) With Dinho/Pato used as SS or off-playing strikers with a reserve in Pippo, we can go places!!! This being said, i like what i see from Paloschi, i think one more year on loan will do him good as the new coach as been featuring him a lot. I think he needs one more year :S
MizNelson
Mar 7 2009, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 7 2009, 08:19 AM)

***We have interested buyers in a guy making Too much money for a backup. I hate writing this next bit because YES i am a dida fan, but in this recession we can't be allowed to hold on to past heroes as their pay checks drain the club.
I hate it when I feel the need to get on my soapbox, but I personally found the last bit rather hypocritical. Why is it just his name that regularly comes up in terms of this topic? Don't lump him with the Emersons and Favallis (who's about to get an extension himself) who've been here a short time and contributed little to the club as a whole. Plus, what about current underperformers like Seedorf and Kaladze, the former who plays only when he feels like it, and the latter who's been nothing short of disastrous and is out the rest of the season? They're among ten other Milanisti who make just as much or a little less than Dida does. Blame the management for giving Kalac an extension after his fifteen minutes last season, Berlu's sentimental reacquisition of a has-been Sheva, and our pointless signing of 34-year-old Beckham, who hasn't done much of anything with us.
He's worked hard to shrug off his injury problems and has been in form during what precious playing time he's received, so it's not as if he's sat on his can and twiddled his thumbs this season. He deserves to see out his deal and thus finish his career with Milan before heading off into retirement.
What interested buyers are you talking about, il_diavolo? As far as I know, there aren't any at this time.
Zed.D
Mar 7 2009, 09:57 PM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Mar 7 2009, 11:32 PM)

I hate it when I feel the need to get on my soapbox, but I personally found the last bit rather hypocritical. Why is it just his name that regularly comes up in terms of this topic? Don't lump him with the Emersons and Favallis (who's about to get an extension himself) who've been here a short time and contributed little to the club as a whole. Plus, what about current underperformers like Seedorf and Kaladze, the former who plays only when he feels like it, and the latter who's been nothing short of disastrous and is out the rest of the season? They're among ten other Milanisti who make just as much or a little less than Dida does. Blame the management for giving Kalac an extension after his fifteen minutes last season, Berlu's sentimental reacquisition of a has-been Sheva, and our pointless signing of 34-year-old Beckham, who hasn't done much of anything with us.
He's worked hard to shrug off his injury problems and has been in form during what precious playing time he's received, so it's not as if he's sat on his can and twiddled his thumbs this season. He deserves to see out his deal and thus finish his career with Milan before heading off into retirement.
What interested buyers are you talking about, il_diavolo? As far as I know, there aren't any at this time.
Great post. it made me think twice about some things...
-=-=-=-
Anyone thinks of VdV as a target for us? he is a bench warmer at RM, a decent player, Dutch, Seedorf on the other hand usually underperforms, etc.
If we're to lose Yoann, I think going for VdV would be a great move.
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 7 2009, 11:38 PM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Mar 7 2009, 03:02 PM)

I hate it when I feel the need to get on my soapbox, but I personally found the last bit rather hypocritical. Why is it just his name that regularly comes up in terms of this topic? Don't lump him with the Emersons and Favallis (who's about to get an extension himself) who've been here a short time and contributed little to the club as a whole. Plus, what about current underperformers like Seedorf and Kaladze, the former who plays only when he feels like it, and the latter who's been nothing short of disastrous and is out the rest of the season? They're among ten other Milanisti who make just as much or a little less than Dida does. Blame the management for giving Kalac an extension after his fifteen minutes last season, Berlu's sentimental reacquisition of a has-been Sheva, and our pointless signing of 34-year-old Beckham, who hasn't done much of anything with us.
He's worked hard to shrug off his injury problems and has been in form during what precious playing time he's received, so it's not as if he's sat on his can and twiddled his thumbs this season. He deserves to see out his deal and thus finish his career with Milan before heading off into retirement.
What interested buyers are you talking about, il_diavolo? As far as I know, there aren't any at this time.
Do i agree that there are more deserving people to be shipped out, Absolutely!!!! But between you and me, if/when we make it to the champs league next year, outside of Coppa Italia, when will Dida see the field??? I love him and to this day he is one of the best, most accomplished keepers of our time! You wouldn't know it because i always seem to talk to people who are convinced Abbiati is a fluke...(for 27 games). Do i Think he's the future answer at GK, HELL NO! But i think we can't overlook his form and contributions, he has been up there IMO with Ceasar and Frey (obviously coming third the these mentioned players , but in the vicinity. Even if you did replace him? Would it be with a keeper that's turning 36 this year?? I want to keep him but the only way would be a re-structured contract, as he is getting world class dollar to watch from the sidelines. I COMPLETELY AGREE that he is not that high on the list of "must leave" but he is vastly overpaid for the sitting he is doing. The interested? lol it seems you were the one who said it was Newcastle while i thought it was Tottenham, regardless to what, if some rich premiership team sees him for the great goalie he is, and makes an offer, that would be a win-win-win situation.
Outside of sentimental reasons, unless he restructures, with berlu's new wage cut proposal, i don't see him staying but i hope they hold a ceremony for him the day he leaves, i never want to forget him, nor make him regret his amazing stint at Milan. The same cannot be said for the Emersons of the team lol
Bluesummers
Mar 7 2009, 11:51 PM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Mar 7 2009, 02:02 PM)

I hate it when I feel the need to get on my soapbox, but I personally found the last bit rather hypocritical. Why is it just his name that regularly comes up in terms of this topic? Don't lump him with the Emersons and Favallis (who's about to get an extension himself) who've been here a short time and contributed little to the club as a whole. Plus, what about current underperformers like Seedorf and Kaladze, the former who plays only when he feels like it, and the latter who's been nothing short of disastrous and is out the rest of the season? They're among ten other Milanisti who make just as much or a little less than Dida does. Blame the management for giving Kalac an extension after his fifteen minutes last season, Berlu's sentimental reacquisition of a has-been Sheva, and our pointless signing of 34-year-old Beckham, who hasn't done much of anything with us.
He's worked hard to shrug off his injury problems and has been in form during what precious playing time he's received, so it's not as if he's sat on his can and twiddled his thumbs this season. He deserves to see out his deal and thus finish his career with Milan before heading off into retirement.
What interested buyers are you talking about, il_diavolo? As far as I know, there aren't any at this time.
+1 great post, however he should get a wage cut. Otherwise he is hurting the club more than doing good. Not just him, a lot of people in our club should be getting wage cuts..seedorf, emerson, flamini etc.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 6 2009, 08:08 PM)

Deco will be free to go this season. I think one of the tow Blues (Drogba&Deco) will end up in Milan, the other in Inter. Diego...I've kind of learned to dislike him at Bremen. He's very good, but there's something arrogant in him which defers from the typicall Milanista line Boban-Leonardo-Rui Costa-Kaka...
Oh I love Deco as much as the next guy but he'd be a very short-term solution so I would look at other players first. I would not even think about it but I've grown too tired of Seedorf.
I like Diego, I believe he'd fit into See's position. Then there's VdV who Zed suggested and I also like and there is Sneijder too. Then there's Modric but I can't see him moving this summer. Out of them all I think I'd rather have one of the two Dutchmen. I still believe Gourcuff can replace Seedorf effectively but the French will probably not come back.
The thing is, if Ancelotti stays, we won't sign a player to take over from Seedorf so this is all pointless.
CrazyMilanFan
Mar 8 2009, 01:25 PM
daily mail is saying abt vidic+evans for 30 million it is quite stupid bcoz UTD wont sell 2 of there defenders but i think that vidic cold turn out to be one of our major summer targets
CrazyMilanFan
Mar 8 2009, 01:31 PM
on milannews.it there was something abt santacore as well but it was more of an opinion kinda article
MizNelson
Mar 8 2009, 11:34 PM
QUOTE (polishsoca.com)
Young Polish goal keeper Michal Miskiewicz is currently training with some of the world's best footballers in Milan - reports Fakt.
Good chance
"I happened to bounce off a few serious shots of Kaka and Ronaldinho," praises Miskiewicz after his first training session with the AC Milan first team. Currently only a reserve for the UEFA Champions League winners, the Pole is very hopeful of a first team debut in the summer. "There is a good chance that I can make my debut on the first team in June." says Miskiewicz, who knows that current Milan custodians, 36-year-old Dida and year older Kalac will soon be leaving the club. "My chances look very good at the moment."
Likely promotion
Having only started his career with Polish second division LKS Kmita Zabierzow, Miskiewicz quickly made a risky leap to Italy with certainly no regrets. The 19-year-old has already become an important pillar of the Milan reserve team this season and will likely be promoted to the first team this summer.
Is this a joke?
Tennie
Mar 9 2009, 12:08 AM
Well, he's one of the primavera keepers, Miz. Does that help?
MizNelson
Mar 9 2009, 12:32 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 8 2009, 04:08 PM)

Well, he's one of the primavera keepers, Miz. Does that help?
Oh, OK; I just found the "first team debut in June" part rather odd. I'm assuming the Primavera season is held over the summer?
Tennie
Mar 9 2009, 12:35 AM
Yup.
MizNelson
Mar 9 2009, 12:44 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 8 2009, 04:35 PM)

Yup.
That would explain it. Didafan feels silly, as she automatically thought the grownups' first team.

Here's a picture:
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 9 2009, 06:38 AM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 8 2009, 07:31 AM)

on milannews.it there was something abt santacore as well but it was more of an opinion kinda article
i would LOVE for us to get either him or zapata who was amazing last game btw!
Tennie
Mar 9 2009, 12:31 PM
In yesterday's Sportitalia (which is a show), the broadcaster thought Mexes was a likely transfer to Milan.
Fillipo Simone
Mar 9 2009, 01:13 PM
Oh it's so gonna be Mexes! What's the point in staying at Roma for him anyway?
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 9 2009, 03:52 PM
i like that move a lot, he is very sturdy on defense
CrazyMilanFan
Mar 9 2009, 03:57 PM
mexes is quality but his price is something which is mite be an issue for me
kurtsimonw
Mar 9 2009, 04:03 PM
I don't particularly rate our management highly, but even they know if we want to compete at the top level and replace the likes of Maldini and Nesta, we need to be prepared to spend the £££ needed. I think we'll sign a defender for a fairly decent amount of money this summer.
Habitant
Mar 9 2009, 06:13 PM
hmmm there seems to be so many highly rated polish keepers out there
Bluesummers
Mar 9 2009, 07:04 PM
On the mexes transfer it all depends. If roma make champions league then he wont. If they do not, then he will. Assuming we make CL.
Vidic story is complete bogus imo. There is no way ferguson is going to sell his best CB.
Santacroce, I dont think were interested but who knows.
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 9 2009, 07:19 PM
i agree, mexes depends on roma's placement, i doubt we can get santacrocce unless we overpay, napoli can challenge for a top spot in the serie A and they would not afford to lose one of their young gems, our best bet is Zapata, IMO because if UDinese sells Quagliarella then they will sell Zapata
Darunia
Mar 9 2009, 11:38 PM
Napoli is in 11th right now, not really challenging for a top spot but Santacroce won't be cheap. Zapata, Santacroce, Mexes, anybody but Senderos.
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 10 2009, 01:51 AM
they CAN chalange next year!
MizNelson
Mar 10 2009, 02:55 AM
I've heard that Santacroce plans to sign an extension with Napoli. We'll just have to wait and see.
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 10 2009, 06:46 AM
Napoli has been keen to keep it's star players to threaten next year. (by the talk of players agents)
I think Zapata/Mexes are more likely as Udinese seems willing to sell some players (Zapata, Quagliarella..) and roma, if they don't make the CL may sell Mexes to us.
CrazyMilanFan
Mar 10 2009, 09:44 AM
According to 4-4-2.com, AC Milan are ready to offer 12 million euros to Fiorentina to obtain 21 year old midfielder Zdravko Kuzmanovic. Now if there is anything true about this rumour then i think we can get him instead of yoann whose price shall cover it but again this will happen if voila fail to qualify for UCL imo
Jack Sparrow
Mar 10 2009, 10:53 AM
He plays well for me. I purchased him when I was playing @ Benfica. Very very useful.
Fillipo Simone
Mar 10 2009, 11:11 AM
Worthless. I'd rather sign Kranjcar for free this summer. But neither of them is real Milan-caliber.
dst
Mar 10 2009, 11:32 AM
I don't think Mexes's move to Milan depends on whether Roma will qualify for next season's CL or not. Not at all.
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Mar 10 2009, 03:55 AM)

I've heard that Santacroce plans to sign an extension with Napoli. We'll just have to wait and see.
I've been waiting for a couple of hours. Have you seen anything?
Tennie
Mar 10 2009, 12:28 PM
Corriere is reporting that Milan might make a bid for the Cagliari keeper Marchetti, for Agger, Mexes, Kuzmanovic, etc etc etc.
There are reports all over the Italian media that Donadoni is in Rome, meeting with Di Laurentiis about the Napoli job.
Habitant
Mar 10 2009, 02:58 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 10 2009, 11:11 AM)

Worthless. I'd rather sign Kranjcar for free this summer. But neither of them is real Milan-caliber.

you really dont like any of the serbian players, but i do agree kranjcar is better.
Fillipo Simone
Mar 10 2009, 03:02 PM
QUOTE (Habitant @ Mar 10 2009, 02:58 PM)


Maybe it does appear that way! But, I like some of them! For instance, I'd welcome Bojan, i do "like" Senderos, Sulejmani, Lukovic, etc. Just not the ones linked with Milan - Vidic and Kuzma.
Habitant
Mar 10 2009, 03:06 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 10 2009, 02:02 PM)


Maybe it does appear that way! But, I like some of them! For instance, I'd welcome Bojan, i do "like" Senderos, Sulejmani, Lukovic, etc. Just not the ones linked with Milan - Vidic and Kuzma.
you mean kirkic

? (counts for half) and senderos is of serbian decent? jeeeze switzerland is europes melting pot lol
Fillipo Simone
Mar 10 2009, 03:37 PM
Yep. Senderos has a serbian mother. Like Ibrakadabra has a croatian mother or something like that. Ahhh...
dst
Mar 10 2009, 03:50 PM
You like Senderos even if it's with "" but you do not like Vidic!? I know a good shrink, he helped me!
Fillipo Simone
Mar 10 2009, 03:54 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Mar 10 2009, 03:50 PM)

You like Senderos even if it's with "" but you do not like Vidic!? I know a good shrink, he helped me!

I like Senderos because he's here with us and also there's something so sweet in the way he tackles! Just one step away from...
But honestly, you know why I like Senderos more then Vidic? Because with Senderos you at least know where you are - you get **** in a package that's titled ****. While with Vidic, you buy expensive and the title says class but still you get ****
Habitant
Mar 10 2009, 04:13 PM
so that means rio, aka GOOFY

is to vidic as nesta is to kaladze?
come on....
Bluesummers
Mar 10 2009, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 10 2009, 02:44 AM)

According to 4-4-2.com, AC Milan are ready to offer 12 million euros to Fiorentina to obtain 21 year old midfielder Zdravko Kuzmanovic. Now if there is anything true about this rumour then i think we can get him instead of yoann whose price shall cover it but again this will happen if voila fail to qualify for UCL imo
Great deal. He's just as good.
il_diavolo_mtl
Mar 11 2009, 04:36 AM
we are being linked to Thiago Mota of Genoa, though i think i would rather have Giandominguo Mesto as a replacement to seedorf if i was picking from Genoa, With some good coaching (carlo?) he can develop into a faster paced Clarence

.
Tennie
Mar 11 2009, 12:14 PM
Not sure I want to believe this one (I'd sure like to, though). Mediaset is reporting that Milan will bring Abate back for next season. There's uncertainty about what's going to happen to Di Gennaro and Paloschi, and Darmian will probably be sent on loan.
EDIT: Gazzetta is repeating the bit about Abate. They're adding that Perticone (a defender who's doing rather well in Serie B for Livorno) will also be recalled and think both Di Gennaro and Paloschi will come back.
Zed.D
Mar 11 2009, 12:19 PM
I remember his comments last summer, "one more season on loan, then Milan".
whoarethepatriots
Mar 11 2009, 01:13 PM
Perticone? I have heard good things about him, and its nice to see he is doing well for Livorno
Jack Sparrow
Mar 11 2009, 01:24 PM
tribal's running a piece..supposedly a direct quote from Braida, saying the market's closed and will be for a long time. Supposedly, the financial situation means the club is not willing to splash. He's effectively slashed the Kuzmanovic solution.
But then again it's Braida on transfers, so it's 90% BS.
Tennie
Mar 11 2009, 02:13 PM
Perticone is getting votes in the 6-6.5 range pretty much every week for Livorno - and Livorno are in the promotion zone in B.
Jack, the tribal piece was picked up from Tuttomercatoweb, whose guys called Braida cold and caught him, I think, in an off moment. They asked about transfers and he commented something to the effect of, 'There are more important things going on right now, there's an economic crisis affecting the whole world, etc etc etc.' From what I took of the Italian version of things, they pissed him off and he snapped at them.
Il Capitano
Mar 11 2009, 02:17 PM
I like the rumors that we are after Marchetti. I think he's a great keeper and could take the next step with a Milan shirt.
dst
Mar 11 2009, 03:17 PM
WOW Abate is only 22!? I thought he was 25+ and I was ready to say how he sucked against Juve and that we don't need him but if he's still only 22 then I'd welcome him. Though I still don't think he's what we need.
By the way, isn't Ignazio a Spanish name? Or am I mistaken?
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