gal_kenny
May 10 2009, 07:37 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ May 10 2009, 01:34 AM)

Don't see anything about drogba and adebayor on mediaset.
I do see a note saying that Abramovich is prepared to buy out Shevchenko's contract and that he'll then be free to find another club (ie, he's not wanted back at Chelsea).
Adebayor or Drogba
MizNelson
May 10 2009, 08:05 AM
QUOTE (Tennie dello Sport)
Studio Sport has a new rumor!
Drogba to Milan for 7-8 million + Kaladze.
Chelsea wouldn't be that stupid to take Kaladze and we hopefully wouldn't be stupid enough to take in Drogba.
Maybe they need some new faces whom the refs won't recognize for when Chelski players mob them in Pavlovian fashion after a bad call.
Zed.D
May 10 2009, 09:50 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 10 2009, 04:45 AM)

I'm going to disagree and say one thing. There seems to be a huge misconception that young = quick, old = slow. There is no relation between speed and age in my opinion, at least not during a football career.
Maybe stamina was the right word not speed. some players are naturally slow(/fast) and that doesn't change much when they get older, but stamina DOES. it depends on each individual but usually when a footballer reaches his 30's, he starts to decline in that aspect. they can run as fast as ever but not for a whole game but 60-70 minutes (it depends on many things). now imagine having at least 7 of them in the XI...
QUOTE (Tennie @ May 10 2009, 05:04 AM)

Don't see anything about drogba and adebayor on mediaset.
I do see a note saying that Abramovich is prepared to buy out Shevchenko's contract and that he'll then be free to find another club (ie, he's not wanted back at Chelsea).
In that case I can see us welcoming Sheva with open arms... a former legend for free? no way Galliani's going to ignore that. after all he loves champions no matter how old or ineffective they are.
Fillipo Simone
May 10 2009, 12:47 PM
Old players...young players...what a philosophy. Wish Hegel would be here to contemplate.
theduck09
May 10 2009, 01:38 PM
I know Maldini is superman but we can't expect him to play season after season especially in massive Champions League games all we want is a solid cente half and a full back and then I'd be happy
Tennie
May 10 2009, 01:52 PM
Welcome to the duck!

Given that Maldini's retiring, we definitely do need 1 centerback -- possibly 2, depending on Nesta's recuperation.
il_diavolo_mtl
May 10 2009, 04:39 PM
Bruno alves, Porto anywone?
other then that i don't want to see alot of signings unless we get another Thiago Silva with the gourcoff money.
we have the young depthh we need and an Arsenal-esque off-season would not even bother me. I think we should pickup some young propects like jiuve did a while back with De ceglie, Cricito, Palladino, Marchiso and so on and become sellers.
This would be a good and pro-slovenian off-season IMO lol
OUT
Maldini
Sheva
kaladzhe
Viudez and/or cardaccio (on loan/transfer+cash) for the udinese players)
Explore selling Ambro, Nesta.
Gourcoff (he's out of our hands but a good source of 15M)
Purchases
Zapata - Udinese
Handancovic - Udinese
Senderos (retain if unexpensive (sub 8M))
Bruno Alves - Porto
Streches
K9-Palmeiras Pato/Kerrison up front anyone?
Milivoje Novakovic-Cologne (17 goals in 30 games for a terrible team and 3 goals in 6 matches for slovenia) a Constant hustler and leader, makes people around him better. a Tall target with great finishing ability to ensure if Boriello goes down we are covered
RinoIlCapitano
May 10 2009, 05:15 PM
have you anti-yoan guys watch any of his games this season, he is fantastic and we need him in th midfield!!!!!!!!!
Tennie
May 11 2009, 12:37 PM
Sportitalia has run a speculative piece on Milan's market strategy. No clue as to how accurate it may be. Here are the highlights:
* A lot depends on whether or not Ancelotti stays or goes.
* Cardacio, Viudez, and Darmian to go on loan.
* Mattioni to Udinese on loan.
* Oddo to return and hopefully a good sale somewhere for him will be found.
* Trying to get Maldini to stay one more year for the homegrown player quota and because valid alternatives are pretty hard to find.
* Antonini to stay.
* Abate possibly to return but that depends on Ancelotti.
* Shevchenko to leave.
* Doubts as to whether Ronaldinho will stay - this depends on Berlusconi.
* 1 year extension for Favalli.
dst
May 11 2009, 12:44 PM
Get rid of Ancelotti, Seedorf and Ronaldinho and everything will be alright!
And NO Maldini won't stay for any quota, we HAVE TO promote our youngsters sooner or later!!
il_diavolo_mtl
May 11 2009, 01:34 PM
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ May 10 2009, 12:15 PM)

have you anti-yoan guys watch any of his games this season, he is fantastic and we need him in th midfield!!!!!!!!!
i am not anti yoan at all my good sir, Just that We are not in control over what happens with him anymore. The ball is in Bordeaux's court and for 15M to get the best player in la Ligue 1 is pretty much a guarantee.
Suprpippo
May 11 2009, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 4 2009, 06:58 PM)

Fishdoll would like to see Abate brought back in the summer window.

Why abate sucks. let him rot in torino we need a replacement for maldini
Jack Sparrow
May 11 2009, 02:15 PM
^^

Hoo yeah!
Tennie
May 11 2009, 02:15 PM
Welcome to superpippo.

Even if I do disagree with you about Abate -- he's pretty much been the only Toro player to do well, and he's also done quite well for the U21s.
gal_kenny
May 11 2009, 04:00 PM
Guys i know this might seem quite impossible but what do u guys think about getting Tevez to replace Sheva?
gal_kenny
May 11 2009, 04:10 PM
Can't wait for next season
6Best
May 11 2009, 05:09 PM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ May 11 2009, 09:00 PM)

Guys i know this might seem quite impossible but what do u guys think about getting Tevez to replace Sheva?
Tennie
May 11 2009, 05:11 PM
Tevez has one of those funky ownership things where his rights are owned by his agent. That makes me a bit hesitant.
Fillipo Simone
May 11 2009, 06:35 PM
I hope Tevez joins Inter. They deserve each other IMO.
As for Milan's transfer plans - I hope we can find Oddo a suitable team, but his performances for Bayern showed he's not at his best; Seedorf will stay I hope and get used to his role as a backup.
Zed.D
May 11 2009, 09:16 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 11 2009, 09:05 PM)

As for Milan's transfer plans - I hope we can find Oddo a suitable team, but his performances for Bayern showed he's not at his best; Seedorf will stay I hope and get used to his role as a backup.
Is that going to be his future role?
dst
May 11 2009, 10:06 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 11 2009, 08:35 PM)

Seedorf will stay I hope and get used to his role as a backup.
How do you know Ancelotti is going to leave?
Fillipo Simone
May 11 2009, 10:45 PM
QUOTE (dst @ May 11 2009, 10:06 PM)

How do you know Ancelotti is going to leave?
Hmh? Why should he?
Naah, I'm throwing it all away. Just don't wanna play this "amplify game". I enjoyed yesterdays match, as it was the first football match I watched in nearly 14 days. With or without the man who scored.
dst
May 11 2009, 10:54 PM
You know, most of the time I only get half of what you say.
What I meant was that I can't see Seedorf being demoted to a backup role as long as Ancelotti is here. Not next season anyway. I hope he will surprise me.
Fillipo Simone
May 11 2009, 11:01 PM
QUOTE (dst @ May 11 2009, 10:54 PM)

You know, most of the time I only get half of what you say.
What I meant was that I can't see Seedorf being demoted to a backup role as long as Ancelotti is here. Not next season anyway. I hope he will surprise me.
Killing both is an option too. Sacking both? A few solutions will appear.
Ancelotti still coach and Seedorf benched? Oh, I can see that. Especially when Gourcuff arrives.
dst
May 11 2009, 11:13 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 12 2009, 01:01 AM)

Killing both is an option too. Sacking both? A few solutions will appear.
Ancelotti still coach and Seedorf benched? Oh, I can see that. Especially when Gourcuff arrives.
Ancelotti should go. Seedorf could be useful as a sub.
I understand you think Gourcuff
will return?
Fillipo Simone
May 11 2009, 11:17 PM
Naturally. That or Milan should be banned for making such a wrong decision. Every other option then Gourcuff playing for Milan next season is wrong, wrong and wrong.
dst
May 11 2009, 11:21 PM
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not!
I'll go for the former.
Zed.D
May 11 2009, 11:22 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 12 2009, 02:47 AM)

Naturally. That or Milan should be banned for making such a wrong decision. Every other option then Gourcuff playing for Milan next season is wrong, wrong and wrong.
You know, recently I can hardly tell whether you're being serious or sarcastic! especially when it comes to Gourcuff!
Jack Sparrow
May 12 2009, 05:16 AM
For Seedorf to be benched, we need someone like Gerrard or Lampard to play in his place. It's the one hole in our mid-field we can't seem to plug...not after 2 years.

Yoann is good, but I fear he's not the type of player who wishes to defend. He's probably best left to play attacking. Which of course leaves us with our precious Christmas tree.
So what's it gonna be- Gourcuff or 2 strikers?
dst
May 12 2009, 08:56 AM
For Seedorf to be benched, we need a coach that's not best friends with him!
Gerrard won't leave Liverpool, Lampard is a possibility. I'd love to see either of them in Milan.
I think your fear is not justified. Gourcuff at Bordeuax (I've only watched him in the first half of the season, not recently) has been defending no less than Seedorf has been at Milan.
In my view, Gourcuff would a great replacement for Seedorf.
Fillipo Simone
May 12 2009, 08:58 AM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 11 2009, 11:22 PM)

You know, recently I can hardly tell whether you're being serious or sarcastic! especially when it comes to Gourcuff!

Like I said before, best of both possible worlds.
@Jack - yes, it's a very good question. I've been watching Gourcuff all season long, and yes, Blanc usually gives him a free role with little defensive work. Biggest problem is we have to find a player i) avaible, ii) good enough to get an instant spot between Pirlo-Rino-Kaka-Ambro, iii) matchfit and not so old
So basically, simple logic would say we have to get us a striker; bring back Abate as well, sell Gourcuff.
Only situation that changes the conditions drasticaly is if Kaka leaves. Then we should hold on Gourcuff and regroup both the midfield and attack.
Fillipo Simone
May 12 2009, 09:01 AM
QUOTE
I think your fear is not justified. Gourcuff at Bordeuax (I've only watched him in the first half of the season, not recently) has been defending no less than Seedorf has been at Milan.
Naah, as much as I'd like to agree, just can't. He's been very inconsistent in the back; sometimes he simply forgets to defend or acts like he's Paolo Rossi. No, no, no,...I wouldn't call him a Seedorf replacement.
{speaking more of the Seedorf position then the recent Seedorf figure/player}
Zed.D
May 12 2009, 09:02 AM
+1 @ dst
If we lose Gouruff to Bordeaux, we must go for another midfielder. I can't see Lamprad or Gerrard leaving their teams in a million years. I think we better aim for one of Madrid's Dutch midfielders now that their in the middle of a crisis. preferably Sneijder.
Jack Sparrow
May 12 2009, 09:22 AM
Can Sneijder tackle??

I'm sounding like a broken record.
Zed.D
May 12 2009, 09:31 AM
Actually if any midfielder have to help the defense it's the Pirlo position midfielder not the Seedorf position midfielder! I don't know why you're so insistent on this, Jack.
Fillipo Simone
May 12 2009, 09:53 AM
Both positions should carry a part of the balast on their shoulders.
We're going in cricles. Jack's been very right - if we need a midfielder, it's a Lampard/Gerrard one.
Tennie
May 12 2009, 11:55 AM
L'Equipe is reporting that Gourcuff is negotiating with Bordeaux.
Globoesporte is reporting that Flamengo want Ronaldinho and that his brother is in Brazil working on negotiations.
Milannews reports that Milan are looking at Dossena and Tevez.
Cruyff is, in Gazzetta, recommending Van Basten for the Milan coaching job.
Fillipo Simone
May 12 2009, 05:21 PM
Bah, what a nice recommendation
il_diavolo_mtl
May 12 2009, 05:39 PM
I'd be open to sell dinho as our midfield is Ridiculously crowded
i'm mellowing to the idea of keeping ambro as a backup and i have no problem with Seedorf playing As long as we got someone moving up the ranks ready to overtake him if/when the going gets rough.
dst
May 12 2009, 06:15 PM
If Tevez, Dossena and van Basten is Milan's future someone please lend me a handgun to blow my brains out!
Zed.D
May 12 2009, 08:29 PM
QUOTE (dst @ May 12 2009, 08:45 PM)

If Tevez, Dossena and van Basten is Milan's future someone please lend me a handgun to blow my brains out!
I thought you rated Tevez.
I wouldn't complain if MvB and Tevez were to come. Tevez is not that amazing but he's better than nothing. and Mvb... let's just say I miss some attacking football! even though Rijkaard would do it!
gal_kenny
May 12 2009, 10:11 PM
Tevez is Amazing....His versatility is beyond this world...we can play 4-3-1-2....Pato-Tevez;Kaka up front, Tevez-Inzaghi;kaka, Tevez-Borriello;kaka, Pato-Borriello;Tevez, Kaka-Tevez;Ronnie, Tevez; Ronnie Kaka, So many
ways..Plus he fights to get back the ball a lot...I don't think i've seen a striker that fights to get the ball back like him...well maybe except Eto'o....But Tevez could really be a good addition....plus he's still young
vnata001
May 13 2009, 01:48 AM
if van basten would come back to us, goodbye clarence?
il_diavolo_mtl
May 13 2009, 02:00 AM
QUOTE (vnata001 @ May 12 2009, 08:48 PM)

if van basten would come back to us, goodbye clarence?
Who is Van Baasten to banish the people's champion
Tennie
May 13 2009, 02:18 AM
(please, no old jokes or I will hit you with my cane) I recall that MVB was, as a player, something of a primadonna. He was, for example, a big part of the reason Sacchi was fired and Capello came in. He seems to have had a somewhat difficult personality as Netherlands coach too, though to be honest, I can't blame him for refusing to call up Van Bommel.
by the way, milannews is reported that the club is looking at a young goalkeeper: Andrea Consigli, who plays for Atalanta. Consigli has more or less taken over the starting goal job from Coppola and is also the #1 for the Azzurrini. He's 21. Last year he was the starting keeper for Serie B side Rimini and had a stretch of 600+ minutes without conceding, which isn't too bad.
TriniKing_CE
May 13 2009, 03:11 AM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ May 12 2009, 05:11 PM)

I don't think i've seen a striker that fights to get the ball back like him...well maybe except Eto'o
You forgot Rooney
vnata001
May 13 2009, 04:24 AM
well the reason i ask that is because i remember van basten and seedorf having a bust up over MvB's national team selection. I believe MvB snubbed Clarence for WC 06 and for that reason Clarence rejected his call up for Euro 2008?
Tennie
May 13 2009, 06:45 AM
^^ I remember it that way too, vnata.
Zed.D
May 13 2009, 08:35 AM
QUOTE (vnata001 @ May 13 2009, 04:18 AM)

if van basten would come back to us, goodbye clarence?
I don't think Seedorf would leave, he'd just get the playing time he deserves. I don't think if Rijkaard came Dinho would leave either.
whoarethepatriots
May 13 2009, 09:44 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ May 13 2009, 02:18 AM)

(please, no old jokes or I will hit you with my cane) I recall that MVB was, as a player, something of a primadonna. He was, for example, a big part of the reason Sacchi was fired and Capello came in. He seems to have had a somewhat difficult personality as Netherlands coach too, though to be honest, I can't blame him for refusing to call up Van Bommel.
by the way, milannews is reported that the club is looking at a young goalkeeper: Andrea Consigli, who plays for Atalanta. Consigli has more or less taken over the starting goal job from Coppola and is also the #1 for the Azzurrini. He's 21. Last year he was the starting keeper for Serie B side Rimini and had a stretch of 600+ minutes without conceding, which isn't too bad.
Hmmm, Consigli is very highly rated and is a potential no 1 one day.
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