What do you mean?

Mourinho's English isn't Shakespearean, after all, is it now?

If you ask me, it's quite terrible for a translator. And when he speaks, he really sounds funny like he's doing it on purpose.

But to his defense, and you know Im not one to do that he does speak four languages; Spanish, Italian, English and his native Portuguese. I believe that should mitigate his accent, no?

I don't know, really

Jose speaks perfect English, it's everyone in England that's speaking it wrong.

People in England don't even speak English. There's a bunch who speak Cockney, then some speak Geordie and so on...

I love Mourinho's English.

You could never say that if you were English

Pato made a switch to city rivals Sao Paulo.

I think it'll be good for him, because Sao Paulo's coach is Muricy Ramalho--arguably Brazil's best coach of the last decade and a man of iron discipline.

Here's to one more chance, duckers.

I actually thought he'd missed another sitter when I saw this thread was up! mind you, I'm not saying another muscle injury...

It may be good for his future, but at the same time it feels like a desperate move to make the WC squad which is too late now.

Every time I read shitty things about Pato I get mad at how good he was and how great he could have become for us, and where he is nowadays. The reason he's transferring to Sao Paolo is because of the continuous threats from Santos fans.

Threats from Santos fans? what's he done to them now?

Their relations are not the best. They can't stand him and want him out.

surely you meant the Corinthians fans

Agreed. Such a sad outcome for him, he really could have become a WC star for us. The injuries ruined him

While I don't support Corinthians and a fair share of their fans are thugs, I can't say I blame them--Pato was the most expensive transfer in Brazilian football history (at 15 million Euros, come on!), has one the largest salaries in the league, and produced very few results. And he had the audacity to excuse himself due to being "young" after that botched penalty against Cruzeiro, effectively ruining Corinthians' chances of accessing Copa Libertadores.

Heads up duck--you're not young anymore. You're 24. By that age Pele, had two world cups, Messi and R9 had won their ballon d'or. You better get back on track.

Yeah, my mistake.



Injuries and his attitude.

Out on loan now. This guy is finished.

What are you on kurt? He remains on Sao Paulo as far as I'm concerned.

Or are you talking about the loan that happened four months ago?

I'm talking about the fact he's only just started playing games for them, so it seemed the right time to talk about him?

I've been reading about his friendlies and such.

He seems to be doing better in Sao Paulo. Don't write him off just yet.

I'd like him to improve and come back. It's sad what injuries do to potentially great players.

He started good for Corinthians as well, but that didn't last long. I've personally written him off a long time ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2...-place-his.html

Interesting article !

Glad hes so young he still has plenty of time ! its on his side and hes lucky it still is at 24 years old he can still accomplish many things.

I remember going to go watch him at the emirates stadium Brazil vs Sweden where he scored his first senior goal for the national team a player on the rise. I hope he can come back to his best he still has two or three world cups to attend!

Curiously the Independent does a very similar piece.

Coincidence?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...to-9569561.html

Maybe as a fan! In 3 World Cups time he'd be 36, even 32 is probably pushing it when Brazil have so much talent available. Russia is his last hope IMO.

If Pato could get his head right, his body right, the guy has the tools to be as good as Suarez.

Unfortunately like Suarez he's mentally unstable.

I don't think Pato is mentally unstable hes just lost his way , would you say Bentley is mentally unstable he just lost the love of the game. Substituting drink for football. Suarez going to see a shrink would not change him.

Are we really now going to be making assumptions on the mental state of every player who has difficulties?

Pato never bit anyone and imo has always been a very correct player on the pitch and as far as I know never had any behavioural issues.

His problems were always with his body as it gave up on him

Just the ones who show mental instabilities.



No, he's just incredibly stupid and let his vices control his career. Then when back in Brazil got RPOTY for being such a waster.

Can't actually understand why you're bringing up 'biting' issues as the only pre-requisite for mental instability. I don't recall Stan Collymore biting anyone either but the guy is a true nutjob.



Both, actually.

No, Bentley suffered the ignominy of being too hyped at too young an age. He lost the love of the game because it stopped loving him. Quite different to Pato who made about 400 mistakes in his career and it's why he is where he is.

Nice guy, just incredibly stupid and volatile.

Hmm i would swap your wording using the word volatile seems to think he had huge problems. Which he did off the pitch but thats only when things started to get even worse on the pitch i.e form injuries.

If Brazil keep Fred and Jo, Pato has a future there most definitively. In fact, I'd prefer him even today over the two mentioned players. The Brazil of the past - surely would have forgotten Pato easily. But there ain't so much real talent in attack these days, times changed.


no, Pato never bit anyone.

But you fail to see his other side. I've pointed to problems when years ago he decided to rush into a marriage and then ended it dramatically. Afterwards he went on to show that his immaturity isn't just passable. There were and still are rumors that he's embraced a party-style life, that he's taking it way too casual (missed penalties for example). He dated Barbara Berlusconi which wasn't very good per se as well.

So yes, the biggest problems were the injuries. But there's also a pattern of juvenility and immature behavior - which also indicates mental problems, problems with accepting his status and his potential. He's sinking lower and lower these days, and I'm not gonna say it's all injuries and nothing else.

I mentioned biting because just like with Suarez you're bringing in mental heath issues into the discussion with no basis for your theories. It was a tongue in cheek type comment


Sure, he's gone down the usual route Brazilians go down in. Only he did it earlier than most before he actually accomplished anything.

But does that mean he has mental issues FFS? Yes he was juvenile, but let's not forget that we signed him when he was just 17. At that age and slightly older we are all bound to make stupid mistakes, especially in our personal lives when we have money and fame to back it up

Not mental issues but a weak character and problems with mentality.

Errrr mental health? Don't recall saying Pato had issues with mental health? Being mentally unstable is not having a mental health issue. Suarez has both.

You know, your refusal to ever focus on potential psychological issues and the instant dismissal of them when, for example, depression is the most common illness in the UK suggests you have a total blind spot to their relevance.

Just because someone posits a reason based on observational data doesn't make the diagnosis wrong and 'baseless'.

Please stop arrogantly rejecting the theories just because you don't believe they have evidential support.

Many would argue mental issues are the same as a problem with mentality

But I'd agree, it's his conduct and immaturity, foolish errors, mistakes and misguided actions that led to his downfall.

He's not mentally ill that I know of, unless he has depression or anxiety, of course, both mental illnesses, but he certainly has psychological issues.

Which are extremely common.

Saying someone is "mentally unstable" is usually one step away from saying someone is crazy imo

Having psychological issues that effect your performance is totally different to saying someone is mentally unstable, at least for me, this is the case.

And I'm sorry, unless Suarez is proven to be "mentally unstable" any theories of the sort are without basis. His biting is pre-meditated, not impulsive. And that's imo proven by the way he tried to make it look like an accident before, during and after the biting took place. As well as how he's explained himself away

Nitpicking?

Really? Nitpicking?

Is it nitpicking when you say that someone is mentally unstable vs a player who is having psychological issues that hinder his performance?

Example: A striker who is stuck in a rut and can't seem to score for the life of him, I'd call that having psychological issues and usually once he does break his duck he is liberated. Would you call him mentally unstable for being in that rut?

If it's partly created by his own doing? Sure.

What? Are we confusing being a stupid kid with lots of cash to burn with being mentally unstable now? My god...

I think 'psychological issues' is a much better way to put it than 'mental problems'.

Anyway, Pato's main problem were his injuries, no doubt about it. If he didn't have those injuries his career would have had another turn regardless of his behavior. But it's the fact that he never truly tried to fight back, always falling down at the next pain, that really held him back.

Someone with a strong character and will, who puts football above anything else would have simply focused on that aspect sacrificing everything else in his life. Instead, Pato cared about dating the boss' daughter and going to the opera and stuff. He never showed dedication, and that's why he's where he is nowadays.

It's a shame, really. Once he was my favorite Milan player, and I had such high hopes for him.

Not just mental problems, but "mentally unstable", which is even worse. Like I said, most people use that expression for someone who's a step away from crazy and they're too polite to say it

Well I think that's subjective as he had muscular injuries, you can play through the pain with certain injuries but with muscle problems once you pull up there's nothing you can really do, especially for someone like him who had so much acceleration.

I agree that when he was injured he should have been more focused and kept his eye on the prize but what's done is done

And we're back to nitpicking.

Seriously, some call it "mental issues", some "mental problems", there's probably dozen of other labels we can throw into this psychology discussion.

My point stays however - yes, injuries started the whole Pato problem. But nowadays it seems to me that is is beyond just injuries and that mental/psychological/behavioral issues do create a negative pattern.

Don't want to start the whole blame game but it did not help having Ranaldinho at Milan at the time and his night life antics..

Not nitpicking, and I notice you didn't say mentally unstable and that's my issue. Danny called Pato mentally unstable, that's not the same as having mental issues or problems that effect his performance.

Pippo is spot on, you're nitpicking to absurd levels. I know semantics are important for precision, but your obsession with differentiating between 'mental issues' and 'mentally unstable' isn't productive.