Sorry kurt and danny but I had to delete both of your posts.

Repost anything you want to reply to dru and his opinions on Pato but any further insults of this kind will not be tollerated on this forum. We've had one too many problems with this in the past and we've turned a blind eye to them but the mods have all decided for zero tollerance on this isue.

If this persists a mod will take further action against anyone who resorts to such petty namecalling

when did I ever say or knock $h!tlegri for playing him out of position?

Let me break it down for you:
1) Allegri benched Pato when he was fit because he preferred iBra and Robinho up front

2)The only reason Pato got to contribute to our scudetto season (scoring the same amount of goals as iBra mind you) was because of iBra's ill temper getting him the red cards...otherwise $h!tlegri would have gotten rid of him in 2011

3)Sometimes I wonder just how injured is Pato if we are supposedly shopping around an injured player and we have so many alleged buyers waiting.

4)After Anderlect game Pato complained about not getting playing time and was mysteriously sidelined thereafter. I had a suspicion that the time out THIS time was not injury but punishment from the $h!t one.

5)Pato misses a penalty...gets booted off INSTANTLY...other players underperform for MONTHS and $h!tlegri doesn't even bat an eye....


Yeah yeah I'm an idiot etc....... But answer me this :

how would you feel if you were a young up and coming hot shot working and training and a manager doesn't like you and decides to bench you??? Yeah yeah he was injured but so is Robben and Robin Van Persie...heck even Messi. Pato has the talent to be mentioned in the same breath with these guys and his stats still speak for themselves BUT he needs a lot of care and support to get there

EVERYTHING I've seen and read, from the instant benching after the pen miss to Pato's own comments about Allegri not communicating with him seems to indicate that I'm right.

There are some mentally AND physically tough players who can get there on their own and then again, there are some that need a little coaxing. $h!tlegri was never the coaxing type. It was always sink or swim with him and while that's not bad in itself, because a coach's job is to obtain results at the end of the day, it has the downside of missing out on fantastic contributions from the players that need that extra bit to produce.

I guess we'll hear Pato's side once he leaves Milan

We can still read kurt's post as quoted in dru's post

You're right!

And now he's quoted Danny as well...

Dru you're making my work hard here...

I'll just edit the naughty bit out

Basically, it's okay with dru doing it, but as soon as me/Danny do anything of the sort it gets jumped on. Bingo.

Precisely why I did it. I wanted to see if I'd get away with it while Dru does.

Apparently I don't.

Seriously wondering where/how we can get a pacy, skilled, young striker who is also a decent dribbler and an EXCELLENT finisher for whatever pittance we receive for the duck

Don't forget 'injury-free'.

Are you serious with this kurt?

You basically call him a retard every time you address him FFS! Calling Allegri sh!tlegri is not the same as directly calling a member on this forum a retard! I would expect better from you.

@ Danny. I know you never resort to this. But zero tollerance means zero tollerance, no matter who is doing it

You think it's ok to repeatedly use 'faked' expletives as long as they're aimed at anyone bar members?

I think you're possibly letting your feelings on Allegri blind you to Dru's blatant disregard for credible conduct.

I have some silly names I use for ex-Milan players I hate, Jack will know one or two I use. But it's not acceptable to use them on here.

Far less for current Milan personnel.

As far as I am concerned, any foul-mouthed abuse of anyone involved in Milan should be stamped out.

It's not in the spirit of the forum.

/rant.

+1 and gay too. Our players seem to be undone by the fair sex.

The duck, like all birds seemed to have been overcome by Barbara's....er....er...kitten
Then there's Melissa, who Satta-ed all over Prince's shooter and now he can't shoot as well as before

In conclusion





I rest my case

So anyone saying so and so is cr@p or played like cr@p would also be under fire by that analogy, becaus if that's the case then everyone here would get banned at some point or another, especially with the way the team is currently playing

It's different when directly insulting someone you're speaking to on the forum. Dru will tell you himself that he's got into trouble in the past when he's done this as well.

And if you think that it's because it's Allegri so it's ok with me that he calls him sh!tlegri, then you're wrong. Do you think you'll get into trouble for calling an ex-milan player a silly name like dru uses for Allegri or the ones he had for Ibra prior? The 2 situations are not comparable

....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willian_Borges_da_Silva

Interesting....only that he joined Shaktar for $19 Million and OMG he's OLDER that PATO....you mean there's life in a player after 23??

Pato is STILL only 23 and one of his great short comings is that he has failed to be a Messi or CR7 yet.

I hope you understand that my sarcasm above is not directed against you in any way but against the stupidity triad of:

Mr Massimiliano Allegri - Insecure charlatan n00b who seems allergic to talent

Adriano Galliani ¢wise and £ foolish

Silvio Berlusconi - Taking his (miss)management of the country to Milan

Winter transfer funds to be spent on Francesca Pascale's fake tan and boobjob while Pato gets replaced by someone that will make the entire forum do this:

I do call him a retard after he insults me yes. This is the first time I've directly insulted him first and you kick off. I don't take sh!tlegri personally, mostly because he is on block and I can't see his posts. But I've seen his posts when people like JB have quoted him to point out that he's been insulting me unprovoked.

No, it's not the first time, it must be the third time or so if you ask me.

No, you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said. I specifically said namecalling. Saying Pato or Boateng is playing like cr@p is quite different to calling one of them a stupid insulting expletive name based on your opinion of them.



No I don't, and that's PRECISELY what I am objecting to. I don't want stupid namecalling to be allowed - it's so immature and beneath us. I have an expletive for Pirlo but I don't use it on here as I'd prefer decent chat on a forum like this. So I will always refer to past and present Milan players (and tbh everyone else) as their actual name, rather than an undignified namecall.

I don't think I am the only one with this opinion Han.

I decided on that because last time this happened all the mods agreed to stop overlooking these issues. In this case you were the one who stepped in it first so I had to delete your post.

And I'm sorry, but resorting to calling anyone a retard is just not acceptable.


I also said saying player X is cr@p.

That's the same as making some silly name up. But honestly, do you feel that it is the same to call a player - who's getting paid millions or coach who is also earning millions and will never read this - sh!t or whatever as being the same thing to me directly telling you that you're a retard and stupid? Let's not try to play it dumb for just the sake of it. It's just not an acceptable thing to say and it won;t be tollerated any longer on this forum. Whether it's coming from you, me or god himself.

I don't condone name calling at all but I sympathise with Danny and kurt. I find dru's conduct and manner of posting to be frustrating, juvenile, and often shameful. I don't think his disrespectful pet names and thinly veiled homophobia have a place here.

Although I sometimes find dru's opinions interesting and unique enough to provoke thoughtful discussion, I agree with the above statement. And rather than wanting dru to be kicked off the forum or punished, I'd like to see him put more effort into meeting us half way. Dru, I like hearing your point of view on different subjects, but I don't enjoy the constant drama your bring to the forum. Do you think this is something that you are interested in addressing? Especially this homophobia issue. I don't know what your system of thought is, but you are disrespectful about gays that's not OK with me.

^^^^

This up here is something that should be left for PM imo, in fact all of the above discussion should have been left in PM...

I'm just saying, personal attacks of any kind will no longer be accepted from anyone.

+100.

I don't think homophobia should be left for other members to sort out with Dru via PM, it should be dealt with by the mods, surely?

I disagree. The discussion came this far with everyone chipping in including yourself out here for everyone to see and it makes sense to try and come to a peaceful conclusion together. Plus, I was reinforcing another member's opinion here and since there are many people involved, it makes sense to talk about this out in the open. Maybe we could have a thread where everyone could talk peacefully and freely about everything concerning the community of milanfan so we can stay on topic in thread such as this one.

And what's the point? This can go endlessly but I fail to see anyone here who's aware of the differences in nuances, which is rather important.

I didn't say that max should handle it himself with dru... I said this convo should be kept in private, as in ALL of it

Ask dru himself, I've been communicating with him through PM.


Actually I said why I deleted both posts and kurt and Danny chose to talk to me on the forum instead of contacting me over PM.

Like I said to kurt, I talked to dru over PM, he can confirm this himself. And I don't think a thread where we discuss other members out in the open is such a good idea.

Sorry Han, you're now rather playing the victim of circumstance. You started this nonsense by censuring selectively to which me and Kurt objected, then made no comment about the discussion requiring private discourse and continued to publicly talk about it.

Now suddenly we're the bad guys because we didn't PM you? Why didn't you PM us?

As you can see though, we are not the only ones who object to this silly and insulting namecalling, something you probably didn't bargain on previously.

I'm not attacking you personally, you're a good guy, and we've discussed many things on good terms - you're definitely one of the better ones around here.

But, to coin a phrase, you've made a bit of a mess of this.

I think rules require altering - if any of the mods have the power to alter the code of conduct, we should have agreement as to what changes are needed, then implement them.

Almost every other day I'm witnessing arguments, strong disagreements and even name-calling here. OPENLY discussing other people would be an upgrade, but that was not my point. I have an idea for a thread for constructive and open discussions about any given issue that concerns the community. The issue regarding dru's remarks on homosexuals has been ongoing and concerns multiple members now. And those are only the ones that spoke up. Again, I ask that these discussions be peaceful, open and with the intention of being constructive and of course under the same regulations as the rest of the board.

But I also see your point and I understand that such idea is wholly reliant on the maturity of every individual member to make it work. But something has to be either modified or improved so we can all feel understood here. Just like Danny mentioned above, somethings should be up for discussion. They don't HAVE to be implemented. But we can at least discuss what changes we would like to see and so on. From what I know so far, this is a good community with good members and that includes dru in my book. EVERYONE has disagreements, even fights. It's natural and to deny that is in itself unnatural. What matters is how we deal with it. What matters is the solutions we come up with to grease the wheels a bit for a better "ride" while we are here. You often accuse Allegri with being a rigid tactician. Well, I ask you isn't there room to be a bit more dynamic here regarding all of this? So we can all feel like we are part of the discussion and our opinions matter? Rather than privately discussing each other through PM's and secretly resenting one another?

I think there is lots of room for improvement and we shouldn't close the doors to new ideas. We can listen and even put things into vote.

First of all I'd like to apologise to anyone that thinks I have been homophobic or antagonistic in any way.

When I say things like "no homo" etc....I'm really being tongue-in-cheek and satirical of the way entertainers use it without realizing that it casts further aspersions about their sexuality. I am not and have never been hateful to ANYONE. Actually I've seen some posters actually get that I'm kidding around (majority of the time) and I get a laugh or two. This pleases me greatly and I only want to improve the mood of my fellow fans.

When I realized that my first nickname for Ibra (iHomo) was that offensive to the majority of the forum...I duly stopped. To me it was silly and funny as hell because it is a play on ibraHIMOvic to IbraHOMOvic. Don't particularly see where the supposed homophobia is and those photos of him and Pique just made the joke better IMHO.


RE: Silly nicknames....really is this REALLY such a sore unbearable point? To me that seems to be rather petty if such INTENTIONALLY silly names which are called juvenile are such a BIG issue. So I call Allegri "$h!tlegri" and ManUtd Manure etc.

But apparently my juvenile nicknames etc are enough for the likes of Kurt and co to now directly insult me personally and that's ok with ppl. So really who is the childish one here?

I have often and WILL always disregard kurt's support of Milan. It's not ME that openly displayed his AVFC paraphernalia. If you're perceptive enough when you read his posts there is a clear pro-English bias. There's nothing wrong with that of course, but I simply can't take the opinion of someone who is so blatantly divided in his loyalties seriously. Is that really so bad?

But the minute I question his loyalty he and his cavalry come down on me with personal INSULTS. Of course I have responded in the past. Calling someone out on HIS own personal allegiance to ME doesn't constitute an insult....especially is the latter flaunts it as kurt has. However calling someone a retard/idiot etc to ME is an insult, which is against the forum rules. He is also a terrible liar saying that this is the first time he's struck first. HE USUALLY STRIKES FIRST (ESPECIALLY OF LATE) AND I CAN PROVE IT. Actually the fact that he keeps directing his cr@p at me while claiming to have me on block and that I don't matter is proof of his devious deceit.

The thing is a LOT of posters here constantly post with pro-European/ pro-white bias all the time and as a black non-European fan it's easier to see. Posters on this and other forums routinely stereotype black/latin american players and it's OK....it's always some nonsense about them being "lazy", "mercenaries", "glory hunters" etc etc

Think I'm lying or being oversensitive?? Look at the type of abuse Seedorf has gotten over the years despite consistently being better for us than Pirlo. Heck Pirlo left Milan dishonorably and he STILL has his fans here and even in the San Siro itself....far more than Seedorf at any rate.

I find the same disgustingly biased posting on this forum all the time and I usually turn a blind eye to it because I'm here to have fun and joke around with my Milanista brethren. However it's irritating to see the scathing criticisms players like Pato and Robinho constantly get by posters like kurt, while Pazzini is admired somehow. This all goes back to the image that the white European player is "honest", "humble" and more "hardworking".

I am human too and there things annoy me as well. But to pick at each and everything a person does will make ME the immature juvenile. All I ask for is some tolerance for people that aren't EXACTLY like you

Dru, believe it or not you're one of my favorite posters. always enjoy reading your posts even when I don't agree with them (EDIT: OK, maybe not "always" but 90% of times I do). and you're making some valid points here...

So mods, he's basically labelling some of us xeophobic/racist, do you care to do anything about this? Or is saying that without proof completely fine.

The irony being he's treating my differently for being "different" supporting my local team, repeatedly asking me to go and "find a Leeds forum" (not sure why Leeds, but whatever). This has been from day 1 and he's jumped on my posts at every opportunity with his immature insults and attacks on my character.

Yes dru, you were on block and I replied to you when I saw your posts (attacking me, no less) through others quoting them to defend me (JB, Danny, etc.). Obviously I've had to unblock you through this issue to see what garbage you throw at us. Now you play the race card, hilarious.

As for tolerance, I've showed you the same tolerance you've shown me since day 1 - none. From the very first days you appeared on this forum you always accused me of things, with this Leeds obsession and as you've even said in your last post you dismiss what I say. Why should I, in return, show any tolerance toward you?

So dru has basically labelled people on this forum racists in his previous post. Would it be too much to ask him to make a list of people he feels that way about with proof? I personally don't think it's acceptable to call me as such when I know full well I am not. I think he either needs to show proof of people being racist or apologise, because I think an attack on ones character is no better than an attack on their intelligence. But seeing as dru always gets away with it, despite hans warning of clamping down on insults, I fully expect nothing to be done.

I completely disregard anything you say and do from now on...from a deceitful (see bold) hypocritical annoyance you have successfully evolved into perpetual oblivion for me. You say your piece and I'll say mine. It's basically a free forum and there's no way you should be more free than me. I'll let the mods decide from now on who is really the troublemaker.

I'm not playing any race card. I'm not accusing you of racism. I'm just saying that TO ME there seems to be a lot of racial bias in your and other posters' opinions. I'm just expressing my own take on the actual posts I've read. I have never reported you or any one on any forum ever so I don't see how you can accuse me of complaining to management.

Just do me one small favour please. Have nothing to say to and about me and I will duly return the favour. thanks

I find it amusing. From someone who calls me a liar, it sure is funny to see you continually reply to me despite saying my opinion means nothing. But keep coming with the personal attacks please.

And yeah, saying me and others have a racial bias and that we treat certain races differently in the same as calling us racist.

The whole 'racial bias' accusation is absurd.

Well if you wish to continue this, here goes...

A mess of it?

I saw posts with the words retard, single brain cell, stupid etc, etc and I deleted them, I put a notice saying why for both you guys and the posters who might have already read the posts you and kurt posted. Simple as that. It's how these posts should be handled as per the RULES of the forum.

Victim of circumstance? I have no need to hide anything as I wasn't the one throwing around insults... You had a problem with me deleting your post you could have replied through PM but you didn't and posted on the forum, which I then got sucked into replying back to your post. Simple as that.

@ max I think you can see above why such a thread would cause trouble Yes people are constantly arguing about certain points in regards to the team, and the rules need to be discussed and altered completely but the mods here have their hands tied because of certain circumstances that I do not wish to go into here.

@ kurt and dru. I seriously do not understand why you 2 try to get under each other's skin so much. Neither of you is innocent so both should stop trying to play it as such. kurt, this time you're in the wrong, dru never directly talked to you and you came in with the retard comment.

PS @ Danny. I know you're a great poster here and have never resorted to such posts before but because of the stand we had to take I felt like I also had to include you, no matter if it was your first time or not. Like I said, it's not the ame calling a player or coach some silly name to directly offending another person on this board.

I wasn't the one complaining we were discussing it old friend, you were



But we were objecting to his namecalling of Milan personnel - and THAT'S what I was testing - the discrepancy between calling Dru a silly name and him calling Allegri a sh*t. Same thing imho.

The rules need changed - do you agree?



I had no issue with my post being removed, you did the right thing. I had an issue with you not removing Dru's nonsense in tandem though. Hence 'selective censuring'. You're the one complaining we didn't go to PM, not us.



It's not the fact you included me, it's the fact you let Dru away with it. Is it the rule in your mind and that of others that all insults that are not aimed at board members are 100% acceptable? I know freedom of speech is vital but I can't abide posters smearing Milan players and managers with insults.

For me, it is the same thing. End of the day someone is being called an insulting name. It's actually worse to do it to a Milan staff member as they cannot defend themselves - people on here can.

I still argue the rules need badly amended to bring them up to date.

Otherwise silly nonsense like this will hijack threads in the future.

I can't quite believe the hypocrisy here. Not only are you the one slagging off half of the Milan staff you dislike with derogatory insults, but you're slagging off others for, in your mind, doing the same? While playing some bizarre race card? I've been here for years and never seen a hint of racism.

This is actually utterly and totally ridiculous and I fail to see a single hint of validity in your argument.

You cannot have it both ways.

Like I said, I have no problem continuing this here as I wasn't the one throwing insults around.

No you weren't! I really hate how you've turned this into some sort of intentional test that COINCIDENTALLY both you and kurt tried to play. I'm not stupid. You both replied to a post that he made which was a reply to someone else, you said that he was stupid and kurt went on a tangent from out of nowhere about dru being a retard. I'm not stupid here. I know how the conversation went down.

As for the rules, yes they do need altering big time. But like I said to max, the mods here have their hands tied on that matter.

I can never agree with you when you say that someone directly calling another member of the board a retard is ok if calling a player a silly name is the same thing and should be punished equally. It's just ridiculous. Yes there should be some censoring of bashing players and coaches but it's certainly not the same. Complete different sides of the spectrum. People here are calling X or Y cr@p on a daily basis. I myself have been guilty of doing so in the past, but I never call any member here stupid or a retard. That is crossing a line. BIG time

I have no idea if Kurt tried to play it, but I meant what I said while also curious if I'd get away with it. It was both a test and a genuine comment.

Because, and the irony is I've forgotten what it was even about now, his comment made him look like an idiot. And I felt like seeing what would happen if I said that.

As you know, I never resort to name calling. Hence surely the 'out of character' nature should have alerted to you that the post was not 100% kosher.



You can't edit the rule thread?



Retard is over the top - I agree on that. Some comments are retarded, but a retard is too much.

As is calling Max Allegri a sh*t.

Sorry, but if you think both are not the same then your judgement is biased.



So if I see a preposterous comment (like Dru's race shenanigans) I am not allowed to call those comments idiotic? I didn't, but I would like to know the boundaries.

I'd really like to know what is actually allowed and what isn't.

look bro if I'm not wanted here I'll take a hint

This forum was fine without me and will be a GREAT place without me. I think too many ppl are against me now and I'm not here to cause trouble. If you guys want I'll leave or significantly reduce my posting here to the point you'll forget I'm here.


I say what I truly believe in my heart but I won't stay where I'm not wanted.

Where did I say I didn't directly insult him this time? I just said he does it without any response from yourself. I do it, you step in.

You can call any of my favourite players sh!t and I still wouldn't delete it. I think you're building your bias argument because this directly relates to Allegri who everyone knows how I feel about him. So you think that for me it's ok and I even enjoy it when he's called names. But in reality I'm not going to go around deleting and giving a warning to everyone who says player X or player Y is sh!t because I could be here until next year (get it )

We're all reading plain text here. I can't interpret everyone's posts and read between the lines of what people are trying to say. And it sort of irks me that you would expect that of me. I read your post calling another person an idiot and felt that it shouldn't be left there, just like I felt that retard and single brain cell or whatever kurt said shouldn't stay there either.

Also, saying that someone's comment was idiotic and calling someone an idiot are completely different things. Sometimes I see idiotic posts all around the board, me being guilty of posting some myself, but I never call anyone an idiot. I debate that comment, and maybe that debate also gets heated but I never cross that line of directly insulting someone. I hope I'm explaining myself well here.

As for the rules. No, I can't just go in there and have at it. First of all there needs to be someone who will amend all of them, make them more clear, etc. They need to be agreed upon by all the mods, and most importantly mike has to be to one to approve of them and post them himself. It can't just be my or someone else, hence the problem


You and dru have had it in for each other from day one. And we've never taken any significant action against either of you in the past over your little arguments. But last time it happened all the mods agreed to not let it continue any longer no matter who does it. Had dru been the one to do it first I would have had no trouble deleting his post as well.

Yes, you did say you were in the wrong this time, but because it's you who started it this time you're tellinng me that it should have been looked over because this is the first time you instigated it? Am I getting that one right?

Now imagine Galliani coming out and saying 'we wont sell Pato, hence he will be our new signing' .. Drama pushed to a screeching halt

I didn't even know who he was on day 1. It's he that started with the insulting and accusations, that's the only reason I knew of him. First of all I took the step of putting him on block, but then people were quoting him insulting me, what the hell am I meant to do? I don't care if it is the internet, I'm not a fan of being insulted - and more recently, being called a racist.



The opposite, actually. That he's been allowed to get away with it for so long, unpunished.

Nuh UH! He didn't call him 'sh*t', he called him a sh*t.

You seem to be continually misinterpreting this on a possibly deliberate basis?



Maybe you do, I don't care. But I do feel the issue wouldn't have arisen related to anyone else?



See above.

There is a difference between calling someone sh*t and 'a' sh*t. And the latter is what these names mean. If you give a nickname to player:

For example I call, for the sake of the argument, Pirlo 'C*nto'. I am not calling his ability c*ntish, I am calling him a 'c*nt'. Simple as that.

And that is exactly what these nicknames are doing.

And you know it.



Han, you have the power. Unfortunately it is your job to grasp intention behind the comment - that's why you're a mod. Mods and admins have to make intelligent judgements on posts because moderation is supposed to be fair. Usually mods and admin get promoted because they are able to have balance and not be blinded by personal prejudice; and are subsequently able to figure what the intention behind a post is. Now, this isn't expecting you to be psychic - but if someone who NEVER namecalls suddenly does so, it doesn't take rocket science to figure something may be amiss.



Yes, very - the problem is you're being hypocritical - you see the difference between the two there but seem to think insults to people (whoever they are) are different. You're spot on in one context and miles off in the other.



Why not? You say it's Mike this and that, but I have to say he doesn't run the forum. He owns it, and is a good guy, but he doesn't run it. If you have the technical ability I doubt he'd 'fire' you for making amendments which the forum as a whole agreed on.

Do you have the technical privilege to edit the rules? Yes or no?

Ah yes, this thread is actually about Pato

I'd love to hear that from Galliani to be honest!

Yeah, I could imagine that.

Actually kurt dru has been punished in the past, ask him yourself if you don't believe me


Well then, you're interpreting a nickname one way while I interpret it in another way. sh!tlegri for me is saying that Allegri is sh!tty at his job, which I tend to agree with considering that I've said this probably a million times now. Calling Pirlo a **** is different, because we all know what you're referring to (his behaviour and such) and I also tend to agree with that because he has been a right old **** since he moved to Juve, even if he is one of my all time favourite players for Milan. When dru had that stupid nickname for Ibra, ihomo or whatever it was he called him he came under fire for it and stopped using it. Because no matter the player, that was insulting in a general manner, not because of Ibra himself.

I'm not misinterpreting anything, I know what you're saying, and if that's the case then I should be deleting me own post because I have been harsh on the Allegri issue. Search a bit through my posts and you'll find that I've been guilty of doing so And I'm sure Allegri will go home crying at night holding his 2.5m cheque at the end of the year because I call him some stupid name on a forum. Yet you think this is the same as me directly calling you a name... Ok then, no more calling players and/or coaches a sh!t/sh!t, and all the other million adjectives used here on a daily basis... Just doesn't make sense. If you're so hurt by dru calling Allegri sh!tlegri I can delete any future use of that word simple enough, but I still don't feel it is anywhere near the same as calling someone a retard and an idiot.

As for me reading between the lines of your posts, I won't answer to that because now that's just being ridiculous. Like I said, I saw the word being used there to directly insult another member and deleted them. I barely even looked who wasd doing it to who.

Mike is the admin and all the mods do feel that it would be better if the rules were in fact posted by him. Yes, I can go and edit any rule I want if that is what you're looking for, I'm sure mike won't have any troubles with that, if that's what you think I'm worried about, but that's not it. Me just chaning a rule won't do anything. Writing a few words won't fix the current problems. The current rules all need to be removed and new ones need to be written. And I meyself or any other mod won't just do that on our own. We've been talking about this for a while, any other mod would confirm this, yet it hasn't happened yet