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Fillipo Simone
You two make both great remarks and posts, and both have clear points,...

Lets make it a tie,.. wink.gif
Costacurta
There are countless customary tales regarding signing young south americans touted somewhere by someone as the new R9/R10/Kaka Pele whoever.

Not least, see Real's dimwitted and frankly typical purchase of Robinho and Julio Baptista. Big money spent, huge expectation on young players-unrealistic frankly, so much so that in their case Michael Owen, a forward of infinitely better quality considering that he scores goals (when not injured) was pushed out.

Yet lets face it. Both Baptista, lumped off to Arsenal, and Robinho, probably doing step-overs till the cows come home but failing to put the ball in the back of the net very often are failures. Money, indeed, faith, misplaced.

However, I get the impression Pato might be a bit different. He seems to be playing a huge role for a 17-yr old, and at 10 Million Pounds could be a costly gamble. But in just 3 years time, he might be worth 3 times that. And more come 23/24. And at least that is 10 Million for what could be a players entire career in theory, not the last 3 years of it. Now that sounds good value for virtually any 1st division player. In addition, Milan are hardly the club to be counting the pennies. We've just won the CL! Frankly 10 Mil should be a snip.

Personally I would therefore go for him. Set a limit of what we are willing to pay, but bid upto it.

I would also do the same with Adriano. He blatanty wants out, he has proven talent, it's just a case of harnessing it. We know Inter can't do that. But we know we have discipline in Milanello. And the promising signs from Ronaldo show that we should be able to turn Adriano into the devastating goal scoring machine anybody knows he could be.
Costacurta
Oh, may I also lend my support to the view that Nesta was absolutely irreplaceable for us in Athens. I do not say that to do down Inzaghi in any respect whatsoever.

Just, as far too often happens, all the attention is on the goal-scorers, not goal-stoppers. Inzaghi rightly got lots of attention.
but Nesta deserves masses of praise and recognition for a display which befitted his rightful, though, increasingly less held place in the past few years, as the world's best CB. I thought he was sheer genius. I watched in awe.

Billy has a fine heir as world's best CB!!
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 02:45 AM)
Keep in mind .. I have already stated that the strength of our squad was the strongest in 05. Also keep in mind that the reports in the calciopoli proved that Moggi had made life much easier for Juve to take the title(s).
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Again: what does this have to do with what I said?

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 02:45 AM)
If you think otherwise .. That is your opinion.
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... which is not inferior to yours!

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 02:45 AM)
There goes your theory
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What theory? I never said that solely purchasing players will bring you titles...

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 02:45 AM)
His expense would be taken care off by Berlusconi.
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That's not the picture of a healthy organization, it's a picture of a healthy president... yet, you seem to have no objection on Silvio spending 70m on Ronaldinho but you consider spending 2m more on a player we desperately needed a compromise...

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 02:45 AM)
This landmark that Milan reached last season is something that falls mainly on the management
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Absolutely NOT!! ohmy.gif

We just don't share the same opinion! Simple as that...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:10 AM)
Again: what does this have to do with what I said?
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That I agree the team was stronger in that year .. But due to Moggi, we never stood a chance.

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:10 AM)
... which is not inferior to yours!
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Nope king.gif

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:10 AM)
What theory? I never said that solely purchasing players will bring you titles...
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Well your tone seemed to show that ..

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:10 AM)
That's not the picture of a healthy organization, it's a picture of a healthy president... yet, you seem to have no objection on Silvio spending 70m on Ronaldinho but you consider spending 2m more on a player we desperately needed a compromise...
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No, it has nothing to do with the organization of Milan. You brought him into the discussion. I never intended too.

And what if I was to object about the Ronaldinho-Silvio idea .. What am I gonna do about it ?! rolleyes.gif Just as much as you are gonna do about the clubs transfer policy cool.gif

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:10 AM)
Absolutely NOT!! ohmy.gif

We just don't share the same opinion! Simple as that...
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Finally, he gets it biggrin.gif

p.s. .. I thought that was the reason why we broke up our engagment tongue.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 05:20 AM)
That I agree the team was stronger in that year .. But due to Moggi, we never stood a chance.
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So... a team CAN keep their basic XI invariable before a CL Final or not?

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 05:20 AM)
Well your tone seemed to show that ..
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And you posted so many wink.gif 's that for a moment there I thought you invented the wheel...

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 8 2007, 05:20 AM)
And what if I was to object about the Ronaldinho-Silvio idea .. What am I gonna do about it ?!
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And what are you gonna do about a missed penalty kick? Nothing... you'll still be pissed about it though...
dst
And don't bring our engagement up again... that was YOUR fault pig!
Tennie
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 7 2007, 10:20 PM)
p.s. .. I thought that was the reason why we broke up our engagment  tongue.gif
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Really? I thought it was because R7 stole dst's framed photo of Seedorf's @ss. devilsmiley.gif
dst
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 8 2007, 05:35 AM)
Really? I thought it was because R7 stole dst's framed photo of Seedorf's @ss.  devilsmiley.gif
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Ha! I have that on a poster... cool.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:27 AM)
So... a team CAN keep their basic XI invariable before a CL Final or not?
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Not necessarily .. It depends on the situation. It depends on who you are playing against before the final. It depends on several factors. It also depends on the target(s) set by the board.

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:27 AM)
And you posted so many  wink.gif 's that for a moment there I thought you invented the wheel...
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laugh.gif ... Only found one of them .. ops like 8 of them. Still, they were misleading biggrin.gif

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 05:27 AM)
And what are you gonna do about a missed penalty kick? Nothing... you'll still be pissed about it though...
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Red paint dry.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 8 2007, 05:35 AM)
Really? I thought it was because R7 stole dst's framed photo of Seedorf's @ss.  devilsmiley.gif
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She (she was the female in this relationship btw tongue.gif ) blew that @ss into a poster .. That sick little ...
Bluesummers
LOLLLLL, i love how this topic is no longer related to pato but its super responsve.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 8 2007, 06:51 AM)
LOLLLLL, i love how this topic is no longer related to pato but its super responsve.
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But it is related to Pato,..you see, Pato is in the middle of all the discussion,...only that he`s of minor importance,.. cool.gif
Fillipo Simone
Back to the basic`s of,...

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Berlusconi studia Pato: "E' bravo"
08 07 2007
Il presidente del Milan Silvio Berlusconi avrebbe "studiato" davantri alla tv il primo obiettivo del mercato milanista, il 17enne brasiliano Pato. Berlusconi, a quanto pare, avrebbe seguito in tv il Brasile nel Mondiale Under 20, definendolo "bravo".
HasanHasanly
huh.gif wtf is going on at Via Turati? Some meaningleß news on official web, no news from papers/webbies, not even dumb rumours from tribal(!!!).
I hope that Fester and Galliani are not working hard on the pretty box that they are going to put our present in, but instead are off to buy the present.
Warchant
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 8 2007, 12:51 AM)
LOLLLLL, i love how this topic is no longer related to pato but its super responsve.
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exactly...back on topic

Pato has not impressed me at all in the u-20 world cup. i don't know if he's been distracted by all this european news about him, but he is definitely not living up to the hype.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Warchant @ Jul 9 2007, 05:51 PM)
exactly...back on topic

Pato has not impressed me at all in the u-20 world cup. i don't know if he's been distracted by all this european news about him, but he is definitely not living up to the hype.
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Last time I watched he scored a double...what happened?
MizNelson
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2007, 12:12 PM)
If we had lost the Athens final .. Buffon would be our keeper and Dida would be sold. The week before the final Buffon was keeping his options open and was very sound about it
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You really think so? What if the match had turned out the same way minus only Pippo's two goals and we'd lost 1-0 (Kuyt)?
xcube
humm pato he's good player but i think hes too expensive and need more time well if milan took him they will loan him to other team and wait till he learn how to play in Seria A then they get him back, so i think he need time right now
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (BMWTaylor @ Jul 10 2007, 04:26 AM)
You really think so? What if the match had turned out the same way minus only Pippo's two goals and we'd lost 1-0 (Kuyt)?
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Ur point is ?
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 10 2007, 12:06 PM)
Ur point is ?
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I think she's trying to say that Dida had an excellent game in Athens so why would he be replaced if we had lost (and he still had an excellent game)?
han2503
Wow this page jumped so much from the last time that I checked it I thought we had bought him or something. Then I check and it's a dst vs R7 showdown.

Which was quite interesting tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 10 2007, 03:38 PM)
I think she's trying to say that Dida had an excellent game in Athens so why would he be replaced if we had lost (and he still had an excellent game)?
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@BMWTaylor .. Now I get it tongue.gif ..

Well, It was just how things were going .. Buffon wanted out, but suddenly after the final, he declared his allegance to Juve ..

Now, answering what dst explained .. I think, again, it was just how I precieved it. I mean, IMO, Dida is the best Gkeeper for us. I don't want anyone else, atm. But, had the 'team' as a whole lost that final. There was going to be a lot of changes, and part of that change was Buffon .. So, as u can see, I have nothing bad to say about Dida, cuz in my eyes he is the best wink.gif
Jack Sparrow
^^^

Why u always got to hit on the ladies man?? huh.gif
Rossoneri7
Just trying to keep the ship steady Capin wink.gif
Portman
We should keep an eye at the 19th yo attacking-midfielder Renato Augusto from Flamengo. Not only Alexandre Pato.
Portman


Press in Italy, Brazil, Spain, half-world today say that Pato's agent was in Milano yesterday to meet Milan directors.

Milan, Inter, Chelsea and R.Madrid are the ones fighting for Alexandre.
Jack Sparrow
Well duhh....Pato vs Anderson...I know who the folks gonna see....Pato and Ronal and Dinho (Brilliance Porty!! king.gif) heh heh...we're gonna so outshine Man U.
Warchant
sign him

he may not turn out to be the greatest soccer player to ever live, but he will definitely end up being a really good player.
Portman




Gazzetta and Corriere today. Basically saying the same I stated above: "Milan close on Pato".
Zed.D
Good news... I want him, for whatever it costs!
jbryant1
Yeah Pato is a definite yes in my book. With an environment like Milan he will become another Kaka.
Warchant
good to hear!
Portman
QUOTE
Pato-Milan, la benedizione di Leonardo



14.07.2007 16.22 di Francesco Battaglia    articolo letto 7134 volte
Fonte: Tuttosport

L'edizione odierna di Tuttosport riporta il parere espresso da Leonardo sul giovane fenomeno brasiliano Alexandre Pato, seguito con attenzione da tutti i grandi club europei: «Pato ha appena 17 anni e ha giocato un solo campionato nella serie A brasiliana, dunque piano con i giu­dizi. Tuttavia ha ampiamente dimostrato di essere un ra­gazzo promettente. Ha personalità, perché malgrado la gio­vane età ha saputo conquistarsi il suo spazio, sia nell’Inter­nacional di Porto Alegre sia nell’Under 20, e si sente già pronto al grande salto. Tecnicamente, non gli manca nulla: ha il destro, il sinistro, il colpo di testa, si muove bene ed è veloce. Tatticamente, è un attaccante puro: una prima pun­ta che in Italia può fare anche la seconda. Fisicamente, non è ancora “ finito”, né potrebbe esserlo: c’è da lavorare, però si parte da un’ottima base. Quanto alla persona, è un ragazzo che sa usare la testa, con una positiva voglia di fare. Ora de­ve compiere il definitivo salto di qualità mettendosi alla pro­va in una realtà più difficile: ma ha tutto per riuscirci ».


Leonardo, our director, saying a lot of good things about Alexandre Pato:

"He's only 17 and only played 1 season in the brazillian first division.
"But he's already a great prospect. He already got his space in Internacional de Porto Alegre and in Under-21 Brazil NT
"With tecnique (doesn't miss anything on that field), plays with right or left foot, heading, knows how to move in the pitch and it's fast.
"He could be a striker in Italy although he can play as second-striker too."


I really hope Pato comes to Milanello. He's really young and improving with his idols: Kaka', Ronaldo, plus all the Brazillian/Italian core would help him a lot. He won't have language problems in Milanello too.
kurtsimonw
With all the attacking players we've been linked with, he now looks most likely to join. Which is a very good thing! I'm just hopefull we do what we can to sign him, and don't just give up at the first sign of difficulty.
Portman
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 15 2007, 01:52 AM)
With all the attacking players we've been linked with, he now looks most likely to join. Which is a very good thing! I'm just hopefull we do what we can to sign him, and don't just give up at the first sign of difficulty.
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Same here.

Born in 89 you don't have many world's top youngsters:

-Alex Pato from Brazil
-Gio dos Santos, from Barcelona
-Carlos Vela (Arsenal) from Mexico too
-Adu from the USA, maybe?

But again, Pato isn't even in Europe and already known as the hottest prospect in South America at his age. OK, he beat Pelé's record scoring a goal in a FIFA competition at the age of 17... but still.

I really hope he signs, altough we're facing Chelsea, Inter and R.Madrid competition.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 15 2007, 02:28 AM)
Same here.

Born in 89 you don't have many world's top youngsters:

-Alex Pato from Brazil
-Gio dos Santos, from Barcelona
-Carlos Vela (Arsenal) from Mexico too
-Adu from the USA, maybe?

But again, Pato isn't even in Europe and already known as the hottest prospect in South America at his age. OK, he beat Pelé's record scoring a goal in a FIFA competition at the age of 17... but still.

I really hope he signs, altough we're facing Chelsea, Inter and R.Madrid competition.
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Me too,...

But, we don`t need a player born in 89, speaking in general.

I`d be happy with a 27 or 29 year old one,..
Portman
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 15 2007, 02:32 AM)
Me too,...

But, we don`t need a player born in 89, speaking in general.

I`d be happy with a 27 or 29 year old one,..
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I know it's still a kid but hey, Milanello and this club could give him what he needs to be one of the greatest soon.

He won't be THE SS we're looking in the market for sure. Just like Kaka' when we bought him. It's not "TO PUT IN THE TEAM IMMEDIATLY" like if we're buying a Ronaldinho or Eto'o. It's to grow and mature in the club and he'll get his chance sooner or later.

Again: he's not the world's best player. He's the hottest prospect in the world, at his age.
Jack Sparrow
I agree with Porty here.

Barca are sitting on a volcano of talent with Messi and Dos Santos.

We have Kaka and Gourcuff.

I still want that striker people are gonna watch out for. And a full back. How I wish Grimi will be like the next Carlos or something.
Zed.D
I can say the transfer window's biggest disappointment for me could be Pato going to Chelsea, Inter, R.Madrid, etc. I want him in Milan... that's all I want!
Portman
QUOTE


Roberto Mancini about Pato and Milan-market, yesterday:

"We were the first club to be interested, two years ago when nobody knew him. But it's very difficult to get him now but I believe he and his family would find everything fine in here. For Pato, Inter would be the ideal club.
I do not know if in the end he will go to Milan but I believe that they'll do something in this market. A big-name is what I expect.
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http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?a...n=read&id=67535


So, even Mancini expects a world-class player coming to Milan... rolleyes.gif
Zed.D
"we were the first club to be interested in Pato"... "we were the first club to be interested in Eto'o"... "we were the first club to be interested in Suazo" blah blah blah!

They're probably gonna come out and say they were the first club to be interested in Kaka!

What are they trying to prove? it's not a matter of being the first club to be interested in a player, but it's a matter of signing that certain player at last.

I hope we will have the last laugh at Inter by signing Pato, Eto'o/R10 and even Chivu!!
armiss
they were those who found Pele at first
they were those who found Maradona at first
they were those who found van basten at first
they were those who found Gulit at first
they are everything



they had so many times but they dont get it
Darunia
Okay.. let's assume we do sign Pato. We still need a 4th striker for the first half of the year.. any ideas?
Tennie
Willy!
KillerMax
QUOTE (Darunia @ Jul 15 2007, 10:40 AM)
Okay.. let's assume we do sign Pato.  We still need a 4th striker for the first half of the year.. any ideas?
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Ba.
Jack Sparrow
what tennie says Willy. Or we can play Favalli. He was more effective than Oli in scoring wasn't he?? wink.gif
misha
QUOTE
Inter appeal to Pato

Inter boss Roberto Mancini wants to win everything this season and believes Alexandre Pato is the man who can help them get there.

“This squad is certainly stronger than last year. We have come off an extraordinary campaign and begin with the same objectives – Scudetto and Champions League,” said the Coach.

Many believe it will be tougher this year without the Calciopoli penalties holding some clubs back and of course the return of Juventus.

“We have already won the Serie A title and hope to do so again this year, but not because Juventus are back in the fray. It would be important to repeat ourselves, there is no other reason.”

Inter’s transfer activity is not yet complete and Mancini sent out an open invitation to Brazilian Under-20 sensation Pato – also in negotiations with Milan and Chelsea.

“I don’t know much about the talks with Milan, but we have been tracking Pato for two years. He was very young the first time we saw him and not many people knew him. He’s a smart boy and knows leaving home could cause problems.

“We will see what he decides, but he is aware that at Inter he could find a family-oriented environment where he could become a real star.”

The Nerazzurri’s other major target is Cristian Chivu, although today President Massimo Moratti announced they were pulling out of the race for the Roma defender.

“Chivu is a player we tracked and wanted. The negotiations were a little tricky, we’ll see how they end up,” explained Mancini.

“I understand that at a certain stage the President got tired of it, but this doesn’t change the fact Chivu is an excellent player.”

Roma accused Inter of unfair tactics in trying to tempt Chivu away with a £3.7m per season contract, but the tactician denies anything untoward.

“I did not call Chivu personally, I only rang Pavel Nedved. That’s the truth!” he smiled at this revelation about the Juventus midfielder.

“I called him because we were teammates for three years at Lazio and are friends. Perhaps a few people forgot that. I called to get information on a Czech player, Radoslav Kovac, that we were interested in. I also asked if the rumours were true that he was thinking of retiring. That’s all we discussed.”

The phone call prompted front page headlines claiming that Inter had asked Nedved to come to San Siro if he failed to agree new contract terms with Juventus.

This obviously increased the already existing tension between the two clubs in the wake of Calciopoli.

“There will certainly be rivalry on the field and that will be cranked up in the days before our games. I don’t think it was normal, what happened a year ago. Now we’re all back to square one and must have the same sporting rivalry we always did between two big clubs.”
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 15 2007, 06:20 PM)
but it's a matter of signing that certain player at last.

I hope we will have the last laugh at Inter by signing Pato, Eto'o/R10 and even Chivu!!
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I know I'll be having the last laugh biggrin.gif tongue.gif
Jack Sparrow
I'll keep laughing till we win the double...tongue.gif
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