When, exactly?

So you'd be willing to give one of the world's best young talents to Real or Chelsea because he's suffering from constant injuries now that will most likely as you say won't trouble him so much in 2 to 3 years times. So we lose Pato while Madrid get him now for probably half of what he'll be worth in the future and he gives them his best peak years. While we lose him because we can't be patient.

Pato hasn't even hit his peak years, which would probably go from 24 to 28, injuries aside, when it comes down to it, he delivers the numbers every season. So I'll choose to be patient and let his body work things out on its own. He's still basically a kid jumping down his throat won't help anyone.

What really irks me about you saying that you lost faith in him, is that just yesterday you said you had blind faith in Robinho, someone who hasn't given any Milan fan any incentive to truly believe in him

When you said It's not like he was doing any good when he was playing either.

Which is what caused this argument to begin.

You're thinking too much ahead of time. It's true, Pato represents the future, but also the present. It's not like he's 18 anymore. But if we still wanna count on him as a young and promising prospect, like Inter are doing with Coutinho, then I'm fine with it. I just thought that by now, Pato would be a world class striker demolishing defenses like very few in the world. Perhaps I overrated him, my bad.



And I think I said that for a player of Pato's calibre, scoring 5-6 goals against low-table teams should never be good enough. I'm not questioning the value of the goals, please, but Pato's overral performance so far (including goals, assists, plays, game impact, everything), which hasn't been impressive, at all. On the contrary, it's been a massive let down. At least for me. But like I said, maybe I overrated him.

Coutinho is younger and imo at that age Pato showed a lot more promise. Also 21 might not be as young as 18 but in football terms, especially in Italy, pato is still a baby, and let's not forget that when he came over he was still considered as the unknown kid, now defenders mark him tighter, usually he's trying to go past 2 or 3 players on the wing.

I expect big things from Pato just as much as you do, and I'm disappointed that we're once again losing him for such a long period of time, but I'm prepared to be patient, even more so this season since we have enough depth to cover for him

Yes it's not good enough, but it's not "no good" either.

When I said "no good", I meant this season, which, let's face it, between injuries and poor performances, has been a let down so far. Those six goals don't change much, at least from my point of view.

In general though, Pato has done important things, but I believe we can all agree that it's not good enough.

Sometimes it is unbelivable how defensive you get when it comes to Pato. Just have that in mind when someone jumps on Seedorf, Ambrosini or Pippo next time.

Anyway, I still wait for a big Champions League match for Pato.

Are you serious? Forgot the Real match? (previous season)

Oh of course, the referee cancelled the goal for no reason.

Group stage games are friendlies. The true champion shows himself when business gets real, and that for Pato translates into the Arsenal games, ManU last season and all the derbies he's played so far.

I didn't say this, by the way, but some Italian journalist who always bashes Pato, and whom I hated for it. But now I can see some truth in his words. At least, until the blessed day comes and Pato proves us all wrong.

Against ManU he wasn't fully fit or so? At least one ManU game he didn't even play, right? Against Inter we were awful as a team.

He will show it.

The same can be said about you and Seedorf/Pippo, you know...



Friendlies or not, he scored 2 (3, actually) against Madrid last season and helped us win our first ever game at the Bernabeu. now it may not be THAT big a deal, but you were full of praise for Pippo for doing the same thing (maybe a little less, offside goal).

Double standard.


When he scores goals against Madrid, it's just a friendly. when he plays poorly, he sucks and has lost it and all. I mean, LOL...

Also Dinho won us a derby, and everyone knows what you think of him. keep contradicting yourself, buddy.

Pato's career is starting to resemble that of Ronaldo, where it is plagued with injuries.

Come back soon Ale

Double standards? What are you talking about?

Seedorf, Inzaghi and Gattuso have up till now achieved more then Pato did. Sure, Pato is a kid and could possibly outshadow them. But - what the hell are you talking about???

I mean, Pato is barely touchable here. Guys, I love Pato very very much, I just say that he ain't treated like the rest. But you will understand that when/if he reaches 33 or 34.

Pippo scored his 70th goal, I cannot belive you're making a parallel with it. Pippo became the sole of this squad, he is a motivator and inspirator. What standards are you talking off?

Criticizing Pato doesn't exist in Zed's world, Fillipo. You should know that by now.

Bah, this has nothing to do at all with what I said. I hope you just didn't understand what I meant (and didn't pretend to not understand). forget it.


Hush.

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You got defensive about Pippo and all (and yet accuse me of the same about Pato) when in fact I did say nothing to downplay the importance the what Pippo did against Real (seriously, what were you thinking explaining those things to me?!)

You say Pato hasn't had a big CL night, I think he did have one where with his brace we won for the first time in our biggest European rival's backyard. you don't agree? I don't care. you don't I don't care either. so let's move on.

Man. I don't know why you take my post so sour.

I never said I don't care. And yes, this was one big match. But you and me both know what I ment. Sure, that night counts, and we won against Real. But I'm talking about a consistant CL form, and maybe a few good displays in knock-out phases. How many matches did he play in CL and how many times did he score?

To turn the story a bit - I don't belive you think this forum threats Rino, Pippo, Ambro or Seedorf similar to Pato. Pato played most of his matches this season above expectations, yet every single attempt to say this instantly gets blocked with a few "Pato is great" or "Pato won't stop scoring when played as CF". While on the other hand - Ambro gets injured, comes back, scores, yet does not get the praise. Same for Rino or Seedorf. You cannot say that Pato criticism is similar to the criticism Seedorf and Ambro get with the words "go retire" or "finished and useless".

Pippo is another thing, you'd have to be demented not to praise Pippo after the two goals he scored.

Guys, the fact Pato has scored only 2 goals (both in one game) in 12 games in Champions League leaves no room for debate, really.

What's the debate BTW?

That's why I asked for the stats. Thank you

That Pato has been a huge flop in the Champions League, so far.

That's kinda harsh. It's more like Milan as a whole has been a huge flop.

What a coincidence

Apparently Pato has returned to Milanello and has been working in the gym. He's definitely gonna miss the game against Brescia. I don't want to rush him but I hope he can be back against Bologna or Roma.

They said 6 weeks..? it'd be great if he was ready for the Roma game, but I certainly wouldn't rush him knowing how vulnerable he is when it comes to muscular injuries.

Indeed. We can manage without him I guess, but...this remimeded me on that tramendous goal he scored against Roma. Really miss him.

Is it the training regimen? It's the only explanation for this sudden rash of muscular injuries.

We don't need him. Sell him to Chelsea and sign Balotelli.
































j/k

Cheers, for the heads up! Can't wait for him to be back (hopefully for an extended period this time).

I'd rather they rest him until after the winter break. I want to make sure he is completely healthy so he can be there for the more important CL games in the 2nd half

I'd say the same thing, but the last couple of games against Roma, he was very good in them.

If fact I was just about to say that, seriously. We don't need him, we need someone who can help us to archive our goals. Not someone who can play only 10/50 games. I have no doubt about his skills, but he's not helping us.
Please Berlusconi sell Pato and buy Balotelli and Montolivo.

Heck no. I want that boy to learn to hustle. If Robinho can learn it, Pato can.

Montolivo? That ship sailed a long time ago...I remember how everyone here screamed how good he was. Just an overhyped and overrated midfielder with a decent shot.

Oh no, Zed will kill you!




+1

Balotelli just got off the IR himself didn't he?

What's the IR?

Injured Reserve, sorry I think you guys typically call it just an Injury List right?

We don't keep lists either. He's either injured or he's not. Our players are not some names on a sheet. They're living, breathing human beings with feelings dammit!!!!

He's not overrated. In fact he's very good midfielder and I'd like to see him in our midfield.

Oh yeah? Soon he'll be 26, still tied with Fiorentina and without any real good match against Milan, Juve or Inter.

I agree with Fillipo. Montolivo is mid-table squad material. If we signed him, he'd prove to be a flop, just like Gilardino.

Montolivo? NO thanks!


Too expensive and not enough bang for the buck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoTcoA4AlIE

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We're already off topic

Well, youtube compilations can make about anyone in the world look like a extra-class player. Still, means little

Ok, that's your opinion.

That video is also very outdated

nice video but I can show you a pirlo video that makes him look like the man who invented passing. His overall average for the last 3 seasons have been around 6-7, which makes him on the same level a 2010 pirlo. If were going to invest that much you might as well go for andrea Poli who can do exactly what he can at the age of 20.

Montolivo at 25 for 15-20m E is not worth it. Better options in Italy and europe.