Why Pato has every year at Milan injury the same time? Winter...before CL play-offs

yeah, and we really needed him at the derby game

Him...Nesta...Zambrotta and mighty and healthy Seedorf

Is Pato fit for the next game??? Any one have any kind of info???

Probably not fit for the next game, Dzeko -- there was a note on the club website last week that he'd be out another 2 weeks or so -- but presumably for the CL game coming up.

Dang we lack shaprnest in attack that Pato give to Milan squad, i hope he will be git for Man U. game...

Get that wisdom tooth pulled out

Oh great forumers of milanfan.
I, the great drucurl come in peace
Permit me to ask thee a n00b question:
Dost thou thinkest Pato is most effective on the right, in the centre or as a support striker.
Many thanks in advance my adoring subjects
Yours truly,

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*prostrates before the high and mighty Dru*

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this yet, but after Inert's win over Chelsea, a bunch of losers torched a Pato poster at the Piazza del Duomo in Milan.

Personally, I think they'd be better off burning Julio Cesar's driver's license.

It was mentioned in the cl thread, miz.

The Pathetic Ones...

Criticism all you like for his work-rate, but so far he has 14 goals to his name with 10 games to play. Last season he scored 18 in all competitions.

And despite missing 2 and a half months of action due to injury he's currently 3rd in the scorers table with 12 goals.

And all this in a season where some keep talking about how off-form he's been!

He does not do much when he does not score but that's not because he's not on form I think, it's because he has not learned how to cope with always being closed down by 2 or even 3 defenders.

True, if only he does so much more. He could've gotten at least another 3-4 goals.

Google translate:




No muscle tear > good news.



And it is a FACT!

I'd add for clarification purposes that according to the above, the exam showed a pull to the hamstring, no tears, and that he'll have another exam Monday.

Also, there's already speculation in the Italian media that he'll be fit for the cl game.

Thanks for clarifying that further.

I'll be more than happy if he makes the bench for that game. he could come on as a golden sub!

AC Milan Confirm Alexandre Pato Out For Seven To Ten Days

Funny. they've quoted the announcement and nowhere in it is the recovery time mentioned. where did they get it from?

GOAL.COM SUCKS MAJOR BALLS!!

(but not those belonging to Locke's donkeys)

I'd guess it's their guess that he's out a week because he sustained the injury on a sunday and is having a follow up exam 8 days later.

rahter miss the Roma game then Man U ?

(Surely not!)

No, they're saying "Milan have confirmed he'll onlly miss 7-10 days". the announcement never said that. it just said there'll be another test on Monday. he could be given all clear for the Man U game by then or be told that he'd have to sit out another couple days or something.

Yup. Which is an example of why goal.com is...not reliable.

Pato will most likely rest this one out, as a precaution, I'd rather he be there on our slim 'very slim' chance of advancing in the CL. Plus, he'll be at tip top shape to do damage. This, considering most of our stars will be a bit lacking from the Roma game

even is Goal.com is reliable or not. I hope Pato plays agianst Man U

I can't deny the goals he's scoring - I guess he's just not the kind of player I expected him to be after last season.

I thought we had a pretender to the Messi crown of dribbling and control, where he could weave his way through multiple players with electric pace and produce something at the end of it.

Whether that was a flash in the pan, or whether he's not been able to cope with more pressure on him I'm not sure, that side of his game is nigh-on gone.

Don't get me wrong, to be left as just a really exceptional goalscorer is no bad consolation, and he's invaluable to us, but there's still a part of me that expects him to play like the potential of last year, and when he doesn't, I am inevitably disappointed.

Kaka had the same problem in his second season. In his first season he was electric and in the second when Serie A defenders were sticking to him and double teaming him he struggled a lot more, but he adapted to the tight marking and tough tackling and got on with what he did best. I think Pato is sort of experiancing the same thing, last season defenders were more worried about kicking Kaka and Dinho (when playing) they forgot about the young kid, this season he's getting a lot of tough treatment from defenders, he's getting fouled a lot more, defenders are marking him a lot more tightly so he's finding it harder to make those dazzling runs and tricks he used to pull of so easily.

If you put Messi in Serie A he wouldn't last a week. Put Pato in the La Liga and he'll do what Messi does week in week out easily. The two leagues are completely different, so you can't compare a player who plays in La Liga to one who plays in Serie A, especially since Messi has been around for longer then Pato

@ Danny

I completely understand that. personally I'm happy as long as he keeps scoring goals cause I know his other abilities which have been rather nonexistent this season will be back sooner or later. IMO talent cannot be a flash in the pan.

And comparing Pato to Messi is so completely, completely unfair. for pretty much the same reasons han pointed out here:



If you've watched Argentina's Messi you probably have seen he just can't do what he does in La Liga there simply because La Liga is dribblers' heaven. their defenders give you so much space to do whatever you want it's ridiculous. and their defensive abilities are certainly not as good as as Serie A defenders'.

Messi wouldn't last a week in Serie A? No way, he'd take some time to adapt but c'mon its Messi. He would be pretty influential no matter where he plays.

I think it was about Messi the dribbler not Messi the influential player (see the bit I've quoted below). a goalscorer can be influential as well, like Pato is. and when I look at Messi's performances for Argentina (like against Germany a few days ago) or even some of Barca's CL games, I can't disagree with it. as I said, La Liga is dribblers' heaven!

Watch Barca's game vs Almeria tonight (edit: and this, of course ) and you'll see what we mean.

Like Zeddie said, I was talking about the dribbling and dazzling runs. Messi would eventually adapt as well, just like Pato is still adapting.

Pato will have some tests tomorrow , and hope he'll be ready for Manchester Uniteds clash.

The reason I admire this kid a lot is the fact that amidst all that hype and at such a tender age, the kid had the balls to carry an offensively weak team. This season has not lived up to the promise though. I hope Old Trafford changes everything.

AC Milan Star Alexandre Pato Racing To Be Fit For Champions League Duel With Manchester United


source : goal.com

Great news,to say the least

So what do we know about his latest injury?

Injury after injury really isn't good for someone so young. I can't see him having a long career if he keeps this up.

Injuries are holding him back. if he'd seen some continuity this season he'd have been a[n even] better player now - good enough to force Dunga to pick him for the the World Cup ahead of that overweight Adriano (still, he has 12 goals in 20 games, and remains our top scorer *rolls eyes*)

I don't think it's him who's terribly injury prone though. more like it's our medical staff, fitness coaches and MilanLab that suck. too many injuries have happened to too many of our players. it's just not normal.

MilanLab is overrated.

As far as I have read, MilanLab have no call on the players being called to the team. Milan Lab's famous system basically predicts a probability for injury. So Meerseman (?) can make a suggestion that Player X has a chance for an injury. He cannot categorically state that the player not be played, that decision is upto the coach and the staff. So it's quite possible that Pato wasn't really fit to start and we were desperate.

Second, from what I've read and perhaps Bluey will know more, as a coach Leo's training involves a lot more ball work, as opposed to Carlo or Jose who splits a lot of time between physical and tactical work. I think the training levels and physical conditioning also have a lot to do. And if your training doesn't focus as much on physical conditioning, then it's going to affect you a lot over the season's course.

Bluey, thoughts?

The problem with injuries dates back to way before Leo came... it's something else IMO.

We've had injuries that were mostly expected. Dida's back, Maldini's knee, Nesta's back. The rest of it was your usual strains and pulls. And they were all mostly the old players.

THis is weird. Very strange. And I don't think our staff have changed that much since the days when injury was not a problem. And it's not like physios etc go through periods of bad form or complacency either.

The players will still put in the appropriate ammount of physical work, we have supposed 'professionals' who make up the schedule of how much physical work should be done in every training session.

And it's not just the old guys who were getting injured a lot Jack, Kaka couldn't recuperate from his knee until he went to Brazil to consult the NT doctor, same goes for Ronaldo and his muscle strain before busting up his knee again. Bonera is another player that would classify under the youngage group of our team but he spent last season out and most of this season. It's an ongoing list of screw ups by our incompetent medical staff

And yes at the end of the day the medical team will be the ones advising Leo whether player A is ready or not to play a game and how much minutes he is ready for. Leo doesn't just decide on a whim to play a player that is still injured because that's what he wants.

Milan Lab is another thing, it's for predicting injuries, you're right about that, but when the injuries do occur the medical staff turn a minor injury into a full blown chronic injury in a matter of days

I didn't see the latest Pato incident, as it was an early morning game for me here and I was just waking up and tuned in just after that, and the Napoli goal. Hamstring injuries can take a long time to fully heal, so my guess is that he was rushed back too quickly. The best thing now is to hope we can keep our position for the next few weeks and hopefully he, like Nesta, will be able to return for those final tough 3 matches.

Lieven Maesschalk - Physio/doctor (belgium)

Jean Pierre Meerssemen- Surgeon/doctor (belgium)

Massimo Manara- Physio/doctor (italian)

Danielle Tognacini- Fitness Program Coach (italian)



These people are essentially responsible for our famous Milan Lab. There are alot more medical staff but these people run the show.


When a player gets injured this is the order the healing process takes place in:

Merse (analysis)-->Maesschalk (healing)-->Manara (strengthing)--><-- Merse (analysis)-->Tognacini (match fitness)-->Leo(training)


Now in theory with our top training facilities and our top medical staff, we should have no problems. However, we do and here is where the problems lie.

When players get injured, we tend more to use methods that are able to make the player return to match fitness asap. They may not always be the best methods or the safest, but thats what we have done. We have done that with Kaka for years.

Everytime he had hurt his knee, we had treated it about 50% and then threw him back on the field. As you have all seen with this method its a double edged sword. It helps us in the short run but can backfire in the long run. Now I don't doubt Pato is being treated the same way.

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In regards to your question jack on fitness. It really doesn't make a difference as they are both equally effective.

Leo does not design the fitness program, Tognacini does. Leo might say he prefers one way to another and Togna will design it according to that.


I'll give you an example:

Get a group of 6 people and set up a grid of 20x20 yards. Play 3v3 possesion games with the objective of 10 passes is 1 point.

Play 4 min, rest 2 min.

Do this for about 5 reps.


A few days later:

Do some running drills like sprints with a similar work:rest ratio. Run 2 laps, walk 1.

See which one gets you tired faster.

Some players tire faster in the first drill as they dont' have as quick agility or ball skill to keep up so they have to do twice as much work. Some players can't keep up in the running drills as they don't have the physicallity to handle the severe stress of anaerobic excercises.


Which one works better for our players? Who knows. Only a person on the inside who sees daily training sessions would know,.

Are you an MD ? Because, I'm not sure if what you stated was a fact or just a hypothesis on how you consider the show was being run.

Also, reading through your post, I get the feeling that these players are machines and not human beings who have physical limitations.