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Rossoneri7
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 18 2007, 03:17 PM)
@R7... I know what you mean. I'm not expecting an immediate impact from him either. but a lot of football experts have followed him over past two years and I'm sure they know better than me and you when they say how good could he be. otherwise they wouldn't label him as Brazil's greatest talent of the future wink.gif
It's not like that. Messi had a very weak body and yet he's at this level because he has incredible technique. I know he has improved a lot since two years ago, but he still doesn't have a spectacular physique.

The same goes for Pato. he has a far better condition right now than what Messi had in two years ago. Messi is 1.70 cm tall while Pato is 1.80 and could still grow tall since he's just 17. so I really doubt Pato could suffer from physical weakness.

Anyway, I agree he may struggle with mental problems, but that's completely normal for a 17, or 18 year old and nothing that couldn't be improved or fixed. I'm saying playing with Ronaldo and Kaka will give him the confidence he needs to fit into the team. and I'm sure he'll handle it very well, not from the very first game, but sooner than you think. like Tassotti said, it's a risk, but worth taking.
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Great post king.gif

I agree, with many of ur points there .. But, Messi isn't exactly a player that might succeed in Serie A. He has a weak physique ..

What I ment was, look at Kaka' when he first arrived at Milan. The slightest of touchs would bring him down. Look at him now, he can take on 3 defenders in Serie A. This kind of revolution, by the help of Milan Lab, took 2 years.

Pato, is somewhat the same as Kaka' at the beginning. There is no question Milanlab have the experience to transform Pato into a powerful player. But, as I said above, this takes time.

Another issue is his level of experience and as dst said, tactical awarness (mental ability) that he needs for Serie A and CL. Cuz, Joga Bonito can be implemented in La Liga (Messi) and Brazil (Pato) more effectively than in Serie A or CL. Cuz these two competitions tend to play a closed game, where you rarely find space to do all your tricks. And in that sense, he would need at least 1 or 2 years till he gets the big picture and is ready for such competitions.

But no doubt, he shows the potential and I would rather Milan sign him than anyone else.
Portman
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 18 2007, 01:07 PM)
I just think you can't put all your hopes on one kid, Arsenal bought Walcott who was meant to be an amazing talent, now look at him...
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Walcott is from 89 too. 18 yo. He'll have his chances in L'Arsenal. There's no rush. He's a big talent - I think everyone can see that.

Messi is 20 btw. Who was he at 18? A good player in the Argentina U-20 NT and in Barcelona Primavera. Nothing more.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 18 2007, 04:23 PM)
Great post king.gif

I agree, with many of ur points there .. But, Messi isn't exactly a player that might succeed in Serie A. He has a weak physique ..

What I ment was, look at Kaka' when he first arrived at Milan. The slightest of touchs would bring him down. Look at him now, he can take on 3 defenders in Serie A. This kind of revolution, by the help of Milan Lab, took 2 years.

Pato, is somewhat the same as Kaka' at the beginning. There is no question Milanlab have the experience to transform Pato into a powerful player. But, as I said above, this takes time.

Another issue is his level of experience and as dst said, tactical awarness (mental ability) that he needs for Serie A and CL. Cuz, Joga Bonito can be implemented in La Liga (Messi) and Brazil (Pato) more effectively than in Serie A or CL. Cuz these two competitions tend to play a closed game, where you rarely find space to do all your tricks. And in that sense, he would need at least 1 or 2 years till he gets the big picture and is ready for such competitions.

But no doubt, he shows the potential and I would rather Milan sign him than anyone else.
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Good points king.gif

Well, nobody expects from Pato to come and produce like Kaka. of course it takes time to adapt, but I see no reason for him to fail in doing that. we sometimes forget he's just 17. he'll have plenty of time to adapt to Serie, gain experience and improve a little bit form physical point of view. I expect in a two-year time he'll be ready. and I expect him to be a star for our team in the next 15 years!! devil.gif

Is he coming for sure after all? or we are just kidding ourselves with Pato dreams?! rolleyes.gif
Rossoneri7
IMO, Pato is a done deal for Milan. I mean, if Leonardo convinced Kaka', then I believe the same for Pato
fresh_prince7
I also rekon the deal is done, but I want to just see it done to know the talent is coming to milanello. We definitely have to keep him in the squad, cause has to develop under the wings of the greats ar milan. I think thats the best chance of him developing quickly, and also bringing him off the bench in games for 10-15 minutes. You never know he may just adapt naturally as kaka' pretty much did.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 18 2007, 01:51 PM)
IMO, Pato is a done deal for Milan. I mean, if Leonardo convinced Kaka', then I believe the same for Pato
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Yeah I've read around a bit and it's being said by a lot of people, hmm I just hope he's good then king.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 18 2007, 11:49 PM)
Yeah I've read around a bit and it's being said by a lot of people, hmm I just hope he's good then  king.gif
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Me too wink.gif

Anyway, we have to wait about six months. personally speaking, it's a very long wait... sad.gif

I hope they confirm the deal one of these days at least....
whoarethepatriots
If Leonardo has recomended him then i am definately in support of his move
Portman
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 18 2007, 09:46 PM)
Me too  wink.gif

Anyway, we have to wait about six months. personally speaking, it's a very long wait...  sad.gif

I hope they confirm the deal one of these days at least....
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I think he could come now. We just have to give his father/mother a job in Milano or so.
FCPorto did that when they bought Anderson (now in Manchester United).

But I believe, IF we sign him, Milan will let him stay until December in Brazil.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 18 2007, 11:41 PM)
But I believe, IF we sign him, Milan will let him stay until December in Brazil.
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And that would be for everyone the best solution:

-we all agree that we cant expect a immediate impact from Pato
-he will have more "practice time"
-and most important, that would force our board to make another signing..
fresh_prince7
Will the transfer be made official during this transfer period or will they come upon some sort of formal agreement and make it official in january..
Zed.D
I hope they make it official within the next forty days...
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 17 2007, 11:16 PM)
Off-Topic: Bristol eh? I'm going to UWE Uni in September if you know it and living in the centre as of September, place any good?!
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I live on the outskirts of Bristol in a little village. There is quite a bit of nightlife in Bristol and there has been a major regeneration including changing the centre, so once it's a complete it should look good. Your best bet though is to trawl Whiteladies road in Clifton as that is where most students hang out. PM me if you need any info smile.gif

Back to topic:

I really hope we can get Pato as he seems a very promising player + I trust Leonardo's judgement cool.gif
Portman
OK. Pato doesn't stop.

Arrive in Brazil after the U-20 World Cup and already scoring.
Internacional 3-0 Corinthians. He scored 2.

Watch the goals here: http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/...91-4276,00.html
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 19 2007, 01:44 PM)
OK. Pato doesn't stop.

Arrive in Brazil after the U-20 World Cup and already scoring.
Internacional 3-0 Corinthians. He scored 2.

Watch the goals here: http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/...91-4276,00.html
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I must say I've never seen anyone that good at his age before. BUT I won't get excited about somebody who has no experience or haven't proved themself in Europe. From South America to Europe is a HUGE step up, but he has time to make that step.
Portman
Il Messagero link him with Inter, again. rolleyes.gif

http://www.ilmessaggero.it/view.php?data=2...l&type=STANDARD
Zed.D
I fear Inter do a Suazo to us again... what if Pato end up at Inter after all?
sansiro1708
^^dont u say that boy realmad.gif
Zed.D
hey, I want Pato in Milan as much as you do! but I can't help thinking about it! I fear they have the last laugh over us once again.
Portman
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 19 2007, 04:08 PM)
I fear Inter do a Suazo to us again... what if Pato end up at Inter after all?
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He'll be a Inter player by then.

Ibrahimovic, Suazo and now Pato? It would be a shame for our board.
Zed.D
@Porty

Maybe I'll support Inter in that case!! sleep.gif
Portman
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 19 2007, 06:03 PM)
@Porty

Maybe I'll support Inter in that case!!  sleep.gif
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My favourite football-player wears the Nerazzurri shirt, and almost sign for us last season. He scored more than once against Milan this season.

You don't know how it hurts. sad.gif
redbabies
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 19 2007, 03:58 PM)
Il Messagero link him with Inter, again.  rolleyes.gif

http://www.ilmessaggero.it/view.php?data=2...l&type=STANDARD
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WOW!

They say: Great players try to take the best of the opposition mistakes. Thats what he did in his second goal king.gif
Warchant
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 19 2007, 12:08 PM)
My favourite football-player wears the Nerazzurri shirt, and almost sign for us last season. He scored more than once against Milan this season.

You don't know how it hurts.  sad.gif
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crespo?

if so...i also fill your pain
sansiro1708
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 19 2007, 01:08 PM)
My favourite football-player wears the Nerazzurri shirt, and almost sign for us last season. He scored more than once against Milan this season.

You don't know how it hurts.  sad.gif
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dont worry about ibra ...i like him a lot too.
but pato IS GOING T BE OUR favorite player no doubt everybody in this forum are going to luv him king.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Warchant @ Jul 19 2007, 09:02 PM)
crespo?

if so...i also fill your pain
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Crespo? Nop. I meant... one of the best in the world:



cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
kurtsimonw
I think he picked the wrong picture, he obviously meant Teh Matrix. cool.gif

tongue.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 19 2007, 08:38 PM)
My favourite football-player wears the Nerazzurri shirt, and almost sign for us last season. He scored more than once against Milan this season.

You don't know how it hurts.  sad.gif
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Well... I think Zlatan is not those type of players who stay faithful to the Nerrazuri. he will leave Inter in two or three years time. I'm kinda sure of it.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 20 2007, 01:01 AM)
Well... I think Zlatan is not those type of players who stay faithful to the Nerrazuri. he will leave Inter in two or three years time. I'm kinda sure of it.
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Either him or Adriano to Madrid .. rolleyes.gif
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 19 2007, 11:31 PM)
Either him or Adriano to Madrid ..  rolleyes.gif
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There is a possibilty we could get Adriano...
Portman
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jul 20 2007, 12:34 PM)
There is a possibilty we could get Adriano...
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Nop. Moratti won't let him. That's just media talk.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 20 2007, 11:57 AM)
Nop. Moratti won't let him. That's just media talk.
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Don Silvio said he wanted Adriano, and TBH a fit and fired up Adriano, along with R99 and kaka would make an awesome front line devilsmiley.gif
Portman
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jul 20 2007, 02:23 PM)
Don Silvio said he wanted Adriano, and TBH a fit and fired up Adriano, along with R99 and kaka would make an awesome front line devilsmiley.gif
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We'd get Eto'o or Ronaldinho first than Adriano...

Don Silvio #1 priority is 10R. Always was for the past 2 years and we all know that.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 20 2007, 01:58 PM)
We'd get Eto'o or Ronaldinho first than Adriano...

Don Silvio #1 priority is 10R. Always was for the past 2 years and we all know that.
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And we'll get R10 first...

But should Adriano try to force a move wink.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jul 20 2007, 05:02 PM)
And we'll get R10 first...

But should Adriano try to force a move wink.gif
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U never know ..

He wasn't enjoying himself with Inter last season, u cant blame him too much competition.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 20 2007, 06:33 PM)
U never know ..

He wasn't enjoying himself with Inter last season, u cant blame him too much competition.
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If you were a Brazilian would you enjoy playing in a team full of Argies? tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jul 20 2007, 09:38 PM)
If you were a Brazilian would you enjoy playing in a team full of Argies? tongue.gif
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Of course ! NOT ! biggrin.gif
whoarethepatriots
Pato wont be going anywhere till January, so perhaps Ancelotti may use the xmas tree formation dependant on midfielders being fit with Kaka as the second striker.

Alternatively it will be Inzaghi or Gila partnering Ronaldo with the usual 4-3-1-2
han2503
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jul 20 2007, 07:26 PM)
Pato wont be going anywhere till January, so perhaps Ancelotti may use the xmas tree formation dependant on midfielders being fit with Kaka as the second striker.

Alternatively it will be Inzaghi or Gila partnering Ronaldo with the usual 4-3-1-2
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Don't think so.

We have Ronaldo who will be able to play in all competitions and will be 100% ready for the season's start.

But we really need to sign someone, we can't waite for Pato until January because of all the competitions we have. The squad we have will be stretched too thin by that time, and we should also consider the fact that it will take time for Pato to adjust.

He can't be our only solution, that is if we really bought him
Zed.D
If we sign Pato after all... nothing is certain yet.
Portman
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 20 2007, 11:06 PM)
If we sign Pato after all... nothing is certain yet.
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Yeah... do not forget Moratti's and his centenary-super-transfer... rolleyes.gif

I won't be surprised if it was Pato.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 21 2007, 02:43 AM)
Yeah... do not forget Moratti's and his centenary-super-transfer...  rolleyes.gif
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Riquelme biggrin.gif

That's the best he could do.
Ry4n
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 21 2007, 12:36 AM)
Riquelme biggrin.gif

That's the best he could do.
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probably unless he buys Palacio for 30 mil then his Argentine contingent will be happy more muscle for fights against Valencia.....haha stupid inter
jbryant1
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 20 2007, 04:36 PM)
Riquelme biggrin.gif

That's the best he could do.
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Riquelmes solid.

He led Boca to the championship. Took Villareal deep in the CL a season ago. Showed quality in Copa America.

I think he would be a big transfer for Inter.
jbryant1
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 20 2007, 05:58 AM)
We'd get Eto'o or Ronaldinho first than Adriano...

Don Silvio #1 priority is 10R. Always was for the past 2 years and we all know that.
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Its sad we can't make this happen with a Drogba or a Eto'o up there. Adriano would work but Inter won't give him to us we would make him a top player again and why would Moratti want that. For Adriano its a challenge to prove himself but I call it career suicide being there.
Portman
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Parla Pato: "Chelsea, Milan, Inter e Real su di me: deciderò"

21.07.2007 03.01 di Francesco Letizia    articolo letto 5361 volte

Alexandre Pato esce allo scoperto: il 17enne fenomeno brasiliano ha per la prima volta ammesso in pubblico che potrebbe lasciare prima della scadenza del suo contratto (2009) l'Internacional di Porto Alegre. "C'è interesse da parte del Chelsea, Milan, Inter e Real Madrid: ora non ho deciso ancora nulla, voglio parlare con la mia famiglia e valutare quale destinazione sarebbe migliore per me - ha spiegato il "Garoto Colorado" alla Gazeta Esportiva - Mi piacerebbe anche portare a termine il mio contratto con l'Internacional, ma non ovviamente non mi opporrei se il club decidesse di vendermi". Si apre dunque ufficialmente l'asta per la punta del Brasile Under20, 3 gol nell'ultimo mondiale di categoria: nei giorni scorsi, qualcuno ipotizzava una trattativa già chiusa con il Milan, ma a quanto pare il club di via Turati è solo una delle (quattro) ipotesi disponibili.


Pato talking:

"I know the interest from Chelsea, Milan, Inter and Real Madrid.
"I haven't decided anything yet. I'll talk with my family to see what's best for me."


Far... far away from a done deal.
Zed.D

Yes, it seems Merda and Chelski and even Madrid have as much chance of signing him as we do.

I'll choke Baldy with my bare hands if we don't even sign Pato! I thought it was already a done deal for us...

Seriously, what the hell is going on?! angry.gif it really seems that our management are on holiday...
misha
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 21 2007, 03:41 PM)
Far... far away from a done deal.
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It's depends on what more important to him. Playing in a team full Brazilians next to his idols where he can progress (Milan), or more money (all the rest).
Portman


http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/...lo/1019828.html

From Marca, Madrid's paper quoting Pato's agent: "Relax, he only wants Real Madrid."

I dunno if this is true or not though... rolleyes.gif
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 24 2007, 12:31 PM)


http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/...lo/1019828.html

From Marca, Madrid's paper quoting Pato's agent: "Relax, he only wants Real Madrid."

I dunno if this is true or not though...  rolleyes.gif
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Usual marca bs rolleyes.gif

Have they put him in the squad list for the coming season yet? tongue.gif
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