Kaká is injured every two weeks. I'm sad to say it, but the guy is done for good. Let's focus on signing a young prospect instead, like Eriksen.

Yeah and when Galliani asks Berlu for $20 mil for Eriksen Berlu will say that he isn't interested in investing in cellphone companies

But he's interested in signing crippled players. Very good.

Gosh why do you have to be so hostile and take everything so personal??
I was kidding around and making a joke based on the way we currently do business.
Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Vieri, Ronaldinho, Amoroso, Crespo, $heva part II....etc all came in similar circumstances to what I described for Kaka's re-entry sheeeesh

It seems someone is taking things personally. It's not X-Off.

So you made it up? Naah...

Some of them turned out good - I'm still proud Ronaldo played at Milan. Crespo was great, while Rivaldo was a top-notch substitute we'd play nowadays as a regular.

Back to the real issue here, I agree when people say we had rather an AM/creative problem then a forward problem. This summer should be all about it and a necessary rejuvenation.

Well said, man. Very well said!

Rumor: BARBARA BERLUSCONI is PREGNANT with PATO's baby! [Source: Diva e Donna]

No way!

You really think we'll be selling him now if Barbara has a little duck in the oven?? No wonder Silvio is asking Allegri to see Pato play more

Im too unsure on this one, selling our prized asset for 50m so early, hes only 22 and Ibra has 2 more seasons after this, tevez is 5years older too.

The only way it ll be a softer blow to sell pato, would be if we signed balotelli. Doubt we ll see in january as some people here have stated we need him for cl as tevez cant play. Lets not get our hopes up.

Like I said a million times, I wouldn't take Balo, not until he's shown a consistant run of decent bahaviour.

50 million is a huge sum, that no one would be able to turn away from. I think if that were really the case it would fall on Pato's shoulders to decide if he wants to go there. Which I doubt he'd want to in the first place. It's good money but it's the French League and he's already at a huge team with regular CL football and the possibility of further trophies in the near future

I'm a huge Pato fan, but he needs to talk less, get his head down and start producing the goods on the pitch. We've all seen what he can do if he's up for the game - he needs to find some consistency.

As others have said - 50m is a ridiculous sum, and if it's genuine, Milan will have a tough decision to make!

The voice of reason^^

Sky claims PSG offered €58m for Pato. Berlusconi is against Pato sale.


If this is true, I'd accept the deal on a breath. I'd give Inzaghi, Bonera and Gattuso as bonus

58mil??? See ya!

Silvio didn't mind selling Ricky....

Ricky wasn't banging his daugher and as it's reported his daugher Barbara is pregnant with Pato.

It was fixed like the stars that Pato's engagement with Barbera would hit us sooner or later. If Silvio doesn't accept €58 million because Pato is banging his daughter, then he can go feck himself! The guy didn't have any problems selling Sheva and Kaká for those money, considering what they represented to us.

It would be crazy not to sell him for that amount,how much could we get for him in the future?Not much more I would say.

But,Galliani has came out and sad that there is no contact with PSG at all.

Exactly my point, although he did do his best to keep Sheva but Sheva(or his missus if you want to believe that) wanted Chelsea.

I don't think Kaka was ever really one of Silvio's favourites. He was happy to keep him when he was our only major star, but took the money when it was offered from a team that Kaka, inreality, had no problems going to. Had Kaka not wanted to be sold than he would still be a Milan player.


Him banging Barbara could be a blessing for us, maybe you don't see it now but it will show in the future, I am sure of this. Pato will come good and selling him now would be a pre-mature move from our management.

Also, Sheva was the one who pushed for the transfer, while Kaka was more than happy to go to Real when the time came. The management have never pushed a player out or forced him to stay. It's the Milan way.

x-off you mentioned our forward line of Ibra, Tevez, Robs and Cassano yet you fail to acknowledge the ages of those players. Pato is our future, while all of those players (except for Tevez who isn't even a Milan player yet) are at an advanced age for a striker. I really don;t get this shift in attitude towards Pato from some of you, you'd think he missed a sitter from a yard out against Barca to push fourth such hate from you guys

It could really go either way. It could mean we keep hold of him and he becomes the beast we all hoped he would. Or he knows he's at Milan to stay regardless of what happens so doesn't see why he needs to bother trying.

I really don't believe that he's with her simply to get a free pass. I'm sure he has far bigger aspirations than being someone's arm candy for big society events in Milan.

The fact is he's still a hot comodity in Europe despite his injury troubles and could easily go to some Sheik owned team with money to throw away and get a huge pay day. If the PSG offer is to be believed he could be on a sky high salary playing in a much more forward friendly league than the Serie A. Meaning he can earn far more than he does at Milan with little to no effort if he desired.

The reason I'm fighting so hard on this issue is because I do believe he will come good. The only issue in regards to this is the injuries, not his desire to do so. Whether those can be overcome is another matter. But nothing would pain me more than seeing him do well at another team after we gave up on him so easily.

Sorry for beinging Ambro up but I have to because the situation is similar. Ambro was a very injury prone player in his 20s, he was more injured than not, yet the club never gave up on him. No there never were any mega offers for him, but still they could have easily sold him to some Serie A club but they didn't do that. Which is why I trust that as long as Pato is happy to stay at Milan, the club won't even think of selling him, Barbara or no Barbara

You believe Galliani would think twice if PSG really offered us €58 million? They haven't made the offer official yet, and that's what Galliani's been constantly saying in the last few days. He's never said "Pato doesn't have a price tag" or something similar. He even went out and said "if the player wants to leave, and the offer is good, we won't keep him against his will". Those are clear signs of someone pushing the bidder to make a good offer. Even Silvio would drool at those kind of money.

That attacking line might not be exactly young, but they're all players in their full maturities that could bring us some nice silverware for the next 3-4 years. I hardly believe not selling Pato would make us stronger in the long run. He's not a player that makes a difference on his own, like Sheva, Kaká and Ibra.

Right now he's not that, but he could be in the future.

Galliani can say whatever he likes, but in the end it is Silvio's decision and he seems to be behind Pato 100%. Galliani said that Kaka did not have a price tag either, yet look where he is now when Real and City came waving the cash at him and Silvio did not care either way imo. If Sheva had not wanted to leave than he wouldn't have been sold no matter how much money Chelsea would have offered. Silvio is clearly the one that approves such deals.

Instant gratification will only take us so far. We're still not going to win the CL unless we improve the other departments, and big money like that is rarely spent on improving the squad but rather going into paying off depths, I think we've learnt this the hard way after we thought we'd see huge overhauls when we got the money from Sheva and Kaka, yet nothing really happened. Zlatan and Robinho only came due to the opportunity they presented to Galliani because of problems with their clubs, if they had still been doing well at their respective clubs than they wouldn't be Milan players today, no matter what amounts of money we made from Kaka

Like I said, even Silvio would drool at that kind of money. Of course, if he doesn't want to sell him, then nothing will happen.

If we sell Pato for €58 million, then we'll definitely sign Tevez right now, and most probably a few necessary touches will be made in summer as well. For instance, we've already expressed our interest in Eriksen. If we get the extra cash, the more incentive to sign him. I'm not expecting us to do what Liverpool did with the money they got from Torres or what Atletico did with the money they got from Aguero, but it's inevitable that some of that cash will be splashed on the market, and some will be kept for paying off debts etc.

I'd rather keep Pato and let Robinho go if Tevez came. with Cassano out for 6 more months I don't think it's worth the risk to wait for him to come back and produce instant magic (I doubt he will be able to do that anytime soon if ever again) stick with Robinho (who's been anything but spectacular) and get rid of Pato of all the people. not to mention signing Tevez could turn out to be a mistake one way or another and in that case we could end up in a ****ed situation.

Beside that, I don't like the idea of Milan becoming a selling club more than this one bit. Sheva, Kaka, Pato and who knows, Silva could be next in the line. if we get a 50m offer for the Duck, some other rich club will put 70 on the table for Silva one day. the MGMT must resist giving the impression to other clubs (especially nobody clubs like PSG and City) that they can take our best players away anytime they want. I have a big problem with this, I don't know why most of you would be happy to let it happen...

Completely with you.

For me it's just ridiculous that we're even debating the idea of selling Pato, yet no one has talked about Robinho, or the potential disaster that could be Tevez in the future

@ x-off, you have absolutely no gaurantee that we'd be buying those players with any money we'd get from Pato's sale.

I'd rather get Tevez now for whatever deal Galliani can cook up, sell Robinho next summer and get Eriksen with that moeny. That makes a lot more sense than selling Pato.

The LB situation can be easily solved, we really don't need to be getting someone flashy, simple dependable FB from Serie A will more than suffice, and who knows, maybe given a decent run Taiwo could come good

He'll accept it if they stay together - if it threatens to cause serious problems he'll stay. Frankly family (as long as your family is decent) is more important than football, and anyone who thinks he 'should go feck himself' clearly thinks football matters more than your own daughter. If you have one.

Any father would prioritise their daughter and a potential grand child over money.

We're talking about Berlusconi here.

What about him? as far as I'm concerned he's a Don (like Don Corleone!) and they do value family above anything I think he might actually care the relationship and the baby duck.

Agreed, he might not care about the wives, but he certainly does about his children, and he also trusts them given their high positions in his businesses. I think this Pato talk is a moot point atm. He's not going anywhere as long as he's giving Barbara a good time, after all she is a director at the club atm, and has more say than Galliani as well.

And personally I feel all this talk was BS to begin with, Galliani has said once again that there is absolutely no contact with PSG, while his agent's talk of it being an enticing offer only means one thing for me, they want a new and better contract for Pato. And most of the news has seemingly died down now that Pato's comments about Allegri have been buried under new headlines

I'm not han, but what's you point?

He has multiple of those correct?


About what?

(Moved so we dont fill up match thread with Pato talk)


He gets injured every season, but often plays well and scores goals. This season he has done neither. Chievo comes to mind as a good performance and I believe he scored as well, but aside from that? He has offered nearly nothing.

I don't understand this idea I have some sort of bias against Pato. I just searched my post to find this:

My first near criticism of him this season..
Matchday 5 vs Barca - "Pato's not worked out today, Robinho got involved way more."
He came off the bench and I think he touched the ball about 2 times. And this isn't even me saying anything that bad about him, is it? This is November 23rd and it's the first time I've said something bad, is this not me giving him time to prove himself?

November 27th vs Chievo - I repeatedly praise Pato for his performance.

Decemver 11th vs Bologna - I didn't post until after the game, so no criticism from me regarding Pato. The reason I get involved? People complain that Allegri played him out of position and is ruining him!? He played him up front in a 4-3-1-2 for crying out loud. As usual, I'm not critcising Pato for no reason. I'm merely defending Allegri here, my comment was simply "People are making far too many excuses for Pato and then turning it to blame Allagri. He's had 4 shots on target this season." - Unless people think Allegri may be fining Pato whenever he shoots? Obviously people think Pato's lack of shots is Allegri's fault for some odd reason.

Next time I mention him is that I would sell him for silly money to Madrid and people jump on my back. Why is that such a horrible thing for me to say? We did it with Kaka' who was a far better player than Pato is and had proved his worth.

The next time I mention Pato is when he was criticising Allegri in the media, making himself look like a hypocrite in the process.

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This is pretty much all I've mentioned either praising or criticising him this season. I fail to see anything bad in there at all. So far this season I've not really criticised him during or after a game, I've given him plenty of time to prove himself this season. The only time I really criticise is when for some reason people decide it's Allegri's fault. I don't see where my opinion is bad at all. You'd think with all the people who argue me on it I'm talking about Zalatan here. But Im talking about an oft-injured player, who's not scoring or playing well.. and I'm the biased one?

My whole argument was if someone offered a big fee would I like Milan to accept it? To which I said:


I'm not bashing Pato or saying he's useless, or the past year or so has 'erased all the good he's done'. Which is actually quite an astonishing statement really when people on here continuously bash Sheva and Kaka for the transfers away from the club after all the YEARS of SUCCESS they gave to us.

There's too much of a bias mentality here, that's what Im trying to say. It's too easy to say "Well, we're all Milan fans", but so what? You can still see things subjectively. I crticise the Villa manager, the owner and most of the current players just as I do with Milan before anyone brings up the "Well, Milan aren't your first team anyway" shite.

I am amazed at the Kaka' hate more than anything, when you consider the club said they needed to sell him to pay off debts and such. Yet he's made out to be the villain. Crazy.

I never said it was just you, but in reality, you and a couple of others on this forum are the only ones that are really on his back atm, and I personally don't understand the reasoning behind it. Every player goes through bad moments of form, especially someone like Pato who is constantly getting interrupted due to his injuries.

I personally never blamed Allegri for his direct use of Pato, but for his midfield implementation which leaves both of our strikers isolated for long periods of time during a match. Ibra can overcome this because he can still work with measly long balls coming from deep, but that is not Pato's game. If you want Pato to be effective than give him the ball to his feet and allow him space to work in. That will not work with Urby or Boateng supporting the strikers.


I still dont get how you got me bashing Sheva out of what I said, or Kaka for that matter. What I said first was that Milan never sold their top players in their prime, to which kurt responded that the club couldn't have predicted how they turned out. I mentioned kaka's knee injuries as well as the fact that Sheva was the one who personally asked for the transfer, which is a very different situation to the club selling the player for money. These are facts of what happened with Sheva, It does not make me a hater, far from it, as I'm still probably one of his biggest fans around, no matter how he left and what happened to him afterwards. Kaka's case was different, the club needed the money, Kaka had been struggling with injuries for a while so they decided to cash in, as long as it was to Real, Kaka would have been happy. Had they only wanted money they would have really tried to send him to City, something Kaka did not want.

I've always said that that 50m would be too huge an offer to not even consider. But still the future of the club has to be considered. It's not like we've got another 24 players on the team in their early to mid 20s so we won't really feel the loss of Pato. The club has given a lot of players who were struggling with injuries chances in the past, of course we hadn't received 50m offers for them, but still, it's the way Milan do things, and I'm confident they won't give up on him just yet, he was a big investment for the club at the time of his purchase, and people sometimes seem to forget that he's still just 22 years old. Maybe it's because he's already been at Milan for a considerable amount of time and scored a lot of goals, but in reality he is still young and has the time to overcome his issues. That's why I think selling him now would be pre-mature


How is it bias if we're defending a player who has come under unfair criticism due to a spell of bad form after another long injury lay off?

In reality, everyone will defend their favourite players, while everyone will also criticise players they feel indifferent to or have no attachment towards. And don't take this as something against you because we all do it. But I feel this talk about Pato is just completely unwarrented atm.

'atm' being the keyword really. Why should we not be on his back at the moment? I will happily praise him when he plays well (vs Chievo) and will criticise him when he doesn't. He isn't playing well this season, it's not just a bad spell, it's 50% of the season nearly. That's the reasoning.


But the lineup is essentially the same as last season. If anything you could argue it's more creative with the inclusion of Aqulani. I think Pirlo missed the majority of last season didn't he and Pato was fine.

Robinho is a terrible finisher, but his performances over his 18 months in Milan have been more good than bad. Cassano has been a superb signing and Ibra has been brilliant too. Why is it only Pato of our 4 forwards that can't adapt? That's what I was getting at the other day when I said the players at the very top can change their game. Pato has yet to show me he can do this and teams can pick up on that.

Clash of the titans. Kurt and Han fighting till the death with their gigantic posts...

Hopefully acid doesn't participate in this or we could see the forums going down

The forum will run out of ink soon!

But seriously, I have more posts so my opinion is more valid than his.

Na, I'll sit this one out. Besides, most of you know my opinion on Pato, yes, the kid's out of touch, and yes he isn't getting necessary service (pretty much everyone in our midfield passes to Ibra), yes, he isn't helping his case by not showing more intent, and yes, it'd be foolish to sell the guy in the next year or two at least.

If we can somehow get a grip on his injuries (reducing them as much as possible), then the fireworks should start.

Pretty much. Mike's had to sell his house and live on the streets, due to the bill of this place with the length of these posts. He sometimes makes a couple of £ from busking in London's streets, in turn allowing him to get to an Internet cafe and visit MF from time-time.

And some of you guys wonder why he's not on much... jeez.

It'd be interesting to see who made the biggest post here in the forums. Obviously discounting the quoted replies. I think I'd rank very near the top, honestly. Some of the messages I posted were absolutely humongous! I even ran out of smilies in a few of them, hehe.

Why shouldn't we give players more of a chance than 3 to 4 matches? I am completely with you that right now he's out of form, and he's struggling. I never said otherwise. And I would accept criticsm from you, but wanting him sold simply for showing some bad form is what's getting under my skin. It's only natural for a player to suffer dips in form, they're not robots, especially Pato who gets long term injuries on a regular basis. But wanting him out due to this is what's ridiculous to me. Sure I can say he was sh!t against Bologna for example, because he truely was, but that does not mean I completely give up on him and want him sold.

The lineup is the same as last season, but what's happened this season is that Boateng is being easily pushed out of the game, as he's no longer got the surprise factor he had last season, where last season he used to make a lot of runs to become the 3rd man in attack, this season he's basically being pushed out wide for most of the game, thus Ibra having to drop in midfield a lot. Also last season we had Seedorf, who's a very different player from Aqui. Aquilani is more someone who conducts our game by always keeping the ball moving, Seedorf on the other hand joins the attack more so you have him joinng Boateng in supporting the strikers when we're on the offense.


Oh so we're back to this. Don't worry, I'll overtake you once again