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d'Arc.LP
This is 13nth injury for Pato since he started to play football.
CrazyMilanFan
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X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 22 2011, 03:06 PM) *
Confirmed: Pato out for 4 weeks


Four weeks??? FFS! I don't know what to think of this kid anymore.
arivanjj
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2011, 11:32 PM) *
Four weeks??? FFS! I don't know what to think of this kid anymore.

+1


no matter how talented he is.. he's starting to become a burden with his inconsistency and injures sad.gif.
Zed.D
Well it's been months since his last injury, should've seen it coming!

The thing is his injuries won't suddenly go away and disappear, that's for sure. if he's ever going to be like a normal footballer as far as being healthy goes, I think the span between his injuries will just widen over the time and reach a norm, like one injury each season or something like that. and who wouldn't take that for Pato!

So, this injury doesn't worry me. what really worries me is that when the next one will happen. that's the scary part.
Fillipo Simone
Months without injury? We've played only 5 official matches so far.
X-Offender
12 injuries in the last 2 years. That's one injury every 2 months. Not cool.
han2503
I really want to know what that meeting resulted in, because what Galliani said is very worrying imo, and it doesn't reflect well on our medical team. Pato's first 2 seasons at Milan he was injury free, these injuries started to flair up after that, it doesn't make sense, and yes, you do have to question what they did to make him bulk up the way he did in such a short period of time.

Our medical team has had a lot to answer to in recent years imo. Kaka's knees, Ronaldo's knee, Serginho's back problems, Bonera's back problems, Nesta's back problems, etc, etc. All injuries that we were told over and over a deadline date for when they'd be back, and it's set-back after set-back for all those players, Kaka and Ronaldo went as far as to seek a different oppinion from their NT doctors...
Fillipo Simone
Yes, I think a re-evaluation in that segment is necessary.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 23 2011, 05:47 PM) *
Yes, I think a re-evaluation in that segment is necessary.

Whta happened to the famous milanello medical facility, Milan lab? Our medical department is becoming a joke. Are they cutting costs from that area? rolleyes.gif
d'Arc.LP
Pato’s injury report

CHU-LIP
It's simply possible Pato's body (or legs) aren't made for professional football at such level. This does happen sometimes even though the player himself is more than enough talented for it. Let's not hope this is the case with Pato though.

What exactly happened last match? Suddenly I saw Pato getting subbed off. sad.gif He seems SO vulnerable, it's sad.
kurtsimonw
One of the risks of pushing kids through at a high level when they aren't even grown up unfortunately.
Suhail 3
I for one wouldnt mind pato being sold to man city for a ridiculous transfer fee and mario balotelli. wink.gif
Fillipo Simone
You mean change the every month physical health issues with the every month mental issues? No thanks.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 24 2011, 09:11 AM) *
You mean change the every month physical health issues with the every month mental issues? No thanks.

Agreed

I'd keep a permanently injured Pato over Balo any day of the week
kurtsimonw
I'd just sell him. His scoring rate is amazing, but he just doesn't play enough games. Only once has he played more than 25 Serie A games which is only 2/3s of the season. If he could stay injury free, he would be a great player, but I don't see that happening. Cash in on him while he's still worth a tonne.
Suhail 3
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 24 2011, 05:00 PM) *
I'd just sell him. His scoring rate is amazing, but he just doesn't play enough games. Only once has he played more than 25 Serie A games which is only 2/3s of the season. If he could stay injury free, he would be a great player, but I don't see that happening. Cash in on him while he's still worth a tonne.

+1 more or less what's going through my mind
milanbuf88
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2011, 04:14 AM) *
Agreed

I'd keep a permanently injured Pato over Balo any day of the week


I hope you are exaggerating for effect because that is just plain dumb. Regardless of his mental fragility a Balotelli that can actually take the pitch and play (its not like he is some scrub with no ability either) on a consistent basis is far preferable to a useless permanently injured player and I think it can be argued it would be better than only getting around 20-25 games a year out of Pato. Especially with Pato's lack of consistent form.
Zed.D
I love it how every time he gets injured the "cash in on him" comments flow!

Anyway, I'm curious to see if he'd still get injured like this at another top team. I feel there's something wrong with MilanLab. when Pato first came he wasn't known to be injury prone, and he did go on 1 season and a half without this sort of injury (he got injured a few times like twisting his ankle against Fiorentina but they were of completely different nature). then he got big and tall and suddenly ridiculous thigh injuries started. I'm not saying he wasn't potentially an injury prone player, he definitely was, and that's why our managers and the medical team should've been more cautious when they decided he wasn't big enough for Serie A. the club's reluctance to take any responsibility and admitting that MilanLab has become utter **** is the saddest part. it's not just Pato, just look at how many injuries we've had to deal with over the last 3-4 years. it's unreal.
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Sep 24 2011, 07:09 PM) *
I love it how every time he gets injured the "cash in on him" comments flow!

Anyway, I'm curious to see if he'd still get injured like this at another top team. I feel there's something wrong with MilanLab. when Pato first came he wasn't known to be injury prone, and he did go on 1 season and a half without this sort of injury (he got injured a few times like twisting his ankle against Fiorentina but they were of completely different nature). then he got big and tall and suddenly ridiculous thigh injuries started. I'm not saying he wasn't potentially an injury prone player, he definitely was, and that's why our managers and the medical team should've been more cautious when they decided he wasn't big enough for Serie A. the club's reluctance to take any responsibility and admitting that MilanLab has become utter **** is the saddest part. it's not just Pato, just look at how many injuries we've had to deal with over the last 3-4 years. it's unreal.

100% with you

@ milanbuf. Yep I'm serious, simply because Balotelli is not worth the trouble he causes. You don't just look at these things from an individual aspect either, because him making a neusance of himself would disrupt the entire team, and that is something we don't need, especially with all the strong personalities we have already in the group. Cassano is enough thank you very much. And I think Balo will go through the same thing Cassano went through, he won't get his act together until he wakes up and matures, and that won't be happening any time soon.

Plus, simply on a footballing aspect, Pato is the better player, so I'd take his 3 to 4 injuries a season ahead of getting Balotelli.
d'Arc.LP
Mario Balotelli attempted 2 shots, created 2 chances and scored the opener in the 30 mins played as a sub for Man City today.
han2503
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 24 2011, 10:30 PM) *
Mario Balotelli attempted 2 shots, created 2 chances and scored the opener in the 30 mins played as a sub for Man City today.

Should that really say anything to us? Pato is still by far the better player, injuries or not. And I wouldn't go anywhere near Balo with a 10 foot pole, hope our management see it the same. He's nothing but trouble
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 24 2011, 11:30 PM) *
Mario Balotelli attempted 2 shots, created 2 chances and scored the opener in the 30 mins played as a sub for Man City today.


You really like Balotelli, don't you? tongue.gif
milanbuf88
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2011, 05:34 PM) *
Should that really say anything to us? Pato is still by far the better player, injuries or not. And I wouldn't go anywhere near Balo with a 10 foot pole, hope our management see it the same. He's nothing but trouble


No matter how much better you think Pato is (and I think we disagree as to the width of that gap) he isn't of any use if he can't make it off the injury table and onto the pitch. Sorry, I like my star strikers to actually feature as much as possible. I also think the crazy Balotelli thing is overblown.
han2503
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Sep 24 2011, 09:41 PM) *
No matter how much better you think Pato is (and I think we disagree as to the width of that gap) he isn't of any use if he can't make it off the injury table and onto the pitch. Sorry, I like my star strikers to actually feature as much as possible. I also think the crazy Balotelli thing is overblown.

I don't think it's overblown in any way, shape or form, his record is very well publicised wink.gif And I don't want that anywhere near Milan.

And I don't feel I'm exagerating the gap between them either, Pato is the better finsher, better dribbler, faster etc.

I'd trade Pato for Aguero or someone of that calibre, but certainly not a head case like Balo.
d'Arc.LP
Fillipo Simone
Honestly, he should get rid of the mustache.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 26 2011, 10:03 PM) *
Honestly, he should get rid of the mustache.


+1
d'Arc.LP
Pato and Barbara at Porto Rotondo



more pics: Alexandre Pato's Fan Page
Fillipo Simone
Naah, at least Borriello's pictures were interesting,... dry.gif
Zed.D
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William405
QUOTE
Alexandre Pato made an impressive, albeit unlucky, comeback for Milan after two months. “I’ve been working on my muscles and my mind.”

The Brazilian had been out of action since suffering yet another thigh strain at the end of September and was unfortunate not to score in last night’s 0-0 draw with Fiorentina, hitting the post.

“I could’ve played sooner, but I trained so hard and I missed the pitch during these two months,” said The Duck.

“It felt great, as I was able to make my usual movements. I was a bit unlucky with the upright, but hopefully the ball will go in easier on Wednesday against Barcelona.”

Coach Massimiliano Allegri said in Friday’s Press conference that he expected more from Pato, who should learn from the Milan veterans.

“In these two months I arrived early in the morning, at 8-8.30, and would do a double training session every day,” explained the striker.

“I will always work hard from here on in to ensure I don’t suffer an injury relapse. I am happy, as I worked on my muscles and my mind, because often recurring injuries can knock you down. I always trained with joy, as I wanted to come back and now I’m happy.”



He looked very good yesterday,and I don't really understand Allegri's criticism of him,he's just not the player Allegri thinks he is.I believe he should be play as a similar role to Higuan in Real Madrid.As a poacher if you like.Problem is,I don't see him having the same quality of support.I think he might work better now though,since Ibra's roaming more,assisting and stuff.
Danny
It's very hard to define Pato's position because he hasn't ever had a long enough sustained run in the team without a lengthy injury interrupting it.

A few years back I saw him making a mazy dribble at Lecce before just missing the target - at that point he looked like he could be a Messi type. Then when he returned eventually from another injury he couldn't beat a man for love nor money, but was able to score important goals.

So it's hard to figure out exactly how and where he should play.

fwiw I think his most potent weapon is pace, and against Barca it was exploited to the full with a clinical finish at the end of it. Pace for a striker is a great weapon, but only if you get the supply, and I'm not sure we play the kind of game that exploits Pato's best qualities.

So, to answer the question I appear to be asking myself, I literally do not know what Pato's best position is. Suppose the best way to find out is for him to remain injury free and play for a long period of time.
kurtsimonw
Problem is that pace is not enough at a top club where teams play deep against you. He scored against Barca because of their arrogance of playing the backline practically on the half way line. I'm not saying he has nothing else to his game, he has a lot, but he hasn't shown it for a while now - mainly because he isn't playing!
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 21 2011, 12:50 PM) *
It's very hard to define Pato's position because he hasn't ever had a long enough sustained run in the team without a lengthy injury interrupting it.

A few years back I saw him making a mazy dribble at Lecce before just missing the target - at that point he looked like he could be a Messi type. Then when he returned eventually from another injury he couldn't beat a man for love nor money, but was able to score important goals.

So it's hard to figure out exactly how and where he should play.

fwiw I think his most potent weapon is pace, and against Barca it was exploited to the full with a clinical finish at the end of it. Pace for a striker is a great weapon, but only if you get the supply, and I'm not sure we play the kind of game that exploits Pato's best qualities.

So, to answer the question I appear to be asking myself, I literally do not know what Pato's best position is. Suppose the best way to find out is for him to remain injury free and play for a long period of time.

I agree, but I can't see him having a long injury free spell anytime soon. I just hope the club doesn't grow tired of waiting for him before he can shake the injury problems off.

I'd hate to see him doing great things with another club.
Zed.D
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With Carlos Tevez on his way in, and Manchester City & Paris Saint-Germain circling, AC Milan should sell Alexandre Pato

The January introduction of the Argentine could push out the 22-year-old, but given his injury issues it may not be a bad move for the Rossoneri to let him go

By Kris Voakes | Italian Football Editor

The rumours were rife in the summer of 2009. As Carlo Ancelotti set about making his mark on new club Chelsea, media outlets in both England and Italy were insistent that the former AC Milan coach would ask his new bosses to part with €35 million to sign the Rossoneri’s Alexandre Pato. At one stage it seemed inevitable that the Brazilian’s stint on the peninsula was over.

But more than two years later, Pato remains a Milan player, and is now a champion of Italy to boot. His 14 goals last term helped Massimiliano Allegri’s side claim their first league crown in seven years, yet in so many other ways the season had brought more evidence for those who believed the striker should have been allowed to leave when Chelsea came enquiring.

With perennial hamstring pulls, strains in multiple adductor muscles, ankle trouble and latterly issues with his thigh, the 22-year-old has racked up an injury history that many players in the indian summer of their careers have managed to avoid. While this may well be no fault of Pato’s, Milan would be foolish not to bear this in mind if a firm bid is made for the former Internacional man next summer.

And with the likely introduction of Carlos Tevez in January, it appears that Pato is set to undergo the most difficult period of his Milan career on the pitch too. Having been a first choice almost since the day he netted on his memorable debut in the 5-2 win over Napoli in 2008, the Manchester City man's arrival could well see the Brazilian pushed onto the bench.

In the last couple of months, there have been new reports of interest from Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain, and while the English side were credited with an interest in a €65m transfer switch at the beginning of last season which never went anywhere, the latest links - suggesting that he could head for the Premier League in a quasi-swap move for Tevez - deserve a little more consideration.

Pato is undoubtedly a huge asset to the Rossoneri when his is fit and firing, and his record of 60 goals in 134 games for the club is not to be sniffed at. But his propensity to collapse in full flight is becoming a real issue. The thought of seeing the striker starting even 75 per cent of Milan fixtures remains nothing more than a distant dream. He even missed the recent trip to Genoa having made just a single start since his previous spell on the sidelines.

As he closes in on the four-year anniversary of his debut for the then-European and world champions, one must question whether he will ever reach a stage where he can run at full pace with great regularity without clutching his hamstring, his thigh, or any other leg muscle put under the pressure of his stop-start club career so far.

After each new injury blow comes another test for each muscle which has not been worked as it would be with regular football. With each spell out comes another question mark as to Pato’s long-term viability as a top-level striker of blistering pace. His speed is by far and away his outstanding quality, but he’s gradually losing his effectiveness in that department despite still being in the fledgling stages of his career. And he has already been missing from the starting XI in 82 of the 186 games the Rossoneri have played since his debut.

The €45m which Milan would allegedly ask for the striker - or the services of Tevez plus a hefty cash sum - may well come in more handy than a striker whose one great asset could be completely compromised by the time he reaches 25, and so far he hasn’t shown the technical nor tactical intelligence which would be necessary to adjust his game and make him a more all-round forward upon the loss of his pace.

Though Tevez is five-and-a-half years older than Pato, his ability to stay fit over longer periods must not be overlooked. Of course, any player could befall a serious one-off injury at any point, but the constant issues the likes of which the Brazilian is regularly struck by can become a real drain on a club. Add to that the power and flair the former West Ham and Manchester United striker adds to the game, and you have an excellent forward option for the next few years.

So while rumours of an exit for Pato are nothing new, don’t be too surprised to hear that this time Milan could be taking them seriously. Even his relationship with club director Barbara Berlusconi shouldn’t stop the right decision being made, and with each new injury to the Brazilian, it appears the best choice may be to sell the player once considered the club’s brightest young star.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial...ster-city-paris



Any thoughts?!

Obviously it'd suck if he were to leave, but sometimes I can't help but wonder if his injury problems were reduced if he was under better medical staff. before his thigh gets completely wrecked... maybe it's not too late.

Obviously I want him to be healthy and do well at another club than remain here and continue like this. IF moving to another club means less injuries/better fitness.
X-Offender
If Tevez comes, I'd rather sell Robinho.
drucurl
keep the duck
han2503
No way!

If Tevez comes than it has to be Robinho. Even though I'd prefer if we kept all 5
Bluesummers
Sell Robinho and swap pato for balotelli.

Both are overrated and useless, they need to f*ck off.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Dec 12 2011, 02:57 AM) *
Sell Robinho and swap pato for balotelli.

Both are overrated and useless, they need to f*ck off.

Seriously?
X-Offender
Pato's only problem is inconsistency, mainly due to sluggish attitude and injury proneness. Robinho is bad at almost everything. Last year he had quite a decent run, but this season he's been plain horrible. I wouldn't mind selling him for Tevez.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 12 2011, 01:04 PM) *
Seriously?

Yeah Pato hasn't done f*ck all this season and last season it was clear he was on the decline.

Robinho doesn't really fit our style. He's decent but he misses way too many chances. His creativity is deadly, but then again Cassano and Ibra can do the same thing.


We need a quality striker. I hope Tevez comes. He's creative and can finish chances like Ibra.

Ibra and Tevez and we have a quality attack.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Dec 12 2011, 02:57 AM) *
Sell Robinho and swap pato for balotelli.

Both are overrated and useless, they need to f*ck off.

I think you're being ridiculous and over the top over a single game! Very mature there blue wink.gif rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 13 2011, 03:23 PM) *
I think you're being ridiculous and over the top over a single game! Very mature there blue wink.gif rolleyes.gif


He's not even mentioning the Bologna game. He's talking in general. And he does make a very good point. Pato has been regressing year by year. As much as I have faith in him, the kid really needs to wake up and realize he's not 17 anymore.
kurtsimonw
How long is left on Pato's contract? I really would look into selling him. We're having a decent season and he really hasn't made any impact on it at all. Sell him to Madrid for a silly amount of money, that we could probably spend on another stiker and #10.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 13 2011, 05:24 PM) *
How long is left on Pato's contract? I really would look into selling him. We're having a decent season and he really hasn't made any impact on it at all. Sell him to Madrid for a silly amount of money, that we could probably spend on another stiker and #10.


I think we should wait until the end of the season, see how things evolve. If the guy keeps having frequent injuries and blackouts, then I'd strongly consider selling him, especially if the money is good.
kurtsimonw
Yeah. City and Madrid will pay top dollar for him I think. To them money is no real issue so he will always be worth the gamble for them.
Dracoris
Agreed. Lets see how he does after January. If Madrid knocks on the door with 50mil, I'd say goodbye with a smile, as long as it was spent accordingly.
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