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I don't know what to say about this but your viewpoint is very wrong.

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I don't know what to say about this but your viewpoint is very wrong.


You want to say that now Germany, Italy and Brazil cannot beat 90% of the other Worlds nations? Like Burma, Cuba, Jamaica, Botswana? Anyway, international football is not about beating the other 99%, it's about the world cup. Yes, I agree, nowdays teams like Equador or Mexico put up much more then 40 years ago. But still, there were some great teams besides Italy, Brazil, Germany and England. You had a strong Sweden, Poland, Yugoslavia, and many more.

But at the end of the day, some people will have to learn to accept that it is my opinion that Pele is ridiculously over-rated.

I wouldn't mind people disagreeing, but an opinion on someones footballing ability is very subjective. Pele is not around today, so just like I can't say it's a fact that everyone nowadays is better than Pele, nobody can say that it's a fact that Pele is better than anyone currently playing, since he'll never be able to compete with them.

Just my honest $0.02 (sorry acid!).

Pele was great for 'his time', Kurt. of course now they are tens of strikers who are better than Pele would have been now.

I think you summed it up for me there.

Pele, good for his time? Certainly. One of the best ever? Not for me.

I have no problem with people saying Pele was the greatest players for his time , but it's when they label him footballs greatest ever player.. it's just outrageous for me.

Anyways, this Pele debate has gone on too much!

The other thing is Sobis has gotten less time on the pitch and has scored more goals than Pato

Are you comparing 19yo Pato with 23yo Sobis? are you comparing someone who's played 4 professional seasons with one who's played 1 and half?

You're not making any sense my friend, besides last time I checked Pato scored 9 goals in 18 games in highest level (Milan - Serie A), and Sobis has scored 8 goals in 57 games in a way lower level (Betis - La Liga). just because he hasn't found his form with the Selecao yet doesn't mean anything.

The other thing is Sobis has gotten less time on the pitch and has scored more goals than Pato......how that makes him average or crap amazes me. Not because a player wears our jersey is he automaticaly a majority stakeholded on the "best in his position" title. BE OBJECTIVE!!

Oooooh....now I smell some knives being sharpened! Oh golly...flame war!!!

Because Sobis plays for a second rate side, and plays in a league where its easier to score goals. You aren't taking the bigger picture (and you usually don't)

And how did Sobis do against Argentina? Not that well at all. He's rubbish. Your special Sobis did nothing out there special. I don't even see how you have the audacity to put on him on the level of Pato.

If you think he gets more scoring opportunities than Sobis, you clearly don't know how defensive the Serie A is. No he doesn't. Often in the La Liga, games turn into goal scoring fests... I've seen more 4-3 games and such...

I no longer reply to people who reply to me with personal insults because the THINK their OPINION is fact. They're not worth 2 seconds of my time.

lol so playing for second rate sides is now the criterion for judging players

I NEVER put him level with Pato...but then again you haven't completely mastered your command of the obvious.

That's right I don't know how defensive SerieA is.....I've never watched SerieA/Milan in all my pathetic life....please enlighten me oh great one Pato plays in front of Seedorf Kaka Pirlo and the rest of Milan's midfield who aren't nearly as creative as the mighty Betis

Try to respect other people's opinions. Personal attacks on other members will result in temporary bans/permanent suspensions

Erhm... Oliveira.. erhm,. Gilardino.. erhm... yes it is.



If you can't talk to me like an adult without insulting me, I won't bother responding. Milan's midfield is vastly more creative than Betis. I'll stand by that any day any time.

Keep on defending Sobis. That's fine by me. But do not for a minute insult people around here because you don't like their opinions.

Pele should be happy that I even consider him in the same league as Sobis.. which I don't.

I no longer reply to people who reply to me with personal insults because the THINK their OPINION is fact. They're not worth 2 seconds of my time.

Good man

Even me and you haven't argued since.. well, I don't even remember! How times change!

I no longer reply to people who reply to me with personal insults because the THINK their OPINION is fact. They're not worth 2 seconds of my time.

@zd:Holy thread? LMAO...that would be the Paolo Maldini thread.

Oh wait...you're one of those 'I can't see the white cross on the shirt' types.

Exactly...so it's a holy thread..get it? Oh wait...you're one of those 'I can't see the white cross on the shirt' types.

Exactly...so it's a holy thread..get it? Oh wait...you're one of those 'I can't see the white cross on the shirt' types.

Pato: We Will Win Scudetto

Braziliant starlet Alexandre Pato has confidently declared that Milan will win the Scudetto this season, while he also hails Ronaldinho.

Pato is currently on Olympic duty with Brazil in Beijing, and this afternoon will play in the Bronze medal match against Belgium.

The 18-year-old has been playing alongside new Milan team-mate Ronaldinho, who he believes is back to his best following his summer move from Barcelona.

“I see Ronaldinho every day,” Pato told the Corriere dello Sport.

“He is a phenomenon. He is working and after these thirty days I can say: he has worked hard.

“He has always been on the field both before and during the Olympics.

“Ronaldinho is back. He will have a great year in Italy and he will make Milan great.”

Pato is extremely confident going into the new season with his club, and he has no doubts that the Rossoneri will win the Scudetto.

"Milan this year are very strong,” he stated.

“I am sure we will win the championship.

“I am not saying we will be among the top teams - I am saying we will actually win the Scudetto."

Milan have made a number of impressive signings this summer, including Mathieu Flamini, Gianluca Zambrotta, Marco Borriello,a nd of course Ronaldinho.

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Belgium-Brazil's started and Pato is on the bench again, Jo's in the starting lineup. (not that I care this time...)

Damn those arrogant Brazillians.

It's called over-confidence! Suck on this acid!!

Oooooh..kinky! I see you boys are good 'friends' now. Which one of you dropped the soap?


*Runs like hell to the fishdoll. Fishdoll>>>> Polar Bear*

*Runs like hell to the fishdoll. Fishdoll>>>> Polar Bear*

Pato: Scudetto is ours

Saturday 23 August, 2008

Alexandre Pato is confident "Milan will win the Scudetto this year," although he is very impressed by Roma's acquisition Julio Baptista.

"Milan are very strong this year. I am certain: We will win Serie A. I won't say we are going to finish in the top places. I say we're taking the Scudetto," he told the Corriere dello Sport.

However, 'The Duck' is somewhat concerned that the Giallorossi have picked up their own Brazilian talent.

"I was surprised when I heard Roma had bought up Julio Baptista's entire contract rather than take him on loan from Real Madrid. It's a fantastic bargain for them.

"I know him well from the Selecao and can say Roma have got themselves a real force of nature, a hitman and a leader. He will score many goals and have an excellent campaign."

Pato has been unable to take part in pre-season friendlies because he was at the Olympics, winning a bronze medal for Brazil with new club teammate Ronaldinho.

"I see Ronaldinho every day and he is a phenomenon. He is working hard and after a month out here I can confirm he always put in the hours for training, before, during and after the Olympics.

"Ronaldinho is back and he will have a great year in Italy with a fantastic Milan team.

"I did not play very much out here, but with the Rossoneri I have to play a lot and much better. In the first three Olympic games I fought hard, but always had very static defences in front of me."

Pato was later dropped in favour of Rafael Sobis and Coach Carlos Dunga suggested it was a fitness issue.

"I stepped on to the pitch and, as I said, I was alone against the entire opposition. When I went off, the defences were tired. It is much easier to look good when the defenders are exhausted." ((Sorry 10ie!) this last part is obviously a little F-you from Pato to Dunga!)


Channel4

ON THE PERFORMANCE OF RONALDINHO AND PATO AT THE OLYMPICS

“Brazil did not do what was expected of them. Ronaldinho played all the games at alternating rhythms , whereas Pato was disappointed by the Olympics for what the coach told the press. I think it was not a correct way to manage it.”

Why soooo confident, little fella? I know we'll win it, but players should be a bit cautious with making these sweeping statements.

Why soooo confident, little fella? I know we'll win it

You know we'll win it?

I think you need to add your name to the "Milan to finish above Inter" list in The Bet part 2 thread!