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I'm not han, but what's you point?

He has multiple of those correct?


About what?

(Moved so we dont fill up match thread with Pato talk)


He gets injured every season, but often plays well and scores goals. This season he has done neither. Chievo comes to mind as a good performance and I believe he scored as well, but aside from that? He has offered nearly nothing.

I don't understand this idea I have some sort of bias against Pato. I just searched my post to find this:

My first near criticism of him this season..
Matchday 5 vs Barca - "Pato's not worked out today, Robinho got involved way more."
He came off the bench and I think he touched the ball about 2 times. And this isn't even me saying anything that bad about him, is it? This is November 23rd and it's the first time I've said something bad, is this not me giving him time to prove himself?

November 27th vs Chievo - I repeatedly praise Pato for his performance.

Decemver 11th vs Bologna - I didn't post until after the game, so no criticism from me regarding Pato. The reason I get involved? People complain that Allegri played him out of position and is ruining him!? He played him up front in a 4-3-1-2 for crying out loud. As usual, I'm not critcising Pato for no reason. I'm merely defending Allegri here, my comment was simply "People are making far too many excuses for Pato and then turning it to blame Allagri. He's had 4 shots on target this season." - Unless people think Allegri may be fining Pato whenever he shoots? Obviously people think Pato's lack of shots is Allegri's fault for some odd reason.

Next time I mention him is that I would sell him for silly money to Madrid and people jump on my back. Why is that such a horrible thing for me to say? We did it with Kaka' who was a far better player than Pato is and had proved his worth.

The next time I mention Pato is when he was criticising Allegri in the media, making himself look like a hypocrite in the process.

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This is pretty much all I've mentioned either praising or criticising him this season. I fail to see anything bad in there at all. So far this season I've not really criticised him during or after a game, I've given him plenty of time to prove himself this season. The only time I really criticise is when for some reason people decide it's Allegri's fault. I don't see where my opinion is bad at all. You'd think with all the people who argue me on it I'm talking about Zalatan here. But Im talking about an oft-injured player, who's not scoring or playing well.. and I'm the biased one? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

My whole argument was if someone offered a big fee would I like Milan to accept it? To which I said:


I'm not bashing Pato or saying he's useless, or the past year or so has 'erased all the good he's done'. Which is actually quite an astonishing statement really when people on here continuously bash Sheva and Kaka for the transfers away from the club after all the YEARS of SUCCESS they gave to us.

There's too much of a bias mentality here, that's what Im trying to say. It's too easy to say "Well, we're all Milan fans", but so what? You can still see things subjectively. I crticise the Villa manager, the owner and most of the current players just as I do with Milan before anyone brings up the "Well, Milan aren't your first team anyway" shite.

I am amazed at the Kaka' hate more than anything, when you consider the club said they needed to sell him to pay off debts and such. Yet he's made out to be the villain. Crazy.

I never said it was just you, but in reality, you and a couple of others on this forum are the only ones that are really on his back atm, and I personally don't understand the reasoning behind it. Every player goes through bad moments of form, especially someone like Pato who is constantly getting interrupted due to his injuries.

I personally never blamed Allegri for his direct use of Pato, but for his midfield implementation which leaves both of our strikers isolated for long periods of time during a match. Ibra can overcome this because he can still work with measly long balls coming from deep, but that is not Pato's game. If you want Pato to be effective than give him the ball to his feet and allow him space to work in. That will not work with Urby or Boateng supporting the strikers.


I still dont get how you got me bashing Sheva out of what I said, or Kaka for that matter. What I said first was that Milan never sold their top players in their prime, to which kurt responded that the club couldn't have predicted how they turned out. I mentioned kaka's knee injuries as well as the fact that Sheva was the one who personally asked for the transfer, which is a very different situation to the club selling the player for money. These are facts of what happened with Sheva, It does not make me a hater, far from it, as I'm still probably one of his biggest fans around, no matter how he left and what happened to him afterwards. Kaka's case was different, the club needed the money, Kaka had been struggling with injuries for a while so they decided to cash in, as long as it was to Real, Kaka would have been happy. Had they only wanted money they would have really tried to send him to City, something Kaka did not want.

I've always said that that 50m would be too huge an offer to not even consider. But still the future of the club has to be considered. It's not like we've got another 24 players on the team in their early to mid 20s so we won't really feel the loss of Pato. The club has given a lot of players who were struggling with injuries chances in the past, of course we hadn't received 50m offers for them, but still, it's the way Milan do things, and I'm confident they won't give up on him just yet, he was a big investment for the club at the time of his purchase, and people sometimes seem to forget that he's still just 22 years old. Maybe it's because he's already been at Milan for a considerable amount of time and scored a lot of goals, but in reality he is still young and has the time to overcome his issues. That's why I think selling him now would be pre-mature


How is it bias if we're defending a player who has come under unfair criticism due to a spell of bad form after another long injury lay off?

In reality, everyone will defend their favourite players, while everyone will also criticise players they feel indifferent to or have no attachment towards. And don't take this as something against you because we all do it. But I feel this talk about Pato is just completely unwarrented atm.

'atm' being the keyword really. Why should we not be on his back at the moment? I will happily praise him when he plays well (vs Chievo) and will criticise him when he doesn't. He isn't playing well this season, it's not just a bad spell, it's 50% of the season nearly. That's the reasoning.


But the lineup is essentially the same as last season. If anything you could argue it's more creative with the inclusion of Aqulani. I think Pirlo missed the majority of last season didn't he and Pato was fine.

Robinho is a terrible finisher, but his performances over his 18 months in Milan have been more good than bad. Cassano has been a superb signing and Ibra has been brilliant too. Why is it only Pato of our 4 forwards that can't adapt? That's what I was getting at the other day when I said the players at the very top can change their game. Pato has yet to show me he can do this and teams can pick up on that.

Clash of the titans. Kurt and Han fighting till the death with their gigantic posts...

Hopefully acid doesn't participate in this or we could see the forums going down (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The forum will run out of ink soon!

But seriously, I have more posts so my opinion is more valid than his.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Na, I'll sit this one out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Besides, most of you know my opinion on Pato, yes, the kid's out of touch, and yes he isn't getting necessary service (pretty much everyone in our midfield passes to Ibra), yes, he isn't helping his case by not showing more intent, and yes, it'd be foolish to sell the guy in the next year or two at least.

If we can somehow get a grip on his injuries (reducing them as much as possible), then the fireworks should start.

Pretty much. Mike's had to sell his house and live on the streets, due to the bill of this place with the length of these posts. He sometimes makes a couple of £ from busking in London's streets, in turn allowing him to get to an Internet cafe and visit MF from time-time.

And some of you guys wonder why he's not on much... jeez.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) It'd be interesting to see who made the biggest post here in the forums. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Obviously discounting the quoted replies. I think I'd rank very near the top, honestly. Some of the messages I posted were absolutely humongous! I even ran out of smilies in a few of them, hehe.

Why shouldn't we give players more of a chance than 3 to 4 matches? I am completely with you that right now he's out of form, and he's struggling. I never said otherwise. And I would accept criticsm from you, but wanting him sold simply for showing some bad form is what's getting under my skin. It's only natural for a player to suffer dips in form, they're not robots, especially Pato who gets long term injuries on a regular basis. But wanting him out due to this is what's ridiculous to me. Sure I can say he was sh!t against Bologna for example, because he truely was, but that does not mean I completely give up on him and want him sold.

The lineup is the same as last season, but what's happened this season is that Boateng is being easily pushed out of the game, as he's no longer got the surprise factor he had last season, where last season he used to make a lot of runs to become the 3rd man in attack, this season he's basically being pushed out wide for most of the game, thus Ibra having to drop in midfield a lot. Also last season we had Seedorf, who's a very different player from Aqui. Aquilani is more someone who conducts our game by always keeping the ball moving, Seedorf on the other hand joins the attack more so you have him joinng Boateng in supporting the strikers when we're on the offense.


Oh so we're back to this. Don't worry, I'll overtake you once again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)