Internacional de Porto Alegre is one of the biggest teams in Brazil.

At 17 he already won the FIFA Club World Club playing against likes of Puyol, Marquez, Zambrotta last December.
At 17 he's already a first 11 player in the Brazil NT. I don't think he'll have some kind of "pressure" problem.

Some of you guys... honestly, I do not understand. We're interested in the best young player in the world (1989) and some of you guys seems like "Eh... another Grimi". (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by Porty: Jul 18 2007, 12:35 PM

Don't get me wrong !!

He has potential and is a very intelligent young player. But so was Kaka' and Gourcuff before they came to Milan. You will see what I mean when he comes ...

He still needs time and as I said before, if Leonardo aproves of him, then there is little for us to contradict a brilliant scout such as Leonardo !

But whether Pato would be effective for us, that is still a question. And I wouldn't want to answer that question till he breaks into the first team. Which IMO, he still needs 2 years to show if he is capable of handling the pressure.

Playing in South America, Porty, isn't exactly like Serie A and the CL ... Cuz for European competitions you need the physique and the right mental approach ..

You know what I am talking about (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ... I'm not saying he is no good, I am saying, you are giving him too much credit, when he is just 17 yrs old (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I've never once said that.

I just think you can't put all your hopes on one kid, Arsenal bought Walcott who was meant to be an amazing talent, now look at him...

@R7... I know what you mean. I'm not expecting an immediate impact from him either. but a lot of football experts have followed him over past two years and I'm sure they know better than me and you when they say how good could he be. otherwise they wouldn't label him as Brazil's greatest talent of the future (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



It's not like that. Messi had a very weak body and yet he's at this level because he has incredible technique. I know he has improved a lot since two years ago, but he still doesn't have a spectacular physique.

The same goes for Pato. he has a far better condition right now than what Messi had in two years ago. Messi is 1.70 cm tall while Pato is 1.80 and could still grow tall since he's just 17. so I really doubt Pato could suffer from physical weakness.

Anyway, I agree he may struggle with mental problems, but that's completely normal for a 17, or 18 year old and nothing that couldn't be improved or fixed. I'm saying playing with Ronaldo and Kaka will give him the confidence he needs to fit into the team. and I'm sure he'll handle it very well, not from the very first game, but sooner than you think. like Tassotti said, it's a risk, but worth taking.

It's still not the same... the Brazilian league is full of youngsters! They get many chances... the only player I can recall that was given a chance in any of Europe's big teams in the past years is Messi...

And Serie A is not Joga Bonito; if you do the tricks he does they don't applause you, they kick you down!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

In my view it's not his physical strength that needs to be improved (I'm not saying he's ready but I don't think he's weak either...) but his game! He needs to mature... his play is tactically non-existent... Messi and Kaká were extremely tactically aware compared to most South Americans when they were introduced to European football... Gourcuff is a machine; he always run likes crazy to stand where he's told to, to overlap,...

But Alexander the Duck (... Earth met the Great, now it's time to meet a new one! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) is surely a great talent and there's not better place than Milanello for him to mature! I hope he comes (but not if he is going to be our only transfer)!

Great post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

I agree, with many of ur points there .. But, Messi isn't exactly a player that might succeed in Serie A. He has a weak physique ..

What I ment was, look at Kaka' when he first arrived at Milan. The slightest of touchs would bring him down. Look at him now, he can take on 3 defenders in Serie A. This kind of revolution, by the help of Milan Lab, took 2 years.

Pato, is somewhat the same as Kaka' at the beginning. There is no question Milanlab have the experience to transform Pato into a powerful player. But, as I said above, this takes time.

Another issue is his level of experience and as dst said, tactical awarness (mental ability) that he needs for Serie A and CL. Cuz, Joga Bonito can be implemented in La Liga (Messi) and Brazil (Pato) more effectively than in Serie A or CL. Cuz these two competitions tend to play a closed game, where you rarely find space to do all your tricks. And in that sense, he would need at least 1 or 2 years till he gets the big picture and is ready for such competitions.

But no doubt, he shows the potential and I would rather Milan sign him than anyone else.

Walcott is from 89 too. 18 yo. He'll have his chances in L'Arsenal. There's no rush. He's a big talent - I think everyone can see that.

Messi is 20 btw. Who was he at 18? A good player in the Argentina U-20 NT and in Barcelona Primavera. Nothing more.

Good points (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Well, nobody expects from Pato to come and produce like Kaka. of course it takes time to adapt, but I see no reason for him to fail in doing that. we sometimes forget he's just 17. he'll have plenty of time to adapt to Serie, gain experience and improve a little bit form physical point of view. I expect in a two-year time he'll be ready. and I expect him to be a star for our team in the next 15 years!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Is he coming for sure after all? or we are just kidding ourselves with Pato dreams?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

IMO, Pato is a done deal for Milan. I mean, if Leonardo convinced Kaka', then I believe the same for Pato

I also rekon the deal is done, but I want to just see it done to know the talent is coming to milanello. We definitely have to keep him in the squad, cause has to develop under the wings of the greats ar milan. I think thats the best chance of him developing quickly, and also bringing him off the bench in games for 10-15 minutes. You never know he may just adapt naturally as kaka' pretty much did.

Yeah I've read around a bit and it's being said by a lot of people, hmm I just hope he's good then (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Me too (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Anyway, we have to wait about six months. personally speaking, it's a very long wait... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I hope they confirm the deal one of these days at least....

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Jul 18 2007, 09:49 PM

If Leonardo has recomended him then i am definately in support of his move

I think he could come now. We just have to give his father/mother a job in Milano or so.
FCPorto did that when they bought Anderson (now in Manchester United).

But I believe, IF we sign him, Milan will let him stay until December in Brazil.

And that would be for everyone the best solution:

-we all agree that we cant expect a immediate impact from Pato
-he will have more "practice time"
-and most important, that would force our board to make another signing..