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d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (samira @ Jul 6 2010, 01:10 PM) *
Am I the only one exacting about this?
Great that we have someone that can replace Seedrof and Pirlos amazing free-kicks.

If we are going to make Inter upset, it better be this not Ibra.
I see no reason buying Ibra, it would be one of Gallini's stupied moves again.
That way I was happy when I read this.
I hope the rest of 0.01 % is not moving to Milan.


Balotelli in Milan's jersey is one of my dreams. Pato - x striker - Balotelli would be impresive attack.
I'd like Ibra to be that x striker but that second article is saying there is only 1% left for him to leave Barca.
If we buy Balotelli we don't need Honda. He wouldn't have place in first XI formation.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 03:10 PM) *
Balotelli in Milan's jersey is one of my dreams. Pato - x striker - Balotelli would be impresive attack.
I'd like Ibra to be that x striker but that second article is saying there is only 1% left for him to leave Barca.
If we buy Balotelli we don't need Honda. He wouldn't have place in first XI formation.

No man, Pato and Balotelli are two strikers, x striker needs to be an attacking midfielder, or else a winger.

Balotelli would be awesome, but Honda is still welcoome though. Honda can play behind Pato and Balotelli. Makes more sense than Pato - x striker - Balotelli.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 02:19 PM) *
No man, Pato and Balotelli are two strikers, x striker needs to be an attacking midfielder, or else a winger.

Balotelli would be awesome, but Honda is still welcoome though. Honda can play behind Pato and Balotelli. Makes more sense than Pato - x striker - Balotelli.


This is what I wanted to say :

Pato - left winger
x striker - striker (Honda doesn't play here)
Balotelli - right winger

x striker
Pato ------------- Balotelli
Jack Sparrow
Honda did play a position similar to Totti for Roma. What I like about Honda is that he's got the mentality to graft hard for the team. This combined with his technique makes him pretty good. He's left footed, which to me is excellent, since we only have right footed dead ball specialists. He's also incredibly versatile. He can even play as a LB.

Being Japanese, hard work is probably ingrained in him. (Yes, I'm stereotyping.. tongue.gif )....and there's the commercial benefits. He's Japan's idol right now.

On the flip side:

Is he physical enough?
Can he handle the culture change?
Will he demand starting position?
How much will CSKA charge?
d'Arc.LP
- Marseille : Taiwo is in transfer list

- 4-4-2.com : Dzeko only one step away from Juventus

- Man City : Robinho + 20 mil for Ibrahimovic

- Adyiah is linked with Hoffenheim and Sunderland

- Klose refuses Rubin Kazan

Source : TMW & Milannews
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 03:57 PM) *
This is what I wanted to say :

Pato - left winger
x striker - striker (Honda doesn't play here)
Balotelli - right winger

x striker
Pato ------------- Balotelli

What I meant to say is that Pato and Balotelli are forwards, they are not REAL wingers. You can put ONE of them wide, and put an actual winger on the other side. But now you play with 3 forwards. 3 players who are good in goalscoring not so much in passing and crossing. There is no balance in the team this way (too attacking, too little defending skills), midfield and attack isn't linked well.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 03:10 PM) *
What I meant to say is that Pato and Balotelli are forwards, they are not REAL wingers. You can put ONE of them wide, and put an actual winger on the other side. But now you play with 3 forwards. 3 players who are good in goalscoring not so much in passing and crossing. There is no balance in the team this way (too attacking, too little defending skills), midfield and attack isn't linked well.


Pato can do better as left winger than Striker or Right Winger, he has pace, is fast, powerfull shots ( he is kind of c.Ronaldo player )
Balotelli can also play as Striker but for last 2 seasons at Inter he proved that he is better when he plays in the wing.

If we want fast game (dynamic) we have to play with players like Pato and Balotelli in the wings ,not Ronaldinho ( who was very good last season ) but I dont think winger should be the playmaker (that's what Dinho was last season).

IMO this would be very balanced squad:

x striker
Pato ----------- Balotelli
Pirlo
x midfielder ------- Flamini

CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 04:19 PM) *
Pato can do better as left winger than Striker or Right Winger, he has pace, is fast, powerfull shots ( he is kind of c.Ronaldo player )

Pato is a striker, not a winger. You can put him wide, but that doesn't make him a winger. Pato is bad in crossing, passing, beat his guy... all winger aspects.. Pato is awesome in making smart runs, his pace, his shot, his header also... he is made to be a striker...

I find your team far from balanced, this would be more balanced:
Pato, Balotelli
Honda
Ambrosini, Pirlo, Flamini (upgrading this midfield is an idea, but that's not the point for now)
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 04:25 PM) *
Pato is a striker, not a winger. You can put him wide, but that doesn't make him a winger. Pato is bad in crossing, passing, beat his guy... all winger aspects.. Pato is awesome in making smart runs, his pace, his shot, his header also... he is made to be a striker...

I find your team far from balanced, this would be more balanced:
Pato, Balotelli
Honda

Ambrosini, Pirlo, Flamini (upgrading this midfield is an idea, but that's not the point for now)


But there's no classic striker. You can't depend your attack on two players, one of them don't have physical attributes and the other is not striker at all. If we want to play 4-3-1-2 formation, in the attack Pato must have a team mate like Borriello, Inzaghi or Huntelaar. I think you get what I want to say.

I really like your formation but in my opinion Honda, Pato and Balotelli would be "lost" if they would have to play agains defenders like Lucio, Juan ...
samira
Wasnt Honda repalcing Seedrof or palying behind Pato?
Pato can play winger but he does it better as a striker if he plays with the right person , will he play as good with Balotelli as Dinho and it's better if Honda is plays behind the forwards the with.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 04:34 PM) *
But there's no classic striker. You can't depend your attack on two players, one of them don't have physical attributes and the other is not striker at all. If we want to play 4-3-1-2 formation, in the attack Pato must have a team mate like Borriello, Inzaghi or Huntelaar. I think you get what I want to say.

I rather say one of them is a striker, and one of them has the phyisical attributes. wink.gif

And I would not call Pato THAT weak, and I won't say Balotelli can't be a striker, but I see Honda and Balotelli going wide a lot in my team.

I want to keep Borriello as backup, and he might play versus a weaker team (then it's okay to play with a smaller midfield). Huntelaar can go and make place for Balotelli and Honda.
samira
great for 24.4 m tongue.gif
Huntelaar is 26 and Honda is two yrs younger right, it would be a great move.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 03:42 PM) *
I rather say one of them is a striker, and one of them has the phyisical attributes. wink.gif

And I would not call Pato THAT weak, and I won't say Balotelli can't be a striker, but I see Honda and Balotelli going wide a lot in my team.

I want to keep Borriello as backup, and he might play versus a weaker team (then it's okay to play with a smaller midfield). Huntelaar can go and make place for Balotelli and Honda.


But none of them is complete Striker. You see my point is that Pato is better when plays as winger or support striker in the left than he is when he plays as striker. I don't know if you remember the pre season match against B.Munchen last season, Pato played on the left and was one of his best games. Also before two seasons against Roma in Olimpico he played in the left and he scored twice. He can be our new Messi and who would play Messi in center when he is better in the right. The same story is with Pato. IMO

I said that too, Balotelli is better when plays in the wings.
JimboMilano
Anyway Real Madrid are also looking at Honda. I bet you guys we won't get him.

Link
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (JimboMilano @ Jul 6 2010, 05:16 PM) *
Anyway Real Madrid are also looking at Honda. I bet you guys we won't get him.

Link


If we want to buy a player first we have to sell someone, that's clubs politics. So if we don't sell anyone these days of course r.Madrid will take Honda before us.
Fillipo Simone
Tuttomercato reports Milan's interest in Acquafresca and also Liverpool wanting Joe Cole.
d'Arc.LP
Inter will sell Balotelli for Fabregas ? - link

Zamparini: Kjaer is Wolfsburg's player - link

EDIT :

Atletico Madrid's Sergio Aguero Has Not Been Contacted By Juventus, Inter Or Milan - Agent - link

Thiago Silva Hopes For Milan Revival; Palmeiras Want Ronaldinho - link

Order: Milan was holding Torres - link

Even AC Milan after Acquafresca - link

CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 06:26 PM) *
Inter will sell Balotelli for Fabregas ? - link

Oh man, if they pull that off, it's so damn awesome for the Merda fans.
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 06:01 PM) *
You see my point is that Pato is better when plays as winger or support striker in the left than he is when he plays as striker.

You like him as left wide forward the most, and I as striker. I do agree he impressed more on the left than on the right. That's why I put Pato LCF, and Balotelli RCF, so that Pato can go to the left, and Balotelli to the right (not at the same time though). I just don't want them as often wide as you want to. So we have our own preference in this.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 05:43 PM) *
Oh man, if they pull that off, it's so damn awesome for the Merda fans.


Merda has already a very good midfield they don't need Fabregas. Well there is no team that doesn't need Fabregas but Merda don't have to invest in midfield so fast. But it's good of us if they loose a talent like Balotelli.

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 05:43 PM) *
You like him as left wide forward the most, and I as striker. I do agree he impressed more on the left than on the right. That's why I put Pato LCF, and Balotellit RCF, so that Pato can go to the left, and Balotelli to the right (not at the same time though). I just don't want them as often wide as you want to. So we have our own preference in this.


Fair enough!
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 06:50 PM) *
Merda has already a very good midfield they don't need Fabregas. Well there is no team that doesn't need Fabregas but Merda don't have to invest in midfield so fast. But it's good of us if they loose a talent like Balotelli.

They lose a huge talent, I surely agree with that! But he seems unsettled there. And Fabregas is considering his age the midfielder you want the most. If they need to sell Balotelli, then signing Fabregas instead is pretty hot for them.

Balotelli wasn't a starter this season, obviously since he was unsettled. With Pandev, Milito and Eto'o they have good forwards. If Sneijder is out, then they have to play Stankovic I believe. Having Fabregas also, they don't rely too much on Sneijder. I'm sure both can play in one midfield.
d'Arc.LP
Karl-Heinz Rummenige: Schweinsteiger is not for sale - link

They always say this, but when a club with a big offer aproaches they just say, ok ok .

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 05:57 PM) *
They lose a huge talent, I surely agree with that! But he seems unsettled there. And Fabregas is considering his age the midfielder you want the most. If they need to sell Balotelli, then signing Fabregas instead is pretty hot for them.

Balotelli wasn't a starter this season, obviously since he was unsettled. With Pandev, Milito and Eto'o they have good forwards. If Sneijder is out, then they have to play Stankovic I believe. Having Fabregas also, they don't rely too much on Sneijder. I'm sure both can play in one midfield.


You know maybe Balotelli is not that good, but I rate him very high, that's why I think Inter would loose a very good talent.

btw Stankovic is still a decent backup for Snijder.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 06:01 PM) *
You know maybe Balotelli is not that good, but I rate him very high, that's why I think Inter would loose a very good talent.

btw Stankovic is still a decent backup for Snijder.

Yeah I agree, just trying to say they become EVEN STRONGER... (meh) ..with signing Fabregas...

I also rate Balotelli very high... I think he is good already! (but you can't say Fabregas has got less talent)
samira
both Fabregras and Torres has lost it a little bit but I cant still see Balotelli in Milan.

And why Real why do they need Honda ohmy.gif
Fillipo Simone
I'm not sure either, but...it could be a agent trick to lure a higher price.
Fillipo Simone
Interesting article at this link.
A sad story, how things changed and how Italian football lost much as the rivality died of.
samira
stupied of Real to buy then..
Not cause I want him in Milan ( cause I do) but they would not have any use of him cause they allredy have players that can play instead of him while we can need someone like Honda.
Fishdoll
Why do we think Real Madrid is interested in Honda?
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 6 2010, 08:30 PM) *
Why do we think Real Madrid is interested in Honda?

They are interested in everyone. biggrin.gif

(I have no idea either)
samira
QUOTE (JimboMilano @ Jul 6 2010, 05:16 PM) *
Anyway Real Madrid are also looking at Honda. I bet you guys we won't get him.

Link



because of this.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (samira @ Jul 6 2010, 09:35 PM) *
because of this.

Hmm..... I skipped that post I suppose tongue.gif

(pick Milan, pick Milan, pick Milan..)

Honda likes Milan BTW smile.gif he wants to beat Inter biggrin.gif
Fishdoll
In that article there's no mention that Real are after him. He is quoted as saying that his dream is to wear the #10 jersey at Real.
X-Offender
Palmeiras tentation for Ronaldinho

Please, just go!!!
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 6 2010, 09:40 PM) *
In that article there's no mention that Real are after him. He is quoted as saying that his dream is to wear the #10 jersey at Real.

Now I took time to read it... tongue.gif

....Real indeed doesn't seem to be after him...

I actually think we have a good shot at getting him (considering that Fly Emirates Asian thing)

Hey, we cannot rely on just Seedorf....... sure some prefer Pastore, Özil, Ganso or whoever..... but Honda is a good choice also, better than Hleb and Lazzari (I would still welcome Lazzari even if we sign Honda also)
samira
it's true Real and Man city is interessted in everybody but please go to Milan wink.gif
Honda Pastoe and Lazzari in the midfield.. mommy to much candy droolsmiley.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 10:49 PM) *
Hey, we cannot rely on just Seedorf....... sure some prefer Pastore, Özil, Ganso or whoever..... but Honda is a good choice also, better than Hleb and Lazzari (I would still welcome Lazzari even if we sign Honda also)


Flamini - Pirlo - Lazzari
Honda
Pato - Borriello


Hmmm...
samira
Pastore Pirlo Lazzari
Honda
Pato-Balotelli


hmm happy.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 6 2010, 09:58 PM) *
Flamini - Pirlo - Lazzari
Honda
Pato - Borriello


Hmmm...

Hmmm... where is Ambrosini?

I haven't said those should be the only transfers, and also I haven't said Lazzari should be a starter (maybe, or maybe not). I suddenly remember they ask kinda much for Lazzari lately? If so, then nevermind him of course...
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 11:03 PM) *
Hmmm... where is Ambrosini?


I was just trying put in the youngest possible line-up, but obviously Ambro would start over Flamini any day... at least for now.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 6 2010, 10:16 PM) *
I was just trying put in the youngest possible line-up, but obviously Ambro would start over Flamini any day... at least for now.

Just don't do that ever again. tongue.gif

I am kinda sick of all those line-ups with almost always Flamini and rarely Ambrosini. sad.gif

Especially because most of those line-ups got a new box-to-box and then Flamini as the DM, meh... Ambrosini is better in that...
d'Arc.LP
Nothing new about Krasic ?
I think he will not sign new contract with CSKA so in the winter we can sign him for free.

btw, Next season Gattuso, Flamini and Ambrosini will have to fight for one place (well Gattuso can leave Milan). Ambrosini was very good last season but he's just too old now. Gattuso last season was, hmmmm, or let's just say he wasn't, and Flamini didn't get too much time. I think that Allegri will and should choose Flamini becouse : he is younger, faster, can attack and very consistent.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 09:51 PM) *
Nothing new about Krasic ?
I think he will not sign new contract with CSKA so in the winter we can sign him for free.

btw, Next season Gattuso, Flamini and Ambrosini will have to fight for one place (well Gattuso can leave Milan). Ambrosini was very good last season but he's just too old now. Gattuso last season was, hmmmm, or let's just say he wasn't, and Flamini didn't get too much time. I think that Allegri will and should choose Flamini becouse : he is younger, faster, can attack and very consistent.

He's just too old now? Is that the best you can think of? Mister who is too old pwns Flamini fyi. Zanetti is way older. Should he have been benched this season also?

Very consistent in making wrong tackles? Very consistent in getting red cards? Ambrosini is more reliable than Flamini. Ambrosini tackling is better, better mentality, smarter / more intelligent, better header / is stronger. Flamini is indeed faster and can attack better. So IMO Ambrosini is the better DM of the two.

Are we still talking about Krasic? ohmy.gif
Fillipo Simone
Why does youth to do with anything?? I don't get it. IMO Ambrosini was consistent enough to say he's overall our best player in the last 2-3 years. If he maintains that kind of form he can play until 85. There's no need to give younger players the advantage unless they are better.
d'Arc.LP
Have you watched Ambrosini in our last 10 games last season ? He was very tired and couldn't make more than 60 minutes. Instead of that I saw a very good prepared Flamini for ex. agains Roma was very good and I can also remember Ambrosini's game agains Real Madrid. Both of them are very good. It depends on coach's tacticts but if we will play Allegri's 4-3-1-2 I'm not sure he will pick Ambro before Flamini. If we can buy a good DM than Ambro's on the bench , if not than he will play in midfield with Pirlo and Flamini.

I'm not underestimating Ambrosini, I really like him but we can't hang on players that can leave us in the middle of the road. I'm saying again that it will depend on Allegri's tactics 'cos they have different attributes. So don't missunderstand me I'm not being Flamini's fan here or Ambro's hater.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 10:18 PM) *
Have you watched Ambrosini in our last 10 games last season ? He was very tired and couldn't make more than 60 minutes.

He was very tired because Leo never gave him ANY rest, while barely using Flamini. If Ambrosini doesn't have to play 90 minutes every match, then he might be not so tired. wink.gif

Of course Flamini should play more often... but in most games, surely the big games, Ambrosini must start over Flamini as our DM.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 6 2010, 10:21 PM) *
He was very tired because Leo never gave him ANY rest, while barely using Flamini. If Ambrosini doesn't have to play 90 minutes every match, then he might be not so tired. wink.gif

Of course Flamini should play more often... but in most games, surely the big games, Ambrosini must start over Flamini as our DM.


In the big game, are you sure Ambrosini can run after players like Ozil and Messi ... can we trust him ?
I know he can do great against players like Gerrard, Lampard, but when it comes to the fast ones, I'm really in doubt he could do better than Flamini.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 6 2010, 10:28 PM) *
In the big game, are you sure Ambrosini can run after players like Ozil and Messi ... can we trust him ?
I know he can do great against players like Gerrard, Lampard, but when it comes to the fast ones, I'm really in doubt he could do better than Flamini.

YES, we can trust Ambrosini. He was immense against top teams like Real Madrid. Man, he will step up a lot in those matches. And he won't screw up, good mentality and his tackling et cetera are good against those teams. While Flamini is not as reliable and might make a wrong tackle.

From our midfielders I trust Ambrosini by far the most, surely in the big games.

edit: Ambrosini can handle the pressure so well, while I'm not so sure about Flamini
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 7 2010, 12:30 AM) *
YES, we can trust Ambrosini. He was immense against top teams like Real Madrid. Man, he will step up a lot in those matches. And he won't screw up, good mentality and his tackling et cetera are good against those teams. While Flamini is not as reliable and might make a wrong tackle.

From our midfielders I trust Ambrosini by far the most, surely in the big games.

edit: Ambrosini can handle the pressure so well, while I'm not so sure about Flamini

+1

QUOTE
In the big game, are you sure Ambrosini can run after players like Ozil and Messi ... can we trust him ?
I know he can do great against players like Gerrard, Lampard, but when it comes to the fast ones, I'm really in doubt he could do better than Flamini.

What makes you so sure Flamini would do better? Just that he's younger, meaning he's faster? Sissoko is also faster maybe, is he better?
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 6 2010, 11:54 PM) *
+1


What makes you so sure Flamini would do better? Just that he's younger, meaning he's faster? Sissoko is also faster maybe, is he better?


No it doesn't mean you are faster if you're younger, but that's how it is, Flamini is faster than Ambrosini and in a lot of games speed is very important for a Midfielder, esp. when the opposite team is on counter attack.
CHU-LIP
And might I add..... it's not all about being the fastest.... more important is anticipation (also position and concentration)
d'Arc.LP
Yes of course

Maybe we've started the discussion on the wrong topic.
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