il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 10 2010, 04:24 PM
he's actually amazingly talented and proven in europe, he did nothing major to hurt OM's CL tourney
Suhail 3
Apr 13 2010, 01:21 AM
Hugo Lloris is amazing pulls of some amazing saves and have never seen him blunder anything arghh abbiati why didnt you just go why i d pay 20 million for lloris the guys amazing
dunno bout mandanda
kurtsimonw
Apr 13 2010, 04:02 AM
I'm really not sure about Mandanda either. I'd rather we paid an awful lot more for Lloris, but then he probably wouldn't leave anyway.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 13 2010, 04:42 AM
Heard Man U are dead serious about Lloris.
Bluesummers
Apr 13 2010, 07:06 AM
The sad part of all this is we could have signed Llloris for 5m 2 years ago. But Galliani had to pull his regular stunt and say that was too much for a 20 yr old keeper.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 13 2010, 11:17 AM
Galliani already spoke on it recently. Everything was done, including a deal with the player and his agent. But Abbiati's refusal to move to Palermo screwed that deal up.
dst
Apr 13 2010, 11:39 AM
That's a seriously bad deal then...
Jack Sparrow
Apr 13 2010, 02:29 PM
Yup. Sucks. Abbiati screwed us over.
samira
Apr 13 2010, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 13 2010, 01:29 PM)

Yup. Sucks. Abbiati screwed us over.
He had is great moments and some bad.. so did Dida
Man U wont probably buy Llloris
but Llloris 5m 2 yrs ago? How much is he worth now
but I would take Mandanda over Llloris
kurtsimonw
Apr 13 2010, 05:57 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 13 2010, 02:29 PM)

Yup. Sucks. Abbiati screwed us over.
I can't see how Abbiati not moving would mean we can't sign Lloris. Surely we weren't going to use that many to finance the move, I'm sure we could find £5m from somewhere!
Jack Sparrow
Apr 13 2010, 06:09 PM
You'd have Dida, Abbiati and Lloris in the ranks. That's about 10-12 million in wages, and another 5 million just for the transfer fees.
Gone are the days when 10 million was pocket change.
TriniKing_CE
Apr 13 2010, 06:11 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 13 2010, 01:57 PM)

I can't see how Abbiati not moving would mean we can't sign Lloris. Surely we weren't going to use that many to finance the move, I'm sure we could find £5m from somewhere!
Exactly my thoughts.
TriniKing_CE
Apr 13 2010, 06:17 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 13 2010, 02:09 PM)

You'd have Dida, Abbiati and Lloris in the ranks. That's about 10-12 million in wages, and another 5 million just for the transfer fees.
Gone are the days when 10 million was pocket change.
I pretty sure if Dida or Abbiati were assured that they weren't going to be getting regular playing time, one would have realized their better option would be to move clubs.
whoarethepatriots
Apr 13 2010, 06:43 PM
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Apr 13 2010, 06:17 PM)

I pretty sure if Dida or Abbiati were assured that they weren't going to be getting regular playing time, one would have realized their better option would be to move clubs.
Yep
I also still stubbornly believe that we could have kept Gourcuff, if only we assured him of regular playing time, and told him that Ancelotti (the bane of his existence) and Kaka (only person who could keep him out of the squad) were leaving. Galliani at least must have known the last two points (worst kept secret in Milano at the time) and its astonishing that he still couldnt persuade him, especially considering the great season he had.
His negotiation skills have been off for a while though e.g. Zambrotta for £8m
MizNelson
Apr 13 2010, 06:49 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 13 2010, 03:17 AM)

Galliani already spoke on it recently. Everything was done, including a deal with the player and his agent. But Abbiati's refusal to move to Palermo screwed that deal up.
Funny, he had no problem going to a zillion other clubs before coming back here.
Strangely enough, in 2004, he chewed out Carlo on his website for the latter supposedly blocking a move that would've sent Abi to Palermo. Go figure.
QUOTE
You'd have Dida, Abbiati and Lloris in the ranks. That's about 10-12 million in wages, and another 5 million just for the transfer fees.
Not happening, because Milan are bringing Storari back for next season (against his wishes, I might add). Guess we won't learn.
whoarethepatriots
Apr 13 2010, 06:51 PM
I thought Storari was staying with Doria?
il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 13 2010, 07:01 PM
Sel them all and get Viviano, Sirigu or Curci (we must sedate Zamparini for this

)
MizNelson
Apr 13 2010, 07:13 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Apr 13 2010, 10:51 AM)

I thought Storari was staying with Doria?
Nope, Galliani confirmed "100%" that he was coming back next season, even though Storari was seeking a long-term stay over at Samp.
http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/tran...co-storari-from
il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 13 2010, 08:04 PM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Apr 13 2010, 02:13 PM)

Nope, Galliani confirmed "100%" that he was coming back next season, even though Storari was seeking a long-term stay over at Samp.
http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/tran...co-storari-fromWE should sell all of them/ NOT re-sign the rest and get 1-2 young ones
TriniKing_CE
Apr 13 2010, 08:29 PM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Apr 13 2010, 01:49 PM)

Strangely enough, in 2004, he chewed out Carlo on his website for the latter supposedly blocking a move that would've sent Abi to Palermo. Go figure.
I think I'm beginning to remember something of this sort now that you remembered it, and I remember being very upset that we would keep the looser!
CHU-LIP
Apr 13 2010, 08:29 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Apr 13 2010, 07:01 PM)

Sel them all and get Viviano, Sirigu or Curci (we must sedate Zamparini for this

)
and what if that new guy get injured?
Fishdoll
Apr 13 2010, 08:32 PM
I can fit goalkeeper's gloves over my fins!
Jack Sparrow
Apr 13 2010, 08:55 PM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Apr 14 2010, 12:19 AM)

Funny, he had no problem going to a zillion other clubs before coming back here.
Strangely enough, in 2004, he chewed out Carlo on his website for the latter supposedly blocking a move that would've sent Abi to Palermo. Go figure.
Not happening, because Milan are bringing Storari back for next season (against his wishes, I might add). Guess we won't learn.
Yes he did. I think Palermo were possibly offering lower wages.
My comment was mostly about why we couldn't get Lloris that particular season. And now that he's at Lyon (a CL club) which has actually gone further in the competition than us, it'll cost us thrice as much as it did then to land him. Lloris is pretty much a closed chapter.
Storari?? As what? First choice? Second choice? Say Dida is going away..even then...
Suhail 3
Apr 13 2010, 09:03 PM
You know what galliani should just shut up with his lame excuses we lost these players cause he didnt want them as bad
we lost ibrahimovic to inter suazo to inter and lloris not to mention how we nearly signed aly cissokho
galliani is just a bald liar yes a liar who needs to get a life and invest for real and once were close to signing someone pulling out all the stops sick of him
TriniKing_CE
Apr 13 2010, 09:06 PM
Storari is not a top GK. Neither are our other two most prominent options. I will not even consider Roma.
And I think they are all pretty inconsistent. I hope that all but one follows Kalac (out of our club) and the surviving one stays on as back up to a new (either top - already established or promising) keeper.
Fishdoll
Apr 13 2010, 09:11 PM
QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ Apr 13 2010, 04:03 PM)

You know what galliani should just shut up with his lame excuses we lost these players cause he didnt want them as bad
we lost ibrahimovic to inter suazo to inter and lloris not to mention how we nearly signed aly cissokho
galliani is just a bald liar yes a liar who needs to get a life and invest for real and once were close to signing someone pulling out all the stops sick of him
Galliani is doing a job. He's an EMPLOYEE. He's nto the one with money or the one withholding money from investments.
That would be Silvio Berlusconi. If you have a problem with the club, take it up with him.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 13 2010, 09:14 PM
Thank you. People forget that sometimes.
We lost Ibra to Inter for reasons already discussed before. He wouldn't come without CL..and calciopoli was going on then.
Suazo was a done deal. You can't help it if the player says no. He got f@cked though didn't he. Assh0le..serves him right!
Lloris...oh well. When you don't have money, you can't do anything.

Cissokho? 15 million? Hmm...I'll see him at Lyon for 2 more seasons before I judge.
TriniKing_CE
Apr 13 2010, 09:16 PM
QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ Apr 13 2010, 04:03 PM)

You know what galliani should just shut up with his lame excuses we lost these players cause he didn't want them as bad
we lost ibrahimovic to inter suazo to inter and lloris not to mention how we nearly signed aly cissokho
galliani is just a bald liar yes a liar who needs to get a life and invest for real and once were close to signing someone pulling out all the stops sick of him
We lost a lot more than just the one you mentioned. Some additional which I can recall at this time are: De Silvestri to Fiorentina, Henry to Barcelona, Amauri to Juventus.
Now while I didn't want them all. I agree Galliani should learn to keep his mouth quite instead of just exciting the public for no reason. And making us look either poor or cheap.
Fishdoll
Apr 13 2010, 09:55 PM

Cagliari have sacked Massimiliano Allegri.
QUOTE
Esonerato Allegri
Melis nuovo responsabile tecnico
Il Cagliari Calcio comunica di aver sollevato dall'incarico Massimiliano Allegri.
La guida tecnica verrà affidata all'allenatore della Primavera Giorgio Melis, coadiuvato da Gianluca Festa.
Ad Allegri vanno i ringraziamenti per il lavoro svolto e i migliori auspici per il proseguo della carriera.
[Cagliari Calcio announces that it has relieved Massimiliano Allegri of his duties. Coaching duties will be taken over by primavera coach Giorgio Melis and assisted by Gianluca Festa. To Allegri we offer thanks for his work and best wishes for his future career.]
http://www.cagliaricalcio.net/news/notizia...0&id_menu=1
kurtsimonw
Apr 13 2010, 11:18 PM
QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ Apr 13 2010, 09:03 PM)

we lost suazo to inter
At least they did something right.
Suhail 3
Apr 14 2010, 01:09 AM
the more i think about it jack sparrows wish of 40 million for summer and leo staying sounds sweeter and sweeter wouldnt want the 40 million going for just dzeko of course some nice talent from brazil like hernanes and hopefully leo can scout some
Linkman
Apr 14 2010, 01:59 AM
I think bringing a coach is money that could be spent elsewhere, like in actually signing players. Leo has proven himself to be a pretty good coach: with a squad, he could go on to prove himself a great one.
dst
Apr 14 2010, 09:34 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 13 2010, 11:14 PM)

Cissokho? 15 million? Hmm...I'll see him at Lyon for 2 more seasons before I judge.
Why don't you judge what whoarethepatriots said, Zambrotta's signing for 8m pounds?
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Apr 13 2010, 11:16 PM)

We lost a lot more than just the one you mentioned. Some additional which I can recall at this time are: De Silvestri to Fiorentina, Henry to Barcelona, Amauri to Juventus.
I'm glad we did not sign Henry and even happier we did not sign Amauri!
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 14 2010, 01:18 AM)

At least they did something right.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 14 2010, 11:26 AM
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 14 2010, 03:04 PM)

Why don't you judge what whoarethepatriots said, Zambrotta's signing for 8m pounds?
I'm glad we did not sign Henry and even happier we did not sign Amauri!

Agree with your second point, kinda. At that point when Henry was available, he would have been useless. Amauri, I don't know. He's kinda the Borriello type. But not for that price, I think.
Zambrotta's been a decent signing I feel. As far as fullbacks go, I rate him about as highly as I rate Abidal. In 2006 WC, he was great. One or was it two bad seasons in Barca, followed by Milan.
His wages are high. But otherwise, he has been a good if not spectacular signing. And drop it with the he was so old he was doomed to fail. If we'd thought that way, Cafu would never have happened.
Tbf, I don't think our style suits Zambrotta's style of wingplay to a T. He's not an express up and down type, more of a wily customer who jinks in and out. Defensively he's been great too. And offensively he's been consistent.
As for Cissokho..well I reckon we didn't lose much. The LB position is not the reason we're getting screwed. And would I have spent 15 million for Cissokho knowing what I do now about Antonini.. I don't think I would. So that worked out well I think.
If you must bash the management over a bad deal..then here is it like a poster pointed out. Knowing Carlo and Kaka were leaving, and still not putting enough pressure on Yoann to stay. What would it have taken? Some more money as wages, maybe a guarantee of matches and perhaps some preferential deals for Bordeaux. If I'd know this was gonna happen, no chance I would have sanctioned the Gourcuff sale. We're paying for that one I think.
Zed.D
Apr 14 2010, 04:13 PM
QUOTE
As for Cissokho..well I reckon we didn't lose much. The LB position is not the reason we're getting screwed. And would I have spent 15 million for Cissokho knowing what I do now about Antonini.. I don't think I would. So that worked out well I think.
It's not entirely like that cause it's football not mathematics. with a good, athletic LB like Cissokho we most probably would have done better in many games. it's about how one player can affect the whole team's performance - not just the position he plays in.
And what do you know about Antonini now? after seeing him this season I'm even more convinced that, while a decent backup, he's not Milan XI quality.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 14 2010, 04:22 PM
I think that mythical 'Milan XI' quality belongs to a bygone era. The sooner we can move on, the better. Let's not turn into Torino still talking about what could have been if not for Superga.
This is the new Milan. No big money, no big flair. We need to live with what we've got as best as we can. If we don't like it, if we insist on big money outlays and big rebuildings, we must look elsewhere.
Fishdoll
Apr 14 2010, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 14 2010, 11:13 AM)

And what do you know about Antonini now? after seeing him this season I'm even more convinced that, while a decent backup, he's not Milan XI quality.
I disagree. Is he stellar? No. Is he solid and improving? Yes. And he gives 100% every time he steps out on that pitch, which is more than I think some other players give.
Dracoris
Apr 14 2010, 07:15 PM
I disagree as well, given he keeps improving, Antonini is a proven first XI player in my book.
Not sure where to put this b/c I don't think we have a coaching transfers section, but Tassoti was tipped again to become head coach by goal.com today
Suhail 3
Apr 15 2010, 03:06 AM
Our forward line is preety good tbf keeping pato,borrielo and inzaghi is a must and it would be nice to bring paloschi back but im not too sure on huntelaar would be a gamble keeping him he does show some class at times e.g two goals against catania an that Belter of a shot just this last week are there any good alternatives ?
the problem quiet clearly lies in defence as a blind man can see
Jack Sparrow
Apr 15 2010, 04:08 AM
He's got a great shot on him. It's the rest of his movement that is hopelessly unsuited. At Ajax, there was Suarez to do all that running. Here we don't have the players to suit his style yet.
Bluesummers
Apr 15 2010, 08:02 AM
I'm really worried. Things are not looking good these days.
Theres a few rumours going around that Leo will most likely leave as Brazil will be giving him the head coaching job.
We'll not look for a coach outside the club; we'll promote Tassotti and Galli to the first team, which imo is a huge mistake. Tassotti has been the AC of the team for a while, so you all know what that means....he's buddy buddy with them all. It'll be hard to change that figure especially given the 9 years he's spent here but he'll probably make even less than Leo did so that works out in the mgmts interest.
As far as the transfers go...nothing big will be happening guys.
Dida looks to be closer to an exit as a renewal will most likely not happen. No new keeper will be coming in. Storari will probably return and if he refuses a return we will most likely look for another free transfer in a GK for 2nd or third string. Abbiati will be first. Roma's contract is also up so we'll see what happens with him.
As far as defenders go its most likely going to be an exit for Favalli and Kaladze and we'll be signing Yepes and Astori. Not really an improvement imo. If nesta isn't fit next season, we might sign another cheap old CB on a free and promote Bonera.
As far as midfield goes, i really don't see any changes taking place. The most we might do is make Mancini's stay permanent and Beckham might join us as his contract runs out in December. But I don't really see any big purchases in Hernanes or any other big players like that. There is talk that strasser might be joining the first team as 3rd/4th string midfielder. Ronnie is also looking likely to agree to his new deal which he will be making 6m/until 2013.
For our forewards...Hunt and Borri will most def stay. Inzaghi will most likely not be getting an extention so he will be gone. Pato will stay unless there is a redicilous bid for him so that one isn't determined yet. If madrid bid 70m, he's gone forsure. Paloschi is looking more likely to return as his co-own is up so we have to make a decision on him. Him and Verdi will probably join the first team and Zigoni will be sent out on loan.
Thats just what I've heard and seen over the last few weeks guys and thats the best of it

I honestly hope im' wrong and this is all just BS and Leo stays and we sign some players, I really really hope so because If whats written above takes place, we'll be a napoli in no time.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 15 2010, 08:43 AM
I heard pretty similar. It's looking more and more like Leo's leaving.
Allegri quitting sounds like another weaving in the pattern. He's a coach who's experienced in making more with less, so that might be the idea behind it.
I think any and all transfer plans will be up in the air this season. We'll have to see how things go.
Here's Galliani from football-italia:
QUOTE
Milan to focus on youth
Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani insists that the club wants to get as much out of its youth sector as possible.
Galliani has been encouraged by the
progress of Luca Antonini and Ignazio Abate who both came through the ranks at Milanello and are now regulars in the first team after several spells out on loan.
Speaking to Tuttosport, Galliani said: "I wanted to reinforce the structure of the youth sector to get it back to a very high level."
"We can confirm that a new era began for the Rossoneri's academy in the summer of 2009. We'll keep investing a lot in the youth sector. "
"Today, we are in the Coppa Italia Final with the Primavera who are also second in the championship. We are fighting until the end," he concluded.
Milan have tried to trim their transfer budget over the last year, signing players for free and bringing youngsters back from their loan spells at other clubs.
The bolded part worries me. That's not cupwinning progress.
And on another note...
Paloschi from quotes of the week...
QUOTE
"I have grown 5cm in a year. I am now six feet tall and the sudden growth spurt has caused muscle problems.” Alberto Paloschi now regrets trying out new gym equipment called 'The Rack'
Bluesummers
Apr 15 2010, 08:52 AM
Its a huge positive that were looking at the youth sector in more detail. That is what makes a club great, its youth teams.
If you look at the best team in the world right now;
You would be astonished how many players who play for the first team came out of the youth team:
Valdes
Puyol
Pique
Xavi
Iniesta
Busquets
Bojan
Pedro
messi
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We have to invest in our youth, its what will make us a great club in the long run. We are not an arsenal, we have to get this straight.
We don't poach youth from local teams at the prime age and build them into elite footballers; we build elite footballers from day 1.
However, what we are currently doing right now is poaching kids and that is good for the start, but we need to start looking at developing our own kids.
What Galliani is doing right now is spending our transfer funds in the youth system starting with better coaching. We have signed 2 huge youth coaches last summer as well as a world class youth scout. We promoted Fillipo Galli to Youth director and program designer which is a step in the right direction as he is our highest licensed coach sitting with a UEFA Pro.
What this means to those who don't know is that he is basically a World class coach with an incredibly high ability in developing athletes. Its a liscence that isn't given to just anyone. An example would be carlo ancelotti who does not have one and he's a champions league wining coach.
Furthermore, we have made deals with places like Pescara and other places which are known for bringing in a good stock of youth players that we can later sign when they are 12/13. We have made steps into developing better facilities starting with new pitches for the youth kids.
Its all very good and something that should have been taken care of a long long time ago and unforunately becaus it wasn't the first team has to now suffer because of it. The money to make this all possible has to com from somewhere and unforunately its coming out of where it hurts our first team, which is the transfer funds.
Bluesummers
Apr 15 2010, 09:10 AM
NEWS:
QUOTE
AC MILAN TO MAKE MANCINI A PERMANENT TRANSFERSerie A giants
Milan have decided to secure Brazilian midfielder
Amantino Mancini on a permanent basis in the close season, according to
MilanNews.it. The 29-year-old joined the Diavoli on a six-month loan deal from city rivals
Inter last January.
Club President Silvio Berlusconi openly questioned the move, insisting that Milan’s priority was to sign a new striker.
But despite the ex-Roma winger making a less than impressive impact in the Rossoneri colours, managing just seven appearances in all competitions, chief executive Adriano Galliani has reportedly given a thumbs up for the deal to go through.
Milan are expected to pay Inter €3.75 million to secure Mancini’s services under the terms of their January agreement.
GOAL.COM
QUOTE
GALLIANI VOWS THAT LEONARDO WILL STAY AT MILANMilan chief executive Adriano Galliani has ended speculation that boss
Leonardo will quit the club at the end of the season.
“I reiterate that Leonardo still has another year on his contract with us, but let’s focus on the league for the time being…” the director told
Sky Sport Italia last night prior to the Coppa Italia Primavera final between Milan and Palermo.
Leonardo is said to be unhappy with constant criticism coming from owner Silvio Berlusconi despite keeping the Diavoli in the hunt for the Serie A title with the smallest amount of resources available.
“Without injuries, Milan’s season would have been completely different,” admitted Galliani, who went on to reject claims that club legend Paolo Maldini is set for an executive role at the San Siro.
“We have an excellent rapport with him,” he said.
“But what I am reading is based on nothing. Although, I do understand that the media are hungry for news…”
Milan won the Coppa Italia Primavera after defeating Palermo 2-0 at the Scala del Calcio to complete a 3-1 aggregate win.
goal.com
mancini will most likely happen. I don't know about the leo thing though, I hope to god he stays though
Jack Sparrow
Apr 15 2010, 09:16 AM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 15 2010, 02:22 PM)

What Galliani is doing right now is spending our transfer funds in the youth system starting with better coaching. We have signed 2 huge youth coaches last summer as well as a world class youth scout. We promoted Fillipo Galli to Youth director and program designer which is a step in the right direction as he is our highest licensed coach sitting with a UEFA Pro.
What's the background on this? I'm really interested in who these people are.
Bluesummers
Apr 15 2010, 09:39 AM
the two coaches are:
Francesco Sità and Giovanni Stroppa. Stroppa is the head coach and Sita is the assistant.
The scout is Mauro Pederzoli.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 15 2010, 10:13 AM
And why are they so good? I mean how do you judge? What're their previous achievements/youth projects?
P.S: Asking, coz I don't know, not coz I'm questioning your judgement.
whoarethepatriots
Apr 15 2010, 11:12 AM
I hope bringing Mancini permanently is just a BS rumour.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 15 2010, 11:22 AM
Mancini is a squad option..no big deal. If Abate were to get injured next season, we'd need half-decent cover. Perhaps there's no one in the primavera who can make that jump.
Fishdoll
Apr 15 2010, 11:31 AM
They're sourcing milannews for the Mancini story and milannews is just saying they heard it. They're not citing anyone.
Today's Corriere is saying that Pato is on the market for a fixed price of 55 million and that both Real and Chelsea are interested. So the rumors are starting early. But I'm not too worried at this point. It's Corriere.
EDIT: To respond to Jack's comment about the Primavera not having anyone ready to make the jump, I'll note that I talked to some folks who saw the primavera coppa yesterday and they were pretty unanimous in saying that Verdi was easily man of the match and that he WAS ready. Verdi's a winger/am.
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