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elcordobez
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 29 2010, 03:39 AM) *
I have no probs wit that either, both the English and Italian version are working fine for me tongue.gif


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Must be because i'm in Australia
han2503
QUOTE (elcordobez @ Aug 28 2010, 06:40 PM) *
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Must be because i'm in Australia

Yep.

@ x-off swear1.gif Not done yet. I ain't changing anything until it's announced on the official site tongue.gif
elcordobez
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 29 2010, 03:38 AM) *
19:35 - Silvio Berlusconi is at Milanello probably give himself the announcement of Ibra in the Rossoneri.

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this is one of those times when i wish i had Milan Channel
Rossoneri7
I have never seen this forum busy like this, not even since the 2007 triumph in Athena blink.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 28 2010, 01:44 PM) *
I have never seen this forum busy like this, not even since the 2007 triumph in Athena blink.gif

You've been away for sometime well....


but ur still probably right! laugh.gif
han2503
QUOTE (elcordobez @ Aug 28 2010, 06:44 PM) *
this is one of those times when i wish i had Milan Channel

I had it but the cable company I susbscribe to no longer have the channel sad.gif

But as consolation they don't really say anything until it's done. Sure they talk about it during Milanello live amongst themselves but they don't reveal anything we don't know yet
JimboMilano
Champagne on ice, awaiting the annoucement

IBRA!!!!!!!!
TriniKing_CE
19:45 - It 's also got the official photographer of Barcelona, usually went to the Nou Camp whenever there is a significant acquisition or divestiture. The President of Barca, Rosell, came out of the Nou Camp, and went away. He expects the still way out of Adriano Galliani.

19:42 - Growing waiting for the announcement, which should arrive in minutes to the mouth of AC Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi arrived by helicopter at the sports center in Milanello. The premier met Allegri and spoke with the coach. The arrival of the President was not expected to Milanello.

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Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 28 2010, 11:28 AM) *
No, actually, that's not how it works at least at Milan. Look at the audited figures. Add up the 'player wages'.



If you know the process of how players get paid and their details, which I highly doubt they will reveal; please do us a favor and explain it then.



Please explain how Ronaldinho's wage process works smile.gif
Bluesummers
I can't wait until this deal goes through biggrin.gif


So excited!!!!


It'll get really interesting after this deal though; we'll see a sh*tload of bandwagoners dropping in once again laugh.gif


But another interesting thing we'll see is who the true rossoneri fans are. We'll see if they can swallow the Ibra pill devil.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2010, 06:50 PM) *
If you know the process of how players get paid and their details, which I highly doubt they will reveal; please do us a favor and explain it then.



Please explain how Ronaldinho's wage process works smile.gif

I think it would work like any wage an employee earns. You agree a term with your employes, but the government take a percentage out of that.

The numbers you posted imo are completely unrealistic. So you're saying that we technically pay Kaladze 8m every year?
Linkman
Ugh, just announce the friggin' thing already!
TriniKing_CE
19:49 - Klaas-Jan Huntelaar has left Milanello, its history Rossoneri ended. The Dutch will go to Schalke 04.

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Tennie
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2010, 01:50 PM) *
If you know the process of how players get paid and their details, which I highly doubt they will reveal; please do us a favor and explain it then.



Please explain how Ronaldinho's wage process works smile.gif



Blue, as han said, your figures above are completely unrealistic compared to what's in the financial statements. I'll go with the financials, thanks.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2010, 06:54 PM) *
I can't wait until this deal goes through biggrin.gif


So excited!!!!


It'll get really interesting after this deal though; we'll see a sh*tload of bandwagoners dropping in once again laugh.gif


But another interesting thing we'll see is who the true rossoneri fans are. We'll see if they can swallow the Ibra pill devil.gif

Let's face it blue, Ibra is no Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, C.Ron, Messi, Becks, etc. He's not going to attract that many fans.

Also what does being a true Milan fan have to do with this, people who aren't into this deal have their reasons, which are legitamate imo.

At the end of the day, Ibra is a great player, and if he helps us win something this season, that's great. But we'll see if we're all so happy about this in 2 years time wink.gif
TriniKing_CE
19:56 - Zlatan Ibrahimovic is signing the termination of his contract with Barcelona and the new contract which will tie him to Milan, arrived promptly by the law firm lawyer Cantamessa. There is great excitement outside the home of Barcelona and the same Ibra, jokingly said: "I'm here to sign the contract renewal with Bracellona. Guardiola asked me."

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X-Offender
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 28 2010, 07:59 PM) *
19:56 - Zlatan Ibrahimovic is signing the termination of his contract with Barcelona and the new contract which will tie him to Milan, arrived promptly by the law firm lawyer Cantamessa. There is great excitement outside the home of Barcelona and the same Ibra, jokingly said: "I'm here to sign the contract renewal with Bracellona. Guardiola asked me."

milannews.it


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TriniKing_CE
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X-Offender
It looks like Huntelaar left Milanello, receiving a faint applause by the fans waiting outside. So long Jan-Klass.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 28 2010, 11:54 AM) *
I think it would work like any wage an employee earns. You agree a term with your employes, but the government take a percentage out of that.

The numbers you posted imo are completely unrealistic. So you're saying that we technically pay Kaladze 8m every year?


Yes thats the only way it adds up into the 120s which is where our wage bill sits.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 28 2010, 11:58 AM) *
Blue, as han said, your figures above are completely unrealistic compared to what's in the financial statements. I'll go with the financials, thanks.



Wow...really....wow.

I've taken my time and tried to explain it to the best of my ability to the people here and all you do is knock it down and say no thats not how it is without even bothering to explain the process.

laugh.gif wow...careful! - m1ke
han2503
biggrin.gif I can see this dragging on past midnight. Which means that I win!! biggrin.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 28 2010, 11:58 AM) *
Let's face it blue, Ibra is no Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, C.Ron, Messi, Becks, etc. He's not going to attract that many fans.

Also what does being a true Milan fan have to do with this, people who aren't into this deal have their reasons, which are legitamate imo.

At the end of the day, Ibra is a great player, and if he helps us win something this season, that's great. But we'll see if we're all so happy about this in 2 years time wink.gif



hold on there han; I have a feeling quite a few people will not be happy about this transfer and might jump ship. Especially since Juve's becoming an all italian team; thats def going to attract some support world wide wink.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 28 2010, 02:04 PM) *
biggrin.gif I can see this dragging on past midnight. Which means that I win!! biggrin.gif

Common Han - Don't be like that!

Don't chicken out!

Be a man! laugh.gif
TriniKing_CE
20:02 - Ibra has put his signature on a contract that will tie him for the next four years at Milan. A short but now the official announcement is made, Ibra is Rossoneri!

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TriniKing_CE
Finally... After all the waiting and the delays - Its Official: Zlatan Ibrahimovic is ours.

devilsmiley.gif YESSSSSSSS! devilsmiley.gif

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Tennie
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:04 PM) *
Yes thats the only way it adds up into the 120s which is where our wage bill sits.



Wow...really....wow.

I've taken my time and tried to explain it to the best of my ability to the people here and all you do is knock it down and say no thats not how it is without even bothering to explain the process.

laugh.gif wow...your a real piece of work


No, you guessed at how it worked and even a cursory look at financial statements shows you're way off (almost double, in fact). I don't need to go into any further details than that.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 28 2010, 12:09 PM) *
No, you guessed at how it worked and even a cursory look at financial statements shows you're way off (almost double, in fact). I don't need to go into any further details than that.



sorry then I can't take what you say legitmately. If you are not going to explain yourself by proving facts and by stating thing like i'm guessing, I can't respect what you say smile.gif


As far as i'm concerned until shown otherwise; Ronaldinho makes 16m smile.gif
armiss
But With the morning SKY Who Wants To Be Alone ? beersmiley1.gif
d'Arc.LP
OMG I'm going to have a heartattack

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Han I'll think latter about your new signature tongue.gif
Bluesummers
IBRA IBRA IBRA IBRA IBRA
TriniKing_CE
20:13 - Galliani, Raiola and Ibra are expected to leave the Nou Camp for the announcement of what is now in fact objectively official.

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JimboMilano
20:20 - It 's born ! Zlatan Ibrahimovic is a Milan player !The official announcement is not because you are still deciding who should give , if Galliani and Berlusconi from Barcelona Milanello but Ibra is officially a Milan player.

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The baby is born - IBRA!!!!!
TriniKing_CE
20:20 - It 's born! Zlatan Ibrahimovic is a Milan player! The official announcement isn't yet made because it's still being decided who should give it, (Galliani or Berlusconi) & if from Barcelona or Milanello
... but Ibra is officially a Milan player.

milannews.it
Tennie
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:15 PM) *
sorry then I can't take what you say legitmately. If you are not going to explain yourself by proving facts and by stating thing like i'm guessing, I can't respect what you say smile.gif


As far as i'm concerned until shown otherwise; Ronaldinho makes 16m smile.gif


http://www.bilanciomilan.it/english/contoeconomico.html

Take a look at line 9a of the income statement. 166 million total wages for the entire company couldn't possibly include the wages you're hypothesizing (and for which you provide no proof whatsoever).

Of course, don't let audited financial statements come in the way of your certainty of being right. smile.gif
Dracoris
Well done Galliani. Very well done.



I'm guessing this will close our market. Still would like a Pirlo alternative, but beggars cannot be choosers.
TriniKing_CE
20:30 - Here's a preview of the program tomorrow for Ibra: The program for tomorrow will be very intense for Zlatan Ibrahimovic. The Swede will arrive after 12:30 with a private flight to land at Linate. Then the Swede will move at the sports center will Milanello where knowledge of his new coach and his new companions. At 19:45 the call, is scheduled presentation press conference at the Giuseppe Meazza stadium, after which, around at 20:30, there will be a walkway on the field at San Siro where Ibra receive the embrace of his new audience.

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William405
Welcome IBRA!
Adding him and Prince Boatang to the players subforum would be Highly appreciated ^^.
Anyone know the transfer fee?Is it 25mil?
TriniKing_CE
I think that can be done once it's seen on acmilan.com
Rossoneri7
So we got the prick ?
d'Arc.LP
I just can't wait for Football Manager 2011 biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 28 2010, 02:47 PM) *
So we got the prick ?

ohmy.gif Those words are no longer allowed on these boards.

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Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 28 2010, 12:30 PM) *
http://www.bilanciomilan.it/english/contoeconomico.html

Take a look at line 9a of the income statement. 166 million total wages for the entire company couldn't possibly include the wages you're hypothesizing (and for which you provide no proof whatsoever).

Of course, don't let audited financial statements come in the way of your certainty of being right. smile.gif


laugh.gif exactly!


That doesn't show anything at all; all you've done is given me the total figure. Give me the break down of each player and each staff.


I asked for Ronaldinho not the complete number; that number was posted by gazetta a long time ago laugh.gif
Furthemore that number has also dropped due to around 120s as posted by gazetta.

Comon Miss Audit-san, please do explain we are all waiting smile.gif


Please oh please! Educate us all on how the wage structure works smile.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 28 2010, 02:48 PM) *
I just can't wait for Football Manager 2011 biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

What about the actual Serie A season? blink.gif
TriniKing_CE
20:42 - Berlusconi left Milanello to leave the honors of Ibrahimovic to Adriano Galliani directly from Barcelona.

20:38 - Rosell, Galliani, Ibrahimovic and Raiola were leaving the office of the president of Barcelona then moved to another office but fell short and began talking to reporters. Meanwhile, Berlusconi is shared by Milanello, after greeting the team.

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Jack Bauer
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 28 2010, 09:48 PM) *
I just can't wait for Football Manager 2011 biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

You and me both. They usually make Ibra stronger than he actually is.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 28 2010, 06:49 PM) *
What about the actual Serie A season? blink.gif


FM 2011 will start with 2010-11 season biggrin.gif
Tennie
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM) *
laugh.gif exactly!


That doesn't show anything at all; all you've done is given me the total figure. Give me the break down of each player and each staff.


I asked for Ronaldinho not the complete number; that number was posted by gazetta a long time ago laugh.gif
Furthemore that number has also dropped due to around 120s as posted by gazetta.

Comon Miss Audit-san, please do explain we are all waiting smile.gif


Please oh please! Educate us all on how the wage structure works smile.gif


Given that nobody's published - anywhere - how the wage and payment structure works, my guess at it would be just as much fantasy as yours. Only thing is, I actually understand how financial structures work. If you want to continue to feel your guesses based on your completely unfounded supposition that the club pays the players' income taxes are valid, feel free to do so. but you haven't provided a source for that little bit of wisdom. not one. And the board's guidelines are pretty clear on unsourced information.
Dracoris
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM) *
laugh.gif exactly!


That doesn't show anything at all; all you've done is given me the total figure. Give me the break down of each player and each staff.


I asked for Ronaldinho not the complete number; that number was posted by gazetta a long time ago laugh.gif
Furthemore that number has also dropped due to around 120s as posted by gazetta.

Comon Miss Audit-san, please do explain we are all waiting smile.gif


Please oh please! Educate us all on how the wage structure works smile.gif


Oh boy. This is going to lead nowhere. Tennie's figures are coming from 2008, which is far off from 2010. And Blue, you're just making educated guesses. How about an agreement to disagree before this gets blown out of proportion. smile.gif
TriniKing_CE
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SPORT.ES
The leaders of Barca and Milan addressed the operation at the offices of the Camp Nou in a meeting that lasted for four hours, and the final leg of which is incorporated by the player.

The agreement, according to some unofficial sources, would stipulate that Ibrahimovic played his first season on loan at the club 'Rossoneri', and after this first year, the entity transalpina would have to sign him. The transfer is expected to close by about 25 million euros. An amount paid to the Barça Milan next summer. The striker signed for four seasons, at a rate of eight million euros for each one of them.

The 'summit' by Ibrahimovic began on Saturday at 16:30 pm and lasted until after 20:30. The delegation was led by Barca president Sandro Rosell, sports vice president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, and the director of football, Raul SanllehĂ­, that of Milan, for his vice president, Adriano Galliani. And next to them was the player's agent, Mino Raiola.

Ibra, ironically: "I come to sign a new contract with Barca"

Ibrahimovic joined the meeting past 19:30 pm, when the leaders of both clubs and Raiola and took more than three hours of negotiations.

The Swede was presented at the offices of Barca looking relaxed. Dressed in shorts and white camsiseta, 'Ibra' even managed to joke when reporters asked him about his situation. "I come to sign a new contract with Barca," he quipped.

Ibrahimovic travel to Milan on Sunday and would be presented at 20:30 pm.


http://sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_P...idseccio_PK=803
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 28 2010, 12:58 PM) *
Given that nobody's published - anywhere - how the wage and payment structure works, my guess at it would be just as much fantasy as yours. Only thing is, I actually understand how financial structures work. If you want to continue to feel your guesses based on your completely unfounded supposition that the club pays the players' income taxes are valid, feel free to do so. but you haven't provided a source for that little bit of wisdom. not one. And the board's guidelines are pretty clear on unsourced information.



There is nothing that requires sources.


I sated that players like Ronaldinho earn a wage of 16m from the club in order to be able to make the actual 8m wage they've been signed on because the crazy tax system in Italy takes 48% of their wage away.

You stated that this was false yet provided no evidence to back your claim. All you did was post a 2 year old audit statement with the overall Total. Whoopyidoooooo! I could have done that too.


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So comon now Miss Audit-san, If you understand how the wage structure works please do explain smile.gif
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