X-Offender
Jul 2 2010, 12:33 AM
According to Carlo Pellegatti, Barcelona are bombing Milan with phone calls saying "take Ibra, take Ibra".
LinkCellino says Milan have been of word and haven't made any offer for Lazzarri. In another interview, he said Cagliari won't sell him even if offered 100m.
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Fishdoll
Jul 2 2010, 12:37 AM
This fish thinks perhaps that Cellino is taking 'How To Be A Club President' lessons from Zamparini.
TriniKing_CE
Jul 2 2010, 12:38 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 1 2010, 07:33 PM)

According to Carlo Pellegatti, Barcelona are bombing Milan with phone calls saying "take Ibra, take Ibra".
LinkCellino says Milan have been of word and haven't made any offer for Lazzarri. In another interview, he said Cagliari won't sell him even if offered 100m.
LinkRegards to Ibra. Hmm....
Lazzari story...

What a joke! Who are Cagliari? They aren't a big club. If offered 25 I'm sure they'd pack his bags for him
TriniKing_CE
Jul 2 2010, 12:42 AM
QUOTE (JimboMilano @ Jul 1 2010, 02:19 PM)

Could be, but just yesterday Wolfsburg increased the asking price to 60 Mil. So I don't know what to think anymore.
Wolfsburg officials keep changing their mind on what to with their Bosnian striker Edin Dzeko.The club board wanted to keep the Bosnian international until recently, than they were tempted to sell him. The latest news is that their previous asking price of 30 million Euros has now increased to 60 millionsLink60 Mil for an unproven player (at the highest level). I can't see this being true. Utterly insane. They can shove it if this has any truth to it!
X-Offender
Jul 2 2010, 12:46 AM
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Jul 2 2010, 01:38 AM)

Lazzari story...

What a joke! Who are Cagliari? They aren't a big club. If offered 25 I'm sure they'd pack his bags for him

Of course they would, Cellino was just fooling around. They just want to keep their most important players as Cellino is afraid of relegating to Serie B next season.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 2 2010, 01:32 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 2 2010, 12:08 AM)

^ Possibly, but Dzeko is one of those players who'd do well in every league.
How so sure?
Up till now he really nailed the Bundesliga, and I think he's a striker that would do well in Italy. England? Not so sure.
Dracoris
Jul 2 2010, 01:48 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 1 2010, 08:32 PM)

How so sure?
Up till now he really nailed the Bundesliga, and I think he's a striker that would do well in Italy. England? Not so sure.
He's scored in the CL against the likes of Man U. More than once.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 2 2010, 01:54 AM
Ibra scored against spaniards as well..did he do good?
CHU-LIP
Jul 2 2010, 02:26 AM
QUOTE (JimboMilano @ Jul 1 2010, 10:57 PM)

Just to name a few... and now Ozil is in the spotlight, let's see where this story will go. That is why the Major teams like Chelsea, Barcelona, Madrid, Man U, Inter don't really look for players in Germany, because they know they could look amazing in germany and not be at the same level when playing abroad. The odds for a player playing in Italy, England or Spain to be great in Germany are higher then if it was to be the other way around. I would look for players in the French League before I even think about looking at the Bundesliga. Once again that was my opinion, so you can disagree with me

Those Major teams you mentioned ARE looking for players in Germany.
Why would you ignore the German league and look in the French league instead? Are you really thinking that black and white? How many awesome players didn't come from crappier leagues?
So you don't rate Dzeko and Özil. I don't understand why, or is it just because they are from 1. Bundesliga that you make believe yourself they can't be something that good? What about judging the individual instead of thinking oh Diego failed at Jube so now all 1. Bundesliga players will fail and are overrated? (Jube was as a whole awful BTW, and I can't say Diego was used how he should be used. I won't be surprised if he would shine in a new team. But he is just one player, so it doesn't matter really.)
''because they know they could look amazing in germany and not be at the same level when playing abroad''
This refers to ALL of them?
JimboMilano
Jul 2 2010, 03:22 AM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 1 2010, 09:26 PM)

''because they know they could look amazing in germany and not be at the same level when playing abroad''
This refers to ALL of them?
Because they (The Teams) knows that.
I am not saying I don't rate Ozil and Dzeko, but the way you make them sound is like their success abroad is 100% sure. We didn't really hear about Ozil before the WorldCup, so to me this is all hype, and I don't beleive in it.
Now Diego was ONE example, and yes I think a good chunk of them are overrated compare to other players in other league. I am not talking about german players only, but all of them.
I didn't say major teams are not looking for players in Germany, I said they are not "really" looking for players in Germany. We must admit that the German league is not that impressive, like at all, the few talents that are there are are limited. I like Dzeko, I really do. I watch few of his games and some youtube clips, he looked very impressive, but can you say the same for other striker in the bundesliga? All that I am saying is that this league's resources are very poor compare to the other ones.
Fishdoll
Jul 2 2010, 03:47 AM
You may not have heard about Ozil before the world cup, Jimbo, but how many Bundesliga games did you watch? I watch more Bundesliga games than La Liga games and trust me, they're a good league with good players of a high technical level -- their performance in Europe is a sign of that. The players you listed in your post above aren't even generally considered - Grafite and Dzeko aside - the best players on their team. Barzagli doesn't even start at Wolfsburg (or didn't for a lot of this year), for example. Podolski and Klose are good performers for the national team but are notorious underperformers for their clubs. Klose wasn't a regular starter for Bayern this year. I suggest that your arguments may be flawed because you're looking at the wrong players.
CHU-LIP
Jul 2 2010, 03:55 AM
QUOTE (JimboMilano @ Jul 2 2010, 03:22 AM)

Because they (The Teams) knows that.
I am not saying I don't rate Ozil and Dzeko, but the way you make them sound is like their success abroad is 100% sure. We didn't really hear about Ozil before the WorldCup, so to me this is all hype, and I don't beleive in it.
Now Diego was ONE example, and yes I think a good chunk of them are overrated compare to other players in other league. I am not talking about german players only, but all of them.
I didn't say major teams are not looking for players in Germany, I said they are not "really" looking for players in Germany. We must admit that the German league is not that impressive, like at all, the few talents that are there are are limited. I like Dzeko, I really do. I watch few of his games and some youtube clips, he looked very impressive, but can you say the same for other striker in the bundesliga? All that I am saying is that this league's resources are very poor compare to the other ones.
Of course Özil gets hyped because of the World Cup. But Özil is no stranger to me, I know him for some years now. He has been awesome at Bremen a very long time now. Of course you can make anyone good in youtube clips, but Dzeko has been awesome as well, and obviously you can't miss that watching Wolfsburg games on a regular bases.
Just like Fishdoll said, you aren't watching a lot of 1. Bundesliga, aren't you? I agree with everything Fishdoll just said.
JimboMilano
Jul 2 2010, 03:57 AM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 1 2010, 10:47 PM)

You may not have heard about Ozil before the world cup, Jimbo, but how many Bundesliga games did you watch? I watch more Bundesliga games than La Liga games and trust me, they're a good league with good players of a high technical level -- their performance in Europe is a sign of that. The players you listed in your post above aren't even generally considered - Grafite and Dzeko aside - the best players on their team. Barzagli doesn't even start at Wolfsburg (or didn't for a lot of this year), for example. Podolski and Klose are good performers for the national team but are notorious underperformers for their clubs. Klose wasn't a regular starter for Bayern this year. I suggest that your arguments may be flawed because you're looking at the wrong players.
Well maybe you're right. Maybe I see things differently because I am not a big fan of the German League, but I will take the Fish's word for it.
CHU-LIP
Jul 2 2010, 03:59 AM
QUOTE (JimboMilano @ Jul 2 2010, 03:57 AM)

Well maybe you're right. Maybe I see things differently because I am not a big fan of the German League, but I will take the Fish's word for it.

You are not a fan of the German League? I did not expect that!

Maybe you should not try to make such statements about a league you barely watch. Your knowledge about 1. Bundesliga is close to zero.
Linkman
Jul 2 2010, 04:34 AM
Every time I read "1. Bundesliga" I expect you to make some sort of second point, which never seems to come =P.
I do agree with you Chu, the bundesliga is a very strong league, both technically and physically. It's highly competitive (many strong teams, rather than just two-three), and overall I would consider a player that's proven in Germany to be of very good quality.
However, what we often forget about is that it takes a while for a player of any other league in the world to adjust to Serie A markers.
CHU-LIP
Jul 2 2010, 05:04 AM
I would say there is never a garantuee one will do also good in a different league, or even at a different club in the same league. Look at players who went from Premier League to La Liga, etc, etc. All players are different anyway.
But it's true. If you shine in 1. Bundeslage then you are of good quality. But quality players can shine in one team, and fail in an other team. And it's true, one player have more difficulties adjusting than the other one.
Every transfer is some kind of gamble/risk or so. It's just you need to find what seems to be the best bet...
QUOTE (Linkman @ Jul 2 2010, 04:34 AM)

Every time I read "1. Bundesliga" I expect you to make some sort of second point, which never seems to come =P.
Jack Sparrow
Jul 2 2010, 06:36 AM
I personally find the huge tactical setup of Serie A makes it next to impossible for individual players to shine on their own. They need the whole team to work for them.
It's true even for Italians. You can compare the DDR/Totti of Roma and the same players for the Azzuri. Playing in Serie A requires you have a lot of tactical vision, flexibility as a team player, patience and skill.
It's also one of the reasons why I feel Milan buy overaged players. Because the first 3 usually come with experience, and most of the 'oldies' we have purchased have that. (eg. Favster, Yepes).
It's also why I think Diego flopped. He has plenty of skill, but like most Brazilians he's a bit suspect on the other three.
I think it's a matter of individuality. If you were to take the four factors I've mentioned above, it almost becomes easy to predict who's gonna be a hit and who's not.
Becks is a success. Diego is not. Messi if he comes will be a success. But CR will not. All IMO.

R80 blows hot and cold for the same reason. On some days all four factors are on a roll for him. On other days he doesn't seem to play to tactics, or have the patience etc.
X-Offender
Jul 2 2010, 10:38 AM
This is something that will make CHU-LIP happy:.
Milan are after HondaCan't say it makes me happy though.
samira
Jul 2 2010, 11:14 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 2 2010, 09:38 AM)

This is something that will make CHU-LIP happy:.
Milan are after HondaCan't say it makes me happy though.
Now its three of us and I guess they are more then three though.
samira
Jul 2 2010, 11:16 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 1 2010, 11:33 PM)

According to Carlo Pellegatti, Barcelona are bombing Milan with phone calls saying "take Ibra, take Ibra".
LinkCellino says Milan have been of word and haven't made any offer for Lazzarri. In another interview, he said Cagliari won't sell him even if offered 100m.
Linkthis is unbeliveble !
Why should Milan take the left overs ?
Juve to crapteam , crapteam to Barcelona and then Barcelona to Milan. Come on even Gallini should say no to that. What happend to Piemer Leuage, Ibra?
Dracoris
Jul 2 2010, 02:56 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 1 2010, 08:54 PM)

Ibra scored against spaniards as well..did he do good?
Did he do bad?
I wouldn't mind Honda, he would expand this team financially if nothing else. The language barrier would be an issue.
Suhail 3
Jul 2 2010, 03:10 PM
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jul 2 2010, 02:56 PM)

Did he do bad?
I wouldn't mind Honda, he would expand this team financially if nothing else. The language barrier would be an issue.
im sure he ll learn italian asian languages barring urdu/hindi are all difficult to learn so he ll cope
sign him galliani

he can be our park ji sung - who can be important for united
samira
Jul 2 2010, 03:44 PM
Fenerbache is not the only one interested in Huntelaar.
linkMilan are interested in Hónda now that they have a free non-EU place in their squad after Nelson Dida’s exit.
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ForzaMaldini
Jul 2 2010, 06:26 PM
Dida, after 10 seasons, still didnt have an EU passport? :S
But yeah! Lets buy Honda..!

Jack Sparrow
Jul 2 2010, 06:26 PM
QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ Jul 2 2010, 07:40 PM)

im sure he ll learn italian
asian languages barring urdu/hindi are all difficult to learn so he ll cope
sign him galliani

he can be our park ji sung - who can be important for united
Are you from Pakistan/Bangladesh/India?? No one else would say that.
ForzaMaldini
Jul 2 2010, 06:34 PM
No Fabiano for me btw!!

He sucked big time against Ooijer, who has clubless!!!!
Lets aim on Ibra
Dracoris
Jul 3 2010, 02:28 AM
I read something today ( I don't remember where, you'll just have to trust me

) that said Milan was watching Ozil about 6 months ago or so and did NOT pull the trigger, due to none other than a lack of funds. Same thing with Dzeko about 2 years ago.
Back to Honda, I am starting to think he would not be such a bad deal. He's young and Japanese which tells me he is probably a very technical player which means he would most likely fit the Italian league well. It wouldn't hurt to have him taking free kicks for us either, he seems to be quite good at those. He just signed with Moscow in Dec '09 for 6m so I don't see him leaving this soon, especially with the money we'd be offering.
X-Offender
Jul 3 2010, 02:38 AM
I read we are after another Japanese player, a real child prodigy. He's very famous in his country, and can do skills with the ball no-one else can. I can't remember his name, but I think I have a photo.
Ta-dah!!!
Fishdoll
Jul 3 2010, 03:13 AM
So, now that the FIGC has changed it to 1 non-EU player a season, can we PLEASE GET GIUSEPPE ROSSI?????
Dracoris
Jul 3 2010, 03:23 AM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 2 2010, 10:13 PM)

So, now that the FIGC has changed it to 1 non-EU player a season, can we PLEASE GET GIUSEPPE ROSSI?????
What a silly rule change that was. I still can't believe they did that. Galliani and the rest of the club's presidents seem to share my feelings. I wonder if it will last.
Jack Sparrow
Jul 3 2010, 06:27 AM
Is it to be implemented from this season on? Or the next?
Fillipo Simone
Jul 3 2010, 09:15 AM
According to goal.com Milan are interested in Uruguay's center-back Godin.
vahid
Jul 3 2010, 11:03 AM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 3 2010, 02:13 AM)

So, now that the FIGC has changed it to 1 non-EU player a season, can we PLEASE GET GIUSEPPE ROSSI?????
What is that? we have too sell all of our non-EU players and just keep one?
QUOTE (X-Offender)
I read we are after another Japanese player, a real child prodigy. He's very famous in his country, and can do skills with the ball no-one else can. I can't remember his name, but I think I have a photo.
Tsubasa Ozora
X-Offender
Jul 3 2010, 11:39 AM
QUOTE (vahid @ Jul 3 2010, 12:03 PM)

Tsubasa Ozora

The best Japanese footballer ever, although my favorite was Taro Misaki.
Jack Sparrow
Jul 3 2010, 02:18 PM
Ha. His name is Captain Majid and he's from the Middle East. You blokes are crazy.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 3 2010, 01:18 PM)

Ha. His name is Captain Majid and he's from the Middle East. You blokes are crazy.
haha omg i remember those good days!! that cartoon was the reason why i liked football
Linkman
Jul 3 2010, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 3 2010, 09:18 AM)

Ha. His name is Captain Majid and he's from the Middle East. You blokes are crazy.
Wait I know him as Oliver Atom
X-Offender
Jul 3 2010, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (Linkman @ Jul 3 2010, 06:18 PM)

Wait I know him as Oliver Atom

Atom?
In Italy he's known as Oliver Hutton.
samira
Jul 3 2010, 05:44 PM
Isnt Sergio "Kun" Augero named after a Japanse Cartoon?
MizNelson
Jul 3 2010, 06:01 PM
Only ONE non-EU player a season? Ridiculous. Hopefully this'll get shot down faster than Cop Rock.
CHU-LIP
Jul 3 2010, 06:03 PM
Only 1 away from a total non-EU ban, yaaay, almost racism. Almost?
Fillipo Simone
Jul 3 2010, 06:20 PM
I don't think it's got anything to do with racism, but yes, it's stupid.
han2503
Jul 3 2010, 06:21 PM
What are the FIGC trying to do?? Italy is already slipping down the ranks faster then a bullet!! Now other countries can buy talent from other continents to their heart's content while Italian clubs can only buy one per season? Ridiculous!!! No wonder this league is going down the drain
TheOgre
Jul 3 2010, 06:27 PM
milan to sacrifice KJH and Ronaldinho for ibra
football italia
MizNelson
Jul 3 2010, 06:32 PM
It wouldn't be a sacrifice, just an act of stupidity. Ibra is poison.
CHU-LIP
Jul 3 2010, 06:33 PM
Have I already said that I hate Zlatan Ibrahimovic? Why we are going to use SO MUCH money for him? He is not young, not even close to it. If we are doing something crazy with money, there are better picks!
TriniKing_CE
Jul 3 2010, 06:38 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 3 2010, 01:21 PM)

What are the FIGC trying to do?? Italy is already slipping down the ranks faster then a bullet!! Now other countries can buy talent from other continents to their heart's content while Italian clubs can only buy one per season? Ridiculous!!! No wonder this league is going down the drain
+1 absolute SH!T
kurtsimonw
Jul 3 2010, 06:39 PM
It shouldn't make that much difference.
Premier League teams are hardly full of none-EU players and do fine. Just buy EU players, there's lots of good ones about.
TheOgre
Jul 3 2010, 07:36 PM
completely agree ibra is not who we need why not sell and buy dzeko makes way more sense to me. hahaha
Zamparini is visited by UFOs
samira
Jul 3 2010, 08:15 PM
Why why why Ibra?? they just want to get rid of him!!
Italian Leauge is really going down , now when Bayern Munchen came to the CL finales it going better for them, and it will suck even more if we buy Ibra when I rather pay 60 m to Dzeko, thats sh!t too but..
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