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KillerMax
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 26 2012, 02:17 PM) *
That Traore dude is clearly not a DM either, I don't know what the f*** he is tbh, he doesn't even look like much of a footballer from what I saw


BUT HE HAS LEGS!!!!
CrazyMilanFan
according to sky 6.5m is the final offer for Yanga-Mbiwa otherwise we go for free transfer next year.. if this is true then it is possible that we do have a full agreement with the player
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 26 2012, 05:08 PM) *
I don't think an unproven talent (Ganso/Affelay/Eriksen/etc.) is the answer here. we need a proven champion, of course I would've liked Fabregas for example, but we should consider the possibilities too. beside Kaka do you know any champion who would come for the same price and on a 6m contract? I don't.

Agreed. Back at the beginning of the transfer window I would have been against bringing back Kaka (he has done wonders for Milan and he is still very good, but he is no longer great, and other "returning stars" have flopped). My opinion has changed now. More than Kaka the player we need Kaka the leader. And who knows, coming back to Milan may give him the confidence and motivation to be what he once was (or, at least, closer to it). Also, if you look at it from B&G perspective, Kaka has enough appeal with the fans to help with ticket sales.

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 26 2012, 04:39 PM) *
there seems to be quite a lot on cassano out as well. I really dont see hte point we wont get a lot of money for him and he can be very useful to us anyway..

Lots of noise about Cassano being unhappy ("mal di pancia"). My guess is that he expected to become the new "star" of the team, but all the talk about Kaka is robbing him of that.

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 26 2012, 08:24 PM) *
according to sky 6.5m is the final offer for Yanga-Mbiwa otherwise we go for free transfer next year.. if this is true then it is possible that we do have a full agreement with the player

Quite possible. We do still have a lot of appeal for a young player with ambitions.

Reading many posts it feels like we are all suffering a bit from the "grass is greener somewhere else" syndrome. However, I am not sure that re-building the team on a more solid financial foundation is all that bad, and (reading news from other teams) we are not the only ones with reduced expectations, in Italy and outside. If I understand correctly, recent changes in tax law will impact both Spain and France in years to come. And I wonder how well PSG's "new Galacticos" experiment will really work, and how long they can keep it up (they can only field 11 players at a time, so many of their expensive acquisitions will worm the bench). It will be a good test for how serious Platini is about FFP (I don't see how their revenues can cover their expenses).

Finally, I still see us linked with Xabi Alonso. Any real hope there? (Or should I not bother asking ...)
acid911
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jul 27 2012, 01:47 AM) *
Finally, I still see us linked with Xabi Alonso. Any real hope there? (Or should I not bother asking ...)

The later. sleep.gif
kurtsimonw
Alonso would have zero interest in signing for us even if he was for sale.
dst
I really like Alosno, he is one of my favorites even though he's played for two of the clubs I dislike the most. But yeah he would not leave RM to play for a team which can only realistically challenge for the domestic cup.

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That Mbiwa kid... if he's that good how come other teams are not in the game for his services?

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Affelay is very good but not great, is not a leader as it's been noted and he would be too expensive to get.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 26 2012, 07:08 PM) *
Nesta was a Lazio legend before they had to do a Silva to him.

That does not make sense chronologically, you can say we pulled a Nesta on Silva though... tongue.gif
d'Arc.LP
Cassano's agent: "Cassano? It will definitely be a very long and tortuous transfer window..."
kurtsimonw
Just what we need!
Bluesummers
Yah it looks like he's gonna leave too
Jack Bauer
He can go **** himself.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 27 2012, 12:59 AM) *
He can go **** himself.


+1

Such behavior after all we did for him is pathetic.
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 25 2012, 01:47 PM) *
What through ball? It was Pirlo and Seedorf who assisted Ronaldo in his goals, not Kaká.

click here look at 0:44 to see how wrong you are
NEVER QUESTION ME ABOUT RONALDO happy.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jul 27 2012, 02:43 AM) *
click here look at 0:44 to see how wrong you are
NEVER QUESTION ME ABOUT RONALDO happy.gif


I thought you were talking about the goals.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 26 2012, 09:12 PM) *
To me, Nocerino is a DM. No matter how much he attacks, he still is a DM. He just has a Gattuso role.

We use to play:

Pirlo
Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka


and now we can play:

Monto
Boateng Nocerino
Kaka


Some of you I swear are thick... and not the good kind!

LOL what is that suppose to mean?

And the comparison between those two midfields is saddening.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jul 26 2012, 07:43 PM) *
click here look at 0:44 to see how wrong you are NEVER QUESTION ME ABOUT RONALDO happy.gif

K question. Did you consider Ronaldo as being fat when he played for Milan tongue.gif
Jack Sparrow
From rossoneriblog.

QUOTE
ADRIANO GALLIANI has given the fans a market update: confirming interest in Kaka and Yanga-Mbiwa.

Now that Milan have learned who they will face next season and when, in Serie A, they management can return to thinking about the market and it looks like they are in for a busy summer in the negotiations front.

Massimiliano Allegri has made it clear that he wants at least 3 signings – one for each department. Milan are working on the market and have an opportunity to bring Real Madrid’s Kaka back this summer.

“The negotiations for Kakà are very very difficult. There are thousands of things to sort out,” il Diavolo Vice President and CEO Adriano Galliani said on the evening of the calendar draw. “As always, the problem is money. Milan cannot afford some wages, especially because in Spain they have a different fiscal structure.

“The law there has changed for future wages, but the contracts that were already signed are still valid under the old tax code. Kakà is a great player and he’s still in the hearts of the Milanisti. We will try to do what we can to sign him. The players chose their shirt numbers. It wasn’t a decision made by the club. Antonio Nocerino chose the number 8 so for the moment we’ll leave number 22 alone,” Galliani then added.

It is believed that Milan are willing to sign Kaka on loan with an option to buy him the next summer from Real Madrid. Galliani confirmed that he’ll meet Madrid’s President Florentino Perez in two weeks to talk.

Galliani has confirmed that “the negotiations for Yanga-Mbiwa are real. It’s a question of money, just like all other negotiations” and he will personally go to meet the President of Montpellier to negotiate the deal. According to reports, Milan have offered €6.5 million for the player. They already have an agreement with the player who will reportedly join Milan next summer on a free transfer, if the deal doesn’t happen now.

In addition to a midfielder – Kaka – and a center back – Yanga-Mbiwa, the Rossoneri are also looking to sign a striker but Uncle Fester rules one name out of the list: “Leandro Damião? As soon as you score 5 goals in Brazil you’re suddenly worth €25m. Their valuations are exaggerated.” Milan keep searching.

The squad is still not complete but on August 26 Milan will take on Sampdoria at Stadio San Siro for the first game of the season. Will Kaka, Yanga-Mbiwa and another striker will be there? Only time will tell that.


laugh.gif At the Brazil part.
CrazyMilanFan
i read that brazil bit and it is quite true.. although Damio did look good yesterday..
Jack Bauer
Twitter:

Didac Vila joins Valencia on loan with a redemption option by the end of season. Details: €1m for loan + €4m for redemption.

"I will go to Montpellier next week and then we will see what happens. We have made an official offer for Mbiwa" - Gallian

Real Madrid would be willing to send Nuri Sahin on loan so that he can get playing time and return in 2013. Reportedly to Arsenal.

Corriere dello Sport is also reporting that Milan could sign Real Madrid's Sami Khedira for 10m if Modric arrived.

The Belgian club, Lierse SK, has signed the Milan-owned striker, Uros Palibrk, on a 1-year loan deal

Sampdoris's president:: "Cassano? We'll find him as a rival for the first time, I don't know anything about Inter, he wants to return to Genoa, but at the moment, Genoa is closed.. maybe in the future"

Il Giornale reports that Cassano’s entourage called Massimo Moratti yesterday.

Milan could be thinking in Micah Richards for being Thiago Silva's replacement [TalkSPORT]

Como have signed the Milan-owned goalkeeper, Filippo Perucchini, on a 1-year loan deal

The names for the attack remain the same: Tevez, Dzeko (who earn to much) and Matri (earns below 2m yearly), Gazzetta reports

While having dinner today at Giannino, Preziosi offered Dániel Tőzsér to Galliani. Genoa bought him as a free agent from Genk [Sky]
Zed.D
Thanks for the updated Jack Bauer.

I'm not gonna judge until this transfer window closes but if Cassano leaves I'll never forgive him!
han2503
We need to hold on to Cassano no matter what. I don't know WTF they're doing at Via Turati, but the fact that all of our good players want to leave or have been sold is just not acceptable.

Offer Cassano an extension and give him a straight answer as to what his role at Milan will be. If anything, had Ibra stayed he would have been a bench player. This is his time to step up so I don't get the talk about him not being happy because he's not at the center of the plans for next season. If this is the case then I don't know WTF Allegri is planning to do next season considering out limited options in basically every department
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 27 2012, 05:18 PM) *
We need to hold on to Cassano no matter what. I don't know WTF they're doing at Via Turati, but the fact that all of our good players want to leave or have been sold is just not acceptable.

Offer Cassano an extension and give him a straight answer as to what his role at Milan will be. If anything, had Ibra stayed he would have been a bench player. This is his time to step up so I don't get the talk about him not being happy because he's not at the center of the plans for next season. If this is the case then I don't know WTF Allegri is planning to do next season considering out limited options in basically every department


Don't worry, we'll sign Matri.
Jack Sparrow
But it's clear to me that it's not the club's fault here. It's just Cassano wanting to get out. Maybe he thinks he's on a sinking ship? That's the only explanation. Allegri has always relied on him, so that's complete BS.

He is on 4 million a year, so it can't be the money, since he's one of our highest paid players.

I'm hoping this is just a phase he's going through. He will probably want to see the type of players being brought in.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 27 2012, 06:29 PM) *
But it's clear to me that it's not the club's fault here. It's just Cassano wanting to get out. Maybe he thinks he's on a sinking ship? That's the only explanation. Allegri has always relied on him, so that's complete BS.

He is on 4 million a year, so it can't be the money, since he's one of our highest paid players.

I'm hoping this is just a phase he's going through. He will probably want to see the type of players being brought in.


Agreed, and I think we loose sight of the clubs objectives when we assume the men in charge are clueless or trying to weaken the side on purpose. The logic of it all is lost as well.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 27 2012, 03:09 PM) *
Didac Vila joins Valencia on loan with a redemption option by the end of season. Details: €1m for loan + €4m for redemption.

This is the kind of thing that annoys me. Why do our anagement have this obsession with lying and talking for the sake of it? Villa was supposedly our LB for the season, a few games into pre-season and he's gone.

Can't wait for Berlusconi to sell up to people who care about Galliani to be gone.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 27 2012, 06:29 PM) *
This is the kind of thing that annoys me. Why do our anagement have this obsession with lying and talking for the sake of it? Villa was supposedly our LB for the season, a few games into pre-season and he's gone.

Can't wait for Berlusconi to sell up to people who care about Galliani to be gone.


He didn't actually play any of the pre-season games. And no, I don't think he ever was considered our LB choice for the season. He was either gonna be a sub, or be loaned out again. I guess Allegri knows better, considering he sees him in training every day.

I really want us to sign Santon.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2012, 06:32 PM) *
He didn't actually play any of the pre-season games. And no, I don't think he ever was considered our LB choice for the season. He was either gonna be a sub, or be loaned out again. I guess Allegri knows better, considering he sees him in training every day.

Don't tell me he's worse than Taiwo and Mesbah. I have seen all of Antonini, Mesbah, Taiwo and Vilà play. And Antonini and Vila are superior to the other two.

I am so annoyed we still are stuck with Mesbah and Taiwo, especially because I already thought they were out. Both have been so bad, it hurts thinking about seeing one play for us.

And since when you rate what Allegri thinks?
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 27 2012, 06:55 PM) *
Don't tell me he's worse than Taiwo and Mesbah. I have seen all of Antonini, Mesbah, Taiwo and Vilà play. And Antonini and Vila are superior to the other two.

I am so annoyed we still are stuck with Mesbah and Taiwo, especially because I already thought they were out. Both have been so bad, it hurts thinking about seeing one play for us.


Well, Taiwo will be sold for certain. And there's still a possibility for Torino to sign Mesbah, considering Allegri doesn't want him. So that would only leave Antonini, and hopefully a new, quality LB.

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 27 2012, 06:55 PM) *
And since when you rate what Allegri thinks?


He's the coach. He knows him 10x better than me.
Zed.D
Wasn't Urby supposed to be our LB next season? if yes then why are you guys worried about Mesbah and Taiwo?

Or maybe we're going to use De Sciglio in the left side? he's pretty much at the beginning of his career, he can adapt. there's been many of them before who started out at a position and soon moved to another. De Sciglio showed he's comfortable as a LB (against Inter and Zanetti no less) so why not? because as much as I'm opposed to Abate being our regular RB, that's exactly what he's going to be, our fixed RB.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2012, 05:32 PM) *
He didn't actually play any of the pre-season games. And no, I don't think he ever was considered our LB choice for the season. He was either gonna be a sub, or be loaned out again. I guess Allegri knows better, considering he sees him in training every day.

Here. Galliani just loves the sound of his own voice. Wish he'd just **** off.
Zed.D
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 27 2012, 09:50 PM) *
Here. Galliani just loves the sound of his own voice. Wish he'd just **** off.


Yeah I remember reading that. the bald genius strikes again.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2012, 08:09 PM) *
Well, Taiwo will be sold for certain. And there's still a possibility for Torino to sign Mesbah, considering Allegri doesn't want him. So that would only leave Antonini, and hopefully a new, quality LB.

Yes, we want to offload both. Taiwo is 99% out and wasn't included in the USA trip. To get rid of Mesbah will be harder as he's determined to fight for a place. if the later leaves as well, I think we'll buy another fullback.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 27 2012, 07:19 PM) *
Wasn't Urby supposed to be our LB next season? if yes then why are you guys worried about Mesbah and Taiwo?


No, nobody's ever mentioned about Urby being our starting LB for next season. Allegri will continue using him as LCM, or, god forbid, as AM.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 27 2012, 07:20 PM) *
Here. Galliani just loves the sound of his own voice. Wish he'd just **** off.


That's usual Galliani bullshit. He doesn't say though that he was gonna be our starting LB.
Zed.D
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2012, 09:02 PM) *
No, nobody's ever mentioned about Urby being our starting LB for next season. Allegri will continue using him as LCM, or, god forbid, as AM.


I'm sure I read something about him being our LB next season (from Allegri, IINM).
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 26 2012, 09:38 PM) *
I thought you were talking about the goals.
Why yes I was good Sir...the first goal he scored was assisted by a Kaka through ball smile.gif



QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 27 2012, 02:56 AM) *
K question. Did you consider Ronaldo as being fat when he played for Milan tongue.gif

Never!!! sleep.gif Being such a bigtime player it's only logical that he'd be big cool.gif


C@$$an0
As regards our current transfer rumors f**k C@$$ano!!! Many will forgive him, his ingratitude and utter lack of character as he's a white Italian, such courtesies aren't available to Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Balotelli for obvious reasons. wink.gif

He just might be more of a mercenary than iBra who in the end was actually a stand-up guy for us!!! If he goes to Inter I might hate him almost as much as I do the overrated ladri scum. I see people are defending him (in other places) under achieving @$$ saying that he simply doesn't want to be the go-to guy and other sorts of hogwash.

Mbiwa
In other news I know nothing about Mbiwa but from the looks of it he might do an ok job. If we do get him 99% of the Galliani haters need to stfu because this isn't an easy one to pull off. Yes his contract will be up next year but there's nothing to stop the overcharging brigade (Real, Manure, $h!tty and Chel$k!) from out-muscling us financially.

A striker

Seriously, this is the time for Pato to step up. It's now or never. We need a significant contribution from Robinho too. As the most idiotic member on this forum I feel free to openly support letting Beretta/Ganz getting some serious minutes.....I remember how well Paloschi was doing with us until we inexplicably decided to loan him out and then inanely expected Huntelaar to replace him.....out wide dry.gif . A STRIKER IS NOT A PRIORITY THIS SEASON.

CDM/LB

The most consitently ignored position in Milan. I expect more consistency from our consistent management king.gif
Zed.D
I'm with you on Cassano, dru. but let's wait and see what happens, maybe we're overreacting to some BS/twisted rumors and news and there's nothing going on.
drucurl
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 27 2012, 03:19 PM) *
I'm with you on Cassano, dru. but let's wait and see what happens, maybe we're overreacting to some BS/twisted rumors and news and there's nothing going on.


I think at this point the only truly (kinda) positive rumor is Kaká coming back.....It would also be hilarious and tragic at the same time if $h!tlegri doesn't play him because he's not Muntari.

Again, I'd like to re-iterate that WE DON'T NEED HIM TO BE HIS 2007 SELF. The pace is taken care of with the runs of Prince, Pato and Robinho.

What we DO need is a proper ball winner and a decent passing CB to give him the ball in the first place so that he can work his magic with his passes, shots and ...dare I say....runs blink.gif Ricky and Mbia are the only transfers that I'm hopeful for
X-Offender
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jul 27 2012, 08:55 PM) *
Why yes I was good Sir...the first goal he scored was assisted by a Kaka through ball smile.gif


No, sir, you were not good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hya9Pc1ozzU

His first goal was assisted by Pirlo, the second by Seedorf.

wink.gif
X-Offender
Montpellier have already signed Yanga-Mbwia's replacement, Daniel Congrè from Toulouse for €5 million.

Link

I'd say the chances of us signing him are pretty good at this point.
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2012, 05:25 PM) *
No, sir, you were not good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hya9Pc1ozzU

His first goal was assisted by Pirlo, the second by Seedorf.

wink.gif


You're right....that was Pirlo ( puke.gif ) who assisted him for the first goal....could have sworn it was Kaka....was mixing it up with the Empoli game...my bad well done sir smile.gif
Dracoris
Kaka will be a good purchase for us. Saw this formation earlier:

Montolivo - CDM - Nocerino
Boateng Kaka
Pato


I like it.


Also, I saw that we were mildly linked with Hernanes today via goal.com.

X-Offender
I'd still play

Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino
Kaká
Pato - Cassano


if we got Kaká. Time to get in touch with modern football and play super-offensive like all big clubs do.
Dracoris
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2012, 11:07 PM) *
I'd still play

Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino
Kaká
Pato - Cassano


if we got Kaká. Time to get in touch with modern football and play super-offensive like all big clubs do.

I like this too....Can't go wrong with Kaka, IMO.
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2012, 11:07 PM) *
I'd still play

Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino
Kaká
Pato - Cassano


if we got Kaká. Time to get in touch with modern football and play super-offensive like all big clubs do.

How's this for vision and defense splitting? cool.gif
Kaka to Ronaldo = Pure Beauty
That was almost as good as Kaka to Crespo in '05 smile.gif
acid911
The pass was great, the goal was better. happy.gif So effortless. Stuff of dreams, truth be told.
Zed.D
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 28 2012, 07:37 AM) *
I'd still play

Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino
Kaká
Pato - Cassano


if we got Kaká. Time to get in touch with modern football and play super-offensive like all big clubs do.

Agreed.

I don't think we need a DM in the classic sense of the word, players designed to only destroy, with limited technique, passing ability, etc.

Look at Busquets, he's supposed to be a DM yet he arguably has as much technique, vision, and a good pass on him as Montolivo plus he's a decent ball winner. nowadays being a good DM is more about that. at least with successful teams.

And to think we're quite used to seeing not one but TWO classic DMs in recent years (except under Leonardo)... dry.gif
Fillipo Simone
Nope, that won't be good enough for Serie A, even a crippled one.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 28 2012, 04:02 AM) *
Nope, that won't be good enough for Serie A, even a crippled one.


I didn't see Van Bommel having such a crucial effect in our play last year in Serie A. I think the job can be done with different tactics. I don't believe we should pull a stunt and try something like what Luis Enrique attempted here in Serie A. But we have tried this formation before and it has worked for us and it can work again. Also seems like a good idea considering our short budget.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 28 2012, 09:02 AM) *
Nope, that won't be good enough for Serie A, even a crippled one.

Won't work for Serie A? And the counter-productive system we deployed last season did?

The fact is that Allegri's negative tactics only worked because Ibra basically was a one man show upfront. That is not the case any longer, our strikers require the best support and service from our midfield and that will only come if we play a far more refined game in that area than we have done in the last 2 seasons.

2 destroyers or even worse, the 3 Allegri likes to use is overkill, especially in the league. We need to find a balanced system and not continue to play the one dimensional cr@p we used to, because without Ibra pulling all that weight, it will fail miserably

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 28 2012, 10:09 AM) *
I didn't see Van Bommel having such a crucial effect in our play last year in Serie A. I think the job can be done with different tactics. I don't believe we should pull a stunt and try something like what Luis Enrique attempted here in Serie A. But we have tried this formation before and it has worked for us and it can work again. Also seems like a good idea considering our short budget.

Agreed
KillerMax
Who wishes we had Zeman as coach like me? I think with him and a couple offensive signings we could have devastated Serie A and won scoring lots! He likes to play wingers right?

Imagine:


Pato
Cassano ---------- Robinho
Nocerino Montolivo Boateng
LB Mexes CB Abate


Could work..
Jack Bauer
Milan and Dynamo Kiev have already signed a contract for Taye Taiwo: a €500.000 loan with a buyout clause set at €2m paid over 3 years [Sky]

Sky reports that Milan will replace Didac and Taiwo with Dossena

Corriere reports that Milan have made an offer of €6m for Balzaretti

Medaiset says Cassano will stay at Milan for but in January 2014 he could ask to move to Sampdoria where he wants to end his career.

Didac Vila will be joining Valencia on a €700.000 loan with a buyout clause. [Mundo Deportivo]

Kevin Constant could be playing as the left back for Milan [Sky]

Milan's offer for Yanga-Mbiwa is €6.5m. Montpellier want at least €8m. (Gazzetta dello Sport).

Tuttosport reports that Lazio and Genoa have offered Matuzalem and Kucka to Milan, but Galliani rejected both options.

Milan could be considering to sign Simon Poulsen as a Didac Vila/ Taye Taiwo replacement. The player was offered by his agent to Milan [Sky]

Two days ago, Galliani spoke with Cagliari's president, Cellino, about Davide Astori. They will meet again next week. [GdS]

ZAMPARINI: "By the end of the next week, we'll now Balzaretti's future. Roma is interested, but if he returns on July 31st, then he'll stay"

Milan will reportedly only sign Kaka if he's being sent on a free loan and Milan only has to pay 50% of his wages (4.5m) [Milannews]
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