d'Arc.LP
Jul 23 2012, 11:14 AM
Milan's three primary transfer targets (currently): Yanga-Mbiwa, Lassana Diarra and Tevez.
source: Milanello/twitter
han2503
Jul 23 2012, 12:24 PM
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 23 2012, 10:14 AM)

Milan's three primary transfer targets (currently): Yanga-Mbiwa, Lassana Diarra and Tevez.
source: Milanello/twitter
Well, at least that information is encouraging. Although changing Diarra with Strootman would be great
d'Arc.LP
Jul 23 2012, 12:36 PM
Newcastle left-back Davide Santon says he doesn't think of ever returning to Inter and reveals he supported Milan as a child.
dst
Jul 23 2012, 12:42 PM
Santon? I had completely forgotten he even existed I had no idea he was at Newcastle!
drucurl
Jul 23 2012, 02:21 PM
We need a CDM, CB and a LB. Those are absolutely essential.
We can soldier on till December or even next season with our options in attack and hope for the best. However not getting those three positions in this running joke of a homeless man's excuse for the galacticos (Zidanes and Pavones) will sink us even deeper
d'Arc.LP
Jul 23 2012, 02:25 PM
The newspaper Corriere della Sera says Yanga-Mbiwa to Milan could be closed in 48 hours. Gazzetta says negotiations haven't even started.
According to the Catalan newspaper 'Sport', Real Madrid are putting Kaka up for sale for just €10 million
X-Offender
Jul 23 2012, 02:31 PM
Kaka's problem is his wage, not his price.
KillerMax
Jul 23 2012, 02:56 PM
Will never forget this picture:

Kaka was a god with us! Him and Sheva togther where something out of f@cking comic book.
Nesta, Costacurta, Maldini, Kaka, Sheva
What have we become...?
d'Arc.LP
Jul 23 2012, 03:00 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 23 2012, 03:31 PM)

Kaka's problem is his wage, not his price.
Which he reportedly has agreed to lower to 4.5 million if Real Madrid lets him go.
dst
Jul 23 2012, 03:09 PM
@Max I love that pic!
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 23 2012, 05:00 PM)

Which he reportedly has agreed to lower to 4.5 million if Real Madrid lets him go.
If it's true that he's serious about wanting to be part of the Brazil NT for the '14 WC then he must be willing to lower his wages. What more can he earn anyway, I mean he's made so much money already I'll be happy to see him put football over money even though I'm afraid it's going to be like when Sheva came back if Kaka joins us.
X-Offender
Jul 23 2012, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 23 2012, 04:09 PM)

@Max I love that pic!
If it's true that he's serious about wanting to be part of the Brazil NT for the '14 WC then he must be willing to lower his wages. What more can he earn anyway, I mean he's made so much money already I'll be happy to see him put football over money even though I'm afraid it's going to be like when Sheva came back if Kaka joins us.
Well, unlike Sheva, he'll definitely be a starter for us. However, the guy's only a shadow of his former self, and he's just hit 30. I'd rather spend the money we have on youngsters.
Dracoris
Jul 23 2012, 03:29 PM
We need Kaka because Milan needs a leader. Antonini is an alternative captain for us, that alone makes Kaka's purchase price a valid one. Kaka can still contribute to this team in more ways than just on the field.
BVR
Jul 23 2012, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 23 2012, 10:18 AM)

Well, unlike Sheva, he'll definitely be a starter for us. However, the guy's only a shadow of his former self, and he's just hit 30. I'd rather spend the money we have on youngsters.
Couldn't agree more!!! Especially if they are Italian youngsters as those tend to stay in the club longer. Considering that Galliani is constantly lamenting deterioration of Italian football and lack of funds to sign mega-stars it is time Italy start following Brazillian example and create their own stars.
d'Arc.LP
Jul 23 2012, 03:35 PM
Sportmediaset says Juve will buy Andrea Poli for 5 million plus half of Bouy and then send him to Fiorentina (formula unknown) for Jovetic.
Zed.D
Jul 23 2012, 04:06 PM
I don't want Kaka back but 10m is a bit tempting. besides, the partnership between Kaka and pretty much all of our strikers, including Pato, was awesome. I don't know... I guess I won't pull my hair out if we sign him.
Dracoris
Jul 23 2012, 04:23 PM
A kaka + pato partnership would be alright with me! Having Kaka back in the team would benefit SES's growth as well, assuming that he still gets playtime with Kaka in the team.
CrazyMilanFan
Jul 23 2012, 05:33 PM
brazil press was saying that kaka rejected Corinthians bcoz he would like to stay with Madrid rite now.
Jack Sparrow
Jul 23 2012, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 23 2012, 05:12 PM)

Santon? I had completely forgotten he even existed I had no idea he was at Newcastle!
You're dead to me Pana.
drucurl
Jul 23 2012, 06:57 PM
Why do people automatically assume that because Kaka is not the Kaka of 2007 he's completely useless?
At his slowest Kaka has more pace than a lot of other players right now and he'll immediately have the best passing and technique in this team. With SES, Prince and Pato, we have enough pace in our team for a decent counter attack.
He has an immense shot and quite a lot of vision for a "runner type player". He's PRETTY DARN GOOD at splitting the defenses with his through passes and Pato knows how to make the runs to get there.
Sure he won't be able to run like a maniac all game long but this is now the job of the others.
d'Arc.LP
Jul 23 2012, 06:59 PM
kurtsimonw
Jul 23 2012, 07:30 PM
X-Offender
Jul 23 2012, 07:37 PM
Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino
Kaká
Pato - Cassano
Hm...
kurtsimonw
Jul 23 2012, 08:10 PM
On paper, not half bad at all.
Dracoris
Jul 23 2012, 09:52 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 23 2012, 02:37 PM)

Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino
Kaká
Pato - Cassano
Hm...
That or:
Montolivo - NEW CDM(Diarra?) - Nocerino
Boateng
Pato - Kaka
d'Arc.LP
Jul 23 2012, 10:17 PM
Milan's first offer for Yanga-Mbiwa is in the vicinity of €7m. The negotiations will begin when Montpellier return from USA. [Sky]
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 12:04 AM
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 23 2012, 09:29 PM)

I'm sorry but whichever way I look at it, Iniesta is the grander footballer.
d'Arc.LP
Jul 24 2012, 12:10 AM
A source in Milan says Kaka' will be moving back to the same apartment he was living before he left Milan.
@Zed.D , currently I agree that Iniesta had better season as Kaka didn't get enough play time to adapt in Madrid, but you can't even compare Iniesta to Kaka. Leite is one of the best midfielders of all times.
X-Offender
Jul 24 2012, 12:17 AM
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 24 2012, 01:10 AM)

A source in Milan says Kaka' will be moving back to the same apartment he was living before he left Milan.
@Zed.D , currently I agree that Iniesta had better season as Kaka didn't get enough play time to adapt in Madrid, but you can't even compare Iniesta to Kaka. Leite is one of the best midfielders of all times.
So is Iniesta. They're both two fantastic players, but overall I think Kaká is one step above.
Rossoneri7
Jul 24 2012, 12:42 AM
This would be a fantastic boost in morale both for the fans and most importantly the team.
I dont believe he has it in him to redo what he did, in that we would be back on the grid as one of the strongest, however it is better with him onboard nodoubt.
As for the Spaniard, I agree with what Zed said.
d'Arc.LP
Jul 24 2012, 01:52 AM
1) Milan is very close to sign Yanga-Mbiwa as Allegri is impressed by him, but he'd officially be a Milan player after July 28 'cos he'll have to play in French SuperCup.
2) Allegri also gave the green light for Matri and Milan will try to sign him, but with a reasonable sum.
3) Milan is keen to open the negitiations for Lassana Diarra.
If the latest reports are correct then we'll have a formation like this:
Abbiati
Abate, Mexes, Yanga-Mbiwa, Antonini
Montolivo, Diarra, Nocerino
Boateng
Pato, Cassano
Bench: Amelia, De Sciglio, Acerbi, Flamini, Emanuelson, Matri, Robinho, El Shaarawy.
Not bad in my opinion.
X-Offender
Jul 24 2012, 02:20 AM
^ You can only keep 7 players on the bench.
I really don't get it why we want Matri so badly. Not only would we be funding Juve's big name transfer, but the guy himself is pretty mediocre. I would have rather kept Maxi Lopez instead. And besides, is looks like only Galliani and Allegri fail to realize the urgent need we have for a quality LB.
d'Arc.LP
Jul 24 2012, 02:30 AM
Hahahaha damn. I didn't know which striker to leave out
dst
Jul 24 2012, 03:01 AM
other than helping Juve (and I doubt they actually need the money) I have no problem with Matri as a back up forward.
arivanjj
Jul 24 2012, 03:58 AM
Milan offer refund to season ticket holdersi hope there will be a large refund rate before the transfer window closes.
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 09:51 AM
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 24 2012, 02:40 AM)

A source in Milan says Kaka' will be moving back to the same apartment he was living before he left Milan.
@Zed.D , currently I agree that Iniesta had better season as Kaka didn't get enough play time to adapt in Madrid, but you can't even compare Iniesta to Kaka. Leite is one of the best midfielders of all times.
You really think so?
Scoring goals (*) is probably the only essential area where Iniesta falls behind Kaka mainly because Kaka has a better shot on him or at least tries his luck from distance more whereas Iniesta and the Spaniards in general like to play the ball as close to the goal as possible and then take their chances. I give Kaka that, but in almost any other area, Iniesta wins hands down. technique, ball control, team work (as in magical 1-2's) etc. not that Kaka isn't any good at those, but it's just like not being as fast as Kaka doesn't make Iniesta slow.
Not to mention Iniesta is one of the biggest reasons behind Spain's historic successes over the past 4 years. winning goal in world cup final, many important goals and countless influential assists/passes/moves that decided Spain's games over these years... you have to admit Kaka never had quite the same influence on Brazil as he did on Milan. he spent his best years in Dinho's shadow and his reign didn't last much long after Dinho. never won anything noteworthy with Brazil either (obviously I'm not gonna count the 2002 medal).
These are the reasons I think Iniesta is the "grander" footballer.
EDIT *: I just remembered something, Iniesta isn't Barca's penalty taker. taking our penalties certainly made Kaka's record look better...
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 24 2012, 04:12 AM)

As for the Spaniard, I agree with what Zed said.
Finally we agree on something after, like, two years!
dst
Jul 24 2012, 11:06 AM
Kaka at his best is in the top 10 of players I've seen. Iniesta I'd maybe say top 30. But Iniesta has maintained a high level for more years than Kaka.
KillerMax
Jul 24 2012, 11:43 AM
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 24 2012, 05:06 AM)

Kaka at his best is in the top 10 of players I've seen. Iniesta I'd maybe say top 30. But Iniesta has maintained a high level for more years than Kaka.
We have a winner. If you're opinion is different, you are wrong.
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 12:10 PM
I'm opinion is different and I'm right.
The thing is I can look at it as a neutral. you guys look at it as Milan fans. if Iniesta did those things on a weekly basis with Milan, you would have praised him to the moon.
Bottom line is there's nothing Kaka has done that Iniesta hasn't as good if not better, but the other way's not necessarily true.
You're entitled to your opinion.
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 12:12 PM
So... where's Blue?
han2503
Jul 24 2012, 12:19 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 24 2012, 11:10 AM)

I'm opinion is different and I'm right.
The thing is I can look at it as a neutral. you guys look at it as Milan fans. if Iniesta did those things on a weekly basis with Milan, you would have praised him to the moon.
Bottom line is there's nothing Kaka has done that Iniesta hasn't as good if not better, but the other way's not necessarily true.
You're entitled to your opinion.
I can't recall Iniesta ever grabbing a team in massive decline by their hair and dragging them to a CL win. Iniesta has always played in a Barca team filled with players who are on the same level as him or better. Kaka's best seasons at Milan came when the rest of the players started to decline and he literally dragged everyone kicking and screaming to that CL in 07.
Iniesta is better in terms of longevity imo, but when it comes to explosiveness he can't touch Kaka in his best years.
CrazyMilanFan
Jul 24 2012, 12:21 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 24 2012, 12:12 PM)

So... where's Blue?
exactly ..
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 12:52 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 24 2012, 02:49 PM)

I can't recall Iniesta ever grabbing a team in massive decline by their hair and dragging them to a CL win. Iniesta has always played in a Barca team filled with players who are on the same level as him or better. Kaka's best seasons at Milan came when the rest of the players started to decline and he literally dragged everyone kicking and screaming to that CL in 07.
Iniesta is better in terms of longevity imo, but when it comes to explosiveness he can't touch Kaka in his best years.
Kaka too has had the chance to shine even further in one of the greatest teams in the world with great players around him but he's always failed to make a big impact in Real, injuries or no injuries. and he's only recently turned 30.
Saying our team was in a "massive decline" in 2006-07 is a bit of exaggeration. I've always maintained that Kaka was the biggest reason we won the CL, but you can't ignore the importance of Gattuso, Seedorf, Maldini, Inzaghi, Nesta, etc. that year.
In the end Kaka is one of the best of his era so it's a pointless argument. to me personally Iniesta is the better footballer.
Jack Bauer
Jul 24 2012, 12:58 PM
I agree with dst, Kaka at his prime > Iniesta at his prime, no doubt for me. But the problem is that Kaka's prime was shorten by injuries while Iniesta probably still has about 4-6 good years left.
dst
Jul 24 2012, 01:16 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 24 2012, 02:10 PM)

Bottom line is there's nothing Kaka has done that Iniesta hasn't as good if not better, but the other way's not necessarily true.
I beg to differ, I have seen Kaka win us numerous games on his own, I have never seen Iniesta do the same for his teams. Note, I'm not talking about scoring the game winner, I'm talking about pushing your team and pulling off a win out of nothing when your team probably also did not deserve it. We've seen him do that and not just once or twice. Granted, Iniesta never had to actually do that but still... Kaka had to and delivered and I can judge only on what I've seen.
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 01:18 PM
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 24 2012, 03:28 PM)

I agree with dst, Kaka at his prime > Iniesta at his prime, no doubt for me. But the problem is that Kaka's prime was shorten by injuries while Iniesta probably still has about 4-6 good years left.
Not sure Iniesta will be able to maintain that level for another 4-6 years, he is a bit injury prone himself.
han2503
Jul 24 2012, 01:20 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 24 2012, 11:52 AM)

Kaka too has had the chance to shine even further in one of the greatest teams in the world with great players around him but he's always failed to make a big impact in Real, injuries or no injuries. and he's only recently turned 30.
Saying our team was in a "massive decline" in 2006-07 is a bit of exaggeration. I've always maintained that Kaka was the biggest reason we won the CL, but you can't ignore the importance of Gattuso, Seedorf, Maldini, Inzaghi, Nesta, etc. that year.
In the end Kaka is one of the best of his era so it's a pointless argument. to me personally Iniesta is the better footballer.
The injuries he had at Real pretty much took him out of the running once Ozil came into the picture.
As for 06/07, I think you're forgetting how terribly bad we were that season and even worse the one after it when we didn't even make the CL. We were fighting for 4th in the league that season we won the CL. We got slapped around by Inter in both derbies. Got humiliated by Roma. The team was just bad. Nesta was injured a lot that season as well. Pirlo was asleep for most of it and Seedorf only showed up for the CL games.
I think you're overlooking how bad we were in those seasons too much. Kaka literally won us a lot of the games we played in the CL.
Don't get me wrong, I think Iniesta is just out of this world. He's just an amazing all round footballer. But like I said, Kaka was such an explosive player in his prime, he was untouchable. Iniesta is a far more subtle operator.
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 01:26 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 24 2012, 03:46 PM)

I beg to differ, I have seen Kaka win us numerous games on his own, I have never seen Iniesta do the same for his teams. Note, I'm not talking about scoring the game winner, I'm talking about pushing your team and pulling off a win out of nothing when your team probably also did not deserve it. We've seen him do that and not just once or twice. Granted, Iniesta never had to actually do that but still... Kaka had to and delivered and I can judge only on what I've seen.
You answered it yourself.
Let me ask a question, if Iniesta was to become a Milan player right this season, would you doubt it that he'd drag this mediocre team and make them better? I think he would.
Kaka had to drag Milan mostly in his last two seasons with us and to an extent in 2006-07 CL. before that we had a pretty awesome team.
Jack Bauer
Jul 24 2012, 01:28 PM
Some news from twitter:
Corriere Reports that Mourinho told Kaka "You are a reserve Player. Look for a new team"
GdS: Signing a defender is the priority for Milan. There is a run off between Rolando & Yanga-Mbiwa.
Milan have no intention of signing Kaka back at the moment as he's considered too expensive (wages), Gazzetta reports.
YANGA-MBIWA: "I'm still here with Montpellier, but with a question mark, you never know. There are offers that you just can't reject"
Corriere reported that Milan would wrap up the deal for Yanga Mbiwa in the next 48
Milan wants to spend 5-7m on a defender, 7m on a midfielder and 7m on a striker. [GdS]
Ariedo Braida reveals Inzaghi's future: "Pippo will be a coach of the youth team. 100%"
Some reports say we tried to loan Alexis Sanchez but Barca rejected the idea.
Primavera defender, Rodrigo Ely, has joined Reggina on a 1-year loan deal.
L'Equipe is linking Milan with a move for Arjen Robben for 20 million.
SANTON: "I don't want to return to Inter. Wearing Milan's shirt would be awesome because it's the team that I've rooted for since kid"
"Milan will remain Competitive" - Berlusconi
dst
Jul 24 2012, 01:32 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 24 2012, 03:26 PM)

You answered it yourself.

He did not have to so I can't know if he could do it.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 24 2012, 03:26 PM)

Let me ask a question, if Iniesta was to become a Milan player right this season, would you doubt it that he'd drag this mediocre team and make them better? I think he would.
I think he would not. He'd surely make us better but he's not that kind of player. He's great in a different kind of way.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 24 2012, 03:26 PM)

Kaka had to drag Milan mostly in his last two seasons with us and to an extent in 2006-07 CL. before that we had a pretty awesome team.
Yeah I'm not saying he always had to do that just that this is something great he's done that Iniesta has not.
Zed.D
Jul 24 2012, 01:34 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 24 2012, 03:50 PM)

The injuries he had at Real pretty much took him out of the running once Ozil came into the picture.
As for 06/07, I think you're forgetting how terribly bad we were that season and even worse the one after it when we didn't even make the CL. We were fighting for 4th in the league that season we won the CL. We got slapped around by Inter in both derbies. Got humiliated by Roma. The team was just bad. Nesta was injured a lot that season as well. Pirlo was asleep for most of it and Seedorf only showed up for the CL games.
I think you're overlooking how bad we were in those seasons too much. Kaka literally won us a lot of the games we played in the CL.
Don't get me wrong, I think Iniesta is just out of this world. He's just an amazing all round footballer. But like I said, Kaka was such an explosive player in his prime, he was untouchable. Iniesta is a far more subtle operator.
You were talking about Kaka and CL not league and I have clear memories of that season's CL. as I said Kaka was the biggest reason we won it but who can forget Seedorf's performance in Munich, for example?... without Kaka we would've never won the big ear but he didn't do it all by himself.
I like how you put it in the last paragraph, can't argue with the explosiveness bit. but that's also why Iniesta has been playing at this level for several years and will likely continue to do so for another 3-4 years at least, while Kaka's prime ended at 28.
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