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han2503
QUOTE (drucurl @ May 8 2012, 09:21 PM) *
would really like some info on this Traore guy....atm he looks like more fodder

Probably another dud from the french league. Taiwo style signing
Jack Sparrow
Well I wish we were Newcastle..then I know this would come good. For me this means only one thing, Flamini is going...and this is the cheaper replacement.

Zed.D
Well given that Flamini is useless and overpaid, this can't be a bad move. we probably save 2-2.5m.
Jack Sparrow
Yeah Ditto. And cuts our wage bill. Don't forget that wage bill is 192...because it is calculating our pre tax bill.

So at 4.5 Million for Flamini, we're probably outputting something more like 8.5 million.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 9 2012, 12:52 PM) *
Yeah Ditto. And cuts our wage bill. Don't forget that wage bill is 192...because it is calculating our pre tax bill.

So at 4.5 Million for Flamini, we're probably outputting something more like 8.5 million.


Exactly
X-Offender
Yup. Like I said, sub material at best. We need to find a proper replacement for van Bommel.
Jack Sparrow
Or we are doing Genoa a favour? biggrin.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 9 2012, 04:24 PM) *
Or we are doing Genoa a favour? biggrin.gif


Usually, it's the opposite. tongue.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 9 2012, 03:24 PM) *
Or we are doing Genoa a favour? biggrin.gif

Yep, next we'll hear that we managed to buy Aqui through Genoa...
TheOgre
So he's fast, strong and has zero technique.... sounds like an Allegri starter to me

Ibra Cassano
Muntari
Traore Noce
VB
Anto Thiago Bonera Abate

is it sad that while typing this as a joke im realizing the actual possibility of Allegri doing this.... cry.gif cry.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (TheOgre @ May 9 2012, 07:32 PM) *
So he's fast, strong and has zero technique.... sounds like an Allegri starter to me

Ibra Cassano
Muntari
Traore Noce
VB
Anto Thiago Bonera Abate

is it sad that while typing this as a joke im realizing the actual possibility of Allegri doing this.... cry.gif cry.gif


You forgot van Bommel is not staying. Also, what about Mexes, Montolivo and Boateng? Since we're at it, my dream transfers this summer would be a reliable LB (Balzaretti, Armero or Cissokho) and a quality DM (possibly Strootman, or maybe Keita). I don't think we'll go after Eriksen or Ganso, even though I hope I'm proven wrong. And something in attack will happen. One between Pato and Robinho will be sold, and I still have hopes for Tevez.
TheOgre
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 9 2012, 11:41 AM) *
You forgot van Bommel is not staying. Also, what about Mexes, Montolivo and Boateng? Since we're at it, my dream transfers this summer would be a reliable LB (Balzaretti, Armero or Cissokho) and a quality DM (possibly Strootman, or maybe Keita). I don't think we'll go after Eriksen or Ganso, even though I hope I'm proven wrong. And something in attack will happen. One between Pato and Robinho will be sold, and I still have hopes for Tevez.




No no just a mere joke line up yo show allegris obsession with a muscle filled midfield
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 9 2012, 06:41 PM) *
You forgot van Bommel is not staying. Also, what about Mexes, Montolivo and Boateng? Since we're at it, my dream transfers this summer would be a reliable LB (Balzaretti, Armero or Cissokho) and a quality DM (possibly Strootman, or maybe Keita). I don't think we'll go after Eriksen or Ganso, even though I hope I'm proven wrong. And something in attack will happen. One between Pato and Robinho will be sold, and I still have hopes for Tevez.

Not sure on Cissokho, a lot of people I know said Tiawo was a 'reliable LB'. Balzaretti or Armero I'd be happy with though.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 9 2012, 09:39 PM) *
Not sure on Cissokho, a lot of people I know said Tiawo was a 'reliable LB'. Balzaretti or Armero I'd be happy with though.


Well, I think Balzaretti is great, but the guy is 30. We wanna sign someone long-term, not another Oddo or Zambrotta case.
Jack Bauer
We should go after Criscito. Won't be cheap but he's only 25 and would be a big improvement from what we currently have.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ May 9 2012, 10:18 PM) *
We should go after Criscito. Won't be cheap but he's only 25 and would be a big improvement from what we currently have.

Agreed
acid911
We should go after many a players, but not sure the management will splash it this year. sad.gif It'll be the usual stuff and fluff, followed by MAYBE one star signing in the summer if we can get our way in the market. Major focus will be on getting rid of the excess fat this year, hope for lesser amount of injuries, and dive into the new season.

Though I'd love to be proven wrong. But deep down inside, I am sensing a new coach and new players next year.
acid911
Oh, and the reason I said a new coach is because I get the feeling Allegri's lost control of the locker room. sleep.gif There is growing fiction within the team, and it trickles out the moment things go wrong. You can sense it from player interview (Pato, Taiwo, and more incoming I reckon). The needless benching of players as well.

They will try and see how this new season goes, if not well, then the management will most definitely shake hands with the coach, and bring in a new one, along with new players. Ibra too I feel will stay put for another year, and hope for CL glory, but if that's not coming (and neither are new players, a new direction, a statement of intent from the management) he'll jump ship to Madrid or City. mellow.gif The guy wants a CL, seeing it's awfully hard for him to win the World Cup or Euros with his NT.

All speculation I know, but there are little signs that pop up every now and then. Let's see if sanity prevails!
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (acid911 @ May 9 2012, 06:38 PM) *
We should go after many a players, but not sure the management will splash it this year. sad.gif It'll be the usual stuff and fluff, followed by MAYBE one star signing in the summer if we can get our way in the market. Major focus will be on getting rid of the excess fat this year, hope for lesser amount of injuries, and dive into the new season.

Though I'd love to be proven wrong.

Sad but true...
X-Offender
Van Bommel will sign for PSV on Monday.

Link

Today (10 May) Nesta will announce that he'll sign with New York Red Bulls for two years.

Link

About van Bommel it says that his will to return home was the decisive factor. As for Nesta, it says he asked for a two-year contract, but the club didn't accept.
William405
If we get toreplace Nesta by obganna then it's alright,it will be very sad though that the master of defence will leave...
I don't know who will we replace Van Bommel with,I wish these big changes will be for the good.Seddorf's leaving for sure as well.
Fillipo Simone
Great how this policy implementation functions. It's now 2 seasons in a row that we lose (for free) our best senator and keep the least helpful ones. Brilliant change of course, brilliant! I'm so proud of Milan I could jump!

Yeah Ogbonna is great. All we need is a Serie B defender to replace world class.
Jack Bauer
According to Corriere dello Sport, Rino will leave as well.
William405
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 10 2012, 10:30 AM) *
Great how this policy implementation functions. It's now 2 seasons in a row that we lose (for free) our best senator and keep the least helpful ones. Brilliant change of course, brilliant! I'm so proud of Milan I could jump!

Yeah Ogbonna is great. All we need is a Serie B defender to replace world class.



In truth,I don't think anyone can replace Nesta,but the ultimate truth is that his time has come to an end.You can say that Obganna is a serie B defender,but the fact that he has been called up for the senior team,and didn't he show flexiblity by being able to play as a fullback?The new policy seems harsh but I agree with it.No more then 1 seaaon contracta for above 30yr old players.Surely,some might accept,and some won't.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 10 2012, 01:33 AM) *
Van Bommel will sign for PSV on Monday.

Link

Today (10 May) Nesta will announce that he'll sign with New York Red Bulls for two years.

Link

About van Bommel it says that his will to return home was the decisive factor. As for Nesta, it says he asked for a two-year contract, but the club didn't accept.

why dont Milan sell ibra and get me as the stiker, because it seems that we are aiming towards building a crap team
han2503
QUOTE (William405 @ May 10 2012, 08:14 AM) *
In truth,I don't think anyone can replace Nesta,but the ultimate truth is that his time has come to an end.You can say that Obganna is a serie B defender,but the fact that he has been called up for the senior team,and didn't he show flexiblity by being able to play as a fullback?The new policy seems harsh but I agree with it.No more then 1 seaaon contracta for above 30yr old players.Surely,some might accept,and some won't.

Well I simply don't agree with it. It's simply stupid that these decisions are not made on a case by case basis. Pirlo and Nesta were players that still had a lot to offer to Milan, thus allowing some leeway shouldn't have been a problem while guys like Rino, Ambro, Seedorf, Pippo and Zambro should fall under such a policy.

It's just stupid. Now we have to replace Nesta, VB, get at least 1 more creative mid plus Monto, a new LB to replace Zambro, etc, etc.
Jack Sparrow
If I remember this stubborness is exactly what landed Arsenal in a soup.
acid911
I'll be damned if we can't offer Nesta a two year contract. sad.gif Other player's time is up, but Nesta is sort of a gem that is still very, very useful, even in the toughest of matches. Remember the Barcelona group-stage game in September (the one where Pato and Silva scored, 2-2), Nesta was immense there.
kurtsimonw
Are we going to have any players left?
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 10 2012, 11:23 AM) *
Are we going to have any players left?

Basically, no...

This failure to win this Scudetto could prove to be more costly than it really is if the management fail to replace all these players. Because I can't see us doing anything in the near future if players like Nesta, VB, Seedorf and Rino/Ambro are not replaced
kurtsimonw
From twitter..

QUOTE
Nesta: "In February I decided that it would be my last season for Milan. I told it to the board as well."

Nesta: "The board asked me to stay for one more year, but I had already made my decision."

Nesta: "I'm leaving because the level in the Serie A, CL and CI is too high for me now. I will go and play where the level is lower."

Nesta: "Who will be the future Nesta? He is already here. It's Thiago Silva."


It seems it was nothing at all to do with a contract, certainly judging by the 3rd point he made.
drucurl
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 10 2012, 05:17 AM) *
Well I simply don't agree with it. It's simply stupid that these decisions are not made on a case by case basis. Pirlo and Nesta were players that still had a lot to offer to Milan, thus allowing some leeway shouldn't have been a problem while guys like Rino, Ambro, Seedorf, Pippo and Zambro should fall under such a policy.

It's just stupid. Now we have to replace Nesta, VB, get at least 1 more creative mid plus Monto, a new LB to replace Zambro, etc, etc.

It's not just about ability it's about DESIRE as well. A 36 year old Nesta is ready to go while a 38 year old Inzaghi saw himself as still being vital to our team. Pirlo left us mentally since '08 while Seedorf soldiered on despite being older. Ambro only became a better cdm than Rino after the latter's physique drastically declined.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (drucurl @ May 10 2012, 03:29 PM) *
It's not just about ability it's about DESIRE as well. A 36 year old Nesta is ready to go while a 38 year old Inzaghi saw himself as still being vital to our team. Pirlo left us mentally since '08 while Seedorf soldiered on despite being older. Ambro only became a better cdm than Rino after the latter's physique drastically declined.

Ambrosini has always been a better cdm than Rino. Rino is better as a rcdm. Both have been undervalued the latest years in my opinion. Ambrosini actually has played good for us this season, not always, while he often gets tired.

Anywho, if Nesta feels like moving to USA is a good decision, I will support his decision. Thanks for everythin, Sandro.

Nesta: "Ancelotti was the most important coach in my career, not only because of what we won but also due to his personal characteristics."

Nice quote from Nesta towards Ancelotti. smile.gif
X-Offender
Gattuso might not re-sign for another year, if he doesn't feel at the center of the new project.

Link

rolleyes.gif
han2503
Nesta is being honest with everyone and most importantly with himself. His decision has to be admired, and although this leaves us at a terrible crossroads and with a huge responsability to replace him, this is the only time that we've lost one of our big players without any bitter or bad feelings
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 10 2012, 05:03 PM) *
Gattuso might not re-sign for another year, if he doesn't feel at the center of the new project.

Link

rolleyes.gif

Really?

Goodbye then...
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 10 2012, 03:03 PM) *
Gattuso might not re-sign for another year, if he doesn't feel at the center of the new project.

Link

rolleyes.gif

Come on Rino! At the center of the new project? He barely has the physical capabilities to sit on the center of the bench!

I think him, Zambro and Pippo should go for their own sakes and the sake of the club. The only 2 who should have stayed are certain to go, trying to keep the holes plugged by keeping Rino and the rest is just not the way to go.

At this point Ambro should be the only one to stay for another year, and mostly for the sake of some stability rather than his footballing capabilities. He seems like the only one who can contribute something to the team
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 10 2012, 05:15 PM) *
Come on Rino! At the center of the new project? He barely has the physical capabilities to sit on the center of the bench!

I think him, Zambro and Pippo should go for their own sakes and the sake of the club. The only 2 who should have stayed are certain to go, trying to keep the holes plugged by keeping Rino and the rest is just not the way to go.

At this point Ambro should be the only one to stay for another year, and mostly for the sake of some stability rather than his footballing capabilities. He seems like the only one who can contribute something to the team

huh.gif

Agreed. unsure.gif
X-Offender
Yeah, I agree. Ambro should be the only one to stay at this point. He'd still be a decent DM sub for whoever whill take van Bommel's place.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ May 10 2012, 03:18 PM) *
huh.gif

Agreed. unsure.gif

I guess you put the huh.gif and unsure.gif smilies because of the Ambro comment.

But at this point, lookng at things objectivey, Ambro is the only one left who's half-way decent and can still pull off a good one off performance here and there. anf for the sake of stability within the team, we cannot afford to lose everyone at once
Jack Sparrow
What bothers me is all our senators are just packing up and leaving. If a few would move to backroom staff, it might help with stability..but now we have no one...it's virtually a brand new team.

Does Ambro by himself command that much respect in the dressing room? Nope. Ambro and Rino together...maybe.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 10 2012, 05:42 PM) *
I guess you put the huh.gif and unsure.gif smilies because of the Ambro comment.

But at this point, lookng at things objectivey, Ambro is the only one left who's half-way decent and can still pull off a good one off performance here and there. anf for the sake of stability within the team, we cannot afford to lose everyone at once

Yah. biggrin.gif

I totally agree with every word. smile.gif
William405
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 10 2012, 06:45 PM) *
What bothers me is all our senators are just packing up and leaving. If a few would move to backroom staff, it might help with stability..but now we have no one...it's virtually a brand new team.

Does Ambro by himself command that much respect in the dressing room? Nope. Ambro and Rino together...maybe.


Look,it's their decision.We have a new policy for lowering wages,things aren't the same anymore where you get some big contract for 3 seasons etc...I like this policy,and I know some think we should go case by case.But,the only one I'd regret leaving is Nesta.But,it seems that he took the decision by himself,more than Milan deciding to push him out.They offered him a contract,and he didn't want it.Do you think a one year contract is why he didn't sign for us?He could have easily found another team next year.What is the problem?He took the decision by himself.

Jack Sparrow
I wasn't blaming them. Just wondering if we were at risk.

Till now we complained the senators were staying too long...now we're worried they're all leaving at once. biggrin.gif The irony!
William405
Yeah,lol.Well,most of us didn't expect everyone to leave at the same time.Honestly,this gives me some hope that we might invest in the summer.
acid911
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ May 10 2012, 08:49 PM) *
I totally agree with every word.

Even with words like lookng, objectivey, and anf. huh.gif tongue.gif
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (William405 @ May 10 2012, 09:28 PM) *
Yeah,lol.Well,most of us didn't expect everyone to leave at the same time.Honestly,this gives me some hope that we might invest in the summer.



Oh...you're new to AC Milan aren't you? smile.gif




tongue.gif
William405
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 10 2012, 07:02 PM) *
Oh...you're new to AC Milan aren't you? smile.gif




tongue.gif


laugh.gif I'am optimistic by nature tongue.gif.
han2503
QUOTE (William405 @ May 10 2012, 04:58 PM) *
Yeah,lol.Well,most of us didn't expect everyone to leave at the same time.Honestly,this gives me some hope that we might invest in the summer.

It mostly just scares the sh!t out of me because we're more likely to get a million freebies instead of investing properly. It's the usual thing we can expect from our management

We need, 1 top CB, a really good LB, A top DM, a good creative player and maybe another mid if Flamini leaves as well
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