il_diavolo_mtl
Jun 22 2012, 01:55 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 22 2012, 08:41 AM)

Flamini would be an ideal sub to Nocerino, now that Muntari's injured.
i thought traore would...
William405
Jun 22 2012, 02:18 PM
This year will be intersting for our strikers,we've had el sharaawy who had a good season showing true potential,but I wonder if he will step up.IMO he all the characterstics for a future Milan champion,it's not just the skills...zarate has that...but he has the righ mentality.If Pato stops being injured then that is always another plus,I hope we can develop a 4-3-3 system at least as a second plan.The thing is that Allegri states a lot is that he's afraid of losjng the midfield battle,he needs a certain balance.It's obvious that his views about that position is a player eith high workrate,decent passing skills etc..And in our set up where Nocerino is basically used as an attacking threat,Seedorf was used as a playmaker,and Van Bommel as the mastermind.He had his bad choice,i'm not saying otherwise but he's had his hands tied down...My thoughts about the midfield are clear,Montolivo with aquilani as a backup,Nocerino with Flamini as a backup,new DM with Ambro,strasser as backup.Boateng in the attack midfield position is the best solution,not only since we can't afford a true trequatristra..Allegri can play Cassano,Robhino,el sharaawy there if he wants vision,passing,touch.But,if only Allegri is convinved that he can find the right defensive balance,it needs a reconfiguration,no longer can Nocerino attack this frequently etc...Our CBs are okay,I'd be more happy if we signed a young startlet like Obganna though.In the fullback position,it seems like we quantity,but not much quality,there is potential though.Vila had a good season as some are saying,emmanuelson would be a great attacking threat on the wing,but his defense is doubtful.Abate is our usual,he'll stay there even if his attacking game is almost zero.Honestly,In a 4-3-3 system,I'd much rather have a stable backline,and let that trio do the magic
X-Offender
Jun 22 2012, 03:02 PM
^ Constant is a natural trequartista, so we can consider him as Boateng's sub.
X-Offender
Jun 22 2012, 03:05 PM
Mediaset claims we're after Sahin to replace van Bommel. Alternatives include Lass, Gago, Cigarini, De Jong and Strootman.
LinkSahin in front of the defense? It wouldn't work, not in Allegri's system.
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Taiwo will be loaned to Benfica.
LinkWhy do we keep loaning him? Just sell the guy! Any club would sign him for €5 million.
drucurl
Jun 22 2012, 07:37 PM
If Flamoney can either play left-back or get left back
That way he shows his alleged commitment to our team, gets to remain in a big team and fills a massive hole that has been widening for years (no homo)
In other news Sahin is just what the doctor ordered for our midfield...which probably means that he's the last thing we'll get. I got too excited about Fab last year. I'll keep my hopes very much in check this time around
Fillipo Simone
Jun 22 2012, 11:40 PM
One quick question: on what basis do people here get excited about Şahin?
William405
Jun 22 2012, 11:45 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2012, 01:40 AM)

One quick question: on what basis do people here get excited about Şahin?
On the basis that we have freaking Montolivo as our play-maker for next year.I'm always optimistic,but wasn't he average most of his career?
drucurl
Jun 22 2012, 11:58 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 22 2012, 06:40 PM)

One quick question: on what basis do people here get excited about Şahin?
- Good passer (will instantly become the best passer on our team)
- Good shooter (instantly better than everyone in midfield other than perhaps KPB)
- Decent in defense
- good vision
- good attacker and off the ball mover
- overall good distributor
- mobile
- youthful with a high ceiling for improvement
Bluesummers
Jun 23 2012, 03:19 AM
yeah sahin is quality but i doubt mou will just let him go that easily.
Dracoris
Jun 23 2012, 05:58 AM
Sahin definitely has the skill set to succeed at Milan. If we bought him we'd still need a DM though. Sahin, DM, KPB (CAM), and Montolivo would be a very good starting midfield comparative to what we've had in the past.
William405
Jun 23 2012, 07:15 AM
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jun 23 2012, 07:58 AM)

Sahin definitely has the skill set to succeed at Milan. If we bought him we'd still need a DM though. Sahin, DM, KPB (CAM), and Montolivo would be a very good starting midfield comparative to what we've had in the past.
Droping our best player last season for Montolivo isn't such a good idea.I would say just make Montolivo,Sahin's backup.But,I'm satisfied with a good DM at the moment,and signing back Aquaman.
CHU-LIP
Jun 23 2012, 01:16 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jun 23 2012, 08:15 AM)

Droping our best player last season for Montolivo isn't such a good idea.I would say just make Montolivo,Sahin's backup.But,I'm satisfied with a good DM at the moment,and signing back Aquaman.
Dropping our best player last season for Montolivo? Who, what?
William405
Jun 23 2012, 01:49 PM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jun 23 2012, 03:16 PM)

Dropping our best player last season for Montolivo? Who, what?
Nocerino
CHU-LIP
Jun 23 2012, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jun 23 2012, 02:49 PM)

Nocerino

*eyes are dropping out*
eh... didn't expect this
X-Offender
Jun 23 2012, 01:56 PM
I honestly can't see Şahin as a MvB replacement. He's a more of a CM in my eyes. I'd rather get a natural DM, like Strootman.
Montolivo - Strootman - Nocerino
Boateng
William405
Jun 23 2012, 02:36 PM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jun 23 2012, 03:52 PM)

*eyes are dropping out*
eh... didn't expect this
hehe,well best midfielder
han2503
Jun 23 2012, 04:58 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 23 2012, 01:56 PM)

I honestly can't see Şahin as a MvB replacement. He's a more of a CM in my eyes. I'd rather get a natural DM, like Strootman.
Montolivo - Strootman - Nocerino
Boateng
Yep, I'd want Sahin if Flamini were to not resign and Aqui was not a possibility, but atm, a VB replacement is imperative, and sadly, no matter how great a player he is, Sahin does not fit that bill
William405
Jun 23 2012, 05:37 PM
QUOTE
Milan are set to introduce a new code of ethics with fines for taking off shirts to celebrate goals and late nights.
According to the newspapers, the Rossoneri are planning to impose strict rules on the locker room to minimise bad behaviour.
Heavy fines will be introduced for any player who takes off their jersey to celebrate a goal, especially as this leads to an automatic yellow card on the pitch.
This has caused problems in the past, as Antonio Cassano was famously sent off in the derby with Inter two years ago after he was booked for whipping off his shirt.
There will also be a fine for any player breaking curfew, as late nights out will be barred ahead of game
Didn't know where to put it,sorry.
dst
Jun 23 2012, 05:40 PM
are journalists that bored?
KillerMax
Jun 23 2012, 07:12 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jun 23 2012, 10:37 AM)

Didn't know where to put it,sorry.
That seems to be missing the most important part of the article:
QUOTE
Additionally, Il Diavolo board of directors have come up with heavy fines for silent but deadly farts in the dressing room. Of course that arises the question of correctly singling out the guilty party. The governing body of AC Milan have therefor unanimously decided to implement the tried and tested: "He who smelt it, dealt it" ruling regarding this issue.
William405
Jun 23 2012, 07:18 PM
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jun 23 2012, 09:12 PM)

That seems to be missing the most important part of the article:
Haha...dammit football-italia.net embarrassing me like that..
TheOgre
Jun 25 2012, 07:10 AM
Im excited for constant, last season wasnt his best but before that he was an up and coming name. loads of potential, can play almost anywhere in the midfield, good pick up.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jun 25 2012, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (TheOgre @ Jun 25 2012, 02:10 AM)

Im excited for constant, last season wasnt his best but before that he was an up and coming name. loads of potential, can play almost anywhere in the midfield, good pick up.
i'm skeptic about constant. To be honest i think, if used correctly, Montolivo will be our best acquisition...
X-Offender
Jun 25 2012, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 25 2012, 05:46 PM)

i'm skeptic about constant. To be honest i think, if used correctly, Montolivo will be our best acquisition...
After his performance with the azzurri last night, I think so too.
Fillipo Simone
Jun 26 2012, 12:47 AM
So we make a judgment based on one performance?
X-Offender
Jun 26 2012, 01:55 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 26 2012, 01:47 AM)

So we make a judgment based on one performance?
No judgement, just being optimistic.
William405
Jun 26 2012, 02:34 AM
So,reports are claiming that we renewed with flamini for 1more year for 1.6m/yr wage.We still need an anchorman,get nesta back and our work here is done...and i'd take aquaman back for free :S
Jack Sparrow
Jun 26 2012, 08:34 AM
I think it's official. Laura Esposto told me so. But how Mattie earns 1.6 while Muntari earns 3 m a year is beyond me!
han2503
Jun 26 2012, 09:23 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 26 2012, 08:34 AM)

I think it's official. Laura Esposto told me so. But how Mattie earns 1.6 while Muntari earns 3 m a year is beyond me!
Lol, Muntari was given 3m per year!!!??
What a joke Galliani and Co have become. And to top it all off he got injured on his free time. What a load of BS. I would terminate his contract ASAP
Zed.D
Jun 26 2012, 09:24 AM
Mattie has been piling up money unjustly for some years, it's time for payback.
han2503
Jun 26 2012, 09:27 AM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 26 2012, 09:24 AM)

Mattie has been piling up money unjustly for some years, it's time for payback.
Agreed, 1.6m is a good deal for him and for us imo.
Still can't believe Muntari was given such a sum though
Fillipo Simone
Jun 26 2012, 09:29 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 26 2012, 02:55 AM)

No judgement, just being optimistic.

Indeed, that's a good approach.
Jack Sparrow
Jun 26 2012, 09:38 AM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 26 2012, 02:53 PM)

Lol, Muntari was given 3m per year!!!??
What a joke Galliani and Co have become. And to top it all off he got injured on his free time. What a load of BS. I would terminate his contract ASAP
Well I don't know. Because the thing is some reports calculate your wage post tax, and some of it pre tax. So it's conceivable, that both of them are earning the same amount.
Besides with that injury, we also read Galliani is pissed and as part of the contract terms which he violated he will be on lower wages when out. Around 1.5 million.
William405
Jun 26 2012, 09:40 AM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 26 2012, 11:27 AM)

Agreed, 1.6m is a good deal for him and for us imo.
Still can't believe Muntari was given such a sum though
I read that Muntari's wages might be halved...Galliani is furious about it etc...
Jack Sparrow
Jun 26 2012, 09:49 AM
^^Yes...but only during the injury period right?
Zed.D
Jun 26 2012, 10:14 AM
QUOTE
Milan: El Shaarawy stays, but…
By Football Italia staff
Stephan El Shaarawy is a Milan player for the foreseeable future, reassures Milan director Ariedo Braida, but he admits that could change.
The 19-year-old was brought in from Genoa on co-ownership last summer and impressed in his first season with the Rossoneri, managing 28 appearances in all competitions and four goals scored.
However, despite only taking full ownership of the player last week, Milan have admitted through sporting director Braida that where they currently intend to keep him at the club, they may change their mind and loan him out, with Torino named as an interested party.
“At this time, El Shaarawy is not moving from Milan. Again, to avoid any misunderstandings - for the moment the situation is like this,” Braida first told itasportpress.it on Monday.
“However, anything is possible in football, more so considering the fact that the transfer market has yet to officially open and will also be particularly long.
“Would we send El Shaarawy to Torino? If at the end of market we decide to move the boy out, who no doubt has talent, there would be no problem in sending him out to Torino.
“[President Urbano] Cairo is also a friend, so there would be no problem at all.
“Today, El Shaarawy plays for Milan, but tomorrow the situation could change.”
Great.

Can we please just for once not pull this **** and let one of our youngsters stay here and grow around and learn from our champions?
William405
Jun 26 2012, 10:34 AM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 26 2012, 12:14 PM)

Great.

Can we please just for once not pull this **** and let one of our youngsters stay here and grow around and learn from our champions?
Yes,I mean how reassuring is this guy...
CHU-LIP
Jun 26 2012, 10:36 AM
What hurts even more than seeing El Shaarawy loaned out, is not having only Cassano but also Robinho being reasons to see him barely play. Can't we just think like: okay, Robinho somewhat disappoints, and we have this great talent in El Shaarawy, already played several very good games for us; let's go with him, and get rid of Robinho.
Not saying El Shaarawy is better than Robinho, that's not the point, so I won't even say who is in my opinion. More importantly is that Cassano benched Robinho (who earns like a starter, and is nor one for the future, so sell him and go with your great young El Shaarawy?)
William405
Jun 26 2012, 10:53 AM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jun 26 2012, 12:36 PM)

What hurts even more than seeing El Shaarawy loaned out, is not having only Cassano but also Robinho being reasons to see him barely play. Can't we just think like: okay, Robinho somewhat disappoints, and we have this great talent in El Shaarawy, already played several very good games for us; let's go with him, and get rid of Robinho.
Not saying El Shaarawy is better than Robinho, that's not the point, so I won't even say who is in my opinion. More importantly is that Cassano benched Robinho (who earns like a starter, and is nor one for the future, so sell him and go with your great young El Shaarawy?)
Well,we used him a lot last year.He's always a starter at the Coppa Italia,and played his share of serie A games.We can't get rid of robinho cause Pato might have another injury plagued season...and then we're thinned down to 3 strikers..
CHU-LIP
Jun 26 2012, 11:18 AM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jun 26 2012, 11:53 AM)

Well,we used him a lot last year.He's always a starter at the Coppa Italia,and played his share of serie A games.We can't get rid of robinho cause Pato might have another injury plagued season...and then we're thinned down to 3 strikers..
Many forwards have been out often/long time. So no garantuee he will also next season. You can bet your house on it all of Ibrahimovic, Cassano, Pato and Robinho will play ahead of El Shaarawy. And if anything it's too much supporting strikers, too few (goalscoring) strikers. Ibrahimovic and Pato, but Pato often out. We want more SS+SS?
Ibrahimovic, Cassano and Pato as our our main forwards, three good earners is enough, not Robinho too, especially with El Shaarawy being excellent fourth forward. Then add someone like Maxi López (a third striker (excluding supporting strikers like Cassano(, Robinho) and El Shaarawy), good because Pato is injury prone).
Jack Sparrow
Jun 26 2012, 11:39 AM
We are playing a 4-3-3 or a 4-3-1-2. So we have 5 forwards for 3 positions. I think it is fine. We have 3 competitions to play in, and I don't think we have a serious luxury in that position.
X-Offender
Jun 26 2012, 11:43 AM
QUOTE
Thiago Silva to PSG back on?The Gazzetta dello Sport is suggesting that Paris Saint-Germain’s move for Thiago Silva of Milan is still possible.
The two clubs held talks earlier this month about the stopper, with the French club apparently willing to offer almost €50m for the player.
Milan considered his sale, but President Silvio Berlusconi then opted against sacrificing the Brazilian international.
However, the player is now keen to be handed a new contract at San Siro which would see him earn as much as what Paris SG were offering him.
PSG are understood to have tempted him with a switch to Ligue 1 with a five-year deal worth €7.5m a campaign.
If Milan fail to meet his demands, there is a possibility that Thiago Silva could request a transfer and end up in France before the transfer window closes.
Link Great.
CHU-LIP
Jun 26 2012, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 26 2012, 12:39 PM)

We are playing a 4-3-3 or a 4-3-1-2. So we have 5 forwards for 3 positions. I think it is fine. We have 3 competitions to play in, and I don't think we have a serious luxury in that position.
We are not playing a 4-3-3. 4-3-1-2, woth Boateng as our AM, and it says enough Seedorf and Emanuelson has been backups.
5 forwards for 3 positions? You wish...
Jack Sparrow
Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM
Not really...Robinho also doubles as AM at times, because he has the workrate. When Seedorf and Emanuelson were used, it was when we had Robinho, KPB, Cassano and Pato were out. Or Robinho would be playing as the second forward, with KPB, Cassano and Pato out on injury. Leaving just Seedorf and Emanuelson to play that role.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 26 2012, 04:13 PM)

Great.

Well...I don't think this is completely true. This is an assumption as stated in the article. His asking for a payhike is fine, but all the way to 7.5 million a season post-taxes?? We're talking a 15 million salary for him.
han2503
Jun 26 2012, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 26 2012, 08:38 AM)

Well I don't know. Because the thing is some reports calculate your wage post tax, and some of it pre tax. So it's conceivable, that both of them are earning the same amount.
Besides with that injury, we also read Galliani is pissed and as part of the contract terms which he violated he will be on lower wages when out. Around 1.5 million.
QUOTE (William405 @ Jun 26 2012, 08:40 AM)

I read that Muntari's wages might be halved...Galliani is furious about it etc...
Well at least Galliani is showing some sense
Jack Sparrow
Jun 26 2012, 01:43 PM
Did some reading. Thiago Silva is on 4 million a season. I'm really not sure at the moment, if his demands for 7.5 million are worth it/sustainable.
I guess we could hike it by another 1 or 1.5 million, but that automatically means mercato is closed. Especially with Mattie having signed his extension.
If I had to keep him, I'd offer something like 5 million and taking it to 6 mill with bonuses. Considering it is a long term contract that takes him till 2016, unlike Zlatan whose contract ends in 2 years, I think it's fair.
han2503
Jun 26 2012, 02:18 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 26 2012, 12:43 PM)

Did some reading. Thiago Silva is on 4 million a season. I'm really not sure at the moment, if his demands for 7.5 million are worth it/sustainable.
I guess we could hike it by another 1 or 1.5 million, but that automatically means mercato is closed. Especially with Mattie having signed his extension.
If I had to keep him, I'd offer something like 5 million and taking it to 6 mill with bonuses. Considering it is a long term contract that takes him till 2016, unlike Zlatan whose contract ends in 2 years, I think it's fair.
I don't think Gazzatta's theories are founded, news is slow, so they want to stir up sh!t with a tried and tested story.
I really don't think Thiago is asking for more atm. Even so, the club should still lok into tieing him down to a long term contract next season and maybe for something around 5 to 6m would be enough. He's the best CB around right now. It would be deserved imo
Jack Sparrow
Jun 26 2012, 02:25 PM
Yes..but he is on the longest contract that is legal at the moment. 4 years.
X-Offender
Jun 26 2012, 03:28 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 26 2012, 03:25 PM)

Yes..but he is on the longest contract that is legal at the moment. 4 years.
Yes, but he is Thiago Silva. It would only be natural raising his earnings from 4 million to 5/6 million. However, 7.5 is too much. He and his agent know of our difficult financial situation, and asking for such a huge raise would be illogical.
CrazyMilanFan
Jun 26 2012, 04:06 PM
so flamini has extended for another year.. dont know if that cnges what gallaini was looking to odo this summer.
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