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We want to bring Guardiola and Ramos in for next season.

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han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 21 2012, 09:03 PM) *
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He's still a player, why would he accept this offer and join the mess? And really, I don't see coach material in Rino. Maybe I'm wrong though.

I think he'd be a great personality in the dressing rooms. He has a strong character and would be a great leader imo. I think a really good tactictian and Rino teaming up would be a great coaching team. If Tasso were ever to leave I think Rino would be a perfect assistant coach
Bluesummers
I want someone proven. Guardiola isn't proven in my books. When you have Messi, you don't have to be good.
kurtsimonw
Yeah, I think that could work.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 22 2012, 02:10 AM) *
When you have Messi, you don't have to be good.

Wow.... this statement is wrong on so many levels. shame it had to be you who said it.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Sep 22 2012, 12:19 AM) *
Wow.... this statement is wrong on so many levels. shame it had to be you who said it.


+1
Bluesummers
Honestly though, how many games does barcelona play like absoloute sh*t and don't deserve to win, then messi comes up with something out of his @ss and they win the game.

Its like Ibra with us, you can see allegri's quality now that ibra isn't there.
kurtsimonw
I saw Zeddies reply and was going to say the exact same thing, Blue. It's not okay to say Pep needs Messi, but is that Allegri needs Ibra?
Bluesummers
When you have a team with the greatest players in the world, its very difficult not to prove results. I'll rate him after he takes over another club that isn't so stacked. For me right now, mourinho remains number 1.


News:

Guardiola: "Take over as head coach of Milan? In football anything is possible"



Inzaghi vs Allegri:

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Galli has informed Inzaghi that Allegri will arrive at the training ground

Inzaghi:""We're working, Allegri shouldn't disturb us."Tell him not to cross the pitch,the boys are training, he must use the sideline"

Allegri:' "You want to take my place?'
Inzaghi:"Sure, I will take your place and do even better"
Galli was embarrassed and wanted to calm the situation down
Inzaghi:""We're training here,try to be a serious coach not an amateur"
Allegri:"Don't try to bullshit me!"
Inzaghi:""You,don't try to bullshit me. I told you we're training here. Go away"


Thats bad, If that happened to me as the head coach, I would have fired inzaghi in a heart beat. Shame in Italy coaches have no real power, in england this would never fly. Allegri's also at fault here, you never ever argue in front of players, staff or parents. You do it privately.
kurtsimonw
Yeah that's pretty disrespectful of Inzaghi to basically tell him to stay away.

Though Allegri's "You want to take my place" comment seems very random and out of the blue.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 22 2012, 05:26 AM) *
Yeah that's pretty disrespectful of Inzaghi to basically tell him to stay away.

Though Allegri's "You want to take my place" comment seems very random and out of the blue.

Imagine one of Man united's youth coaches telling fergie to f*ck off lol laugh.gif



Would never happen, not in a million years.
William405
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 22 2012, 02:27 PM) *
Imagine one of Man united's youth coaches telling fergie to f*ck off lol laugh.gif



Would never happen, not in a million years.


Well this is Inzaghi, not a random youth coach.
X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 22 2012, 01:52 PM) *
Well this is Inzaghi, not a random youth coach.


And that is Allegri, not Ferguson.
William405
Yes.
han2503
Let's face it.

Who is the guy at the center of all these disputes? Allegri!

He's the common factor here. He's had trouble with every senior player on this team, ousted every half decent creative player we've had and is now moving on to the youth sector.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2012, 05:53 PM) *
Let's face it.

Who is the guy at the center of all these disputes? Allegri!

He's the common factor here. He's had trouble with every senior player on this team, ousted every half decent creative player we've had and is now moving on to the youth sector.

Agreed.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2012, 04:53 PM) *
busted every half decent creative player we've had

Would be wonderful if people realised Allegri doesn't do the transfers. But why let the truth get in the way of ridiculous criticism?
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 22 2012, 06:49 PM) *
Would be wonderful if people realised Allegri doesn't do the transfers. But why let the truth get in the way of ridiculous criticism?

Many players have left Milan because of Allegri, and Allegri does have been someone who asked for runners rather than creative midfielders, and what have we been signing lately?
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 22 2012, 06:49 PM) *
Would be wonderful if people realised Allegri doesn't do the transfers. But why let the truth get in the way of ridiculous criticism?


Dude, if Allegri strongly wanted Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Aquilani etc. to remain, we wouldn't have let them go. Even the walls know that.
kurtsimonw
Ibra, Robinho, Cassano, Montolivo, Aquilani and Cassano were all "Allegri signings". Though I suppose he only takes 'credit' for the **** ones.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 22 2012, 06:58 PM) *
Ibra, Robinho, Cassano, Montolivo, Aquilani and Cassano were all "Allegri signings". Though I suppose he only takes 'credit' for the **** ones.


Were they signed during Allegri's spell? Yes. Were they chosen by Allegri? Nope. Ibra and Robinho were Berlusconi signings. Montolivo was a free agent, which Galliani craves for. Aquilani, as I said before, was frozen out be Allegri. Also, you've mentioned Cassano twice.
CHU-LIP
Talking to the reporters the source said, "Regarding Milan's interest in Aquilani, there was a phone call between Adriano Galliani and the player's agent Franco Zavaglia. Galliani told the agent Milan like Aquilani and feel he is a good player, but said he doesn't fit in with Massimiliano Allegri's technical project for the squad for next season.”

"Thus Aquilani is not seen as being a player who would suit the plans, more likely as an alternative [to Montolivo]."


source: http://blogs.bettor.com/Massimiliano-Alleg...e-A-news-a87978

Allegri played his part when it comes to our lack of creative midfielders in our squad. Galliani is to blame for a lot, but it's not just him.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2012, 06:25 PM) *
Were they signed during Allegri's spell? Yes. Were they chosen by Allegri? Nope. Ibra and Robinho were Berlusconi signings. Montolivo was a free agent, which Galliani craves for. Aquilani, as I said before, was frozen out be Allegri. Also, you've mentioned Cassano twice.

So basically what I said then, he gets credit for the bad signings. People will make up what they want.

I think if anything it shows the Italian model doesn't work.
*Coaches don't get to sign who they want.
*Owners/Directors signing players that the coaches don't want.
*Coaches signing players that the owner/directors don't want (yet they still go ahead with signing them, oddly)

How about the coach signs the players he wants, then he lives and dies by it. Simple.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 22 2012, 07:49 PM) *
So basically what I said then, he gets credit for the bad signings. People will make up what they want.

I think if anything it shows the Italian model doesn't work.
*Coaches don't get to sign who they want.
*Owners/Directors signing players that the coaches don't want.
*Coaches signing players that the owner/directors don't want (yet they still go ahead with signing them, oddly)

How about the coach signs the players he wants, then he lives and dies by it. Simple.


He does get credit for the bad signings, because even if it's true that the management (in this case, Berlusconi, Galliani and Braida) is mainly responsible for the team's signings, the coach heavily influences such decisions. Allegri could have easily placed his veto over the signings of Muntari, Traoré, Mesbah, Acerbi and other crappy players we've had to endure over these past couple of years, just like he did for Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Sokratis, Taiwo, Aquilani, Inzaghi, and to an extent, Pato; players he didn't want and thus got rid of.
CHU-LIP
I often have read Allegri and Galliani likes this player and then they get to sign him. Galliani often comes with a player and then asks Allegri if he likes him to be added. And if Allegri then says something like yeah I like to see Traoré added (because of his obsession for talentless runners) Galliani will sign that player. Or you think Galliani actually would have signed a player like Traoré if Allegri said something like hell no I can't do anything with him?

Sure, one can say as if Galliani would sign a quality player even if Allegri asks for it. Obviously that is a thought easy to follow, but at least Allegri could have been demanding less runners and more creative players, even if that creative player is no world beater, at least we'd have a more balanced squad. An average team looks better when it's balanced than when it's not balanced. And we most certainly lack some kind of players at the moment.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 22 2012, 01:18 PM) *
I saw Zeddies reply and was going to say the exact same thing, Blue. It's not okay to say Pep needs Messi, but is that Allegri needs Ibra?

Comparing Guardiola and Allegri is really unnecessary.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 22 2012, 01:26 PM) *
Yeah that's pretty disrespectful of Inzaghi to basically tell him to stay away.

Though Allegri's "You want to take my place" comment seems very random and out of the blue.

Disrespectful? I think Allegri's treatment of Pippo was disrespectful for 2 years, so I won't blame Inzaghi, surely.


QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2012, 05:53 PM) *
Let's face it.

Who is the guy at the center of all these disputes? Allegri!

He's the common factor here. He's had trouble with every senior player on this team, ousted every half decent creative player we've had and is now moving on to the youth sector.

Right.
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It's pretty much obvious what kind of players the coach wants and does not want. For Christ sake, he's playing a winger/fullback all over the midfield and attack game after game, that should be enough.
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 22 2012, 08:46 PM) *
I often have read Allegri and Galliani likes this player and then they get to sign him. Galliani often comes with a player and then asks Allegri if he likes him to be added. And if Allegri then says something like yeah I like to see Traoré added (because of his obsession for talentless runners) Galliani will sign that player. Or you think Galliani actually would have signed a player like Traoré if Allegri said something like hell no I can't do anything with him?

Sure, one can say as if Galliani would sign a quality player even if Allegri asks for it. Obviously that is a thought easy to follow, but at least Allegri could have been demanding less runners and more creative players, even if that creative player is no world beater, at least we'd have a more balanced squad. An average team looks better when it's balanced than when it's not balanced. And we most certainly lack some kind of players at the moment.


Well said.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 22 2012, 05:59 AM) *
Honestly though, how many games does barcelona play like absoloute sh*t and don't deserve to win, then messi comes up with something out of his @ss and they win the game.

Its like Ibra with us, you can see allegri's quality now that ibra isn't there.

Described sh*t.

Pep's Barca even in their worst games (which were few and far between because they played great football most of the time) never ever looked as undisciplined and messy as us in our bad games. to say Messi made Pep look good just like Ibra made Allegri look good is plain wrong. I suggest you watch a few Barca games this term and see the difference between Pep's Barca and Vilanova's Barca. Messi is still there but he's never going to make a whole team look good all by himself. Barca so far have looked nothing like that "dream team" of two seasons ago.
Bluesummers
Ok well I haven't watched barca at all this season yet, so i'll take back what I said. But I still see mourinho as number 1, Pep needs to prove himself at another team first before i throw him in the assessment.
Zed.D
Well this wasn't Pep vs Mourinho at all. of course Mourinho is better.
Fillipo Simone
Let's move back to transfer talk.
Jack Bauer
Let's move to Winter trasfers thread. This one is history (and depressing).
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