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there is an article on milannews which claims that real want 20m for kaka... done see that happening even if it costs 10m
I'd sell Abate but I wouldn't like De Sciglio to be a starter then. Yes he has potential and everything but for the next one or two years I don't see him becoming anything more than a backup.
So if we manage to sell Abate for 15, I'd seriously got for Liverpools Jonhnson or Ivanovic.
So if we manage to sell Abate for 15, I'd seriously got for Liverpools Jonhnson or Ivanovic.
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 25 2012, 08:26 PM) 
there is an article on milannews which claims that real want 20m for kaka... done see that happening even if it costs 10m
that's a shame,
now let this not stop us trying to get a creative AM, and get Afellay or Maher, both will be cheap...
KAKA'S AGENT: "If we talked about my client at Via Turati? Yes, but don't cant say anymore"
Sky reports that the negotiations for KAKA have begun. Milan want to sign him on a free 1-year loan deal with a buy-out clause.
Sky reports that the negotiations for KAKA have begun. Milan want to sign him on a free 1-year loan deal with a buy-out clause.
Come back home Ricky! 
Yes, please do. 
I read somewhere signing Kaka would cost 20m. if that's true and the management want to do it then they can go **** themselves.
I doubt our management will want to sign him in any other way than a free loan.
If we get him on loan with option to buy, I can easily see B&G getting sentimental and signing him permanently. especially if he does well.
But I doubt we'll get him on loan with an option to buy in the first place. 
Madrid can offload him anywhere.
Madrid can offload him anywhere.
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jul 25 2012, 10:50 PM)
But I doubt we'll get him on loan with an option to buy in the first place. Madrid can offload him anywhere.
Madrid can offload him anywhere.Anywhere? Right now the only offers have arrived from China and the US. No-one wants to burden themselves with Kaka's massive wage, and I bet he's only willing to reduce it only if he comes to Milan.
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jul 25 2012, 11:50 PM)
But I doubt we'll get him on loan with an option to buy in the first place. Madrid can offload him anywhere.
Madrid can offload him anywhere.No!He only wants us!
I was thinking more along the lines of PSG, rich Turkish or Russian clubs. 
Sure, he only wants us, and we only want him for peanuts. Maybe a deal can be reached if we say goodbye to any installment we are yet to receive from Madrid for his sale - they usually are three of four year deals. Who knows?!
With Ibra gone, I wouldn't mind him here at all. It's just whether the deal will materialize or not, that's the question.
Sure, he only wants us, and we only want him for peanuts. Maybe a deal can be reached if we say goodbye to any installment we are yet to receive from Madrid for his sale - they usually are three of four year deals. Who knows?!With Ibra gone, I wouldn't mind him here at all. It's just whether the deal will materialize or not, that's the question.
He can't be counted on to stay healthy!!! i've had enough with expensive purchases spending their careers on the table. If we are going to blab on about austerity, then, by all means, let's call this what this is, bullshit and use the publicity to get some actually playable alternatives while benefiting from the smokescreen...
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 26 2012, 02:03 AM)
He can't be counted on to stay healthy!!! i've had enough with expensive purchases spending their careers on the table. If we are going to blab on about austerity, then, by all means, let's call this what this is, bullshit and use the publicity to get some actually playable alternatives while benefiting from the smokescreen...
+1
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 25 2012, 11:40 PM)
If we get him on loan with option to buy, I can easily see B&G getting sentimental and signing him permanently. especially if he does well.
I believe loan this summer with an option to buy. Salary would be in the 4-6MM bracket and on a one year contract renewable annually.
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 26 2012, 02:16 AM)
I believe loan this summer with an option to buy. Salary would be in the 4-6MM bracket and on a one year contract renewable annually.
The maximum wage I'd give him is €5 million.
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 26 2012, 03:46 AM)
I believe loan this summer with an option to buy. Salary would be in the 4-6MM bracket and on a one year contract renewable annually.
Yeah that's more or less what I was thinking, unless he comes and flops a la Sheva II.
Trouble with giving him a low salary to start off besides the disrespect is that, if he does perform, not only will we need to give him a hike, but probably a longer contract as well.
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Milan have revealed their official shirt numbers for 2012-13 and Kaka’s old No 22 is still up for grabs…
The Diavolo have been linked with their former hero and Antonio Nocerino’s decision to let go of the 22, for Gennaro Gattuso’s No 8, will only intensify rumours that a move is possible given that was Kaka’s previous squad number at the club.
Alessandro Nesta’s No 13 has been given to new signing Francesco Acerbi, while Clarance Seedorf’s 10 has been inherited by Kevin Prince Boateng.
Alexandre Pato has swapped his No 7 for Pippo Inzaghi’s No 9.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s 11 is unassigned following his switch to Paris Saint-Germain, while Riccardo Montolivo will wear the 18.
Squad: 1 Marco Amelia, 2 Mattia De Sciglio, 4 Sulley Muntari, 5 Philippe Mexes, 8 Antonio Nocerino, 9 Alexandre Pato, 10 Kevin Prince Boateng, 12 Bakaye Traore, 13 Francesco Acerbi, 14 Rodney Strasser, 15 Djamel Mesbah, 16 Mathieu Flamini, 18 Riccardo Montolivo, 20 Ignazio Abate, 21 Kevin Constant, 23 Massimo Ambrosini, 25 Daniele Bonera, 28 Urby Emanuelson, 32 Christian Abbiati, 59 Gabriel, 70 Robinho, 76 Mario Yepes, 77 Luca Antonini, 92 Stephan El Shaarawy, 99 Antonio Cassano
The Diavolo have been linked with their former hero and Antonio Nocerino’s decision to let go of the 22, for Gennaro Gattuso’s No 8, will only intensify rumours that a move is possible given that was Kaka’s previous squad number at the club.
Alessandro Nesta’s No 13 has been given to new signing Francesco Acerbi, while Clarance Seedorf’s 10 has been inherited by Kevin Prince Boateng.
Alexandre Pato has swapped his No 7 for Pippo Inzaghi’s No 9.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s 11 is unassigned following his switch to Paris Saint-Germain, while Riccardo Montolivo will wear the 18.
Squad: 1 Marco Amelia, 2 Mattia De Sciglio, 4 Sulley Muntari, 5 Philippe Mexes, 8 Antonio Nocerino, 9 Alexandre Pato, 10 Kevin Prince Boateng, 12 Bakaye Traore, 13 Francesco Acerbi, 14 Rodney Strasser, 15 Djamel Mesbah, 16 Mathieu Flamini, 18 Riccardo Montolivo, 20 Ignazio Abate, 21 Kevin Constant, 23 Massimo Ambrosini, 25 Daniele Bonera, 28 Urby Emanuelson, 32 Christian Abbiati, 59 Gabriel, 70 Robinho, 76 Mario Yepes, 77 Luca Antonini, 92 Stephan El Shaarawy, 99 Antonio Cassano
i read kaka being linked with inter and so was cassano..
taiwo and didac villa will probably sold as they are not given a number at all.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 26 2012, 10:54 AM)
Trouble with giving him a low salary to start off besides the disrespect is that, if he does perform, not only will we need to give him a hike, but probably a longer contract as well.
I don't find it disrespectful, he should understand how things are in Milan right now. It's not like we're spending big and are only being cheap with him. If it's true that we want him then they'd be telling him we have a place but the way things are at the club we can only offer that much. Besides if they're offering him 6m that's the maximum at Milan currently, isn't it? So there won't be a need for a raise.
No 6MM is fine. It would make him our highest paid. It would be relative to other team mates.
What I mean is for example, we cannot be giving him a salary like we are giving Boateng for example. It has to be higher.
What I mean is for example, we cannot be giving him a salary like we are giving Boateng for example. It has to be higher.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 26 2012, 02:03 PM)
No 6MM is fine. It would make him our highest paid. It would be relative to other team mates.
What I mean is for example, we cannot be giving him a salary like we are giving Boateng for example. It has to be higher.
What I mean is for example, we cannot be giving him a salary like we are giving Boateng for example. It has to be higher.
Who cares? The maximum I'd give him is €5 million, and that's being generous. We have a salary cap now, and we should respect it.
What is the salary cap though? I've also heard of a mythical wage cap...but unless you hear the figures, you don't know for sure.
Milan has reportedly made a 13m offer for Ricardo KAKA to Madrid. They want to cut his 9m wages in 50%.
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 26 2012, 04:19 PM)
Milan has reportedly made a 13m offer for Ricardo KAKA to Madrid. They want to cut his 9m wages in 50%.
That's a lot of money for a club that is struggling financially, mostly because of the wage bill, and this won't help.
For half that price, and much less wage as well, you can sign younger creative mids like Afellay and Maher.
Sure, short term Kaká would be very nice, but I don't want the same thing happening over and over again.
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 26 2012, 05:26 PM)
That's a lot of money for a club that is struggling financially, mostly because of the wage bill, and this won't help.
For half that price, and much less wage as well, you can sign younger creative mids like Afellay and Maher.
Sure, short term Kaká would be very nice, but I don't want the same thing happening over and over again.
For half that price, and much less wage as well, you can sign younger creative mids like Afellay and Maher.
Sure, short term Kaká would be very nice, but I don't want the same thing happening over and over again.
How are you so sure of that?I'd prefer young talent as well,it's just we need someone with experience after all those departures.
QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 26 2012, 04:30 PM)
How are you so sure of that?I'd prefer young talent as well,it's just we need someone with experience after all those departures.
Maher wants to leave AZ. He is upset, and tries to get a transfer to either Ajax or PSV. Both teams can't pay much money (7 million euros tops). Afellay has been rumoured to be available for 6 million euros, being offered to Arsenal and Inter. Unsure he still is up for grabs or that the coach wants to keep him, but at least we could try.
The team needs a reference point in midfield and Kaka would provide that. as much as I'd like us to sign someone who could become the next Kaka or Seedorf, we have no choice right now. we need a "champion".
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 26 2012, 05:29 PM)
The team needs a reference point in midfield and Kaka would provide that. as much as I'd like us to sign someone who could become the next Kaka or Seedorf, we have no choice right now. we need a "champion".
We do have a choice. Are we preferring the short or the long term? Selling the likes of Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva made me think it's the long term that needs special attention. Now we partly will blow that by making a signing like this. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Kaká while he is quality, and will help this team a lot. Unsure it's the smartest thing to do though, but we need someone, that's for sure.
I would take Kaka for about 5 or 6m wages. It may be slightly overpriced, but this team needs a veteran leader desperately. Ambrosini alone won't cut it.
Also a silly, unrelated question - do football teams not retire jersey numbers of the greatest long-time legends (i.e. take the number out of future use)? This is a common thing in USA sports (i.e., no one will ever wear #23 for the Chicago Bulls after Michael Jordan did). If this was common practice I couldn't imagine Nesta's and Inzaghi's numbers not being up for this honor. Is Maldini's number eligible to use? I see no one has it on the list for this season.
Also a silly, unrelated question - do football teams not retire jersey numbers of the greatest long-time legends (i.e. take the number out of future use)? This is a common thing in USA sports (i.e., no one will ever wear #23 for the Chicago Bulls after Michael Jordan did). If this was common practice I couldn't imagine Nesta's and Inzaghi's numbers not being up for this honor. Is Maldini's number eligible to use? I see no one has it on the list for this season.
QUOTE (servbot @ Jul 26 2012, 05:33 PM)
I would take Kaka for about 5 or 6m wages. It may be slightly overpriced, but this team needs a veteran leader desperately. Ambrosini alone won't cut it.
Also a silly, unrelated question - do football teams not retire jersey numbers of the greatest long-time legends (i.e. take the number out of future use)? This is a common thing in USA sports (i.e., no one will ever wear #23 for the Chicago Bulls after Michael Jordan did). If this was common practice I couldn't imagine Nesta's and Inzaghi's numbers not being up for this honor. Is Maldini's number eligible to use? I see no one has it on the list for this season.
Also a silly, unrelated question - do football teams not retire jersey numbers of the greatest long-time legends (i.e. take the number out of future use)? This is a common thing in USA sports (i.e., no one will ever wear #23 for the Chicago Bulls after Michael Jordan did). If this was common practice I couldn't imagine Nesta's and Inzaghi's numbers not being up for this honor. Is Maldini's number eligible to use? I see no one has it on the list for this season.
You are not known with the numbers 3 and 6, Paolo Maldini and Franco Baresi, being retired?
there seems to be quite a lot on cassano out as well. I really dont see hte point we wont get a lot of money for him and he can be very useful to us anyway..
QUOTE (servbot @ Jul 26 2012, 08:03 PM)
I would take Kaka for about 5 or 6m wages. It may be slightly overpriced, but this team needs a veteran leader desperately. Ambrosini alone won't cut it.
Also a silly, unrelated question - do football teams not retire jersey numbers of the greatest long-time legends (i.e. take the number out of future use)? This is a common thing in USA sports (i.e., no one will ever wear #23 for the Chicago Bulls after Michael Jordan did). If this was common practice I couldn't imagine Nesta's and Inzaghi's numbers not being up for this honor. Is Maldini's number eligible to use? I see no one has it on the list for this season.
Also a silly, unrelated question - do football teams not retire jersey numbers of the greatest long-time legends (i.e. take the number out of future use)? This is a common thing in USA sports (i.e., no one will ever wear #23 for the Chicago Bulls after Michael Jordan did). If this was common practice I couldn't imagine Nesta's and Inzaghi's numbers not being up for this honor. Is Maldini's number eligible to use? I see no one has it on the list for this season.
Only Maldini's sons can take the #3, so it's semi-retired. Baresi's #6 is retired permanently.
It takes something very special to retire a number. beside being a great footballer, the best in your position, I'd say longevity and being a one club man are the main factors. as great as Pippo and Nesta were for Milan, they weren't one club men like Baresi and Maldini. Pippo played for our biggest rival and Nesta was a Lazio legend before they had to do a Silva to him.
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 26 2012, 08:02 PM)
We do have a choice. Are we preferring the short or the long term? Selling the likes of Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva made me think it's the long term that needs special attention. Now we partly will blow that by making a signing like this. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Kaká while he is quality, and will help this team a lot. Unsure it's the smartest thing to do though, but we need someone, that's for sure.
I don't think an unproven talent (Ganso/Affelay/Eriksen/etc.) is the answer here. we need a proven champion, of course I would've liked Fabregas for example, but we should consider the possibilities too. beside Kaka do you know any champion who would come for the same price and on a 6m contract? I don't.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 27 2012, 12:08 AM)
I don't think an unproven talent (Ganso/Affelay/Eriksen/etc.) is the answer here. we need a proven champion, of course I would've liked Fabregas for example, but we should consider the possibilities too. beside Kaka do you know any champion who would come for the same price and on a 6m contract? I don't.
+1
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 26 2012, 06:08 PM)
I don't think an unproven talent (Ganso/Affelay/Eriksen/etc.) is the answer here. we need a proven champion, of course I would've liked Fabregas for example, but we should consider the possibilities too. beside Kaka do you know any champion who would come for the same price and on a 6m contract? I don't.
Afellay is not an unproven talent. He is a 26 year old attacking midfielder annex winger. Not only he carried PSV to success, but has also been starter for the national team, and has deserved a transfer to FC Barcelona, which is not some a random team. Maher is a different story, while he only has been playing one full season.
Exactly an answer to what, by the way?
The answer to the problem of the lack of a reference point / a leader / a champion in the team. someone who our young, inexperienced players can look up to, especially in difficult moments.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 26 2012, 01:15 PM)
The answer to the problem of the lack of a reference point / a leader / a champion in the team. someone who our young, inexperienced players can look up to, especially in difficult moments.
This x100.
Kaka IS a short term solution because we need one. We have no leader in the locker room except for Ambro. Yes, we need to have a youth movement but you should always have a few experienced guys in the team.
I think you guys are right about that. It has been a worry of mine that we might lack that, especially up front.
Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva, Gattuso, Inzaghi, Van Bommel, Nesta, Zambrotta and Seedorf. That is quite a list of experienced players, pretty much all of them leaders and reference points as well.
Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva, Gattuso, Inzaghi, Van Bommel, Nesta, Zambrotta and Seedorf. That is quite a list of experienced players, pretty much all of them leaders and reference points as well.
There are rumors that with Kaká's arrival, Allegri will play him as SS, alongside Pato, which right now is Cassano's role.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 26 2012, 07:45 PM)
There are rumors that with Kaká's arrival, Allegri will play him as SS, alongside Pato, which right now is Cassano's role.
I do believe that a Boateng (or Robinho), Kaká and Pato combo will work best.
As long as the tactics are accurate, I don't care who is put at AM on paper (obviously not Pato).
We have to consider though that all three of Boateng, Kaká and Pato are very injury prone. God help us keep them fit!
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 26 2012, 10:37 AM)
You are not known with the numbers 3 and 6, Paolo Maldini and Franco Baresi, being retired?
Nope, I've only been watching club football for 3 years.
Thanks for the answers Chu and Zed!
QUOTE ('X-Offender')
We have to consider though that all three of Boateng, Kaká and Pato are very injury prone. God help us keep them fit!
I think because of this we would have to keep Cassano also.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 26 2012, 06:45 PM)
There are rumors that with Kaká's arrival, Allegri will play him as SS, alongside Pato, which right now is Cassano's role.
That wouldn't make any sense really. Out of all of those players, Cassano is the one with the most refined touch and even vision.
Cassano has to be a focal point in our attack now that we lost Ibra.
If Kaka really does come I'd like to see us go for something like this
Abate--CB--Mexes--LB
Boateng--Monto--Nocerino
Kaka
Pato--Cassano
Boateng--Monto--Nocerino
Kaka
Pato--Cassano
Plus this would solve our DM issue since that position isn't looking likely to be filled anytime soon
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 26 2012, 08:25 PM)
Plus this would solve our DM issue since that position isn't looking likely to be filled anytime soon
By playing without a DM?
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 26 2012, 06:29 PM)
By playing without a DM?
Well it's better than playing with a system that revolves around a DM when Ambro is your only option...
I think it would be best to change up the system. Play Monto in the old Pirlo role, with Prince and Nocerino on either side to provide the legs and power in midfield.
The attack would work itself out on its own if we had those 3 upfront.
To me, Nocerino is a DM. No matter how much he attacks, he still is a DM. He just has a Gattuso role.
We use to play:
and now we can play:
Some of you I swear are thick... and not the good kind!
We use to play:
Pirlo
Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
and now we can play:
Monto
Boateng Nocerino
Kaka
Boateng Nocerino
Kaka
Some of you I swear are thick... and not the good kind!
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 26 2012, 08:12 PM)
To me, Nocerino is a DM. No matter how much he attacks, he still is a DM. He just has a Gattuso role.
We use to play:
and now we can play:
We use to play:
Pirlo
Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
and now we can play:
Monto
Boateng Nocerino
Kaka
Boateng Nocerino
Kaka
Agreed completely on Nocerino
What I was mostly talking about is the midfield anchor which Allegri likes to play. Nocerino cannot play that position, so why play with a system that requires a pure holding DM when our only option is Ambro?
So imo, the formation you posted would be the way to go for us at this point. That Traore dude is clearly not a DM either, I don't know what the f*** he is tbh, he doesn't even look like much of a footballer from what I saw
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