I want to shoot Mesbah right now !

So when is the signing of Kaka will become official?

Galliani just wants to make it dramatic

January 31, 2013

The 2012 summer transfer window is now officially closed for the Italian clubs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSep7QJXKlE

See, I told you Kaká wasn't coming. But what pisses me off is that jerkweed of Mesbah! Because of him we didn't sign a leftback. Now we're stuck with Antonini for the rest of the season.

Have you forgotten about Didac Vila?

We have made several cheap and free signings, with people responding that we can sell them (with profit) easily if they turn out to be too bad...

Well, the joke is on Milan. I'd say make sure you sign the right players, instead of players like Onweyu, Mesbah and Traoré and just expect they can be sold within a year to make profit and/or because he disappointed.

I can't be mad at Mesbah. Pretty much my least favourite player in the squad, but Galliani is the one getting on my nerves.

The player we sold to Valencia, only to come back because he failed his medical, and just underwent a surgery that will keep him out for two months? Nope, didn't forget about him at all. The guy's never gonna have a chance here, it's way too obvious. The way I see, Antonini will be our starting LB ( ), De Sciglio will be the alternative, and in case of emergency Emanuelson will play there. Mesbah I hope will never see the light of day anymore.

To sum it up, our fullbacks suck!

You mean the injured player and one that is not rated by the coach? We have 3 left backs, the best of them can be called mediocre when he's on form.

Mesbah is a leech but we should have bought a decent LB much sooner and he would be no choice but leave. Now he sees that Antonini is his competition for a place and thinks he got a shot.

Good thing we have winter transfer window.

I'm just saying that Vila couldn't be much worse than Mesbah, at least that's positive right?

How about playing Abate in the right and De Sceiglio in the left?? what is this insistence that De Sciglio MUST be our RB? he can play as a LB, let him play as a LB!

how would Abate do as leftback? De Sciglio's right-footed crossing from right(wing)back position is the best asset I've seen in a long time on Milan fullback positions. He may can play leftback, but would that reduce the crossing quality?

I like how Galliani is getting what he asked for by signing the excuse for a footballer which is Mesbah. stop blaming the player, everyone in his place would hang on to a Milan stay. Galliani needs to cut the crap and stop making useless signing for the sake of it.

I love the idea of putting him as LB. But then again, Allegri's the coach. Is he right-footed or left-footed? Antonini was initially a right-back but then switched to the left. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Anyway, no harm in trying I guess.

I don't know how good Vilá is. What I know is that Allegri has zero confidence in him. Just think about it. We sign him as a young prospect from Espanyol, he plays one silly game in six months, then he's loaned out to Espanyol for another season. He comes back, Allegri has all summer to evaluate him, then at the end we decide to loan him to Valencia, again. Isn't it obvious?

Yeah if De Sciglio plays in the left it'll be harder for him to cross the ball as he can't make crosses with his left leg and has to switch to his right leg. but Abate? the guy can't cross even in his natural position, there's no way he could do **** as a left back.

I remember him having to switch to his right leg when he wanted to cross the ball in the derby last season. I'm not sure he's comfortable with his left leg.

Wise words.



I love how we've already branded De Sciglio as the new Tassotti. Personally, I think Antonini is better than De Sciglio. I haven't seen anything spectacular from the latter to make me think otherwise. He just does average stuff, which Antonini and Abate can do very well, too.

Since he can't cross well on the right, then it doesn't matter, right? If he can feel comfy playing on the left side, especially when it comes to defending, then I'd do it. We'd have De Sciglio's nice crossing from the right, and our best fullbacks on the pitch. Maybe Abate on the left, meaning to cut in and so, passing differently than how it was on the right, couldn't be so bad. Maybe he will score a goal or two.

I remember some time ago, that at the beginning of the season there was mentioned the idea to try out Abate on the left. Maybe it's time for that. Many fullbacks can play on both sides, but plenty don't or can't, so not sure it would work. For example, Balzaretti, a well-known left-sided player, played as rightback last EUROs, and did well.

Perhaps because he's actually not bad at all for a 20 year old? Especially since we're talking about Serie A. Davide Santon actually did well in his first full season at Inter and I think they made a mistake by selling him. He's doing good at Newcastle. I think we should give this young chap a vote of confidence in his ability by playing him more often.

De Sciglio the LB? or De Sciglio the player?

I don't agree either way, De Sciglio is very young and has a lot of room for improvement. I think we should play him consistently, if he shows continuity and improves as a player, great. if not at least we won't regret anything. I'd play him ahead of Abate/Antonini any day. with those two we know what we have, average players who will never significantly improve. especially Luca. but De Sciglio.... let's give him a chance ffs!!

You guys speak of De Sciglio like you've seen him play a hundred times. Yes, Antonini is better then De Sciglio for now. But maybe the kid has potential, and playing him more often could excel him to a new level. Just look how Abate turned with determination and much faith into a solid fullback.

As for Mesbah...I don't know. You guys seemed also pretty happy when we signed him. Funny how things change.
People make mistakes. He was a bad signing, that's all.

Yeah I kind of agree. problem is, I don't trust Abate much. I think he'll do even worse as a leftback. but it won't hurt to try it. but I can't see it ever happening. can you?


+1

But we need immediate results. We don't have the luxury to experiment with De Sciglio, when Abate and Antonini can deliver right away. Sure, he's 20 years old, and he has great margins of improvement. But reading your posts about him, it's like we've signed Dani Alves or something.

If Milan would have had more faith in its own youth, we'd have an alternative for Montolivo in Merkel and/or the possibility to play with two playmaking midfielders.

After Merkel, De Sciglio is the next own youth player that has the prospect of playing an important role to our first team. I am confident he will grow into a much better player than Abate in no time. His crossing already is superior to Abate's. Also showed good defensive attributes, but don't look down on him because of a lack of consistency. That is common at young age.

Ideally, either Abate can adapt well to the leftside, even though I don't see that switch happen, or De Sciglio can also put in good crosses from the left.

Who was "happy"? I think you meant to say we didn't complain the day we signed him. which would be true, because none of us could imagine he'd turn into the worst player to wear our jersey in years.

Btw, Antonini is better than De Sciglio? I'm sorry but I can't agree. I never saw the confidence I saw in De Sciglio in Antonini. he has a cool head, doesn't freak out when he's given a chance. Gourcuff for example NEVER looked that way. he has zero confidence even though he had talent IMO. I just can hope De Scilgio gets enough time to prove his worth. if he turned out to be the next Antonini or Abate, fair enough. but right now he's more important than Antonini as far as I'm concerned.

Nope.

I expect Abate to always play as rightback when he's playing as a fullback for us. Antonini, De Sciglio, Mesbah and Vilà all can play on the left afterall.

And well, Abate could do even worse as leftback, that's a possibility, yes. Maybe bench Abate?

I never implied that he's world class or great already, did I? and if we can't give our youngsters a chance this season I don't know when we can. we don't need immediate results, we're in a transitional period and this is the best time to experiment with all the young players we've brought because they'll be our future. do I need to remind you that Milan can't compete for world class/great players anymore because they cost too much? even if we'll have money next year, we'll spend it on somewhere else. I just can't see us breaking the bank on a LB. not as long as Galliani and Berlu with their huge fetish for collecting forwards decide for this club.

It may not be a rule, but a defender (and especially young defender) who has this trait is a sign of quality.

He's good enough for RB all things considered. it's Antonini I can't stand. that's why I hope we try De Sciglio in the left and Abate in the right.

I don't understand the lack of faith in Vilà. No matter how often and how badly Taiwo and Mesbah disappointed, Vilà never gets a chance. The only game for Milan, I thought he did well for a first time, and showed he has something more to offer than the others. At a youth tournament for national teams, he was excellent, I've seen some games myself, and heard others praising him as well. Unfortunality didn't follow him at Espanyol, but why has Valencia faith in him, but Allegri not? I just don't get it. Not saying he's superb, but looking at his age, putting trust in him by giving him gametime, may end in a big reward. It's not like we will actually buy an already quality fullback...

Yes, no one complain, but the opposite. Some tried to convince me how good he is.


Oh, I disagree, but I'm too tired now to argue. Didn't you watch Sampdoria? De Sciglio is okay, he may turn out great or super-frakin-tastic, but nowadays he's still very green.

Antonini and Abate are far from garantuees to immediate results. They don't always deliver. Antonini often been our bottlekneck (in our defense). And I only have to name Milito, and you've got a few examples for Abate too. And let's not talk about them delivering when it comes to the attacking part of the game... not quite often they do

I agree with Chu-Lip. I've seen him a couple of times at Espanyol. No, he's not Dani Alves or Ashley Cole, but he's definitely better than Antonini and Mesbah. As expected of a Spanish full-back, good going forward but his defensive positioning can be off at times. Perhaps this is why Allegri hasn't fully trusted him but then again isn't that precisely why we criticize Mesbah and Antonini? Nothing to lose by having a bit of faith in him.

A combination of good training, getting gametime, and being young, should make his defending better. For Vilà there's hope, unlike with Antonini and Mesbah. Valencia were probably confident about making Vilà a quality leftback, but Allegri not? I feel like Allegri is playing too safe. Rather plays experienced average, than with unexperienced average that may develop into quality. How are we ever going to become strong again if we have no money to buy quality, and no coach that develops youth? Allegri and Galliani rather sign mediocre bosmans instead.

Is that supposed to be surprising or anything? he's 20 and has played less games than Pato has managed to stay healthy between each injury. he can't mature without playing regularly, it's a fact. and he won't necessarily turn out great either. but I repeat, I'd give him as many chances to prove his worth and mature as possible. I'm not saying play him against a top team in a CL knockout game, but he should play in most of our Serie A games as well as Coppa IMO.

Can someone open the Winter Transfers 2013 topic ?

We're probably getting Mbiwa for peanuts then.

There was 3 unread pages which I clicked on this thread. I thought we'd signed someone, but it was 3 pages of how crap our fullbacks are.

Not a bad window. Personally, I'm happy with the work Galliani has done.


Now lets look at the specifics.



Out:


Van Bommel (free)
nesta (free)
seedorf (free)
gattuso (free)
zambrotta (free)
inzaghi (free)
Silva (42m)
Ibra (23m)
Cassano (swap)
Aquilani (end of loan)
Lopez (end of loan)
Merkel (swap)


In:

El Sharaawy (10m full ownership)
Pazzini (7m)
Acerbi (4m)
De Jong (3.5m)
Niang (2m)
Bojan (loan 1m)
Zapata (loan 500k)
Gabriel (500k)
Constant (loan free)
Traore (free)
Montolivo (free)

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11 players in

12 players out


65m earned

28.5m spent


Net profit 36.5m

Drop in quality - significant.

The window left us with a far too weak defense, a so-so midfield and an unproven and often injured attack. C+.

As far as value for each player goes, B+. I think we paid a fair or below value price for each player, minus Pazzini. 3.5m should've been enough there.

We paid €10 million for him, yes, but Genoa also paid €5 million for Merkel. In the end, he only cost us €5 million this summer. So, we basically spent €23.5 million for a net profit of €41.5 million.

Ahh, the economical side may turn out good...but in the end, I don't care about it. Selling our best players just so we can balance of the books, that's something I hoped Milan will never achieve in the Berlusconi era. But well,...

Good window? How can this be possibly a good window when we lost all our experience, all our specialness and all our world class in one window? This window turned Milan into a team unrecognizable to fans who grew up under Baresi, Maldini or Nesta.

i can't believe we paid 5 mil for sharaawy.

Just wait until Montolivo gets hurt, then you wouldn't be so happy.

I'm looking long term. Silva and co. are gone, we have to accept this and move on. At the end of the day, we have to do whats best for the football club and I believe galliani made some right moves.


Keeping in mind that we had 63m debt and virtually no source of income for transfers, we were given very little by berlusconi. About 20m.

The real question is were we able to take that 20m and recover somewhat from the damage? I believe so.



1)We got montolivo on a free transfer, no discussion needed here.

2) Traore is depth at most, he might not play but if we have an injury crisis we need someone. He'll do the job for serie a.

3) 4m Acerbi. This is a gamble. I believe that our scouting department saw something in this guy and decided to spend the money. Its too early to make any judgement on him, we'll see if he turned out to be a killer deal or not. Anyways 4m for a promising CB is a good move.

4) 5m for Sharawy. This is a must for our club. This kid is going to be our symbol in a couple years. He has deadly potential and getting him on a full was a smart move. Only downside is losing someone like merkel, but there is no way genoa in their right mind would just give up their best talent for nothing.


5)Gabriel for 500k. Great price for a gk with potential. Now only if he lives up to it.

6) Zapata for 500k. No discussion needed here, he's quality we all know it. Just doesn't fit la liga's style. Remember we were linked with him a while back for something around 20m.


7)Constant for free on loan. Just depth like Traore. Not gonna be a main player.


8) pazzini 7m. Now this transfer was idiotic and I can't believe Galliani actually did this but I don't know if he had much choice. Cassano pretty much forced a transfer and said he only wanted inter and so we had to get a replacement. 7m is a bit too much for pazzini but at the end of the day we were put in a very bad spot by cassano and had to do something. This probably will not happen ever again.



9)De jong. 3.5m. Wow, just wow. World class transfer fee. He's our second best signing. City lost massive on this one, they spent over 20 signing him. He's gonna do well for us, I can see him replacing van bommel with ease.


10) Bojan. I've always liked him. If he does well we got a world class upcoming striker for 20m. If he doens't do well oh well, we send him back to roma. He has a lot of potential and if Allegri can somehow find a way to use him and pato well together, we'll be destroying teams. I can promise you that.


11) Niang. Our best transfer. For only 2m we signed this amazing wonder kid. He and Sharaawy are our future. This kid is gonna light up serie A in a couple years. He's fast, strong, tall, technical, has a good finish and he's only 17! I can't wait to see him debut. I can't believe Galliani beat out city arsenal and co for his signing.




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Yes at the end of the day we did lose a lot of quality. But we did what a proper club in our situation would do, invest in youth and build for the next couple years. We may not do well this year or the next, but in 3 years time you will see a new milan. A young and vibrant milan.


Put your money on these 2 players. Niang and sharaawy. They'll lead us to success in 3 years time.