news:


-Tevez has declined Milan. Mancini called him up and asked him if he was interested and the striker said he isn't interested in Milan.


-Mesbah has declined the offer to go to Torino. He either wants to stay or more money.





sky/tmw/mn

I see this as you trying to justify things with very weak arguments.

The Arsenal model? What model is that exactly? The art of not winning?

If Silva is worth nearly 50m on his own, then how could a sane person accept 65m for both him and Ibra for a minimal increase of 15m to the deal? I thought Galliani was a shrewed market operator and all that other BS but he would clearly be taken for a ride if this goes through

If we wanted to make a long term plan, then Silva would be the last player sold, not the first one wh@red out at the first decent offer. I would understand selling Ibra (to an extent) but not this stupidity


Agreed

@ the rumours coming out, I think it's all just ridiculous and plain old silly at this point. I don't think any of the press knows WTF is going on right now

Totally

What's the difference between last year's bestselling book and Arsenal? The book had a title!

Secondly, Arsenal's cheapness is what allowed them to build the Emirates in the first place. Banks don't give loans to an organization that is losing 100 million a year. Their financial model and operating style were in place way before the Emirates was built.



The Arsenal financial model, I imagine.


The same reason, Inter got 46 million + Eto'o for Ibrahimovic. Terminating contracts automatically cut the value of a player. Next, the focus of selling Ibra is not to get money for the transfer, but to take 24 million out of the wages every year.



Too much is made of those 6 months. All it means is that perhaps the new CB will not make an immediate impact. He will take time to pick up Italian, get used to his team mates etc. And besides if he comes early enough in the transfer season, there is enough time to train with the team.

The Nesta situation is a huge handicap, I give you that. I trust Mexes as far as I can throw him. But I doubt Nesta alone made Silva so good. Besides we have coaches.

So the question is very simple... 170 million and in return we get a CB who is about 30% less efficient (but can improve), and a possible hole in the front line to be filled in by a different type of player (though we've all agreed that Ibra is replaceable). But we can plug in holes elsewhere. In mid-field at fullback, all of which would certainly outweigh the loss of strength in the CB line.

The trouble is in the leadership of the dressing room. Something everyone is overlooking. Ibra and Silva both leaving leave huge holes, and might even bring the ugly sides of Cassano and Boateng out. And Max is in no way gonna handle that sort of sh!t going down.

Ambro won't be enough.

But one point is certain: This has been the biggest crossroads Milan have faced ever since Berlusconi took over.

29/28 same thing, he will last 5 years at best with us. His value wont be that high in two years time. That was the point I was making.

The future is built on the 65MM, by future I mean the new Milan under FFP.



Arsenal, as in their financial structure. To be self sufficient. You do understand we cant afford top players like Silva and Zlatan, considering the offer from PSG, don't you? Arsenal is not the most successful club in history, but it is run very efficiently.

I don't expect you to make sense of it .. Your a fan, you have sentiments. End of.



That's not a sound assessment. You need to incorporate the increase in their wages at Milan and how it would impact our bottom line - ie our fight to generate profit and be self efficient.



Galliani is a shrewd businessman, you just don't know how the accounting of it works.

Stupidity is not thinking of the potential impact in keeping Zlatan and Thiago, on the books. You can't just take the 65MM figure and say that is what Zlatan and Silva are worth. PSG will invest over 200MM for their respective contracts coupled with the transfer fee.

Again ... All you guys need to calm down. Silva and Zlatan did not make Milan history. We have gone through this before, by now, we should know what our club's situation is like. Instead of just folding our arms and sulking in the corner, just take it on the chin the fact that your club can not afford what PSG, City, Madrid, Barcelona, United, Bayern can afford.

You said it yourself about Serie A and Italy's economic situation.

news:


Terms have been agreed for Rafael. The transfer negoations will begin next week.


The deal will consist of the following.


Robinho will be exchanged for Rafael + cash. Rafael will stay at Santos for (1 year on loan) and will be our starting keeper the next season.



Milan have deemed robinho surplus and want to get his 4m/year wage off the payroll

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Ibra has agreed to PSG's offer of 12.5m euros + bonuses. Raiola's meeting with Leonardo has ended and all that remains is the official.

bye bye




sky/cm/mn

say good bye guys


It was fun while it lasted. Cassano is up next

Lol, and the money we're about to lose due to not making the CL, less season ticket sales, less shirt sales should not be taken into consideration?

If we don't make the CL next season, that's already the sum we've saved for next season out the window.

The consequences of this sale are not just saving money on these players' wages, they wil reverberate for a good few years. And even so, these players have to be replaced with other players, who last time I checked will want to be payed in actual money and not gift cards for a lifetime supply of mediaset premium subscribtions...

Why are we talking about figures and amounts that supposedly were offered? Don't you guys know that the real numbers never appear?

Madrid have told Kaka that he is no longer needed at the club and to find a solution.


He is transfer listed.






marca

Will take him for 4.5 million a year.

Far fetched. Let's first reach August 31st without a single replacement and then we will think about it. Less season ticket sales were something we have had for sometime now. Our ticket sales have been stuck at 60% for quite a few years now.

And jersey sales are no biggie. Fans are fickle. We just need Pato to explode and watch the sales take off. Silva is not the type of player to sell jerseys. None of our players were save Ibra. And that's also nothing compared to what we had with Kaka.

In fact I'll wager that Beckham sold more jerseys than Ibra did if you took a per-month basis.

That is just premature, it is still early July you know, window closes on the August 31st.. Don't pass judgment like that. Because in order for us to be in the CL, we have to be self sufficient. We don't have a stadium, we don't have the attendances and TV contracts ala EPL, La Liga and Bundesliga. We could operate as we always did, but that would mean our expulsion from Europe and just play for local titles. You tell me which is the sound judgment? Then explain to me how economically feasible your decision will be.

We never won the CL with Silva and Zlatan, and it never looked like it will come anytime soon, especially with a hoard of City, PSG, Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, etc all pumping in multimillion 'comfortably' to win it.

The sooner this sinks in, the better for your sake. Otherwise, you will be here next summer talking about how shortsighted our management is when Pato's sale is up for discussion

How? That means the combined contracts would need to be worth 140m?

75% tax rate on footballers earning over 1MM in france.

My sentiments exactly

I am personally sad to see Silva go, but at the end of the day, he wasn't with us for very long. Sure he is easily thr best defender in the world right now, but I think if we invest properly, we could be building the next generation of MILAN legends. Not Inter and Barca rejects. To me, it was much sadder to watch the old guard exit stage left. Those guys helped to build Milan into the team it is today, and we need a new set of 'those guys'.

Zlatan by himself is angling for a deal worth almost 50 million (14x4 and bonuses). So add taxes onto that is how much PSG are gonna shell out in wages for Zlatan alone.

Then you add Silva in the mix and do the same Math.

And our deal is 65 M plus bonuses of an added 10, if rumours be true. So, suddenly it doesn't seem so far fetched.

I am a hardcore Milan fan. I love this club and what it had given me.

In the event that iBra is really gone, we're screwed. Our ONLY hope is Pato's Kaka-like ascendancy the way he rose to the occasion when $heva left. Back then I thought we were screwed too.

The BIGGEST problem is and will always be replacing Silva. I know nothing about Acerbi and that doesn't say much as I haven't gotten to watch much calcio this year (with my marriage&MSc). However Silva himself was considered a European flop, Zidane is an Algerian nt flop and Hulk was found in the Japanese second division....so there's no telling what the future could hold.

This is a good period in our history....we'll be rid of the groupies and bandwagoners that joined us post '07 or post iBra/Scudetto. The drawbacks of course are obvious and in terms of finances Galliani needs to turn water into wine as much of a club's finances are supplied by gloryhunters....who will instantly buy a jersey or two to identify with "their" team.

I also think we whould re-call Paloschi to our team. that ship has probably sailed with the renewal of the loan but I think a pairing of Pato-Palo will be deadly in about 2~3 years.....it's not like we have anything else to do other than experiment in the interim with Real, Barca, Chel$ki and Manure/ Manure $h!tty arming themselves to the teeth....we can forget pies in the sky like Balo (a dream signing tbh) and Sahin....although who knows?

All I want is a LB and a CAM. We rebuild and re-strategise and we will rise again. We are Milan....look how long Barca roamed the football wilderness before their windfall of success. Patience brothers, patience

were fcked plain and simple until Silvio sells. No matter which way you spin it, we need new owners.


1) Throw out the sentimental bullsh*t and family lovey dovey crap that we've always had with this club and realise that in order to compete with europe we have to make educated business decisions.


2) Build a new stadium. San Siro is a sinking ship and its taking us and Inter along with it.


3) Develop a proper youth system, which enables at least 20% (2 players every year) of whats developed to join the first team instead of going on co-owns all over the country.


4) Build a squad thats meant to last. Invest in young players with potential. That means give the italians like Poli a chance.

5) Introduce a proper wage structure for the club. How gattuso earned 8m gross and nesta only earned 5m last year is beyond me. Again the morons running this club are why we are in this mess. Have an organized plan with caps at certain levels.

6) Out with the old and in with the new. Clear the lot. Galliani, piersilvio, the medical department, the whole thing. Bring in modern, young and educated staff that can deliver. We need business oriented people in charge who look at stats and numbers not sentimental value.


7) Broaden our global market, Barca were a smaller brand than us 10 years ago and now we don't even come close in comparison.




If we don't have change in the club, we'll sink slowly along with the rest of serie A. Juve is the only club who can withstand the impact, the rest will suffer and die a slow pitiful death.

No way is Kaka worth 4.5m these days. 3m would be my final offer


You really think we'll see a re-investment into the team with that money? Don't be ridiculous, we've seen this BS happen every other summer. If a striker and a mediocre CB comes in we'd consider ourselves lucky, this after loosing the best striker and best defender from the league. It's just ridiculous really.

And don't kid yourself about CL, I was just reading this great article about this entire idiocy, and the difference between Milan with Ibra and without in the last 2 seasons is finishing first and second and finishing 6th. That's our reality here. And with only 3 spots available, I can't see us making it with our current crop.

The shirt sales and tickets were just minor examples, but the hit we'll take when we don't make the CL next season will be massive and will negate whatever we saved up by selling our only 2 star players

You know what it is the management should have thought of before all of this?

The 4.5m wage that was given to Rino, Seedorf, Ambro, 3.5m to Zambro, these are all players who barely even stepped on the pitch last season yet, it was ok to hand them such contracts, and now our only 2 high earners who actually deserve what they're earning are going to be shipped out because of all of the mis-management which occured in the past.


What does the window have to do with it when we all know that the money won't be put into the transfer kitty? And when have I said anything about winning the CL, we should worry about getting into the actual competition at this rate because with this current squad it won't happen.

So true..

In response to Bluey's post:


I almost disagree with every point, except the wages bit.

I think the wages were the only sentimental decision taken post 2007, when it was hard to renew the contracts of CL winners giving them huge paycuts.

1. They're being made. What you're seeing right now is an educated business decision.

2. Sure. And 400 MM for a new stadium is gonna be handed to us by who? You don't get loans without the stock and the balance sheet to match. Foreign ownership in Italy is prohibitive due to the taxation structure. The owner of Roma is American on paper, but he is an Italian who bought in due to sentimentality. And he is NO sugar daddy.

3. Milan spend I have read roughly around 20 MM a year on the youth system and scouting. That number might have increased thinking of the new transfers we hear. Barca, Madrid spend closer to 60M a year. That's how much we wish we could spend on transfers. We don't have the money to invest in a youth system.

4. The average age of Milan as we are now is 27. The youngest in 10 years. It will go down a bit more when Zlatan and Silva are sold and someone else bought in. Since all the names we are linked to (except Tevez) are younger than our outgoing members. Youth is not what's gonna make our squad 'last' for a long time. That family atmosphere you wanna throw out, that's what makes it last and stick together.

5. I agree with you completely on this point. The decisions on contracts taken in 2007 were done out of sentimentality and it has hurt us. But you cannot argue that it's not being taken care of. But again I ask you, look at Arsenal a club who does have a 'proper wage structure' and tell me how well it's working out.

6. To clear Galliani is complete nonsense. Yes he was strongly attached to our senators and did a stupid thing about extensions back in 2007. But they were fiercely loyal to him. Don't forget those senators will still contribute to us. Loyalty is what made Leo return money to the club. What made him stay on and what made him get Kaka and Pato and Silva for us. Now you have Nesta, Pippo, Rino, Clarence and a lot of others. Genuine statesmen. Plus, do you honestly think anyone else could have gotten Zlatan for that deal. Robinho for that deal. Silva for that deal?? Outside of Moggi, Galliani remains the best football specialist in the business. Period. Bankroll him like the Etihad is doing to City, and watch what happens.

7. How did Barca become a global phenomenon exactly? For years they laboured with their age old philosophy of the masia and 4-3-3 and got nothing. Then an exciting new talent called Ronaldinho, a few astute buys from FC Porto, one youth product who just turned out amazing and a coach who understood their philosophy. There's no BIG plan there. Just a few things finally working out right. And for all their 'global branding' their debt is at 483 MM. If any club in Serie A gets that sorta debt it goes under. Understand this. Barca and Real currently take HALF of the entire TV revene for the La Liga. That's half of the 600 M. While the rest of the clubs fight it out for the rest. Stop putting up Barca or Real as a posterboy for well run clubs. The Real Madrid debt almost caused Bankia to shut down.

Here...

f*ck me what is going on. It seems like its the raid serieA summer.


Anzhi have approached Inter for Sneijder. They are willing to pay sneijder 1.50$ per second lol. (just jokes thats Eto's wage). The rumour is forreal though.

Is this a surprise? If you say Milan is under bad management, maybe you should say Italy is. The whole league is affected, and I don't see a single manager not being affected by it or applying some long-term successful coping mechanism.

1. Selling Silva is not an educated choice Jack. It hurts our club in the long run. All the footballing experts in the world have said this.

2. The foreign ownership is not prohibited, its simply frowned upon. Clubs in Italy don't do it because they want stability in the market. Thats why no one has sold a club to an arab before no matter how many times they've come knocking. I think its something Serie A needs to consider if it wants to survive.



3. Where is that money spent mostly though, lets take a closer look at it. Barca fund another team (barca B ) which has its own set of matches, own stadium. On top of that they have their own school, which kids stay and live their fulltime. Madrid has three teams as well as a footballing school.

Milan has a youth system, which is barebone at best. We have teams and coaches in place and play games against other teams. What milan does, we here in canada do at an amature level with less than 250 K budget. We may spend 20 million, but its spent unwisely and incorrectly because the products we develop get shipped out and co-owned regardless. Its only recently that we've given some thought to it, but in the last 15-20 years its just been a waste of money. Don't believe me? Wheres Astori, matri and co right now?


4. Lots of clubs in europe don't have this family atmosphere of letting players be here for 10 years plus and they still run fine. Again it goes back to the foolishness of galliani that its taken so long to finally have a squad at the proper age. 27 is not shocking, its whats its supposed to be at. A club should operate on an average of between 25-28 not 33



5. Arsenal are much different to us in many aspects. You can't compare them to us. They have a different mentality, view, and beliefs on the sport than us.




6. Galliani's job is more than just the transfer market. While he may be an expert in this department, he is a an utter fool in others, especially in the payroll mgmt department.



7. Your not giving any credit to what Laporta did at the club when he took over. he changed their image completely, he brought about new marketing practices, new ideas and even a new slogan. "more than a club"

Its not just due to messi being lucky. You should read up on the club in more detail, a good friend of mine is a barca fanatic so I get to hear all this stuff all day. Thers documentaries and videos out there on Barca and none of it has anything to do with tv rights being the reason behind their success in recent times.

Well we can cross him off our list.

News:


-Thiago Silva is very angry with Milan because he didn't wanted to join PSG and signed an extention as he wanted to stay with Milan. He is not happy that Milan toyed with him by offering to sell him, rejecting the deal, offering him an extention and then selling him again.




-CNN:

"Silvio Berlusconi has announced his plan to run against Mario Monti for President of Italy. In an attempt to get campaign funding together, he's made some conservative business decisions."



Tevez: "I'd like to stay at city"


AIK Stockholm have cancelled their friendly with Milan on Aug 12 due to breach of terms. Milan had promised Ibrahimovic would feature in the match.



-We have bought 14 year old left back, Matteo Trentino from Como.





cds/sky/mn





Allright guys, good night i'm off to bed. I hope you enjoyed the updates.


Take care.

Shut up you unloyal Brazilian!






Yea I can see his heart only beats for Milan..

Silvio is turning Milan into a circus that matches his political carreer and personal life. Now he's hit the trifecta, hope he's happy.

So happy for PSG to be getting 2 players who will be going there against their will...

1. I think Silva's sale will hurt us for the next one season or two max. If Juve performed the way they did with just one bonafide star outfield player then we can as well.

2. I believe the Libyan Investment AUthority is the largest foreign investor with 7.5 % in Juventus. Before the Roma takeover that is. It is frowned upon, but surely with the crisis they would have opened up. Nobody invests out of heart. It takes some promise of a return. And if you're in debt it's difficult. No TV Rights, no world reach, no private stadiums. Whose fault is it? Galliani? No.

3. The League does not allow a B team. There is no chance for the youth team players to play against top notch opposition save for co-owns. Once again I repeat, the way we function worked well in a different economic climate, now it doesn't and we are adjusting. It's how business is.

4. It worked like a charm previously. And it's our strength. The family club is our identity, and we stick to it. We can make it work in other ways.

5. I disagree. I brought up Arsenal purely as an example since you seem to demand best-in-class of everything. Financial prudence, highly successful youth setup, top quality transfers and no sale of superstars to generate revenue. Such a club does not exist. They have to lose out in some of the areas.

6. Again, I agreed with you that the 2007 contract extensions were hasty and ill thought on hindsight. If sentimentality is his only fault, I can deal with it. But right now a decision being made is not sentimental at all. It's pure business, and yet we are up in arms?? Which one of our 'talismans' that we sold really went to a new place and set the place alight? Wasn't the Kaka sale supposed to be the end of us? Same with Sheva?

7. He did what?? If Milan like Madrid or Barca can take a 700 MM debt and spend it on players and marketing and branding, then we too will be spoken of in the same breath. Didn't you read the news snippet I posted?? An entire country's economy is collapsing and you're saying 170 MM being saved is bad business.

Now rumors are suggesting we want to replace Ibra with Pazzini.

Link

Definitely did. Sweet dreams!

I'd take him on the spot.

I wouldn't.

Now teams are cancelling their friendlies with us :')

Ahoooeey Mateys any sign of some shame from management?

Thiago's and Ibra's shirt personalizations have been removed from the official MilanStore.

So that's that...

Yup pretty much...

It was obvious there was no going back from this.

Sad. Maybe it will all lead somewhere... I doubt it. With Silva out there's now only one player I like in Milan, Pato. I guess there will be no one next summer. Nice!


What?


I can't imagine Silva having such a big presence.


YES!

I think Jack was referring more towards the aftermath and possible backlash from the rest of the locker room rather than his superb leadership and influence.

I'm truly sad about Silva. damn!

I wish we could at least show him a bit more respect/don't whore him around to the highest bidder two times in one transfer window. it was ugly the way it ended and he has every right to be angry. hopefully he won't hit out at us in the media every now and then like Pirlo did. I expect Ibra to speak his mind though, I expect the ugliest.

The so called "family atmosphere" at Milan is part of the history now. actually I'm not sure the handful of star players that's left for us have liked what they've seen. they all know they could be next in line in the near future so I don't expect heroics and sacrifices from them anymore.

Call me a pessimist but Milan is a sinking ship now. I personally don't see any rays of hope.

There's always hope. Milan was relegated already and ended up twice without a sniff at European Competition. We will return one day

I didn't mean until the end of time...

And the things is, Serie A was at its best in the late 80's, 90's and early 2000's. of course it was always easier for us to get back on our feet. right now with all the disadvantages an Italian club faces, I don't know. we've been on a downward spiral for about 6 years already - since 2006. so tell me when are things going to improve? I don't think that'll happen under Berlu and his company again.

This club needs a new life.