Kaka at his best is in the top 10 of players I've seen. Iniesta I'd maybe say top 30. But Iniesta has maintained a high level for more years than Kaka.

We have a winner. If you're opinion is different, you are wrong.

I'm opinion is different and I'm right.

The thing is I can look at it as a neutral. you guys look at it as Milan fans. if Iniesta did those things on a weekly basis with Milan, you would have praised him to the moon.

Bottom line is there's nothing Kaka has done that Iniesta hasn't as good if not better, but the other way's not necessarily true.

You're entitled to your opinion.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Jul 24 2012, 12:11 PM

So... where's Blue?

I can't recall Iniesta ever grabbing a team in massive decline by their hair and dragging them to a CL win. Iniesta has always played in a Barca team filled with players who are on the same level as him or better. Kaka's best seasons at Milan came when the rest of the players started to decline and he literally dragged everyone kicking and screaming to that CL in 07.

Iniesta is better in terms of longevity imo, but when it comes to explosiveness he can't touch Kaka in his best years.

exactly .. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Kaka too has had the chance to shine even further in one of the greatest teams in the world with great players around him but he's always failed to make a big impact in Real, injuries or no injuries. and he's only recently turned 30.

Saying our team was in a "massive decline" in 2006-07 is a bit of exaggeration. I've always maintained that Kaka was the biggest reason we won the CL, but you can't ignore the importance of Gattuso, Seedorf, Maldini, Inzaghi, Nesta, etc. that year.

In the end Kaka is one of the best of his era so it's a pointless argument. to me personally Iniesta is the better footballer.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Jul 24 2012, 12:53 PM

I agree with dst, Kaka at his prime > Iniesta at his prime, no doubt for me. But the problem is that Kaka's prime was shorten by injuries while Iniesta probably still has about 4-6 good years left.

I beg to differ, I have seen Kaka win us numerous games on his own, I have never seen Iniesta do the same for his teams. Note, I'm not talking about scoring the game winner, I'm talking about pushing your team and pulling off a win out of nothing when your team probably also did not deserve it. We've seen him do that and not just once or twice. Granted, Iniesta never had to actually do that but still... Kaka had to and delivered and I can judge only on what I've seen.

Not sure Iniesta will be able to maintain that level for another 4-6 years, he is a bit injury prone himself.

The injuries he had at Real pretty much took him out of the running once Ozil came into the picture.

As for 06/07, I think you're forgetting how terribly bad we were that season and even worse the one after it when we didn't even make the CL. We were fighting for 4th in the league that season we won the CL. We got slapped around by Inter in both derbies. Got humiliated by Roma. The team was just bad. Nesta was injured a lot that season as well. Pirlo was asleep for most of it and Seedorf only showed up for the CL games.

I think you're overlooking how bad we were in those seasons too much. Kaka literally won us a lot of the games we played in the CL.

Don't get me wrong, I think Iniesta is just out of this world. He's just an amazing all round footballer. But like I said, Kaka was such an explosive player in his prime, he was untouchable. Iniesta is a far more subtle operator.

You answered it yourself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Let me ask a question, if Iniesta was to become a Milan player right this season, would you doubt it that he'd drag this mediocre team and make them better? I think he would.

Kaka had to drag Milan mostly in his last two seasons with us and to an extent in 2006-07 CL. before that we had a pretty awesome team.

Some news from twitter:

Corriere Reports that Mourinho told Kaka "You are a reserve Player. Look for a new team"

GdS: Signing a defender is the priority for Milan. There is a run off between Rolando & Yanga-Mbiwa.

Milan have no intention of signing Kaka back at the moment as he's considered too expensive (wages), Gazzetta reports.

YANGA-MBIWA: "I'm still here with Montpellier, but with a question mark, you never know. There are offers that you just can't reject"

Corriere reported that Milan would wrap up the deal for Yanga Mbiwa in the next 48

Milan wants to spend 5-7m on a defender, 7m on a midfielder and 7m on a striker. [GdS]

Ariedo Braida reveals Inzaghi's future: "Pippo will be a coach of the youth team. 100%"

Some reports say we tried to loan Alexis Sanchez but Barca rejected the idea.

Primavera defender, Rodrigo Ely, has joined Reggina on a 1-year loan deal.

L'Equipe is linking Milan with a move for Arjen Robben for 20 million.

SANTON: "I don't want to return to Inter. Wearing Milan's shirt would be awesome because it's the team that I've rooted for since kid"

"Milan will remain Competitive" - Berlusconi

He did not have to so I can't know if he could do it.


I think he would not. He'd surely make us better but he's not that kind of player. He's great in a different kind of way.


Yeah I'm not saying he always had to do that just that this is something great he's done that Iniesta has not.

You were talking about Kaka and CL not league and I have clear memories of that season's CL. as I said Kaka was the biggest reason we won it but who can forget Seedorf's performance in Munich, for example?... without Kaka we would've never won the big ear but he didn't do it all by himself.

I like how you put it in the last paragraph, can't argue with the explosiveness bit. but that's also why Iniesta has been playing at this level for several years and will likely continue to do so for another 3-4 years at least, while Kaka's prime ended at 28.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Jul 24 2012, 01:35 PM