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Fillipo Simone
So, here we are. My wishes are reduced to the minimum: another fullback who can play on the right side, a world class midfielder or no midfielder at all and a whole new medical team. The last one should be mandatory innocent.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 1 2012, 12:33 PM) *
So, here we are. My wishes are reduced to the minimum: another fullback who can play on the right side, a world class midfielder or no midfielder at all and a whole new medical team. The last one should be mandatory innocent.gif

A right sided FB? huh.gif

Abate made a mistake against Inter and suddenly he needs to be replaced? He's one of the best FBs in the league, and this is reluctantly agreed upon by supporters of other teams. He's had a so so season so far as well as an injury which rarely happens to him. I think he's more than gained the confidence of the fans and coach.

I think we'll go all out for Monto and De Rosso in the summer, simply because they're free and that is what we can afford.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 1 2012, 02:20 PM) *
A right sided FB? huh.gif

Abate made a mistake against Inter and suddenly he needs to be replaced? He's one of the best FBs in the league, and this is reluctantly agreed upon by supporters of other teams. He's had a so so season so far as well as an injury which rarely happens to him. I think he's more than gained the confidence of the fans and coach.

I think we'll go all out for Monto and De Rosso in the summer, simply because they're free and that is what we can afford.

Yes, a right sided FB.

Firstly, we don't have a real backup for Abate; next season Zambrotta IMO will/should be used as a bonus, a veteran fullback for dire situations. But what's Abates real backup? Bonera?

Secondly, we've still got two left fullbacks plus Urbi and Taiwo if he returns. Since there ain't many promising leftbacks available, I don't see the point in piling up more average players.

Thirdly, it's not just the mistake Abate made. He made an impressive improvement in terms of defending, yet he still isn't that great. Against Barcelona he also shares some responsibility for the goal(s) we conceded. But, that's not what makes me nervous - it's the fact that Abate occupies the position of a offensive FB while in fact he's totally incapable of producing any assists, good shots or intelligent runs. All this fuss, all his running up and down comes mostly to nothing. His poor technique and his clumsy passing isn't helping as well.
KillerMax
I don't know about De Rosso han but that Roma vice-captain isn't bad! (OMG it's the acid virus!!) biggrin.gif

I think Galliani will do some nice deals in the summer. Teams like Man City, Real, Chelsea are always ripe with quality rejects ready to be rejuvenated. An attacking midfielder is a must. But maybe someone with different qualities than Kaka. Someone more powerful that Allegri can work with. Inter are having problems with Snejider. Maybe he can be an option. My ideal buys would be lesser known, but quality players who have the confidence part down. No more Gourcuffs and Merkels. I think Nuri Sahin would be a fan-f@cking-tastic acquisition. I think the Bundesliga is a great place to look for talent too. It's impressive that Bayern are not a selling club, but they are truly ripe with talent right now. Maybe look at other teams there. I'm also tired of seeing so many Brazilians come our way. I wanna see us mix it up a bit. Go for some Eastern European talents maybe.

I think we are good in the GK department. If not Abbiati, Amelia. Both great keepers any big team would lucky to have in this day and age were superstar keepers are on the brink of extinction.

In defense I wanna wait and see how Mesbah does in the LB department. But I think, between him and Emanuelson, we are decent enough. I want Antonini out. I would prefer to let Bonera go and buy a more solid CB that can slowly take the 3rd CB position from Mexes while he gradually replaces Nesta. I don't know if Nesta will renew, but I hope he does. He seems capable. I don't know if others agree, but I see Nesta as the last great defender. Costacurta, Maldini and him have been mystical to say the least. I don't think their techniques have been understood by other aspiring defenders around the world and they are at the brink of extinction too it seems. I view Baresi and Silva more in the same mold in that, determination and grit are their main arsenal against attackers rather than technique and, for a lack of a better term, mystical tactical understanding of the game.

In midfield... Oh dear. Where do I start? I want Ambrosini, Gattuso, Flamini, and Seedorf out. No apologies. Goddamn that's a bit scary but also exciting. So that will leave us with: (assuming we decide to keep Starsser, Merkel and Van Bommel)

Aquilani, Boateng, Emanuelson, Nocerino, Van Bommel, Merkel Starasser.

Very very thin.
My dream signings: Sahin, De Rossi (One can dream) and another couple of quality but lesser known players.

In attack, I would sell Pato and let Inzaghi retire or leave. I don't think we'll keep Maxi. That will leave us with: El Shaarawy, Cassano, Ibra and Robinho.

A possible fantastic signing could be Olivier Giroud of Montpellier.

I would also start a very serious task force to tackle the injury issues.

Here's my 12-13 formation:

Abbiati
Abate Nesta Silva Mesbah
De Rossi Nocerino
Boateng Sahin
Cassano
Ibrahimovic
d'Arc.LP
IF I were Galliani:

Out:
Roma - 0.5 mln / season
Gattuso - 4 mln / season
Seedorf - 3 mln / season
Zambrotta - 3.5 mln / season
Inzaghi - 0.8 mln / season
Yepes - 1mln / season

Maxi Lopez - 2.5 mln / season, we don't buy him in the end so we don't have to pay his wages

We save 15.3 mln from their wages

Renew:
Flamini - from 4.5 mln / season to 3 mln / season, otherwise he shouldn't get a new contract
Van Bommel - from 3.5 mln / season to 2.5 mln / season, otherwise he shouldn't get a new contract
Ambrosini - from 3.0 mln / season to 1.5 mln / season, one year contract after that to get retired
Nesta - from 2.5 mln / season to 1.5 mln / season, one year contract after that to get retired

We save 5 mln from the wage cuts of their wages

In total we save 20.3 mln from our players wages. Now, Berlusconi said that he usually invests 50 mln/season in Milan, but we all know that's not true. Last year, with new contracts for free transfered players, and the installment for Ibrahimovic and Boateng, we spent 30-35 mln, so I'm going to prejudice that we have around 25-30 mln for the summer.

So 20.3 mln (from wages) + 25-30 mln = 45.3 - 50.3 mln to invest in new players and contracts.

In:
Antonio Donnarumma GK - promote from primavera
Ricardo José Ferreira CB - promote from primavera
De Sciglio RB - promote from primavera, very promising and talented player
De Rossi for free - 8 mln / season
Montolivo for free - 4 mln / season
Aquilani full ownership 6 mln
Mario Balotelli for 20 mln - 6 mln/season
Mesbah for 2 mln

All this (also their wages) cost 44 mln, which is lower sum than 45.3 mln.

We would have a team like this:

1st team:

Abbiati
Abate - Mexes - Silva - Mesbah
Montolivo - De Rossi - Boateng
Robinho
Balotelli - Ibrahimovic


2nd team :

Amelia
De Sciglio - Nesta - Bonera - Taiwo
Flamini - Van Bommel - Nocerino
Aquilani
Pato - Cassano


Reserve Squad: Antonio Donnarumma, Ricardo José Ferreira, Antonini, Ambrosini, Emanuelson, Strasser, El Shaarawy and Kingsley Boateng.



KillerMax
Why on Earth Montolivo would be picked over Nocerino is beyond me. The guy is having a giant season with us and doesn't look like he is about to stop.
han2503
I don't think the mathematics behind it are that simple.

Also, there is no way we'd offer 6m to Aqui, he'd be on 3.5m maximum, if De Rossi comes in, I think 7m should be able to convince him. Monto also, 3m would be a great deal for him as he's not on a huge contract at Fiorentina
d'Arc.LP
Montolivo/Aquilani would start over Nocerino 'cos we need a creative midfielder in our starting formation. That was proven in lots of games this season, starting with the game against Juventus. Eitherway, Nocerino failed to impress against big teams (just as Aquilani did), and with all those midfielders I wouldn't choose Nocerino over Boateng or De Rossi.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 1 2012, 04:26 PM) *
I don't think the mathematics behind it are that simple.

Also, there is no way we'd offer 6m to Aqui, he'd be on 3.5m maximum, if De Rossi comes in, I think 7m should be able to convince him. Monto also, 3m would be a great deal for him as he's not on a huge contract at Fiorentina



Yes, but we'll have to pay Liverpool 6 mln after he plays for 25 games.
KillerMax
That was more due to him being used on the right than the left. IMO, Nocerino has been nothing short of impressive this season. Failed to impress? More like he didn't pull magic out of his @ss(which he did do to everyone's surprise in some other games) in games that we, as a team were playing poorly.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 1 2012, 04:35 PM) *
That was more due to him being used on the right than the left. IMO, Nocerino has been nothing short of impressive this season. Failed to impress? More like he didn't pull magic out of his @ss(which he did do to everyone's surprise in some other games) in games that we, as a team were playing poorly.


Yes, and that 'cos we were playing without a creative midfielder. I don't really have a problem with Nocerino, in fact, as all Milan fans, I like him and really appreciate what he has done for Milan this season, but it would a "race" between him and Boateng for that position. But again, Boateng "pulled magic out of his @***" against a big team like Barcelona, so I guess he wins.
KillerMax
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 1 2012, 09:44 AM) *
Boateng "pulled magic out of his @***" against a big team like Barcelona, so I guess he wins.


Basically we have been saved this season by Boateng, Nocerino and Ibra pulling magic out of their @sses. No wonder our performances stink.
han2503
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 1 2012, 05:09 PM) *
Basically we have been saved this season by Boateng, Nocerino and Ibra pulling magic out of their @sses. No wonder our performances stink.

This is what really worries me atm

Last season we performed more as a team, even with all the new players. Pato, Ibra, Robs, they all were our top scorers, not just Ibra.

And maybe not in the first part of the season because we did rely on Ibra so much, but in the second part, you could really see the collective working for the wins, so much so, that even when Ibra kept getting suspended and wasn't playing at his best we still blew teams like Inter, Juve, Napoli, etc out of the water.

This season, I'm just not seeing anything click. Even when the result looks great, it's mostly just a disjointed performance with isolated incidents that resulted in goals. And this is the reason why our results against the big teams have been terrible this season

Juve on the other hand, might not be great as individuals aside from a handful of players, but collectively, they do work better than us as a team, which is why they're yet to be beaten, and why I admire Conte's work so much
kurtsimonw
I'll go with what Fillipo says. I think Abate is good, but he needs a rest and isn't exactly a World class defender anyway. Maybe the competition would help push him. A real AM is a must, as is an entire new medical staff.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 1 2012, 05:24 PM) *
I'll go with what Fillipo says. I think Abate is good, but he needs a rest and isn't exactly a World class defender anyway. Maybe the competition would help push him. A real AM is a must, as is an entire new medical staff.

I agree with Filippo wanted a backup RB. Getting rid of Antonini on the left and replacing him with a RB would be a good move.

Abate is still very young, he's very determined, I believe that he'll be a great FB one day. Maybe not on the Maicon level but still a top RB, when there are very limited options in that department

As for a real AM, I don't think it's a must, simply because I don't believe that Allegri wants one. And will either adopt a 3-striker system (should Tevez join in the summer), or keep using Boateng there. He clearly has no intention of utilising an AM. I've never even seen any attacking mids linked to us in the media. We only seem to get linked with central mids, DMs and strikers.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 1 2012, 06:13 PM) *
Yes, a right sided FB.

Firstly, we don't have a real backup for Abate; next season Zambrotta IMO will/should be used as a bonus, a veteran fullback for dire situations. But what's Abates real backup? Bonera?

Secondly, we've still got two left fullbacks plus Urbi and Taiwo if he returns. Since there ain't many promising leftbacks available, I don't see the point in piling up more average players.

Thirdly, it's not just the mistake Abate made. He made an impressive improvement in terms of defending, yet he still isn't that great. Against Barcelona he also shares some responsibility for the goal(s) we conceded. But, that's not what makes me nervous - it's the fact that Abate occupies the position of a offensive FB while in fact he's totally incapable of producing any assists, good shots or intelligent runs. All this fuss, all his running up and down comes mostly to nothing. His poor technique and his clumsy passing isn't helping as well.

+1

I don't think, however, that his passing is that bad. and he doesn't need technique that much when he can get past opponents using his pace. it's that final touch i.e. his crosses, and god forbid, his shots on goal, that leaves me unimpressed.
il_diavolo_mtl
I think we can all agree that we need an improvement at AM, CDM, CB (depth), and overall depth in midfield.

AM

I think that management will push hard for Tevez in summer with some of the funds from Pato's possible sale. Management may also opt for Boatang playing there as a starter. I do honestly believe that El Sharaawy should be given a chance to compete for the role as is starting to grow into something most fans can get excited about.

Internal options: Boatang, El Sharaawy, Robinho, Cassano, Ibra, Seedorf, Merkel

Of these options i think robinho and El Sha should be the main options. SES, as i have wrote, is developing into a player that could offer pace, dribbling, vision, a good shot, and great technical ability. Having won a personal accolade at 19 for being Serie B's best player is no small feat, especially when many people consider Serie B to be the elite second division in europe. I personally rate merkel, but i would throw him at genoa if it meant us getting SES on full ownership.

Robinho, as i have been saying since we signed him is simply not a Serie A forward. he is arguably the most wasteful striker i have ever seen (taking into account all youth competitive setups i've been a part of). he is so useless in front of goal, as any else then a milan fan, i would surely piss myself watching his epic clumsiness. He does however, in a team of bronze statues, offer pace. were we a little more in tune with modern-day football, we would not need to keep him on account of him being 1 of the 3-4 people on the team who run on this team. I'm ALLLLL for selling him to a Malaga-type oil rich team wanting to fill the seats. Sadly, i do not see that happening, so i would then move him to AM as i want him comfortably away from the opposing net, while still attacking.

External options (it's nearly impossible to predict the state of the market in 5 months time, but i will ltry) Tevez, Martin, Belhandra, Eriksen...

I think we would all enjoy seeing tevez and Ibra with the ever-compatible genius of Cassano smile.gif . My personal choice would be Martin, he is oozing with class and after this summer, he will be outside of our price range. I heard on canal+ sport that we were pursuing him and although he is extremely talented, he lacks vision and tries to go 1v1 too often.
X-Offender
Just sign Eriksen while he still costs around the €20 million mark. If we wait a bit longer, the kid will be unreachable for us, as his price will overshoot.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 3 2012, 05:55 PM) *
Just sign Eriksen while he still costs around the €20 million mark. If we wait a bit longer, the kid will be unreachable for us, as his price will overshoot.

We'll most likely waste that money on Tevez, when we're already stocked to our necks in strikers

Just imagine this set-up for next season

1st team:
Abate--Mexes--Thiago--Mesbah
Aqui/Monto--DDR--Nocerino/Boa
Eriksen
Pato/Cass--Ibra


2nd team:

RB--Nesta--Yepes--Urby
Aqui/Monto--VB--Nocerino/Boa
Robinho/Boa
Maxi--Robinho/Cass


There would simply be no excuses for the league or the CL.

All that with just 3/4 signings, 2 of which would come for free, and one where, yes, we'd be forking out a considerable sum, but imo, it would be worth it. Far more than Tevez would
Fillipo Simone
Han, DDR is a dream, I really don't think Milan can sign him sad.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 3 2012, 11:17 PM) *
Han, DDR is a dream, I really don't think Milan can sign him sad.gif

DDR used to be a nightmare, now it's a dream? Time changes. tongue.gif

At least you will know what I mean. wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 3 2012, 10:17 PM) *
Han, DDR is a dream, I really don't think Milan can sign him sad.gif

He still hasn't signed a contract and we're in February.

Most Italian players find it hard to move to foreign countries, especially England due to the culture shock of such a move.

I think Galliani could convince him. With a proper contract and plan for the future, I think it would be do-able. He would be coming for free, so that would give us some lee-way in terms of numbers for his contract
Jack Bauer
QUOTE
There are reports Daniele De Rossi will sign his new Roma contract next week after turning down offers from Manchester United and City.

The midfielder is now able to agree a deal with another club to join on a free transfer in the summer, as his contract expires on June 30.

However, the Roma fan born and bred is still in advanced negotiations with the Giallorossi and Talksport claim he has already turned down proposals from both Manchester clubs.

According to the Gazzetta dello Sport this morning, the 28-year-old’s latest meeting with Roma directors went well and a new contract could be signed next week.

The deal is for a five-year contract worth €6m per season, plus performance-related bonuses.

There will also be a €10m buy-out clause, but it can only be activated a month before the end of the season.

http://www.football-italia.net/node/15363
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 3 2012, 10:38 PM) *
He still hasn't signed a contract and we're in February.

Most Italian players find it hard to move to foreign countries, especially England due to the culture shock of such a move.

I think Galliani could convince him. With a proper contract and plan for the future, I think it would be do-able. He would be coming for free, so that would give us some lee-way in terms of numbers for his contract

Problem is, I don't see Milan looking in his direction. Sure, maybe we're doing everything cloaked, but somehow I don't have the feeling it will happen. City seems to me a good option, but he'll stay with Roma if you ask me.
Zed.D
Yeah, IMO there's as much chance of us signing DDR as there was chance of signing Fabregas. it's one of those never-gonna-happen situations.
kurtsimonw
Forget backup RB. Get a first team RB please.
Zed.D
Will not happen before we sign 947563 more strikers.
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 11:00 AM) *
Forget backup RB. Get a first team RB please.

agreed, abate is dreadful of late
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 5 2012, 04:04 PM) *
Will not happen before we sign 947563 more strikers.

We obviously need more, especially Tevez rolleyes.gif
TriniKing_CE
Dear Adriano Galliani,

This summer will mark 3 years since we sold our most influential player at the time (despite him being on a debatable decline); further more he was our only real AM. In case you haven't figured it out as yet, I am speaking about Kaka.

So with that being said, please dust off your gold tie and get us a proper replacement in the upcoming months!

Sincerely,
A concerned fan
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acid911
Thanks for the nostalgia trip, Trinin! sad.gif cry.gif You can have as many Ibras in the team, none will be what Kaka was to this team. Inspirational both in the league and Europe, and more involved during games - what with him playing as a midfielder. No goal? No worries? Kaka will hand deliver one from the center of the ground.
Zed.D
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 5 2012, 08:32 PM) *
Dear Adriano Galliani,

This summer will mark 3 years since we sold our most influential player at the time (despite him being on a debatable decline); further more he was our only real AM. In case you haven't figured it out as yet, I am speaking about Kaka.

So with that being said, please dust off your gold tie and get us a proper replacement in the upcoming months!

Sincerely,
A concerned fan
.


Brian Birkin
Abate has never in Milan used a style like Cafu or Serginho where he takes a shot position, but he did before he came.
albanche
Yesterday Raiola launched a statement that there were many offers coming for Ibra and he did not rule out Real Madrid transfer. So, obviously selling Ibra would make a large gap to our Ibra-reliance team. Having in mind that Tevez would possibly come after Ibra's leaving then our attacking dept would more than anything adaptable and play a more flowing football to what we have seen so far. I want Ibra's leaving at first stance, anyone saw last match with Napoli how less he sacrifices for the team and just cant perform to what Milan really expects from him, he is just not OUR material. period.
d'Arc.LP
Raiola: "In June I'll bring a striker to Milan. Ibrahimovic remains at Milan."

cookie.gif Please, let him be Balotelli !
rip
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 6 2012, 10:29 AM) *
Raiola: "In June I'll bring a striker to Milan. Ibrahimovic remains at Milan."

cookie.gif Please, let him be Balotelli !


we will have two world class strikers, but both will be unavailable due to suspensions tongue.gif
Brian Birkin
"I'll"? Galliani handles the deals, he is an agent. Regardless, I wish Il Faraone will have his place.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Brian Birkin @ Feb 6 2012, 01:34 PM) *
"I'll"? Galliani handles the deals, he is an agent. Regardless, I wish Il Faraone will have his place.


He's connected with Milan (I also heard that we hired him as transfer advisor) and like he brough Ibra to us, he can bring Balotelli too.
il_diavolo_mtl
Let's first sell Robinho for a sandwich, then we can talk about about signing another forward...
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 6 2012, 02:41 PM) *
He's connected with Milan (I also heard that we hired him as transfer advisor) and like he brough Ibra to us, he can bring Balotelli too.

Where did you hear that?

It could easily be true, but I don't like the sound of it. sad.gif
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 6 2012, 02:30 PM) *
Where did you hear that?

It could easily be true, but I don't like the sound of it. sad.gif


I read that on twitter, since December 2010.
d'Arc.LP
Montolivo signs a 4 year contract (with the option for another year) for Milan. He will recieve 2.5 million/season.

source: http://acmilan-shqip.org/sq/lajme/montoliv...arrihet-akordi/
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 6 2012, 05:11 PM) *
Montolivo signs a 4 year contract (with the option for another year) for Milan. He will recieve 2.5 million/season.

source: http://acmilan-shqip.org/sq/lajme/montoliv...arrihet-akordi/

2.5 m/s ? Nice, that's similar to Aquilani smile.gif
han2503
I wonder why we wasted time on bringing an unavailable and terrible Muntari. We're in a crises situation and Monto was offered on a plate for us. What do we do, we wait to sign him for free and bring in someone who can't even play while we have injuries in the midfield. Such a nuckle head move by Galliani
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2012, 04:23 PM) *
I wonder why we wasted time on bringing an unavailable and terrible Muntari. We're in a crises situation and Monto was offered on a plate for us. What do we do, we wait to sign him for free and bring in someone who can't even play while we have injuries in the midfield. Such a nuckle head move by Galliani

well we make moves like 500k or 1M so am not surpirsed we are looking for free tasnfer rather than spendingn 1-2million in winter... we are cheap it is simple as that... wont spend a penny if there is a slightest chance of a cheaper option..
Brian Birkin
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 6 2012, 01:41 PM) *
He's connected with Milan (I also heard that we hired him as transfer advisor) and like he brough Ibra to us, he can bring Balotelli too.


"heard". Put a direct source on that one.

Raiola is a professional money talker, just like Ibra, not a truth assessment.

If we want Mario, City will demand money, and Galliani does not fork out money.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2012, 08:23 PM) *
I wonder why we wasted time on bringing an unavailable and terrible Muntari. We're in a crises situation and Monto was offered on a plate for us. What do we do, we wait to sign him for free and bring in someone who can't even play while we have injuries in the midfield. Such a nuckle head move by Galliani

Because we are broke and trying to save every penny. That's exactly what I told you in the winter transfer thread- we brought Muntari just because we are paying absolutely nothing for him (loan + no wage). And certainly not because Allegri wanted Muntari bullshit.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE
According to whispers in Tuscany, Milan have agreed personal terms with Riccardo Montolivo of Fiorentina.

The Italian international will leave the Viola at the end of the season on a free transfer once his contract expires.

A move to Milan has been touted for months and, according to Lady Radio, an agreement has been reached.

Montolivo, who is now free to talk to other clubs, will reportedly sign a four-year deal at the Stadio Giuseppe Meazza. There will be an option for a fifth campaign.

The former Atalanta player will allegedly net at least €2.5m a season after tax, but bonuses could see that figure rise.

http://www.football-italia.net/node/15435
Fillipo Simone
According to whispers in Tuscany...sounds like the island from "Lost" tongue.gif
Zed.D
^^ biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

QUOTE
Montolivo, who is now free to talk to other clubs, will reportedly sign a four-year deal at the Stadio Giuseppe Meazza.

I hate it when they use that name when they're reporting something about Milan. can't they understand it's the San Siro for us?
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