It is amazing indeed. So damn awesome is he.

haha we just named 5 players that arent born in germany.

whos the one that doesbnt know what his talking about? LMAO

I said most, not all, you ... *not worth it*

Like I said, then how come G. Rossi is playing for Italy. Or why should Balotelli choose which country to play for if it's that simple?

Far out example:
So if you're born and raised on a boat because your parents are sailors on remote seas that makes the boat your nationality even if your parent are for example Chinese? That's a very close minded theory

That's a ridicilous attempt to prove your point.

Rossi is American right? I never said someone like that can't be also -in this case- Italian.

Wow, you're saying that based on what? they're Germany, with or without foreigners they would have made it out of the group stage as they have in the last..15 world cups!!!



The bolded names were all born in Germany. you can't say that about them, they haven't been poached - it's simply their right and choice if they are playing for Germany. hell, they're completely German according to Kurt's definitions!

EDIT: Oops, didn't see Fishdoll's post

David Villa is lucky to have Xavi and Ineista, now when they finshed serving Messi in Barcelona.

But it's not like they've been 'poached' either you know I'm on your side when it comes to this nationality thing - I think they're all non-Germans. but it's not nice when you guys repeat this term like they've been stolen or something. it's their choice and we have to respect that!

Wow, I wasn't expecting a slaughterfest like this in a million years. And I couldn't be happier because we'll be free of Maradona's substance-induced claptrap for awhile.

The 2010 All-DUD team just welcomed its fourth member (Messi) to keep Rooney, Kaka and CRonaldo company.

It's not ridiculous, it's what you're saying

According to you Rossi is American, thus should play for his country the US not Italy. And Balotelli should play for Italy just because he's born and raised there regardless of the fact that both his parents aren't Italian


Well we all know how flawed those definitions are

And you were one who didn't agree with him IIRC so what's the point of this?

Like I said, those players had the choice, most of them have 1 parent who is not from Germany. At the end of the day they do have the choice.

Amauri is a completely different case compared to all German NT players, except for Cacau.

Amauri isn't born nor grown up in Italy, not even Italian family, I think? HUGE DIFFERENCE. He would indeed be a case just getting a passport... but those German NT players are Germans because they are really Germans, not because of playing for NT. They already were German before they know they can play proper football.

see the thing is this isnt a few players in question, this is quite lietrally half the fcking team were talking about!!

and as we both know theres two sides to the debate the whole ancestry vs. where you were physically born defines your nationality blah blah point is theres nearly a dozen players that overstep BOTH criteria. whether u argue one way or another it's quite pathetic IMO this may be germanys team but it's not exactly german

I hope Germany wins the competion , how can people call some of the German players non Germans that is in my opinion utterly ignorant if they have a passport from Germany and they reside in Germany they are GERMANS enough of the ignorance on this forum please you just sound ignorant and stupid

FORZA GERMANY - This is comming from an Englishman

I just think that most of them make the obvious choice. Germany will most probably gaurantee them national football success at one point while for example Turkey does not.

Someone like Cacau on the other hand knows he has no chance in hell to get into the Brazil NT so he chose Germany.

They have good reasons for both choices.

Amauri was just another observation from me. While you chose to ignore the Balotelli and Rossi situation which are identical to most of the German players

+100

Trochowski's grandparents - all 4 of them - were born German citizens. But the borders were moved in 1945 and they chose to stay in what then became Poland.

Klose, Podolski, and Marin were all toddlers when their parents emigrated to Germany. I dont' know about you guys but I'd probably want to avoid bringing a kid up during martial law or during the dissolution of the former Yugoslavia.

Ozil, Khedira, et al - they were born there, went through the youth system at club and national level, I don't see why you guys have such a massive problem with them playing there.

It smacks of jealousy.

It was just another ridicilous attempt to prove your point.

If being (born and) raised doesn't make you a part of that country, what else will?

That's even more ignorant. We're not even talking about the passports. But ancestry vs birth country. So Kaka is Italian according to you since he has an Italian passport. And all the other south American/African players who have European passports what does that make them.

The passport is a piece of paper is does not define your nationality

It's nothing else. It's just J-E-A-L-O-U-S-Y, and it's rather pathetic.

As I said a few posts earlier, I don't think they're German by blood (because they're not!). but they were born in Germany, had the chance to represent that country and took it. no one can say they didn't have that right.

And again, Germany are a great country when it comes to football. they would have done good without those players in question anyways. it's not like they've suddenly become a footballing force.

and so if trochowski payed for poland he would be a german playing for poland?? lol

and last time i checked bosnia, croatia, serbia, etc all have national teams? lollll

Can't we just shut the hell up and talk about the game? Jiminy Christmas.

What does jealousy have to do with anything, we've discussed this issue millions of times, with the Germans not coming into it. But from all the teams left, they're the only ones that have all these players that have parents from different countries which again raises the debate.

AAs long as Italy don't meet the Germans in a competition then I don't really have any problems with them. They're not a favourite of mine I'll admit that but jealosy is not the reason

Haven't we discussed this over and over again?

And Amauri is another situation where nationality in football terms is blurred due to a passport

I'm just not going to continue with this silly and pointless debate. All this nitpicking and silly argumentation over national affiliation is getting ugly and I want no more part of it. Continue on if you wish but it'll be without me.

I hope you see the difference between Amauri+Cacau and all other German NT players....

Because that sentence makes sense for those 2 but NOT the others.

+1

The game was too awesome to ridicule it to such an extent.

I wish we could.

You can't be serious your using Kaka' as an example lol and excuse me then what does define your nationality lanuage , race ?? i think you would prefer the latter

and all this talk smells of Nationalism.

im out of this conversation ive said my part on what i think of it expressed my views ciao

hey buddy u can go ahead and make ur stupid assumptions besides the fact its none of you B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S.

of course i'm not happy they're doing well, i'm an azzurri fan. germans when its comes to football are my enemies but hey i can admit when they're doing well.

but when half the bloody team could be playing for other nations it bring questions to mind, i dont care if you think every single one should be playing for germany, the point is all these players we brought up have the right to play for other nations LOL which is IMO patheticccc

but u know what? who gives a ****? has amauri ever played for italy? is he scoring important goals at a major tournament.

Of course I do!!!

We're really going to keep going around in circle with this as our definition of what defines ones nationality obviously differs.

I like zeddie think the players at the end of the day have a choice and we should respect it. But to me they're not Germans just because they're born and raised there. Simple

It's what you're saying! You said that they have a German passport, thus they're German. Same thing with Kaka and all the other players who have passports that they apply for when they work in another country

What makes one's nationality? Heritage, ancestry, etc. Not a piece of paper

do you really think the German immigration are just going to hand over passports to players just to play in the national team?? come on get real.
if they have resided in the country long enough to get a german passport just like in the rest of europe then why can't they play for there newley adopted nation.
but if they have already played for another country then no i think they shouldnt be able to switch teams. I remember Zidane tried out for the Algerian national team and did'nt get in.....i wonder who lost out there!

voila

So in your opinion I am as much German as I am Dutch? (I got a Dutch parent, and a German parent, being born and raised in The Netherlands, and having no German nationality/passport)

Yaaaaay (I love Germany)

Spain - Paraguay...any comments? Or should we now check the Paraguayan blood cells as well?

Spain will win easily I expect...

Villa with another goal or goalSSSsss?

Nah, I'll be back later when all this nationality pratter has died down. It's kind of sucked the wind out of the thread for the time being.

I almost forgot to say that I love Thomas Müller...... isn't he just super super super awesome?

This fish's German friend Wauzi the stuffed dog hearts on Muller.

He sure doesn't play like a 20 year old.

I wasn't being serious, which is why I did the wink thing at the end. It was more to do with me making a comment and somebody accusing it of being homophobic because I didn't use the word 'gay' in a which pleased them, then a mod gets involved. I accuse someone of being racist? Meh, who cares, I'm only English.



Yeah, Germany seem to hit panic button not only when they're losing, but when they conceed. They go behind to Serbia and lose all confidence. It took a horrible decision to save them against England, at that rate it would have been 3-2 to us before HT, they were really shaky over simply conceeding a goal.



Jealousy. Hardly. I've already made my opinion on the matter very clear. I don't want foreigners playing for this country, I was very annoyed when Hargreaves name was even mentioned for England.

Podolski doesn't have a parent from Germany, nor was he born there. He lived there, so what? I 'lived' in America, that doesnt make me American.


Rossi was neither born or raised in Italy.


It's stupid isn't it.

As for the 'nationalist' comment. God help you.

Now you're switching this in to a concpiracy about the german immegration when no one said anything about that. You said and I quote, that having a german passport makes you german. That's what you said. When we're not even talking about passports. You're making this a passport issue when it's not. Then by your definition Amouri is Italian since he has an Italian passport and has lived in Italy long enough. Since that is your criteria of what makes one's nationality.

Zidane is another thing. The French NT is just as mixed as the German NT. We could debate about them since no one would accuse people of being jealous of that circuis


At the end of the day it's what you feel closest to. Now lets say your Dutch parent isn't Ducth but I don't know... Chinese, and you're born and raised there. And you're a pro footballer. It's time to choose your natonal team. Carreer wise I think you'd choose Germany even though you concider youself Chinese, not German. I'm just giving an example. As I do think that some of these players think about their carreer mostly when they make this decision

But technically yes, in that case you're half German

Fishdoll, I don't understand something here.

Trochowski was born outside of what today is known as Germany but his ancestors were German citizens so you think he has every right to play for Germany and everyone who disagrees is jealous. okay!

Problem is Zarate like Troch, was born outside of Italy but his mother is Italian (or of Italian descent depending on the source). his case is similar to Troch's, technically he too has every right to play for Italy if he wants to (and Cesare has opened the door for oriundi), but you don't want him anywhere near Azzurri.

Could you please explain to me what's the difference here and why you treat these two cases differently?




Definitely Spain.

And that's the sad thing.

No idea why everybody is getting so defensive about Germany. We say this kind of thing about France all the time, but we say it about Germany and we're jealous apparently. Yeah. Okay.

Agreed

I also don't get how this arguement even started.

I merely stated that Germany have players that are Polish or other. So Tennie, Ryan, whoever else.. are you saying that Klose and Podolski are NOT Polish? Are you saying that Ozil is in no way Turkish? You're just contradicting yourself here because every reason you give to say they're German, it can can also be applied to their other nationality, so what the **** are you arguing about when I'm merely stating a fact?

well im just going to have to disagree with you entirely. moving on to the next match