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dst
QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 13 2008, 02:47 PM) *
Who cares about class? I care about Milan winning. Not getting humiliated by Chelsea, Bologna, Lugano, etc. Where's the class at the of the day?

So all that matters is winning no matter what? I beg to differ.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 13 2008, 03:04 PM) *
Which he is. biggrin.gif I still can't believe how terming him as the third best player still isn't enough for people. Out of what millions. You have to consider his terrible form for Portugal, as well as his chocking against big teams, and against quality oppositions from other leagues. He does comparatively well against less talented players, and don't get me started on his diving, crying, acting abilities.

I still think if you make the list of the World's Best XI, then all eleven players are the absolute best in the world. cool.gif Its another matter entirely fans start ranking them to decide on the absolute best. Which most do for Christiano, forgetting the fact that he harps every other week about how he's the best in the world, and Ferguson chimes in. For me? He's a gem of a player, but not the number one in the world. That's where the overratedness (is this even a word?) starts. Our point of difference.

My $0.02.

It isn't enough for some people because he isn't the 3rd best player, I've never seen anyone that good before, what he did last season was almost video game like. I don't think he plays that badly for Portugal, I don't see enough games to have a completely valid opinion but he's by no means bad. This choking against big teams is a misconception as well, I'm not sure what he has to do to try and convince people otherwise. You'd have thought scoring in a European Cup Final against a top team would have shown otherwise, he also has very good records vs the likes of Arsenal in the league too.

Eusebio was talking to SSN and says he believes Ronaldo is a better player than he ever was, I personally can't say since I haven't seen too much of him. But he's 23.. he's made over 50 caps for a very good country, he scored over 40 goals in one season, he won the league and the European Cup, as well as being the top scorer in the EPL, Champions League and all throughout Europe. In my opinion, from anything I've ever seen, Cristiano Ronaldo's 07/08 season is the best single season by any player, ever.
acid911
QUOTE (dst @ Sep 13 2008, 07:09 PM) *
It's not wrong but like acid said, it suits them fine...

Exactly. They may as well have gotten .fm, .xxx, .kids, .mail, .gal names and it would have suited them fine too. tongue.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 13 2008, 03:04 PM) *
Which he is. biggrin.gif I still can't believe how terming him as the third best player still isn't enough for people. Out of what millions. You have to consider his terrible form for Portugal, as well as his chocking against big teams, and against quality oppositions from other leagues. He does comparatively well against less talented players, and don't get me started on his diving, crying, acting abilities.

I still think if you make the list of the World's Best XI, then all eleven players are the absolute best in the world. cool.gif Its another matter entirely fans start ranking them to decide on the absolute best. Which most do for Christiano, forgetting the fact that he harps every other week about how he's the best in the world, and Ferguson chimes in. For me? He's a gem of a player, but not the number one in the world. That's where the overratedness (is this even a word?) starts. Our point of difference.

My $0.02.

Choking against big teams, he scored and was effective in the CL final bar the penalty miss but if that's held against him then football really is a sad game. I mean Kaka didn't really do much in the final against Liverpool really did he?

His diving? So Messi doesn't go down everytime when he's anywhere near the penalty box and has a little paddy when he doesn't get it. Man I watched him in the Olympics final and he went down about 3 times in the box in the first half an hour. I've seen him a number of times and whenever he gets muscled off the ball fairly he goes down like he's been shot. As does Ronaldo, yes but he's not so bad as he used to be and to use that as a downgrader doesn't really work because Messi does it just as bad.

I'm pretty sure in the Euro's he was crying because he wanted to win it for his country so bad, yeah what an arrogant idiot... He couldn't win though, if he walked off the pitch showing no emotion everyone would just accuse him of not wanting to play for Portugal...

I guarantee if Messi was playing for United and Ronaldo for Barca and I tried to stand up for Messi everyone would be saying to me 'are you stupid this guy won the league and the CL nearly single-handedly for his club and scored 40 goals in a season'... I guess that's playing in the unglamorous, unfashionable English league for you rolleyes.gif
Tennie
Without meaning to open up a big can of worms here, I'm not sure that Cristiano Ronaldo would have scored quite so many goals if he were playing in Spain or Italy where the style of play is different. He CAN be marked out of games but the style of defending in the English league is different than what one sees on the continent.

Is he a very good player? Yep. Best in the world last year? Probably. Do I despise him for his attitude? You got it. smile.gif
dst
I think it's a bit silly to say that one is better than the other. Sure, you can compare the season every player has had with each other's but you can't calculate their qualities this way (or any other way in my view)... CR is not the best player in the world because he had a great season just like he won't be crap when he's going to have a crap season... was he the top performer last season? Surely yeah! He's among the elite but being the best is gratuitous.
Portman
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 13 2008, 03:09 PM) *
Yes, your opinions are never right. Including that PS note.

And who the f are you?
Where the hell did you come out from?

Respect other opinions, you muppett.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 13 2008, 02:30 PM) *
And who the f are you?
Where the hell did you come out from?

Respect other opinions, you muppett.


You have some serious issues with respect, and that post was no different.

Personally I'm sick and tired of your snappy responses. It seems to me you cheer on Man City more than you do Milan.
Portman
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 03:18 PM) *
Choking against big teams, he scored and was effective in the CL final bar the penalty miss but if that's held against him then football really is a sad game. I mean Kaka didn't really do much in the final against Liverpool really did he?

His diving? So Messi doesn't go down everytime when he's anywhere near the penalty box and has a little paddy when he doesn't get it. Man I watched him in the Olympics final and he went down about 3 times in the box in the first half an hour. I've seen him a number of times and whenever he gets muscled off the ball fairly he goes down like he's been shot. As does Ronaldo, yes but he's not so bad as he used to be and to use that as a downgrader doesn't really work because Messi does it just as bad.

I'm pretty sure in the Euro's he was crying because he wanted to win it for his country so bad, yeah what an arrogant idiot... He couldn't win though, if he walked off the pitch showing no emotion everyone would just accuse him of not wanting to play for Portugal...

I guarantee if Messi was playing for United and Ronaldo for Barca and I tried to stand up for Messi everyone would be saying to me 'are you stupid this guy won the league and the CL nearly single-handedly for his club and scored 40 goals in a season'... I guess that's playing in the unglamorous, unfashionable English league for you rolleyes.gif


Top post.
Portman
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 13 2008, 03:32 PM) *
Personally I'm sick and tired of your snappy responses.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 13 2008, 03:34 PM) *
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.


I'm not going anywhere.
kurtsimonw
I do tend to find it's the usual excuses when it comes to somebody doing well in the EPL, it's often to do with our defenders. It doesn't really matter what league he plays in, in my opinion. Okay, he probably wouldn't score 42 goals again, he won't in any league again, but the guy has everything. Is he quick? Very. Can he pass? Very good range and accuracy. Can he cross? Definitly. Can he head a ball? Very well. He can take corners, superb with free kicks and penalties.. He is the best around at the moment for me.

I just find it a little annoying sometimes how when a very unlikeable player is the best around, people start saying you can't really compare him to others as they play in a different league, etc. But if it was a Milan player, well, when it was Kaka', he was getting all the plaudits.

I dislike Ronaldo for Man U, I dislike Ronaldo for Portugal. I dislike United and dislike the Portugese NT. So there is very little I like about this guy, but I'm still fine with saying he's the best.
kurtsimonw
Newcastle 0-1 Hull.. laugh.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 13 2008, 03:32 PM) *
You have some serious issues with respect, and that post was no different.

Personally I'm sick and tired of your snappy responses. It seems to me you cheer on Man City more than you do Milan.

So now you edit the posts à la "cnut way". Not surprised.

You didn't know I am a City fan? kurt and Brill know it. I'm a die-hard citizen. In fact I told that to Brill back in 2005.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 13 2008, 03:45 PM) *
So now you edit the posts à la "cnut way". Not surprised.

You didn't know I am a City fan? kurt and Brill know it. I'm a die-hard citizen. In fact I told that to Brill back in 2005.


I edited that post just after I made it. You had more than enough time to see it.

If you want go to a Man City forum.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 13 2008, 03:39 PM) *
I just find it a little annoying sometimes how when a very unlikeable player is the best around, people start saying you can't really compare him to others as they play in a different league, etc. But if it was a Milan player, well, when it was Kaka', he was getting all the plaudits.

Of course it's called a biased opinion.

I'm trying not to be biased I don't support United, I'm not Portuguese, I'm from England and see him play a lot and think damn this lads special but why shouldn't I?! I suppose because I'm English I'm blinded from the media, yeah that's right the media that anyone not from England on this board doesn't actually read laugh.gif laugh.gif

However, when there were the likes of Zidane, Figo I thought the same, quality quality players. Especially Zidane I thought he was sensational and easily better than anyone in the EPL. If CR was doing this in some other league like the Spanish or Italian I'd join the 90% of Milanfan that think he's 'rubbish' 'overrated' 'mediocre' 'but Messi's better' because he's in England, and agree with them that he is quality and currently the #1 cool.gif

This does relate to the EPL.
Tennie
(Please stop bickering. This is the EPL thread. Discuss EPL stuff here please).
Portman
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 13 2008, 03:49 PM) *
If you want go to a Man City forum.

I'm going nowhere.
I'm here for 3 years now, and I'm sure I'll be on the next 3.

No worries.
Tennie
(Ash, I do reguarly read both BBC and usually either Guardian or Times. I just don't particularly like the English league).
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 03:50 PM) *
the media that anyone not from England on this board doesn't actually read laugh.gif laugh.gif

I was just looking over the headlines on SkySports.com in their archives.. I'm not really sure what this idea of "English players gets hype" actually comes from. None of their headlines or articles ever suggest some average player is great or anything, a very odd myth that one.

Anyways, half time scores from this afternoons games:
Blackburn R. 0 - 2 Arsenal
Fulham 2 - 0 Bolton
Newcastle 0 - 1 Hull laugh.gif
Portsmouth 0 - 1 Middlesbrough
West Brom 2 - 2 West Ham
Wigan Athletic 0 - 1 Sunderland
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 13 2008, 05:52 PM) *
I'm going nowhere.
I'm here for 3 years now, and I'm sure I'll be on the next 3.

No worries.


He ain't leaving king.gif

He changed his nickname three times already and he is still going strong .. Forza Portugal cool.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
Kurt, it's a thing that's there to play our league down I'm sure of it. I suppose no one cared about us a decade ago, now that our teams are starting to dominate Europe again we are hated. A bit like the whole thing with Ronaldo, anyway where's Ricky (Warchant) he should be supporting me on this...

QUOTE (Warchant @ Oct 24 2005, 01:01 AM) *
Username: Warchant
Team Supported: AC Milan, DC United, Manchester United
Favourite Player: Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo
Tennie
So...Hull lead Newcastle. That's...pretty bad, isn't it?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 04:02 PM) *
anyway where's Ricky (Warchant) he should be supporting me on this...

I thought he supported that Kansas City team. unsure.gif But United.. dry.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 07:50 PM) *
the media that anyone not from England on this board doesn't actually read

Not your best effort, Ash. wink.gif I can say not anyone actually reads Pakistani media, and that might be a bit of a valid statement. But I'm sure you'll find that there are many people who read British sites, magazines and even papers every once in a while.

That's what creates the difference. How can you, Kurt and other English members of this place decide on what's biased when you're living in UK yourself? rolleyes.gif I was watching a Top Gear episode in which they said the best three cars in the world were all British. And everyone agreed. That was just about the funnies thing I heard in my 23 years on this planet. One good season makes CR the best ever. We'll continue this discussion when he goes to Madrid next season. Then he'll be just another diving Portuguese cnut, and depending on how he fares, overrated or not. We'll see then.

You, like everyone have your opinion and I respect that. smile.gif While not necessarily agreeing with it.
Tennie
As regards media coverage, one source of my annoyance is with Fox Soccer (fox being owned by Sky). It's pretty much all EPL (though they do show, for example 4 Serie A games as well as Argentine league games). The newsreaders spend 60-70% of the news broadcasts talking about the EPL or Championship. The bits of news they get in about the rest of the world aren't particularly accurate (or are 3-4 days old and out of date and almost always negative regarding Italy or Serie A except for Jose Mourinho). So while the English media may not be shoving down the dominance (and I'm not sure that the EPL can be said to be dominating just yet) of the English league, the American media certainly is.

My preference is Serie A, then Germany, then Spain, then England. Maybe I'm just a freak. smile.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 13 2008, 04:02 PM) *
So...Hull lead Newcastle. That's...pretty bad, isn't it?

Specially in St. James Park.
Tennie
Mike Ashley's day just got worse. Goal by Marlon King and Hull's up two.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 13 2008, 04:02 PM) *
So...Hull lead Newcastle. That's...pretty bad, isn't it?

Hull lost at home to Wigan 5-0 in their last game, that says it all really..

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 13 2008, 04:06 PM) *
Not your best effort, Ash. wink.gif I can say not anyone actually reads Pakistani media, and that might be a bit of a valid statement. But I'm sure you'll find that there are many people who read British sites, magazines and even papers every once in a while.

That's what creates the difference. How can you, Kurt and other English members of this place decide on what's biased when you're living in UK yourself? rolleyes.gif I was watching a Top Gear episode in which they said the best three cars in the world were all British. And everyone agreed. That was just about the funnies thing I heard in my 23 years on this planet. One good season makes CR the best ever. We'll continue this discussion when he goes to Madrid next season. Then he'll be just another diving Portuguese cnut, and depending on how he fares, overrated or not. We'll see then.

You, like everyone have your opinion and I respect that. smile.gif While not necessarily agreeing with it.

I think there's a difference between football and cars. You can only bi biased towards something when you like it/are a fan of it, and the reverse for being biased against something. I HATE United, the same goes for Ronaldo, so to say we're biased TOWARDS a Portugese player.. I just don't see where the bias in that is. He's not even English, he Fd over England at the World Cup, there are very few people I dislike more than he.

Problem is people will read an article by one of our journo's saying Ronaldo is the best in the World and they'll label it hype for the player, making him over-rated, when it really isn't the case. I personally Don't see where the reputation our media has comes from. A few of our writers said England would win World Cup 2006, does that mean they're hyping us up? Of course not, that's like somebody saying England won't win World Cup 2006 means they're saying we're crap.. the World doesn't work that way.

The way football is, people often hate what is best. Currently the EPL is on top, and United are at the top of that, then Ronaldo is at the very peak of all of football right now, that's why he's so hated by everyone, in my opinion That and his attitude of course.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 13 2008, 04:13 PM) *
Mike Ashley's day just got worse. Goal by Marlon King and Hull's up two.


Wow. And how many did Hull lose by against Wigan? LOL. This is a sad day for Newcastle.

Good for Hull though because they need to bounce back in order to survive in the Premier League. Or they could end up like another Derby county.
kurtsimonw
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif @ Newcastle.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 13 2008, 04:06 PM) *
Not your best effort, Ash. wink.gif I can say not anyone actually reads Pakistani media, and that might be a bit of a valid statement. But I'm sure you'll find that there are many people who read British sites, magazines and even papers every once in a while.

That's what creates the difference. How can you, Kurt and other English members of this place decide on what's biased when you're living in UK yourself? rolleyes.gif I was watching a Top Gear episode in which they said the best three cars in the world were all British. And everyone agreed. That was just about the funnies thing I heard in my 23 years on this planet. One good season makes CR the best ever. We'll continue this discussion when he goes to Madrid next season. Then he'll be just another diving Portuguese cnut, and depending on how he fares, overrated or not. We'll see then.

British sites are rubbish though, that's just someone casting their opinion, I could say Torquay United are the best in the world, there we go that's English media... I just don't see how foreigners can lambast our own media when they don't live here. It's a bit arrogant in my mind it's like me saying American Media is rubbish, it might be, it probably isn't but then Tennie to come back and say no it isn't but then for me to say yeah it is. I mean someone living in the country to have an opinion or someone out of the country to think they know you're country better than you do...

Top Gear, I'm slightly impressed but if you got the irony of that show they are like that but they do it in jest half the time, I mean this is the show that can break £100,000 brand new cars. This is Jeremy Clarkson as well becoming somewhat of a legend for his eccentricity not his knowledge.

The only time I've mentioned biased is with Kaka, yes everyone on this board was saying hands down how he was the best which he was the season before last. Yet with Ronaldo oh he wouldn't do that in any other league I could easily say that about Kaka and to the ones who say about United, true but then Ronaldo did the same with Roma...

About Madrid, I won't think that at all I'm not arrogant enough to believe anyone who plays in a certain league is overrated. I don't even think Messi's overrated I just think Ronaldo had the better season and the stats back up my point.
Tennie
(The fish doll is a big fan of Top Gear. Odd show with some amusing presenters, but generally very entertaining to watch.)
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 13 2008, 07:15 PM) *
In my opinion, from anything I've ever seen, Cristiano Ronaldo's 07/08 season is the best single season by any player, ever.

Then maybe you haven't seen enough, Kurt. rolleyes.gif Christiano plays in the 'best league in the world' with the best team and dozens of world class players. One can say he single-handidly won Manchester everything. But the best individual effort I've seen from one player in a season while playing with not-so-great teams was the original Ronaldo in the 90s.

QUOTE
PSV
After being scouted by Piet de Visser, he was soon transferred for US$6 million to PSV Eindhoven, where he scored 42 goals in 46 league games and reached a total of 55 goals in 57 official appearances.

Barcelona
Later he attracted the attention of FC Barcelona. He played for Barça in the 1996-97 season, scoring 47 in 49 (including appearances in the Copa del Rey and European Cup Winners Cup) on the way to leading the Catalan side to UEFA Cup Winners' Cup triumph (where he capped the season with the winning goal in the cup final itself).

As of 2006, Ronaldo is the last player to score more than 30 goals in one season in the Spanish La Liga
Habitant
^^ @ kaka's brilliant ronaldo's the best in the world we all know. problem is for those you dont agree witht hat, they dont really ahve any other options to pick from (messi, torres, and thats about it) but in the end it's more a campaign against ronaldo than a campaign for messi or torres. myself i hate united but i'm not ashamed to say he's currently the best, overrated or not no one comes to close to him right now.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 13 2008, 04:17 PM) *
But the best individual effort I've seen from one player in a season while playing with not-so-great teams was the original Ronaldo in the 90s.

What the hell, so we're taking a Back To The Future time traveling escapade now.

I'm talking about now not 10 years ago...

There's been players in the past that I believe are better than Ronaldo, I've never said he's the best ever.
acid911
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 08:21 PM) *
There's been players in the past that I believe are better than Ronaldo, I've never said he's the best ever.

I was quoting Kurt. wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 13 2008, 04:17 PM) *
Then maybe you haven't seen enough, Kurt. rolleyes.gif Christiano plays in the 'best league in the world' with the best team and dozens of world class players. One can say he single-handidly won Manchester everything. But the best individual effort I've seen from one player in a season while playing with not-so-great teams was the original Ronaldo in the 90s.

Nobody has seen enough. It's impossible to have.

The thing is, people like to have it both ways. To play down Ronaldo they'll say he played in a great team. But apparently Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick and Hargreaves are all over-rated, Fletcher, Brown and O'Shea are crap. So where's all these great team mates he has?

In my opinion United did so well because they have 10 players who were decent enough and worked hard as a team, then they had Ronaldo to win games for them.

But it's still my opinion that this was the greatest season by a player that I've ever seen. I don't think there are many players who won the league and the European Cup together while finishing top scorer in their own league and in Europe.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 13 2008, 04:23 PM) *
I was quoting Kurt. wink.gif

My Bad
Tennie
(MVB?)
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 13 2008, 04:24 PM) *
The thing is, people like to have it both ways. To play down Ronaldo they'll say he played in a great team. But apparently Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick and Hargreaves are all over-rated, Fletcher, Brown and O'Shea are crap. So where's all these great team mates he has?

laugh.gif laugh.gif Oh so, so true.

QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 13 2008, 04:26 PM) *
(MVB?)

Of course, that's my bias coming into it, but I generally think a lot of people think that, even in England he's talked of as a complete and utter legend cool.gif
Tennie
They're good (except maybe for Brown, who seems to be a bit of an own goal magnet). Still don't much like them or the league.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 04:02 PM) *
Kurt, it's a thing that's there to play our league down I'm sure of it. I suppose no one cared about us a decade ago, now that our teams are starting to dominate Europe again we are hated. A bit like the whole thing with Ronaldo, anyway where's Ricky (Warchant) he should be supporting me on this...


I think you'll find its the hype surrounding the EPL that gets people's backs up. I seem to remember Milan playing Juve in '02 and the general consensus in this country was 'lucky Italians' now look at last season and the same people were gloating about how the prem is the best league in the world rolleyes.gif. And don't even get me started on Sky's usual "this is why the prem is the best in the world" mad.gif

Fact of the matter is league choice is all about opinion, the prem might be the best league but it's only because of the foreigners. The Serie A and La Liga have more 'home' players(I think), so IMO they are better.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Sep 13 2008, 04:34 PM) *
I think you'll find its the hype surrounding the EPL that gets people's backs up. I seem to remember Milan playing Juve in '02 and the general consensus in this country was 'lucky Italians' now look at last season and the same people were gloating about how the prem is the best league in the world rolleyes.gif. And don't even get me started on Sky's usual "this is why the prem is the best in the world" mad.gif

Fact of the matter is league choice is all about opinion, the prem might be the best league but it's only because of the foreigners. The Serie A and La Liga have more 'home' players(I think), so IMO they are better.

biggrin.gif At least you're from England and telling me this!!

The thing with Sky is when I watch the Spanish La Liga, Guillem Balague always seems to go on about how the Spanish is the best league in the world. Sky just love to make their customers think they're watching something really special. Like the Premier League Darts, I mean, come on...
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Sep 13 2008, 04:34 PM) *
I think you'll find its the hype surrounding the EPL that gets people's backs up.

Fact of the matter is league choice is all about opinion, the prem might be the best league but it's only because of the foreigners. The Serie A and La Liga have more 'home' players(I think), so IMO they are better.

This is the bit that confuses me, what hype? I'm not sure I get it. Do all the papers say "The Premier League is the best league in the World: FACT"? I don't see it, and even if they do say that it's the best league in the World, it's not hype, it's opinion.

The EPL is the only sporting league that earns more money outside of it's country than it does inside. So the only people giving this league any 'hype' are foreigners.

I dunno, you look at the Italian champions and they have very few Italians. United and Chelsea have a very English spine to their team, and they're arguably the best two teams in Europe right now. Even our 2nd tier teams like Villa, Everton and West ham are very English.
I_Rossoneri
Newcastle 1-2 Hull City smile.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Habitant @ Sep 13 2008, 08:20 PM) *
^^ @ kaka's brilliant ronaldo's the best in the world we all know. problem is for those you dont agree witht hat, they dont really ahve any other options to pick from (messi, torres, and thats about it) but in the end it's more a campaign against ronaldo than a campaign for messi or torres. myself i hate united but i'm not ashamed to say he's currently the best, overrated or not no one comes to close to him right now.

I can't vouch for others, but I'm the first to accept that he's the best in the world at the moment. innocent.gif That's taking his last season as a benchmark. An year before that everyone was saying Kaka was the absolute best. I never bought much into that, sure he had a good season with us and won everything, that's that. Result? Kaka failed this season. Let's see how CR fares in the next couple of years. The thing with me is I like to measure things by taking into account more than one seasons of a certain player. A player who can spread it consistently over a period of 2-3 or more years.

Even if CR scored 42 more goals this season, that won't change things as how they are now. He was the best last season, and he may be this one too, if no one steps up from other teams. cool.gif Where does that leave me? I'll still think he's on top of the world. And he's still an arrogant prink. I don't have to like him or think him as the world's best (ever) to enjoy his game. Let's wait and see where guys like Kaka, Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra, Torres, etc end up down the line once they're done.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 13 2008, 08:24 PM) *
The thing is, people like to have it both ways. To play down Ronaldo they'll say he played in a great team. But apparently Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick and Hargreaves are all over-rated, Fletcher, Brown and O'Shea are crap. So where's all these great team mates he has?

Don't know about his team mates, but Manchester has been an English titan for oh so long. rolleyes.gif On their worst day, they are still the top 3 or 4 teams in the world along with Milan, Madrid, Bayern, etc.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 13 2008, 04:40 PM) *
This is the bit that confuses me, what hype? I'm not sure I get it. Do all the papers say "The Premier League is the best league in the World: FACT"? I don't see it, and even if they do say that it's the best league in the World, it's not hype, it's opinion.

The EPL is the only sporting league that earns more money outside of it's country than it does inside. So the only people giving this league any 'hype' are foreigners.

I dunno, you look at the Italian champions and they have very few Italians. United and Chelsea have a very English spine to their team, and they're arguably the best two teams in Europe right now. Even our 2nd tier teams like Villa, Everton and West ham are very English.


I'm sorry but you must be ignorant if haven't heard or read about the prem being the best!

And your other point just looks ignorant as I was talking about leagues and not necessarily clubs rolleyes.gif
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 04:38 PM) *
biggrin.gif At least you're from England and telling me this!!

The thing with Sky is when I watch the Spanish La Liga, Guillem Balague always seems to go on about how the Spanish is the best league in the world. Sky just love to make their customers think they're watching something really special. Like the Premier League Darts, I mean, come on...


The press are no better...
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 13 2008, 04:38 PM) *
biggrin.gif At least you're from England and telling me this!!

The thing with Sky is when I watch the Spanish La Liga, Guillem Balague always seems to go on about how the Spanish is the best league in the world. Sky just love to make their customers think they're watching something really special. Like the Premier League Darts, I mean, come on...

Yeah, I do think you can accuse tv stations of 'hyping' since they're not, they're just promoting their stuff.

I'm surprised this league does get the tag of hype so much. If somebody is young and foreign (Not British) they always get labelled the next Maradona, Pele, etc. There are so many guys accross Europe, like Nani, Bojan, Pato, etc. they're considered World class player before they even do anything. Yet you'll have an unfashionable, typical English centre forward type player in England he doesn't have all the skills in the World bang in 20 goals a season and he'll be over-rated.. I just don't get it to be honest.
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