Thank you

I'm not saying he's going to be the best this season but like you say last, yes he was.

I hear and read just as much as I do people saying Serie A is the best, or La Liga. In fact, on ehre, very few people think the EPL is the best, I believe we even had a poll, so it kinda does prove my point really.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. Leagues are made up of clubs, so it's the same thing.

It seems that people believe what they want though. If somebody comes out saying Serie A is the best, they're 'right', if somebody says the same of the EPL, it's 'hype'.

You didn't quote my full post, particularly the arrogant prink part. Anyhoo I guess it boils down to what one's definition of the best is. For some it's one good/great season at the top, while for someone like me it's on a continued period. The overrated part comes into play in between this. For some Pele is overrated, for all he's done, so it won't stop the world from spinning, I guess.

I'm done.

This Blackburn defence.... lol

Come on, I'm English I twist words

Agreed, if he does this over an extended period then he is one of the greats. He's not yet but he is on the right path let's just hope he doesn't go off the rails and start drinking or something so we lose another footballing talent.

true

Kurt, I think it's largely a matter of personal preference when it comes down to which league one thinks is the 'best'. It's a subjective thing.

Oh dear, Adebayor scored a hat-trick. The World must surely be ending soon.

And the biggest club in World football has lost 2-1 at home to Hull.

Heheh... Hull wins 2-1 against Newcastle... in Newcastle's own stadium... that's hilarious.

And West Brom won 3-2 against West Ham at home...

Exactly. Which is why it's very annoying when somebody has an opinion that the EPL is the best in the World and it's just labelled as hype or whatever. Annoyingness.

Full time results:
Blackburn 0 - 4 Arsenal
Fulham 2 - 1 Bolton
Newcastle 1 - 2 Hull
Portsmouth 2 - 1 Middlesbrough
West Bromwich 3 - 2 West Ham
Wigan Athletic 1 - 1 Sunderland

For a moment there I thought you said Agbonlahor

How did I... when did I... fvck! I forgot to watch Liverpool-Man U!

Well, well... I see... no Ronaldo, no Man U. first the Zenit humiliation and now defeat to Liverpool. well done to Liverpool, the only side in England I always liked (except for... that Turkish night). it's obvious there's not much motivation left in Man U players and not having Ronaldo just worsens things... I see Chelsea and Liverpool fighting it out for the title.

@ Kaka Is Brilliant

What does your signature mean?? I'm curious...

prem - 63% foreign players

Bundesliga 51% foreign players

La Liga 41% foreign players

Serie A 36% foreign players

So it seems the prem has got the highest amount of foreigners while the Serie A has the least

He's got two this season, one against City and er.. one here!

Comparing Messi V Ronaldo

The discussions over now anyway, I think I should make you all curious and stick a Torquay United player in there

Ha, that's what I meant another one for this season?! Maybe on Monday! Get Young on the score-sheet work wonders for the Fantasy Football!

Of course. English language itself is your housemaid.


Truth.


Very.


The problem doesn't start there. Every media likes to (over) hype, it's their way of advertisement. Even the Spanish and Italian ones do this. It's not even called hyping up, it's called selling, pitching a product. The problem starts when people believe the hype. Only Italian fans come out and think of Serie A as a tactical league. While ever ****, Joe and Harry who may know or not know about football seems to think of EPL as the be all and end all.

Okay, I'm really done this time.

Talk about FACTS

(Now they'll say foreign players don't come to Italy because Serie A sucks!)

I'm not even going to enter a discussion.

Nice attempt at flaming by the way.

Thank you. No wonder the top 4 clubs in EPL are knee deep in debt. £500m pounds is no chump change.

I don't think anyone has said Newcastle are the biggest club in world football

Perhaps someone has a chip on their shoulder

Ya know what this forum is full of anti-Engilsh cynics and quite frankly I've had enough of this place now.

And? You're assuming that all these foreigners are any good. United have plenty of English, or at least British players that play often, and they're the Champions of England and Europe. While the best team in Italy has very few Italians. So you can twist it this way and say English players are good enough to be Champions of Europe, but Italians aren't good enough to win your own league.

But to me how many home grown players United and Inter have isn't that important, Villa are very English and we've done well with our team the way it is.

That's can be skewed one way or another very easily, you know that.

It's a pretty unfair comparison though. I mean Messi was out injured for many weeks. besides he's not a 'goalscorer' type player.

As for who will win the individual titles, I think, there shouldn't even be any debates. it's clear they're Ronaldo's. even I, who rate Messi pretty much higher, admit that.

I was taking the piss. Me, chip on my shoulder over Newcastle? I don't even really get how you've come to this conclusion, what do I have to be jealous of, seriously.

The top 4 of the English Premiership league have fewer English players playing than the top 4 of the Italian Serie A have Italians playing. With the exception of Inter... Milan, Roma and Juventus are very Italian. These are just facts.

My point was about leagues and not clubs, you were the one who bought clubs into it

Ash, I don't think of myself as anti-English; I just don't generally enjoy watching the English league. That's my subjective opinion and trust me when I say I'm very much in the minority in the States when I say something like that. I prefer Italian football, full stop. And that's why I'm here on this board. Speaking of which, the Palermo-Roma game is underway so I'm going to nip off to the Serie A thread for now.

But again, it's still not proving anything. For all we know these foreign players make up the bottom 6 clubs in the league. THAT is why you have to look at individual clubs. The reason you aren't doing this is because it doesn't fit into your arguement.

Tennie, there's a difference between the way you and others respond to this arguement though. You are just putting your opinion accross and say you don't like the EPL, that's fine. Many other people just go on about how crap the league is.

The ironic thing is alot of people on here go on about how crap the EPL is, then go on and say it's got loads of foreign players. So they're basically saying all these foreigners are crap.

Good reminder bet365 time

Sorry! didn't mean no teasing... or flaming.

@ Kurt

Would you forget the current champions of Italy? they're "Internazionale".

Jesus H. Christ. D1ck is a very common name, for crying out loud. Anyone ever read the novel Moby D1ck, or the works of Philip K. D1ck of 'A Scanner Darkly' fame? Not to mention there are thousands of people with this name. Gee, whiz!

It seems that every chance you get you try to chip at Newcastle. IIRC it started when I said they were a big club, you started all this nonsense about Newcastle not winning anything in 50 odd years so can't be a big club. In that case then Nottingham Forest are the third most successful club in England

And using clubs fits your argument...

At least that's not me. While I don't buy the Barclay: The best damn league in the world analogy, but still I think the English league is right up there with the Germany, Italian and Spanish. The big four. Not necessarily my favorite one to watch because of the gameplay and style. Personal preference yes, but that's not to say the league is crap, because it isn't.

Plus, I'm the first one to admit the tons of $$$ floating around there. That's one measure of success.

We need an own thread for this..."Kurt and Kaka is brilliant vs the rest of the forum, with Giancarlo vs Porty as an extra feature.

Anyway, Arsenal stats thus far this season, played 4, won 3, lost 1 goals scored: 8, goals conceded: 1.
Our season is going well at the moment, and Man U losing to Liverpool was the icing on the cake.

Arsenal starting well is nothing new... it's a question of whether they can sustain it since they don't have the depth of Chelsea or Man Utd.

So... the bigge$t clash in England is about to start.

Um, it is. Arsenal have a history of starting their season like crap, in the 06-07 season we were out of the title race by the end of september.

Yeah, so many matches today. There's the inter vs Catania thingy too.


They started well last season. Maybe people have that in mind. It's another thing they just ruined everything by concentrating on the CL against Milan, which they had too. But it hit Arsenal in the league a tad more than expected.

Exactly. So neither arguement is 'right'.


Agreed.

Anyways, Clash of the Cash is about to start, Chelsea go to Man City.

City: (4-4-1-1) 1 Hart; 5 Zabaleta, 2 Richards, 22 Dunne, 3 Ball; 8 Wright-Phillips, 21 Hamman, 33 Kompany, 7 Ireland; 10 Robinho; 14 Jo.
Subs: 16 Schmeichel, 11 Elano, 16 Garrido, 19 Fernandes, 24 Evans, 26 Ben Haim, 28 Sturridge.

Chelsea: (4-3-3) 1 Cech; 17 Bosingwa, 26 Terry, 6 Carvalho, 3 A.Cole; 20 Deco, 12 Mikel, 8 Lampard; 10 J.Cole, 15 Malouda, 39 Anelka.
Subs: 40 Hilario, 2 Ivanovic, 11 Drogba, 18 Bridge, 21 Kalou, 33 Alex, 35 Belletti.

You could argue that last season you should have won the league, but threw it away in February-ish kinda time.. so you have had good starts before, like last season I'm not sure you've got what it takes to go the distance. We'll see.

I think what hit us the most was Eduardo's injury and the Birmingham game. Everything went apart after that.

And Rosicky and Van Persie being hurt too. Rosicky's still hurt, isn't he?

Jep. I'd have given anything for someone else winning the league instead of Man U.

How do you work that out? I stated that there were more foreigners in the prem(which is correct ), and you tried to argue otherwise with a totally different argument. If you want to argue then argue about the same thing and don't twist things.

I also said that a team with plenty of English players was good enough to win the European Cup, while no team with many Italians was good enough to win the Italian league, forget Europe. So I'm also right, so.. You don't like the EPL anyways so it's quite a pointless excercise in arguing this, I'm not going to continue anymore.


Is he ever not hurt, this guy has terrible luck.

He's been more or less injured since the end of 2006...and I actually forgot about Van Persie.
He's been out with injury so often I stopped going "oh sh*t, not again" about a year ago. Now I'm more like "Oh well, it had to come."
It's a bloody shame our arguably most skilled players are the most injured.

Robinho, 1-0.

ROBINHO 1-0.

MUAHAHAHA. Great FK.

MUAHAHAH. Look at John Terry-Cech thing. LOL Almost killing each-other.