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Jack Sparrow
^^^

biggrin.gif He'll drop Lampard. Though I have hopes for Sheva under Scolari.
amancik
I think we'll be seeing one or two brazillians in Chelsea next season
Milan Are Brilliant
I get the feeling Deco may go there now.
Jack Sparrow
+1. We should get Deco really. Would be good in place of Seedorf in the 4-3-1-2.
kurtsimonw
Villa have rejected another bid from Liverpool for Gareth Barry - reportedly around £15m.

Now I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but when Villa say they want around £20m for a certain player, and then you make bids of £10m, £12m and £15m.. you don't really have the right to be surprised when they get rejected. Either Rafa thinks 10, 12 and 15 are higher than 20, or he's being a tw@t, probably both.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 12 2008, 01:46 PM)
Villa have rejected another bid from Liverpool for Gareth Barry - reportedly around £15m.

Now I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but when Villa say they want around £20m for a certain player, and then you make bids of £10m, £12m and £15m.. you don't really have the right to be surprised when they get rejected. Either Rafa thinks 10, 12 and 15 are higher than 20, or he's being a tw@t, probably both.
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I'm starting to think Liverpool should spend there money on other players.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Barry but I feel there centre midfield currently is second to none unless they plan on playing him elsewhere.

I think the money spent on someone like Silva, Villa or Quaresma would be a far better investment for them.
Portman
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 12 2008, 08:08 PM)
I think the money spent on someone like Silva, Villa or Quaresma would be a far better investment for them.
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Quite obvious.

And it's not with FB's like Degen or Dossena that they're going to 'the next level'. They need to buy players like Torres... like they did last year. They should have learnt.

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MANCHESTER UNITED are reeling after FIFA said: We won’t stop Real Madrid tapping up Cristiano Ronaldo.

As the winking winger inspired Portugal to a win over the Czech Republic, a senior FIFA official said: “United’s chances of getting Real punished are zero.”

The Red Devils have already made an official complaint, hoping world soccer’s governing body will stop the Spaniards’ bid to lure Ronaldo from Old Trafford.

SunSport yesterday published pictures of a Real official meeting Ronaldo, 23, in Rome.

But the Spaniards insist no one can prove they have tapped up Ronaldo — and FIFA agree, despite United’s protests.

A member of FIFA’s executive committee told SunSport: “I think everyone knows that these things go on in football but proving any wrongdoing is next to impossible.

“Real are very powerful and I don’t think they’ll be too worried about United’s claims.”

Ex-United winger Gordon Hill reckons Ronaldo has taken the mickey out of boss Alex Ferguson.

Hill said: “It looks like there’s been something cooking for months. What pees me off is that meanwhile they grab the shirt and they grab the badge. That takes the mickey.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...icle1280662.ece


So predictable. I still think this was an excuse (a good one) in case he goes Madrid. In the end they can say "We even went to FIFA..." rolleyes.gif
Tennie
Why on earth would you believe anything written in the Sun?
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 12 2008, 09:23 PM)
Why on earth would you believe anything written in the Sun?
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It was in Man Utd official website too, though it was in Papers section.

Don't forget it was The Sun who got the "pic" of Real's physio and Ronaldo talking in Rome.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 12 2008, 07:08 PM)
I'm starting to think Liverpool should spend there money on other players.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Barry but I feel there centre midfield currently is second to none unless they plan on playing him elsewhere.

I think the money spent on someone like Silva, Villa or Quaresma would be a far better investment for them.
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From what I've read on both Villa and Liverpool forums, this seems to be the bigger picture. Gerrard isn't happy, he wants more English players and has basically given Rafa his own shoppoing list. Barry being #1 on it as they're apparently good friends.

The reason they aren't buying 'bigger names' is that they simply can't afford it. Even MON says he's not sure they can afford Barry at the moment, they need to sell before they can buy - hence Alonso needing to leave before they'll buy Barry.

I think in the end they'll pay over the odds for Barry. He almost has to leave Villa now as if he was to stay after supposedly saying he wants to leave, I'm not sure the fans will forgive him. But as long as we rip Liverpool off, it's fine by me.
Tennie
QUOTE (Portikins @ Jun 12 2008, 04:29 PM)
It was in Man Utd official website too, though it was in Papers section.

Don't forget it was The Sun who got the "pic" of Real's physio and Ronaldo talking in Rome.
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Oh, was that the visit at the lap dance place?

EDIT: In any event, the Sun is - in my mind - not reliable at all. I'd prefer to see the information in a more reputable publication/website before I'm asked to believe it. To me, the Sun is only marginally better than tribalfootball. (It is, however, extremely entertaining to read and I enjoy reading it when I'm in the UK).
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 12 2008, 09:50 PM)
Oh, was that the visit at the lap dance place?
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Dunno. But as Cristiano was there... probably. biggrin.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 12 2008, 08:48 PM)
The reason they aren't buying 'bigger names' is that they simply can't afford it. Even MON says he's not sure they can afford Barry at the moment, they need to sell before they can buy - hence Alonso needing to leave before they'll buy Barry.

They should be getting rid of players though. They have quite a lot of average players that they could make a few million off. Alonso they will get a fair amount for. Players like Crouch, Lucas, Benayoun, Pennant, Voronin etc.

And have they sold Carson yet? I'm still not sure but I've heard that will be roughly £10mil. I think they can easily make up £20mil + Alonso's fee.

I know they bought Mascherano in January but they did sell Sissoko to at least make 50% of that fee up.

Depending on how much money gets fed into the club I'm not sure about the whole Liverpool board room speculation they can buy big players in my opinion.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 12 2008, 08:58 PM)
They should be getting rid of players though. They have quite a lot of average players that they could make a few million off. Alonso they will get a fair amount for. Players like Crouch, Lucas, Benayoun, Pennant, Voronin etc.
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They may struggle with Rafa's valuations, not quite sure he's on the same planet as us. He rates Carson at £10m and Crouch at £15m, which is quite absurd really. They should get a decent amount for Benayoun though. Just depends if their are teams willing to match their valuations.

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 12 2008, 08:58 PM)
And have they sold Carson yet? I'm still not sure but I've heard that will be roughly £10mil. I think they can easily make up £20mil + Alonso's fee.
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Yeah, Villa have first rights on Carson, as part of the loan deal we paid form. But £10m? Up until December I'd have bit their hand off at that price, but he went really downhill after that. Around £5m is more like it!

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 12 2008, 08:58 PM)
I know they bought Mascherano in January but they did sell Sissoko to at least make 50% of that fee up.

Depending on how much money gets fed into the club I'm not sure about the whole Liverpool board room speculation they can buy big players in my opinion.
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I can see them getting around £35m from the sales of Alonso, Carson, Crouch, etc. but with about half of that going on Barry.. I'm not sure what kinds of players they're looking for. I mean, they signed Degen at RB, a player who can't even get into the Swiss starting XI, doesn't say alot. tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
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Wright To Ronaldo: I'm Embarrassed For You


Arsenal legend Ian Wright has delivered a damning indictment on Cristiano Ronaldo in his column for The Sun.



Manchester United are growing increasingly anxious and annoyed with the attempts of Real Madrid to keep the fires stoked with regard to a deal, as well as the fact that Ronaldo himself is more than happy to reciprocate his suitor's advances.

Wright, for once, was firmly on United's side, and suggested that Ronaldo 'the person' is nowhere near the caliber of Ronaldo 'the player'.

"As a player, there's no doubt what you're capable of. As a man, you're not showing any class whatsoever." Wright scathed.

"You're also failing to show any respect to either Alex Ferguson or the Manchester United fans.

"To be honest, I'm embarrassed for you.

"You're now 23 and you should not be acting quite so immature.

"You've been at Old Trafford for five years but it's only the last two seasons you've set the place on fire.

"Previous to that, Fergie stuck with you. Despite your diving and despite the fact you would always try to take on a defender rather than pass to a team-mate. When you acted a right winker at the World Cup two years ago, your club manager once again showed extreme loyalty to you, along with United's fans.

"They could have turned on you after your behaviour during the England match in Germany but they didn't.

"You've now become one hell of a player - the best on this planet. I'd pay just to see you warm-up, let alone play a game.

"But with the drop of a hat, it seems you're ready to join Real Madrid."


Goal.com




CR as a player, has come a long way and deserves to be crowned the best player this year .. But truth be told, I was never fond of him, and Wright underlines just a fragment of what I dislike about him ..


In the case that he does move to Madrid, it wouldn't be the first time that United let an important player go ... They have done it countless of times in the past!
whoarethepatriots
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United Snap Up Roma Youngster

Manchester United have completed the signing of promising Roma youngster, Davide Petrucci, to the fury of the club and the local press...


You Son of a b******!

This rampant piracy has to stop. United will in all likelyhood loan him out or let him rot in the reserves, only to be sold back to an Italian club in a few years time. They will effectively freeze his career if not ruin it. Same thing happened to Lupoli. Arsenal swooped in, loaned him to Derby and disposed of him, ruining his career. I dont think he will ever reach the heights that he was set for

Instead of issuing illegal quotas, That idiot Blatter and Platini need to do something about this. Platini is supposedly pissed off about this but he hasnt done anything so far

Source
dst
This is annoying. I hope to see CR go to Madrid and piss on a United shirt on his presentation day! smile.gif
Ry4n
lets just hope they Loan him out to a team in Italy we can only hope now sad.gif
KillerMax
It's not like this kid had no choice...
Tennie
True enough, Max. It still is really unfortunate that a team like United choose to poach kids from teams rather than focusing on their own youth system.

I hope Platini et al do something about this.
dst
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jun 13 2008, 06:02 PM)
It's not like this kid had no choice...
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That's what I thought at first but then... we don't know the influence his parents have on him...
morgoth
Just a question, what if that club was an Italian one, is it OK for you guys if the kid signed for an Italian club?!
Tennie
Yeah, Morgoth, I'd be okay with it if it were an Italian club-Italian club transfer. The respective primaveras transfer kids back and forth all the time. I think the data is even on the Lega Calcio site.
kurtsimonw
I think it's only okay if the kid signs with the club that has bought him up as a player, it's the right thing to do really. That kid is just as bad as United.
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 13 2008, 06:41 PM)
I think it's only okay if the kid signs with the club that has bought him up as a player, it's the right thing to do really. That kid is just as bad as United.
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It's been a long time but we agree! biggrin.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 13 2008, 01:00 PM)
In the case that he does move to Madrid, it wouldn't be the first time that United let an important player go ... They have done it countless of times in the past!
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They'd do "a Barcelona" so. Letting the important players leave. cool.gif
kurtsimonw
Well, 2 of the players Liverpool wanted to sell to free up some cash look like they will not be leaving, at least for now. Juve don't want to pay Liverpools valuation of Alonso, and Portsmouth don't want to pay the valuation of Crouch. Liverpool won't be making many summer moves by the looks of it.
kurtsimonw
To add to the above, MON has told Rafa that he can either offer £20m cash, or don' bother offering. And Benitez doesn't feel Barry is worth £20m. This is going to be a long summer.
kurtsimonw
Apparently these are the leaked fixtures for the opening weekend.

Middlebrough v Tottenham
Stoke v Chelsea
Man United vs West Brom
Liverpool vs Newcastle
Sunderland vs Everton
Hull vs Bolton
Blackburn vs Wigan
Portsmouth vs Man City
Fulham vs West Ham
Arsenal vs Villa

Wouldn't surprise me if they're true becayse as usual Villa get a nice easy game, away to Arsenal, home to Liverpool and away to Arsenal in the last 3 seasons. Oh, and United get a nice head start, like usual. dry.gif
Jack Sparrow
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Man Utd's Ferguson forced to wind back transfer plans


Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is having to wind back his transfer plans this summer, it has been revealed.

The Sunday Mirror says the United boss was allowed to broker deals worth £50m to bring in Owen Hargreaves, Anderson and Nani last summer.

And 12 months on, most of the cash on those deals is now payable to Bayern Munich, Porto and Sporting Lisbon respectively.

United must also decide in the coming months whether to pay £25m to Media Sports Investments to secure Carlos Tevez on a permanent deal.

United banked more than £40m from their Double triumph, but the realities of the worldwide credit crunch are starting to bite.

The Glazer family, who own the club, have racked up debts which stood at £665m last year - with interest on those borrowings now running close to the £100m-a-year mark.

Ferguson is looking to raise cash to bolster his transfer funds. But there have been no takers for Louis Saha due to his dire injury record at Old Trafford, although Gerard Pique has been sold to Barcelona for £4.9m.



Ahhh...how come we never mentioned Louis Saha? laugh.gif Now here's someone who can make Ronaldo look injury free.
kurtsimonw
Thankfully the "leaked" fixtures were wrong, here are the official opening day fixtures for the 2008/09 Premier Legaue season.

Saturday, 16 August 2008
Arsenal v West Brom, 15:00
Aston Villa v Man City, 15:00
Bolton v Stoke, 15:00
Chelsea v Portsmouth, 15:00
Everton v Blackburn, 15:00
Hull v Fulham, 15:00
Man Utd v Newcastle, 15:00
Middlesbrough v Tottenham, 15:00
Sunderland v Liverpool, 15:00
West Ham v Wigan, 15:00

But still, an easy home game for United. What a surprise!
kurtsimonw
It is now thought that Liverpool are preparing their final offer for Gareth Barry. Rafa Benitez has had bids of £10m, £12m and £13m (+ £5m if they won the league.. so £13m) all rejected so far. He is expected to make a final bid between £14m-£16m, if this is rejected he will turn his sights towards Man City's Michael Johnson and Villarreal Santi Corzola. The bid is expected to be rejected as O'Neill wants in the region of £20m, and another offer less than this will only annoy him even more.

This would be so great if the deal doesn't go through. Could it be the end of the big 4 getting who they want!?
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 17 2008, 02:16 AM)
(+ £5m if they won the league.. so £13m)
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laugh.gif Who are they kidding?

Liverpool want £15m for Crouch and they refuse to spend £20m on Barry!? laugh.gif What a joke!

But Kurt... wouldn't it be bad if you kept him while he wants to go?
kurtsimonw
It would be bad if he's desperate to leave, but he says it's all upto the manager. MON has improved him as a player and put him back in the England team, so I'm sure he won't turn his back on him and do a Gallas and threaten him with things until he sells. laugh.gif
Jack Sparrow
@kurt: Did you just say Man United had an easy home game? I think you meant Arsenal... realmad.gif
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 17 2008, 04:01 AM)
It would be bad if he's desperate to leave, but he says it's all upto the manager. MON has improved him as a player and put him back in the England team, so I'm sure he won't turn his back on him and do a Gallas and threaten him with things until he sells. laugh.gif
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laugh.gif I remember Gallas saying he'd score own-goals if they did not sell him! laugh.gif laugh.gif
Devillito
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 17 2008, 03:51 PM)
laugh.gif I remember Gallas saying he'd score own-goals if they did not sell him! laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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ohmy.gif

Really?
That desperate?
morgoth
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 17 2008, 08:51 AM)
laugh.gif I remember Gallas saying he'd score own-goals if they did not sell him! laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Gallas never confirmed it, there was a huge fuss about it and I think the footballers association came out and defended him saying that he always was a great professional, of course that was before this year's incident when he wanted to go out of the field after Clichy's error (I forgot the opponent) laugh.gif
Portman
SIC - a Portuguese TV channel - is saying Deco is already a done deal with Chelsea.

http://www.record.pt/noticia.asp?id=791730&idCanal=292
kurtsimonw
Porty, João Pereira any good? We've been linked with him, yet another Portugese right-back! £4m the price.
Portman
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 19 2008, 07:01 PM)
Porty, João Pereira any good? We've been linked with him, yet another Portugese right-back! £4m the price.
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He's OK. Nothing like Bosingwa though. Benfica youth product I think.
kurtsimonw
Guillem Ballague, who does all the Spanish football stuff on Sky Sports, has said tht Ronaldo has told him that his "Premier League caree is over". Thank God for our defense!
Tennie
Paul Ince has been named the new coach of Blackburn Rovers.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 22 2008, 07:54 PM)
Paul Ince has been named the new coach of Blackburn Rovers.
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Good player but coach?

Ok, he got Wimbledon (MK Dons) promoted but they, like QPR are the Chelsea of the lower leagues I mean have you seen their stadium?!

It will be interesting to see how he does at this level.
kurtsimonw
Can't be worse than others they were linked with.. Steve McClaren!
kurtsimonw
Spurs set to sign PSVs Gomes for £10m

Decent keeper, but terrible at coming for crosses, which is probably the most vital thing for an EPL keeper. Not to sure about this one.

And just accross North London.. Nasri pens 4-year deal with Gunners
kurtsimonw
Man City have agreed a fee of £19m to sign Jo from CSKA Moscow, and he's been given a work permit. The movie will go through after personal terms have been agreed and when Jo has been given a medical.

But £19m? laugh.gif

Still seems to me that a few teams are allowed to be excepted from rules in the EPL. Jo has made 1 international appearance, yet has been given a work permit? Yeah, that's how it works. rolleyes.gif
Rossoneri7
The Sun reports that City have withdrawn from the race to sign Ronaldinho, they have instead opted for Joe from CSKA Moscow for an estimated 18MM deal.
amancik
Good, Man. City! Remember your place.
acid911
QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 29 2008, 05:09 AM)
Good, Man. City! Remember your place.
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