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Zed.D
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 27 2009, 01:08 AM) *
I'm just hoping he won't come out declaring that we still have a chance at the title, because you know that should he do that we'll sink faster then the Titanic. It's better if he keeps his mouth shut, or better yet, him and Carlo keep insisting that we don't have a chance at the title anymore.

I want to see us close that gap as much as we can before the season ends

laugh.gif Couldn't agree with you more. I'm sure Galliani is badly tempted to do so but he knows it will only ruin our very slim chance of winning the title.

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Apr 27 2009, 03:48 AM) *
True that. Starting the season 0-2 didn't help either.


Or losing 6 points in the first 2 matchdays while we had everyone available (except Nesta) rolleyes.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 27 2009, 07:10 AM) *
laugh.gif Couldn't agree with you more. I'm sure Galliani is badly tempted to do so but he knows it will only ruin our very slim chance of winning the title.

Or losing 6 points in the first 2 matchdays while we had everyone available (except Nesta) rolleyes.gif

Agreed

Those 6 points imo, will be the difference between us and Inter come season end. We lost a lot of stupid points this season, but those 6 points will be our only regret.
dst
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Apr 26 2009, 11:46 PM) *
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This is da man! cool.gif

Who do you like him now Filip! tongue.gif

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 27 2009, 12:26 AM) *
Surely. what pisses me off even more is Galliani coming out week in week out saying injuries are the only reason we're not in the title race. ignorant ****. dry.gif

In my opinion Ancelotti's decision to play Seedorf has cost us more than anything else. It may sound exaggerated to some but I believe even one player can kill the whole game of the team - especially when that player is playing in such a vital position. Playing with 11 men instead of 10 would have us being close (above or below) to Inter now.
Rossoneri7
The table currently shows Milan 7 points off the top. I don't think Milan will end the season as Scudetto winners, rather I hope they finish as runners up with a slim margin from the top.

Main culprit for this season's problems for Milan was without a doubt injuries. Had Nesta been here, Borriello, Inzaghi, Gattuso, Bonera and had Kaka' recovered from his knee injury at the start of the season (instead of carrying it with him all throughout the season), I think Milan would have easily been top of the table by a favorable margin. As the lack of availability of those players hampered a lot of the team's consistency on the field.

But, as Silvio said today: ".. the ifs and buts and other conditions don't help anyone in football." - (FI) Hence, I would rather sit here today and look ahead, proud of what my team had done until 2007, where Milan topped it off with the CWC. And consider these past two seasons dry seasons in terms of silverware and results, then again after a six year high it is only normal to have two bumpy seasons especially considering that Milan lifted 8 trophies in 8 seasons.


But to push la merda to the wire ? .. I am trying so hard not to get overworked about it, considering my co-workers keep talking football (since its the semifinals of CL and the leagues are in their final phases) and are ALL cheering for Milan to beat la merda to the Scudetto ... arggghhh 96.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (goal.com)
Serie A Clubs Break Away From Lega Calcio - Report

Italian football is about to be revolutionised as Serie A clubs break away from their involvement with Serie B...

All Serie A clubs, apart from Lecce have voted to form their own governing body and break away from the Lega Calcio.

The move which was announced by Palermo president Maurizio Zamaprini on Thursday afternoon means Serie A clubs will not longer be governed together with Serie B sides in the Lega Calcio. All top-flight clubs will be run by the Lega Serie A which will be responsible for organising fixtures.

Serie A and Serie B have been run together by the Lega Calcio since 1946, but that has come to an end after 19 of the 20 top clubs voted to break away and form their own governing body. The move is similar to what happened back in England during the 1992 season when the Premier League was formed.

Maurizio Berreta will be the man who is given the task with overseeing the management of the Lega Serie A. Zamaprini announced the move, but he is not sure it will be best for Calcio.

"We have formed the new Lega Serie A. Am I satisfied? No really, but it had to be done," the chief told La Gazzetta Dello Sport.


I'm not really sure what it means but I welcome changes biggrin.gif
kurtsimonw
Good move.
dst
What does he mean by "I'm not satisfied"? What did he want the decision to be, "Let's make our own governing body and oh let's give 100m to Palermo too because we love them"!??!?!???

Stupid ****!
Zed.D
Are we supposed to take Zamparini too seriously? wink.gif
Tennie
Depends on whether or not he's taken his meds, zeddie. smile.gif
dst
^^ laugh.gif

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 30 2009, 08:52 PM) *
Are we supposed to take Zamparini too seriously? wink.gif

No but... I cannot understand how he is so negative all the ****ing time!!!
MizNelson
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 27 2009, 04:27 AM) *
This is da man! cool.gif

Who do you like him now Filip! tongue.gif

Easily the recipient of this year's Sexiest Coach Award, something Carlo won't be winning anytime soon. smile.gif
Tennie
(from Channel 4)
QUOTE
The Immortals
May 4, 2009, witnesses the 60th anniversary of the Superga air disaster, the most poignant and tragic moment in Italian football history.

As posters for Clint Eastwood’s ‘Gran Torino’ are splashed over metro stations across Europe, the legend that is ‘Il Grande Torino’ is coming sharply back into focus across Italy.

May 4 is a significant day in the Italian football diary as it marks the painful anniversary of the country’s darkest sporting hour. The Superga air disaster has ensured that Il Grande Torino is not merely remembered as a football team. Nor simply as a great football team. But as a legend of almost mythical proportions. The three words ‘Il Grande Torino’ carry an enormous emotional weight not only for Toro supporters, but for all calcio lovers.

The heroes who perished when the Fiat G.212 plane crashed into the side of the Basilica of Superga, a monument built imposingly overlooking Turin by Filippo Juvarra as a celebration for a victory over the French army in the 1700s, remain alive in our minds, and forever young as athletes at the peak of their power.

That Torino team, on course for their fifth straight Serie A title – a record only shared with the Juventus team of the 1930s – is widely considered the greatest Italian club side ever. Of course, comparing teams across eras is a futile exercise, nevertheless Il Grande Torino stand not only as an example of sporting excellence but of pride, spirit and history.

The cornerstones of that team such as iconic captain Valentino Mazzola and forward Franco Ossola were everyday men who lived not only in the lives of their fans but amongst their fans.

The great Torino side were a symbol of Italy’s recovery from a barbaric and painful Second World War after which the country’s pride and mood were ravished following a humiliating defeat. This team helped in some way to forge a spirit of the new and young Italy.

The nature of the tragedy goes someway into revealing the significance of this side. In an era before European club football and with limited air travel, Il Grande Torino had already become the first Italian side to play a series of games in South America and were on their way back from a friendly against Benfica in Lisbon when tragedy struck.

The tie had been organised by Mazzola and his friend Jose Ferreira, captain of Benfica, who was marking his retirement from the game. Il Grande Torino had a global appeal and could also count Eva Peron, Argentina’s First Lady, as a supporter. Fittingly, the Granata were also the first Italian team to play outside of Italy following World War II – a friendly in Switzerland.

At 17:04 on May 4, 1949, the plane piloted by Pierluigi Meroni – a namesake of a Torino legend who died in a road accident 18 years later, the car driven by a future Torino President! – was forced to take a diversion to Milan due to the misty conditions and low clouds which prevented landing in Turin. However, the atrocious visibility led the pilot into a fateful crash into the hill just beneath the Basilica. There were no survivors.

The dead included all of the first team squad beside youngster Sauro Tomá, who missed the journey due to injury, and reserve ‘keeper Renato Gandolfi, who stayed in Turin as third choice goalkeeper Dino Ballarin was given the opportunity to travel with his older brother Aldo.

The entire coaching staff also perished along with three journalists, including the renowned scribes Renato Casalbore, founder of the Tuttosport newspaper, and Renato Tosatti, whose son Giorgio like Valentino Mazzola’s Sandro followed in his father’s footsteps.

The architect behind Il Grande Torino, President Ferruccio Novo, had business commitments and didn’t make the Lisbon friendly but admitted after the tragedy that he wished he had such was the pain of the loss.

Novo was the inspiration and architect of this great side which was fabricated in the early 1940s. He was a modern thinker and detached the club from the austere and at times passionless way clubs were run in the early years of competitive football. He maintained a personal and, at times, paternal relationship with the players and had an eye for talent and more importantly an eye for people who could spot talent.

Throughout Novo’s era, Coaches and technical directors came and went, bringing fresh ideas without disrupting the continuity which made this club great. Foreign trainers such as Englishman Leslie Lievesley and Hungarian Egri Erbstein brought European intelligence and advanced fitness regimes.

The team itself almost always adopted the WM formation. The W describing the shape of the five forward players and the M the five defensive players. It was a system devised by legendary Arsenal trainer Herbert Chapman in the 1930s and honed by Italy Coach Vittorio Pozzo during the Azzurri’s two World Cup triumphs in 1934 and 1938.

The outfit’s early signings such as Mazzola and Ezio ‘The Elephant’ Loik from Venezia proved inspired with intelligent additions each season. Every player formed an essential part of a beautiful mosaic.

‘Keeper Valerio Bacigalupo was regarded as one of the first to come off his line, Eusebio Castigliano possessed a velvet touch, Romeo Menti, speed and flair, Aldo Ballarin, a fierce combative style. Mario Rigamonti was the defensive rock, Valerio Maroso the galloping full-back, Giuseppe Grezar the midfield organiser and former Juventus hero Guglielmo ‘The Baron’ Gabetto the goal-poacher supreme.

Had it not been for WWII, which cancelled the championship between 1943 and 1945, this side would have broken already more records than it did. At the same token, the team very nearly split up due to the outbreak of the war and had it not been for Novo who convinced FIAT to pretend the players were working on the production line as “indispensable to the war effort”, Il Grande Torino may never have come to fruition.

Indeed, the war period is considered a particular turning point in the history of Il Grande Torino. As Ossola’s son, also called Franco, reveals: “The players built up such a bond and fraternity during the war that once it was over they worked as an amazing unit.” An unofficial championship was played in 1944 enabling the players to train together and retain their fitness under the premise they were working at FIAT.

Reeling off impressive statistics still doesn’t do justice to the greatness of this side but to pick a few, Il Grande Torino never lost a Serie A home match at the side’s mythical Stadio Filadelfia – 93 matches, 83 wins, 10 draws and only two opponents kept clean sheets – and not only did they never lose but victories which threatened the double figure margin were not uncommon, as Alessandria, following a 10-0 defeat during the 1947-48 season, can testify.

Mazzola remains the symbol of Il Grande Torino. As captain and inspirational leader he had something extra, a strength of character and charisma which drove the team on during key moments, combined with the physique of a bull married to a fine technique.

Mazzola, who caused controversy by divorcing his first wife, holds most of Il Grande Torino’s individual records – including appearances and goals – and famously against Vicenza in 1947, scored a hat-trick in 180 seconds.

The closest the team came to losing that famous home record at the Filadelfia was during a match against Lazio in May 1948 when Toro overcame a 3-0 deficit to win 4-3, and on such occasions the club’s legendary trumpeter, Oreste Bolmida, would bellow from his famous horn inspiring a legendary Italian football phrase ‘il quarto d’ora Granata’ – literally ‘the maroon 15 minutes’ when the team would find an extra gear and steamroller all before them.

In the 1947-48 season Toro scored 125 goals including 89 at the Filadelfia and amassed 471 League goals in five seasons from 1945-49! The team was probably at its peak in ‘47-48 when most of its records were set, this with just 15 players featuring in the 40 League matches.

However, the statistic most commonly used to highlight the force of this side is drawn from Italy’s international victory over Ferenc Puskas’ Hungary in 1947, when all 10 outfield players came from Torino. Only goalkeeper Bacigalupo missed out, although he was capped later on.

Marco Cassardo’s excellent book on the trials and tribulations of Torino ‘Belli e dannati' – Beautiful and damned – recalls the tale of a young Torino supporter, Mario, who went to Rome to watch his team play the local Giallorossi. On his arrival at the stadium Mario was heckled by a bunch of Roma supporters promising that it would be a ‘grey day for his team’.

Mario decided to watch the match with the same Roma fans. After 18 minutes Torino were 6-0 up, eventually winning 7-0. The Roma fans purred: “Incredible, incredible.” Mario proudly responded: “Just another routine victory, just another afternoon’s work.” Being a Grande Torino supporter was a status symbol of excellence and pride.

Immediately after the tragedy, the team went on to win a fifth successive title, playing the youth team against opponents’ youth teams, the Scudetto culminating in a 4-0 win over Genoa at a wake-like atmosphere at the Filadelfia. The club took an age to re-emerge from the ashes of Superga, eventually becoming competitive in the 1960s and finally winning the championship in 1976.

Unlike Manchester United, who after the Munich air disaster grew into an international superpower, Torino have never truly recovered from the heartbreak. However, whilst the team has only fleetingly touched glory, the story of Il Grande Torino has ensured that Toro are the most scribed, nostalgic and perhaps loved of all Italian clubs.

Their history since Superga has also not been without tragedy as the premature deaths of two legends Gigi Meroni and Giorgio Ferrini testify.

The 50th anniversary of the disaster in 1999 was widely celebrated with a series of events and exhibition matches. Between then and the arrival of current President Urbano Cairo in 2005, the supporters preferred to commemorate the tragedy independently of the club which at the time was struggling in Serie B and due in part to former owner Franco Cimminelli’s famous remark: “Those Torino supporters should stop crying about Superga and move on.”

To which the common sentiment was: “A man who doesn’t understand Superga can never understand Torino.” Cimminelli led the club to bankruptcy, and no Torino owner or President will ever again belittle the club’s unique history
MizNelson
Incredible read. Thank you for posting that.
Tennie
Given that it's nearly the 60th anniversary of Superga, there's going to be a moment of silence before Fiorentina-Toro tomorrow. Nice touch.

By the way, the relegation battle in Serie A is getting interesting. #20 Reggina beat #19 Bologna 2-0 in Bologna in the early game today.
Ry4n
Ouch Samuel with a bad tackle on Zarate , Samuel gets a yellow , Zarate is playing good doing alot of solo dribbles..
Brocchi is playing probably got alot of motivation playing inter !!
Tennie
Yeah, that was a clothesline tackle. Zarate looks all right though.

The coach of the cugini looks to be losing his temper -- justly, too, as his players aren't exactly lighting the place up.
Ry4n
QUOTE (Tennie @ May 2 2009, 08:01 PM) *
The coach of the cugini looks to be losing his temper -- justly, too, as his players aren't exactly lighting the place up.


but thats good for us tongue.gif laugh.gif
han2503
How are things going? I'm watching El Classico
RinoIlCapitano
QUOTE (Ry4n @ May 2 2009, 07:08 PM) *
but thats good for us tongue.gif laugh.gif

I cant say for the whole half, but i watched the last 25min of the half and inter is very very bad, lazio is playing a lot lot better but i must also add that the referee is weird at least...

RinoIlCapitano
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 2 2009, 07:22 PM) *
How are things going? I'm watching El Classico

i am watching both biggrin.gif!
Ry4n
doesnt look like inter are playing at home they look like the away team which may meen a late winner for them or one for Lazio , 2nd half starts soon !
Tennie
If I didn't know any better, I'd say the cugini are reverting to their pre-calciopoli form (when they were known for choking and the occasional nasty tackle). They're not playing with any great inspiration or style, even for them. Lazio look pretty good though -- and Muslera has done well so far.
Ry4n
QUOTE (Tennie @ May 2 2009, 08:38 PM) *
Muslera has done well so far.


i can't imagine being a goalkeeper all that pressure and hes soo young too , looks much better since the 5 -1 last season !! hope his form continues !
Tennie
They're even doing petty things like throwing the ball in early etc. The snark has reenterd the cugini's game.
han2503
QUOTE (KakaIlCapitano @ May 2 2009, 08:25 PM) *
i am watching both biggrin.gif!

6-2 For Barca now ohmy.gif
Ry4n
haha i love this ref slows it down even more then Lazio are laugh.gif
Tennie
swear1.gif Goal Ibrahimovic.
RinoIlCapitano
this is inter, nothing with Ibra....
Ry4n
Dam you inter realmad.gif
han2503
Just as I type, 'I'm smelling a late goal from Inter' they score!!!!! Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep
CrazyMilanFan
oh so the moment i start watching this game ibra scores
RinoIlCapitano
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 2 2009, 07:52 PM) *
oh so the moment i start watching this game ibra scores

dam you biggrin.gif!
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 2 2009, 08:52 PM) *
oh so the moment i start watching this game ibra scores

TURN IT OFF!!!!



















tongue.gif tongue.gif
han2503
Does it look like we can expect a Lazio goal, or even hope for one...?
CrazyMilanFan
i have turned it off
han2503
blah

They make it 2-0

I think that's our title hope gone
Ry4n
They score again sad.gif
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 2 2009, 08:57 PM) *
i have turned it off

Did you turn it off before or after the goal?? realmad.gif realmad.gif

tongue.gif
Zed.D
We're as hopeless for the title as Madrid are. I wouldn't bother myself.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 2 2009, 09:02 PM) *
Did you turn it off before or after the goal?? realmad.gif realmad.gif

tongue.gif

before i promise
I_Rossoneri
Well so far Lazio have had a penalty denied albeit a soft one but Chivu definitely pulled on Zarate's(I think) shirt and by the letter of the law that is a penalty. Also ibracadabra was lucky not to get ared for clashing heads with Matuzalem...and they say we get the luck!

I despise the merda.
I_Rossoneri
Full time 12men of merda 2-0 Nazio.
Zed.D
Bah... there goes la merda's 4th consecutive title. can you believe it? it feels like yesterday when we mocked at the number of Inter's Scudetti. from the look of the things, even next season they remain the favorites for the title since we don't give a shite about Serie A when there is CL football and Juve just don't have what it takes to compete in two competitions, especially Serie A.
Suhail 3
Scudetto hopes just blew up !!! in the san siro !!!


O well always next season cool.gif forza milan
Zed.D
QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ May 3 2009, 01:05 AM) *
Scudetto hopes just blew up !!! in the san siro !!!


O well always next season cool.gif forza milan

Aren't you of Persian descent?
dst
QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ May 2 2009, 11:35 PM) *
O well always next season

Oh no that's the inert tifosi's phrase... I beg you not to use it again for Milan! goodheart.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ May 3 2009, 02:19 PM) *
Oh no that's the inert tifosi's phrase... I beg you not to use it again for Milan! goodheart.gif


I think that phrase (if said about Serie A) suits us better now. 1 Scudetto in a decade!! WAKE UP
Zed.D
Lecce are about my least favorite Serie A team but they made Gobbi drop 2 points so Forza Lecce
Tennie
The brawl...er, derby between Genoa and Samp has started. LOT of fouls already. Fishdoll's taking odds on who finishes with the fewest players.
Darunia
Roma is only one point ahead of Palermo with 4 games to play, they might not make Europe at all.
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