If he has an ego, he wouldn't have given up the 15% of the transfer fee he was entitled too and take a pay cut with it. He fell out with the coach and Barcelona did suffer as a whole because of it. I think the reason why his time with Barcelona went south was because of Barcelona's management, other players and staff... there were more than one feud in that team... and often they involved Samuel Eto'o and other players too...

I'm not denying that the signings have purpose.. but I disagree with the depth thing. We have alot of injury prone players so will need to call on our depth alot. Let's say Nesta-Maldini are our best CBs, I'm not sure many would argue with that, a few maybe, but I don't think it's an outrageous thing for me to say. But who do we have after that.. Kaladze and Senderos, which isn't good enough. Reputations are gained when you do the same thing often enough, and these have reputations of being error prone.

It's not complaining, it's just an opinion. Believe it or not, after seeing alot of our new signings do nothing/very little/play terrible over the last few seasons it's hard to get excited sometimes. It's not all negativity as I've said countless times that I think Flamini will be a superb signing for us, as I have a basis to believe he'll do well, unlike some of our other transfers.

I don't agree with this at all, and Senderos could be better suited for the Serie A because of its slower pace. That's simply all I'm saying.



I think this transfer season is far different. We didn't sign an Oliveira or Emerson this transfer season. We signed many players that are established. I think most, if not all, these transfers will do well for us.

Agreed on that, R10 does seem to have ego problems, which reportedly olso came into play at PSG before moving to Barca. I'm hoping that his experiance and his age will teach him some values and personally I think he's shown some signs of maturity over these past few months. As Giancarlo said, Barca's problems was too many egos, with the team seemingly split into groups and fueds. But as you said Ronaldinho is ultimately also to blame for how things went wrong. But I think a new start and a new challenge will be good for him. Not choosing Man City and their much bigger contract to me was a good signal of intent from him

Agree with you on Borriello and Abbiati. Like I said, I personally never wanted either of them back. But looking at the other keeper options I can't help but feel greatful for another option. As for Boriello, this one I especially did not want back, he's been given his chances in the past and never taken them so I don't expect him to come good now. What I'm hoping is that his goals for Genoa could be a good platform for him to atleast be good sub material for Milan

Agreed on the Sheva bit

well many people say that r80 is a gamble he was very gud 2 years ago now it is a very big gamble as for lost 2 years he have not done much but the thing is that now every trasfer is a gamble wheater CR7 moves to madrid or messi moves to inter or whatever sheva to chelsea or tiago to juve it is now more of luck that whihc player will be a success or which will be a flop all transfer are gambles whether it is 1 million or a 100 million transfer

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Giancarlo on one aspect of his comment above:



No, but we (are about to) sign a Senderos. Lack of pace isn't the guy's issue. It's that he's got dreadful positioning and, honestly, just isn't all that good. If he puts the jersey on I'll support him, but honestly? It's embarrassing to me to see him at the club. Milan has a tradition of having great defenders - the Invincibles of the Sacchi and Capello era, for example - and in no way, shape or form does Senderos come anywhere near Tassotti, Costacurta, Baresi, or Maldini in terms of skill, talent, or class.

I think our resident Arsenal fan would agree they have a fairly small and weak squad at the moment, yet Senderos is still their 5th choice CB. That itself speaks volumes about how poor he is.

Talking of Arsenal, where is Locke? I'd like to hear his opinion on this.

All I'm saying is he a good squad player, and I'm sure he'll do fine. And I think a change of team will be good for him. He's still young and he still has a great of potential.

i think r10 was rather humbled by this past season...he basically completely fell out of favor with his fans, lost his spot in the Brazil NT (prior to the olympics), and is no longer considered to be in the top 3 players in the world..He came to Milan because he knows that if he is ever going to rise to his best again, it will be here and nowhere else. we did not overpay for him, nor are we over paying him. The purchase itself was a shrewd purchase. It's a two year deal so if he has lost it he'll be gone soon, simple as that..We are not buying the Dinho of 05, so expecting him to be that is UNREALISTIC. But he is probably JUST as good as Clarence is and that does us absolutely no harm.

Flamini was the real buy of this market. he'll be here for a LONG time.

I'd rather have Borriello over Gila. Borriello can actually dribble and doesnt flop down every time someone taps his back..and he actually has a decent shot from distance.

Zambrotta will probably play better than Oddo so that's an upgrade.

Abiatti will player better than Dida or Kalac.

Senderos will provide better than average cover when called upon.

Now when Janku is injured Antonini can play..and William Shakespeare is a third option.

Sheva? the definition of a quick fix. He's no Benzema, but he'll fit RIGHT in..and we already got a hot prospect in the form of Pato. So now we got good veterans in Shev and Fillipo..Pato and Marco are our young guns.

Depth IS there..and there are upgrades abound.

I don't think you'll see anyone come close to those players you mention in the last decade and neighter in the coming one. Maybe Nesta, but still when you say someone like Maldini and Barsei, you simply can't compare, legends of the game

As for Senderos, I think he's a good back up certainly not the world class center back that we need. But I think getting to experiance playing with defenders like Nesta and Maldini, he'll learn quite a few things. Yes his positioning is cr@p most of the time, but he's still young there's still room for learning and most of all improvment. Personally I'm holding all judgment for after I've seen him play in the Serie A. Yes he's error prone, but if you were to ask me which I would choose between him and Kaladze I would go for Senderos.

I'd prefer Darmian over both of 'em, han. I like the kid, he's shown potential.

I'm with you on that, but realistically speaking, we all know that Carlo won't play him unless it's a Coppa match

It almost makes me cry... The kid has so much potential!

I think he needs to develop a bit more. Don't get me wrong... I think he's a potential star in the making...

Apparently Pavlyuchenko has gone to Spurs, well, that's the rumour anyways.

Surely. He has a whole lotta things to learn but I don't think playing him is more of a risk than playing Kaladze is...

Agreed.

If Milan sign Senderos, then Milan knows what its doing ... There is no point in arguing if the club has lost its marbles, this is a very well conducted transfer window .. Who was Flamini at Arsenal before last season ?! He was THE bench warmer for the then captain Gilberto Silva, because he was never good enough in the past. Now he has grown and matured and showed us all last season that he is good at what he does, and now he plays for Milan.

Maybe for Senderos, things will turn out better at Milan, when he gets to rub shoulders with the best in the business .. Let the kid get his chance first and then judge him.

Though I would definitely class him right after Kakha in the picking order atm.

Your point just killed all the arguments we've been having bout Senderos...Like u just hit the nail on the head..He's still young...Some people develop quick and some people don't..If milan signs him..they know wat they doing and i support that...

true luca toni is a very gud example of that

no one found the picture of wenger amusing

I did. He looks very much like my uncle. Who died three years back on August 24. He was from both my mother side, and fathers too (cousin). The resemblance is striking, I'll probably try and get some picture of him and post them here. The first time I saw Wegner, I was like: Whoa!

Great picture, though.

If you think Luca Toni is developed, you need some counseling. The guy is the worst Italian striker since, since all time. Looks great though, but needs a perfect system to score (as in Bayern). And then too he'll score headers and slight nudges, with an occasional class goal.

Italy got booted out of Euros 2008 because they depended on this guy. Pirlo pass to Toni, and goal, that's what they thought. Obviously, it didn't work diddlysquat.

Hrm. Tuttomercatoweb is reporting that Paloschi may go to PARMA.

italy system mite not have suited him but in bayern and voila ( 30 goals is serie A ) sums up everything but yea for italy specially in euro he was crap

parma is a very gud place to devlop i think we should send him

My point exactly. Bayern (and Fiorentina) played their game to his liking. And he prospered there. Not that he's a bad player by any stretch of imagination. But the sooner people understand that he's not to be trusted as Italy's finest striker, the better.

Actually, Calciomercato is also reporting Paloschi --> Parma. They say they're getting it from Sky Italia.

and the deal is supposed to be loan or co-ownership??

Ugh. Co-ownership, at least according to Sky Italia.

Diddlysquat.

Good. Establish a good relationship with Parma and have them offer us Cigarini!

But not for Paloschi?? I mean, why do we have to make a co-ownership deal?

for him we have to setablsih a relationship with parma and atlanta

He's half-Atalanta? Damn, they usually offload their talents to the Zebras..

yea will be playing for atlanta this season

In Serie A, they don't want prospects on loan...they'll insist on a co-ownership. It's an Italy thing. That's how I've understood it.

You're absolutely right. I think Senderos does have the potential to grow into a solid defender. He's not the most agile... but he can learn a lot from our experienced defense. The reason why he was not learning at Arsenal that fast was because Arsenal's backline is younger than Milans. I think with Nesta and Maldini, he can learn quite a bit. Hence why I did change my position on this matter.

That's very general and not fair to Luca Toni one bit. Luca Toni is not a crap striker. What happened to him was this: Fatigue. That's what happened to a few of our players. He had a very difficult season where much was put on his shoulders. He's a fine finisher and one of the best Italian strikers since Paolo Rossi (yes that's stretching it, but it's what I think). He had an intensive campaign and a very intensive UEFA Cup.

I don't put any blame on him for what happened during the Euro Cup.

Well..when you consider every striker has been coming off the end of the season, it's not an excuse is it?

Not discrediting Toni's ability as a striker, but the fact is, he was put in the team as the main offensive threat, and he failed miserably and in connection so did Italy. He was the not the only cause for Italy's dismal Euros, but he was one of the causes.

Just like the golden quadrant flopping in the WC, put the blame on Ronaldinho and Ronaldo...

I think what happened was more related to the tactics (or lack of) of Donadoni... I found his formation and enthusiasm as a coach lacking.

The call-up was just inappropriate too. There was some call to have Inzaghi called up so he could be that Schillaci like super-sub (he wouldn't have to play full games, but calling up Borriello over him was inappropriate). I also think since the other problem was Donadoni kept playing Toni even though his form was slumping... and did not take a chance with Borriello.

Parma is the best place for him,but most of the times Parma players is very good for Juve!

paloschi moves to parma on cownership it is official now

It'll be best for him. I'm for co-ownership because it would give him more confidence to do what he has to do.

I dunno why....but I agree with this. People on MF wanted a strong guy in defense since Stam left in 2006. And here is Senderos a strong, but not so agile guy. He's still young and can learn from the best there is. (@dst...it's not Kaldaze)


True. He's a great striker and has unique abilities when it comes to finishes. I have no idea what happened to him at the Euros but he was not the Luca Toni I've seen during the entire last Bundesliga season.Maybe it was a dangerous mixture of fatigue and bad luck

A.C.MILAN COMUNICATO UFFICIALE
27/08/2008
MILANO - L'A.C. Milan comunica che il calciatore Alberto Paloschi è stato ceduto in compartecipazione all'F.C. Parma.


so it's official, maybe parma is the best of all options...he'll get chance for sure

I still remember some members saying Milan won't reinforce with more than 3 or 4 players, overhauling is not what Milan do, etc. our transfer moves surprised even them, let alone me. I think we did great and like Galliani said, it's Carlo's responsibility to deliver results from now on. I strongly believe anything less than the Scudetto will cost him his job.

PARMA?? why a Serie B team it's a huge step backwards for him...

I don't think so. Parma is/was a good club. And there he'll get the start most of the times. In a SerieA club, he might not have gotten a gauranteed firstXI start.