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CrazyMilanFan
kovac maybe but one form canini and zapata will be gr8
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 23 2008, 10:50 PM) *
Ivanovic is a no go. We've used our two non-EU spaces on Viudez and Shevchenko. If a defender is to come in, he must have an EU passport.

Well that probably leaves us with Standardo, who I'm all for if it meas getting rid of Brocchi

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Galliani vuol dire sincerità: un 180% diventato 200%

"Ronaldinho e Shevchenko arriveranno al Milan al 180%": così si lasciava sfuggire di bocca Adriano Galliani il giorno 11 aprile, due giorni prima delle elezioni politiche italiane. Ovviamente, come succede spesso con le dichiarazioni di un personaggio nel mirino come Adriano Galliani, via alle strumentalizzazioni: "Galliani parla così per tirare la campagna elettorale a Berlusconi" azzarda qualcuno, "Ci prendono in giro" risponde qualcunaltro, mentre Moratti dichiara che "Ronaldinho non si muoverà senza il consenso dell'Inter". Immaginiamo di essere di tornare oggi da una vacanza durata quattro mesi e mezzo: il Gaucho ha già posato con la sua maglia numero 80 da ormai settimane mentre Sheva è solo da poche ore stato liberato dalla dorata prigione del Chelsea. Ebbene, non stiamo qui a sindacare (lo abbia fatto, lo facciamo e lo faremo in altri pezzi, perchè è questo, per quanto sgradito ed a volte fuori luogo, il compito del giornalista) la validità, la convenienza e il rendimento (per questo, ci vorrebbe un oracolo) dei due colpi messi a segno: ma nel calcio di oggi, fatto di schermaglie, pretattica e bugie, fa sicuramente sensazione l'innocente verità dell'amministratore delegato rossonero. Certo in mezzo, le oscillazioni sono state tante: Adebayor, Eto'o, Drogba, Sheva alla Samp, Sheva alla Roma, Sheva al Chelsea ancora a lungo, Sheva ai Galaxy addirittura. Nonostante tutto, alla fine, in rossonero ci sono Ronaldinho Gaucho ed Andriy Shevchenko, assieme ad altri sette giocatori (e speriamo tutti che ne arrivi un ottavo, un grande difensore) nuovi o tornati dai prestiti: "Arriveranno sette, otto giocatori nuovi" aveva confessato l'ormai "voce ufficiale della verità" di Via Turati. Giornalisti (me compreso, e recito il mea culpa) scatenati quando gli acquisti, dopo Zambrotta, Ronaldinho, Flamini, Abbiati ed Antonini, sembravano essere finiti: "Ma come signor Galliani, aveva detto sette-otto" incalzavano i colleghi nella sala stampa di Milanello, durante il primo giorno di raduno. Ebbene Adriano Galliani in quell'occasione una doppia bugia, la disse: "Avevo detto cinque o sei, se non sbaglio: in ogni caso il mercato è chiuso ora" rispose con un ghigno strano il numero 1 dell'organigramma rossonero. Ma le bugie a fin di bene, si sa, vengono perdonate ed oggi quelle dichiarazioni suonano proprio come uno scherzetto agli addetti ai lavori: quest'anno, c'è da ammetterlo, la palma di miglior giornalista di mercato va per distacco... Ad Adriano Galliani: condivisibili o no, lui le sue previsioni, le ha azzeccate con quasi 150 giorni d'anticipo.


When you get some time can you translate this Tennie? Pretty pls
CrazyMilanFan
this is abt the waht gallaii said months ago that 180 percent sheva and R80 join milan now it is proved
Tennie
(gah, I hate when they write in one big block. In any event, here you go han. because the fish doll thinks the penguins are cute. 96.gif 96.gif 96.gif )

"Ronaldinho and Shevchenko will arrive at Milan at 180%". This phrase left the mouth of Adriano Galilani on April 11, 2 days before the Italian elecitons. Obviously, as happens with statements of a person in the spotlight like Galliani, people speak to motivations: "Galliani's saying that to give Berlusconi the elecitons," guesse some, "They're taking us shopping," respond others, while Moratti declares that "Ronaldinho won't move without Inter's approval." Imagine returning today form a 4.5 month vacation: Il Gaucho has already posed with his #80 jersey some weeks ago while Sheva is only a few hours free from his golden prison at Chelsea. Well, we're not here to inspect (we do it sometimes and we'll do it again, because that is the lot of a journalist) the validity, the convenience and the yield (for this we'd want an oracle) of the two signings: but in today's fotoball, made up of skirmishes, pretactics and lies, the innocent truth of the director general of Milan is a sensation. Certainly there were oscilattions in between: Adebayor, Eto'o, Drogba, Sheva to Samp, Sheva to Roma, Sheva staying at Chelsea, Sheva to the Galaxy. Despite it all at the end, Ronaldinho Gaucho and Andriy Shevchenko are in rossonero, together with another seven players (and everyone hopes that an 8th will arrive, a great devender) who are new or returning from loan. "Seven or eight new players will arrive" confessed the would0be 'official voice of truth' of Via Turati. Journalists (including me, and I'll say 'mea culpa') were stirred up when the acquisitions, after Zambrotta, Ronaldinho, Flamini, Abbiati and Antonini seemed finished: 'But Signor Galliani said seven or eight," we said in the press room at Milanello, during the first day of training. Well, Galliani, in this occasion using a double lie, said, "I said 5 or 6, if I'm not mistaken. In any case the market is onw closed," responded the #1 in the Rossoneri organization with a strange sneer. But the lies were to a good purpose, and will be pardoned and today these declarations play like a joke to those used to the work: this year, admittedly, the award for best market forecast journalist goes to Adriano Galliani: sharable or not, he and his guesses were right 150 days in advance.

Giancarlo
Yeah his guesses were correct for sure. He made all the right moves with less money. The transfer season was very impressive, and I'm still a bit shocked at this whole summer... it may have to do with the fact that previous transfer seasons have been less than impressive. Excluding Pato, there isn't much to note about previous mercatos. I mean we got a player like Emerson not too long ago and that was it... management went with the assumption the team was alright, but in reality there was depth issues.
Bluesummers
hes the number 1 bull******* in the world.

Naughty word removed.
Giancarlo
The unreliable goal.com has linked us to Radoslav Kovac.

http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=831662

I personally think Kovac has a wealth of experience (dating back to the 2006 World Cup). I also think he has few injuries and is reliable. But beyond that I'm not super knowledgeable about him.

The other upside about him is he is Czech, meaning he's an EU citizen, but he would only cost Milan a reported 5 million.... well within our price range. He's 28 years old. He's not too old, but not too inexperienced.

I saw we get him. Forget Senderos. This is the guy we should go for.

Not only that he reminds me of Mexes. We could use a tall blonde defender... he's a staggering 6'3" and powerful aerially I hear.

CrazyMilanFan
we defintly need a defender who is strong in air
Bluesummers
it doesnt matter hes a par below kaladze at best.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 24 2008, 07:53 AM) *
The unreliable goal.com has linked us to Radoslav Kovac.

http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=831662

I personally think Kovac has a wealth of experience (dating back to the 2006 World Cup). I also think he has few injuries and is reliable. But beyond that I'm not super knowledgeable about him.

The other upside about him is he is Czech, meaning he's an EU citizen, but he would only cost Milan a reported 5 million.... well within our price range. He's 28 years old. He's not too old, but not too inexperienced.

I saw we get him. Forget Senderos. This is the guy we should go for.

Not only that he reminds me of Mexes. We could use a tall blonde defender... he's a staggering 6'3" and powerful aerially I hear.


I wouldn't call someone who plays 2-3 years for his national team very experienced. And I still miss any explanation what would be better with this guy? I saw him two or three times play and didn't mention any Serie A or Milan quality. He's a typical bench-sitter who'll play Coppa matches. We don't need him.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 24 2008, 08:22 AM) *
it doesnt matter hes a par below kaladze at best.


Who Kovac? i hear he's pretty solid and reliable... Kaladze is great when he's in good form... when he's not in good form... he makes many mistakes.
CrazyMilanFan
gusy what is this kaka option for chelsea in sheva deal i mean we are not that stupid but is that possible goal and C4 are reporting it
kurtsimonw
There may be a first option thing in the deal. But that will mean IF - and a very big if, at that - we ever do decide to sell Kaka'/he wants to leave, they will get first choice in signing him. Nothing to worry about really even if that option is included in the deal.
Tennie
C4 are speculating about it because the details of the Sheva deal haven't been made public. I dont' think there's any real evidence for it, though.
CrazyMilanFan
yea i think that chelsea sold sheva bcoz the are now certain toget robinho
Il Capitano
It's like what Kurt said, if we don't decide to sell Kaka the option will be worthless.
CrazyMilanFan
althoguh it is tutto sports but they are saying that paalochi and borrilleo are on market i think we invested quite a lot in getting back borrilleo we should not let him go bcoz we got pippo who will get injured sheva has done quite poor in last 2 season so i think it will be better if we do keep borrilleo with us and give him a chance as well
Tennie
It's not just Tuttosport, CMF. Mediaset is speculating that Borriello may be on his way out too, the possible destinations to include Roma and Genoa.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 24 2008, 12:46 PM) *
It's not just Tuttosport, CMF. Mediaset is speculating that Borriello may be on his way out too, the possible destinations to include Roma and Genoa.

oh that makes it even worse that will mena that we will be left with one in box stiker agian if this happens dry.gif
Fillipo Simone
If Paloschi and Borriello leave at same time,... we're insane. What's the last team winning a scudetto with 3 strikers in their roster? Inter in the 60-ties?
acid911
They shouldn't leave. Period. smile.gif As much as people like to think otherwise, Inzagh+Sheva = 1 striker. Age. Pato+Paloschi = 1 striker. Experience. Or lack of. That leaves us with Borriello = 1 striker. There is no guarantee that some of these fine chaps will get injured through the season.

We'd much rather wrap the Scudetto and put it out for auction if it came to loaning out our strike force, or whatever that's left of it. tongue.gif Keep them both in. And bring Ronaldo if he gets fit enough. And say hello to UEFA Cup, Scudetto. And CL entry next year. More strikers, more choices in rotating the squad. We're still playing in the UEFA Cup, it's not like we finished 10th.

Now don't do anything stupid, Fester. Not after you've done some good, finally. dry.gif
Giancarlo
Sure we will sell you Kaka, and I will jump and down if I win the lottery. Big "Ifs". Don't worry about this even if it is included. If Kaka doesn't want to go, the option means nothing.

We have an adequate amount of strikers... 4 is definitely enough. I think we are well covered with regards to strikers. I do not think Borriello is leaving. He knows full well that Inzaghi can't play most of the games...
dst
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2008, 02:54 PM) *
If Paloschi and Borriello leave at same time,... we're insane. What's the last team winning a scudetto with 3 strikers in their roster? Inter in the 60-ties?

Paloschi must be loaned out cause he ain't going to get much playing time but... if we let go of Borriello then why did we get Sheva? We need all four of Pato, Pippo, Sheva, Borriello... that's how we're going to win...
acid911
I don't know about you, but I've seen teams have 6 pure strikers in the squad. huh.gif We can't even accommodate 5, when two of them have well seen their 30th birthday. One hasn't even seen his 20th.

I'd keep Paloschi if I had my way. wink.gif We can always loan him out if need be in the winter window. But he'll have his uses in the Coppa games, the UEFA Cups, and when some of our hitmen get injured.
dst
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:22 PM) *
I'd keep Paloschi if I had my way. wink.gif We can always loan him out if need be in the winter window. But he'll have his uses in the Coppa games, the UEFA Cups, and when some of our hitmen get injured.

He has the potential to become a very good player and he's never going to get there by playing once in two months...
Giancarlo
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 24 2008, 03:25 PM) *
He has the potential to become a very good player and he's never going to get there by playing once in two months...


I completely agree with you. It would only be fair and productive if Paloschi gets regular playing time. Young players can't develop without it.
acid911
We need to rotate players. We need to keep them fit. We need to teach Paloschi the Milan philosphy. cool.gif He won't learn squat if we loan him to a smaller club in Serie B. Or A. Believe me, I'd have wanted a loan for him too, but now's not the time. It's not like we've got guys like Drogba, Benzama, Ronaldo, Gomez, Torres in the team.

My honest and humble $0.02. smile.gif Loan him out if need be in the winter window. The way things are we can never tell when someone might get injured. Or out of form. Plus, we've got UEFA Cup games too besides Serie A. And more.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 24 2008, 03:44 PM) *
We need to rotate players. We need to keep them fit. We need to teach Paloschi the Milan philosphy. cool.gif He won't learn squat if we loan him to a smaller club in Serie B. Or A. Believe me, I'd have wanted a loan for him too, but now's not the time. It's not like we've got guys like Drogba, Benzama, Ronaldo, Gomez, Torres in the team.

My honest and humble $0.02. smile.gif Loan him out if need be in the winter window. The way things are we can never tell when someone might get injured. Or out of form. Plus, we've got UEFA Cup games too besides Serie A. And more.


We would have 5 strikers... I don't think he'll hardly get any playing time. The Coppa Italia simply isn't enough... it wouldn't be fair to him.
acid911
5 is sexy. tongue.gif When you keep in mind that guys like Inzaghi and Sheva aren't exactly the fastest around. He can come in every game to add pace after the 60-70th minute. Trust me. I hope he stays. Milan for life. A one-man club.

There are other transfer windows we can see loaning him out. If need be. But I'd rather be safe than sorry. When it comes to injuries to our strikers, at least.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 24 2008, 02:53 PM) *
5 is sexy. tongue.gif When you keep in mind that guys like Inzaghi and Sheva aren't exactly the fastest around. He can come in every game to add pace after the 60-70th minute. Trust me. I hope he stays. Milan for life. A one-man club.

There are other transfer windows we can see loaning him out. If need be. But I'd rather be safe than sorry. When it comes to injuries to our strikers, at least.


I do get your point. Inzaghi technically won't be able to play most matches, and may even be saved just for the big ones and perhaps the UEFA Cup.

Either way, I still there are some things we should do in this transfer season. Including sell Brocchi...
acid911
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 24 2008, 08:02 PM) *
I do get your point. Inzaghi technically won't be able to play most matches, and may even be saved just for the big ones and perhaps the UEFA Cup.

Either way, I still there are some things we should do in this transfer season. Including sell Brocchi...

+100000000000000000000000000000. Pardon the commas. biggrin.gif It's not the Brocch is anyway near the worst player of all time. It's just that Carlo uses him too much, when there are better and younger alternatives available.
misha
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 24 2008, 06:08 PM) *
It's not the Brocch is anyway near the worst player of all time. It's just that Carlo uses him too much, when there are better and younger alternatives available.

Exactly. He can be a good 4th choice but Carlo trust him way too much...
acid911
QUOTE (misha @ Aug 24 2008, 08:10 PM) *
Exactly. He can be a good 4th choice but Carlo trust him way too much...

Ditto. Even a 3rd choice if the times are bad. biggrin.gif But not the way Carlo uses him. No, sir. Everyone I know that supports Milan is in agreement of this. Lazio, here we come!
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 24 2008, 03:08 PM) *
+100000000000000000000000000000. Pardon the commas. biggrin.gif It's not the Brocch is anyway near the worst player of all time. It's just that Carlo uses him too much, when there are better and younger alternatives available.


I'd much rather we give him up and get Stendardo instead or something along that lines... or sell him completely and get Kovac (from Spartak was it?).

Actually I think I like the second option more. Sell him for like 3-4 million, and use that money for Kovac's transfer. Our midfield is congested as it is. I think Ancelotti has more options to choose from than Brocchi now.
acid911
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 24 2008, 08:45 PM) *
I'd much rather we give him up and get Stendardo instead or something along that lines... or sell him completely and get Kovac (from Spartak was it?).

Actually I think I like the second option more. Sell him for like 3-4 million, and use that money for Kovac's transfer. Our midfield is congested as it is. I think Ancelotti has more options to choose from than Brocchi now.

Yes. Spartak Moscow. cool.gif Agree with you on all counts. Plus, he will cost only 5m, which is a risk Milan management is willing to take. Hopefully. Particularly if they offload Brocchi.
Rossoneri7
Ok boys & girls ... some might call this fantacalcio ...

But I think Borriello will move to Roma and Mexes will be the defender coming to Milan.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (misha @ Aug 24 2008, 11:10 AM) *
Exactly. He can be a good 4th choice but Carlo trust him way too much...

+ 1
Well put, and not only way too much, but also at the wrong times.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:48 PM) *
Ok boys & girls ... some might call this fantacalcio ...

But I think Borriello will move to Roma and Mexes will be the defender coming to Milan.

Galliani, make this happen plz!
misha
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 24 2008, 09:25 PM) *
Galliani, make this happen plz!

+1. That would be a good deal. Mexes is a much better defender than these we are linked with, while insted of Borriello we'll keep Paloschi in the squad.
vahid
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 24 2008, 04:48 PM) *
Ok boys & girls ... some might call this fantacalcio ...

But I think Borriello will move to Roma and Mexes will be the defender coming to Milan.


I'm sure Roma wouldn't do such thing like this.Mexes is one of the best defenders is Italy and Borriello isn't any thing yet!
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 24 2008, 09:18 PM) *
Ok boys & girls ... some might call this fantacalcio ...

But I think Borriello will move to Roma and Mexes will be the defender coming to Milan.

Definitely fantacalcio sad.gif that'd be like the best transfer window ever if that happened.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 24 2008, 07:25 PM) *
Galliani, make this happen plz!


Wow... trade out Borriello... and be left with three strikers? I want to give Borriello a chance, and I think we shouldn't be giving up a striker for a defender. Lets just buy Kovac and call it a day.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 24 2008, 08:58 PM) *
Wow... trade out Borriello... and be left with three strikers? I want to give Borriello a chance, and I think we shouldn't be giving up a striker for a defender. Lets just buy Kovac and call it a day.

I sort of agree with what you're saying. 3 strikers doesn't sound alot, especially when one is so young. But you have to remember that along with those 3 strikers, we have Kaka' and Ronaldinho who in the past have got around 15 goals in the league.

For example, look at Chelsea. People think they have too many attacking players. When in reality they have 2 strikers, only one proven. Di Santo is a new kid, he hasn't ever played in the EPL and Anelka is their only senior striker. Drogba is clearly on his way out.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 24 2008, 09:02 PM) *
I sort of agree with what you're saying. 3 strikers doesn't sound alot, especially when one is so young. But you have to remember that along with those 3 strikers, we have Kaka' and Ronaldinho who in the past have got around 15 goals in the league.


But we still need more strikers up front... Borriello is a kind of striker we may need as a good solid back-up... he still has yet to prove himself, but I think it would rash to sell him right after we spent 10 million on him. That was perhaps a gamble, but if we sold him right away we would not find out.

QUOTE
For example, look at Chelsea. People think they have too many attacking players. When in reality they have 2 strikers, only one proven. Di Santo is a new kid, he hasn't ever played in the EPL and Anelka is their only senior striker. Drogba is clearly on his way out.


Well I look at Inter and say they have too many strikers.

I think we should err on the side of caution when it comes to strikers. Inzaghi is not getting younger, Pato needs some work, and Shevchenko well needs to prove himself again. I'd much rather more than less.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 24 2008, 09:05 PM) *
I'd much rather more than less.

Same. In this case, keep Boriello, and part with many of our euro's to buy Mr. Mexes!
Giancarlo
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 24 2008, 09:11 PM) *
Same. In this case, keep Boriello, and part with many of our euro's to buy Mr. Mexes!


I don't think that Roma would give him up...
Zed.D
(How 'bout Metzelder? anyone rates him?)
Giancarlo
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 24 2008, 09:14 PM) *
(How 'bout Metzelder? anyone rates him?)


After the Euro 2008, I don't think I'd want any German defender. Not even Lahm.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 24 2008, 09:14 PM) *
(How 'bout Metzelder? anyone rates him?)

Can't say I'm a fan..

I would prefer to buy somebody from another Serie A club primarily and only look elsewhere if we REALLY have to.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 25 2008, 12:45 AM) *
After the Euro 2008, I don't think I'd want any German defender. Not even Lahm.



QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 25 2008, 12:47 AM) *
Can't say I'm a fan..

I would prefer to buy somebody from another Serie A club primarily and only look elsewhere if we REALLY have to.


At least he's better than Senderos...!
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