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LaPalma
QUOTE (m1ke @ Jun 23 2008, 12:25 PM)
If we're talking about overrated players, let's throw Schweinsteiger into the mix. C4 is reporting (pinch of salt etc etc..) that Milan are ready to trigger his release clause of £17m.

Schweinsteiger and Adebayor - help!  unsure.gif
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Schweinsteiger overrated? Hmm..right now...definitely. But I'm still convinced that Schweini is a very talented guy. But at Bayern he won't be able to use his full potential. But 17 million pounds? laugh.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (m1ke @ Jun 23 2008, 02:55 PM)
Schweinsteiger and Adebayor - help!  unsure.gif
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Personally I would welcome Podolski, but not Schweinsteiger [puke.gif].
morgoth
After Gourcuff, Bordeaux snatched Yoan Gouffran, another young French talent, if they keep like that they'll have a great squad next year smile.gif

PSG's new president, said that he doesn't want their goal keeper M.Landreau, in my opinion Landreau is a good keeper his only problem is the pressure considering he made several mistakes in Paris, but with the defence they had who can really blame him!

According to Sky Newcastle are very interested in Aimar ohmy.gif Personally I think he's past his peak and wouldn't do very good in the EPL, but you never know ...

Schewi to Milan? I think it's bs wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2008, 11:24 AM)
Upgrade to Seedorf and Ambrosini? Sure. But that does not mean he goes much higher then "above average". Santi Cazorla would also be and upgrade, Gourcuff is an upgrade...but. You're mixing apples with oranges. Both Massimo and Clarence are past their prime. Ambrosini is in a renaissance period cause he managed to survive one season without injuries and got playing time. But Seedorf was a hell of a player at Ajax, Real Madrid and Holland. Wesley's now 24 and still not on the level Clarence was at that period, and I'm curious to see what a player Sneijder's gonna be with 34.

But what's that all about Sneijder? What's his brilliance? I mean, when the team needed him the most - against Russia, were Hollands mid was loosing a hard battle minute after minute he just sulked over a FK that Persie took instead of him and managed to shoot about 10 times in a row off target. Well, that's not what they needed. They needed possesion, the needed passes and time with the ball. What Wesley gave to Russia is space for counter strikes that exhausted Hollands week wingers and fullbacks. But okay, it's just one match.

Any way. Sure he's good. But do you know what it means to be above average? That's the Pirlo, Seedorf, Leonardo, Zola, etc. level. That's not were Wesley belongs.
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It's not mixing apples with oranges, I'm talking about finding a suitable replacement for the players we currently have. Seedorf was amazing back in his day and Ambro used his brain more also. But what good do past performances do us now. We can't just continue to let these players be our starters for the next 3-4 years just because of sentimental reasons or past reputations. It will only harm Milan in the end.

You're basing your apparent dislike of him on just one performance where it wasn't just him that performed below par? All of the Holland players performed as such not just Sneijder.

Those players you mentioned to me are world class, above average imo is saying that they are good but not of a certain caliber. To me Sneijder is class, maybe not on the level as Pirlo or the Seedorf of old, but compared to the Seedorf that has been coming out on the pitch for the last couple of seasons for Milan Sneijder is definately an upgrade in terms of quality being offered. And don't think about the Seedorf that played for Ajax, or even the Seedorf that played for us just 3 seasons ago, I'm talking about the Seedorf that has been jogging around the pitch for these last 2 seasons doing nothing useful, that is unless he decides he wants to play on that day. Imo that is not good enough for Milan, and Sneijder would be the perfect replacement for him.

As for Ambro, I'm hoping that Flamini will show the form he showed for Arsenal last season and can combine with Pirlo the same way he did with Fabregas. Ambro is too irrational, he's not a smart player that we can rely on. And add to that the fact that he's injury prone, I'm for once glad that we bought another defensive mid

QUOTE (m1ke @ Jun 23 2008, 11:25 AM)
If we're talking about overrated players, let's throw Schweinsteiger into the mix. C4 is reporting (pinch of salt etc etc..) that Milan are ready to trigger his release clause of £17m.

Schweinsteiger and Adebayor - help!  unsure.gif
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Double help ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 23 2008, 11:18 AM)
we are linked with Bastian Schweinsteiger and so is chelsea dont know if he can reproduce his country form he was not gud in bayern last season......
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With all due respect to Austria and Poland.. Germany have only played against two real worthy teams so far, so you'd expect a MINIMUM of 2 good performances, he's only had 1 good showing so far. So to say he's been even average in this tournement would be an over-statement in my opinion.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 23 2008, 04:07 PM)
You're basing your apparent dislike of him on just one performance where it wasn't just him that performed below par? All of the Holland players performed as such not just Sneijder.
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No I am not. Actually I said this is just an example, that is in revent terms. Do you want more of these examples? I saw Ajax-PSV couple of years ago, I saw him play for Holland in 2006... He is just unreliable. He can make brilliant FK and assists from dead balls. That's his biggest plus. Is he a prospect? Yes. Can he perform more? Maybe. Is he a complete midfielder? NO. Most certainly not. He isn't balanced enough.

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We can't just continue to let these players be our starters for the next 3-4 years just because of sentimental reasons or past reputations

Exactly. We could have signed a couple of average guys like Rommedahl or Solari (just the first I could think of) and be relaxed for the next 2-3 years. But now we must buy backup players AND potential starters. The most frustrating thing is that we didn't use this crisis to introduce new players, like most big clubs do. But I just said Sneijder is overrated. For me he's nothing special. No fantastic add, no world class signing.

And yes you are mixing up things:
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Seedorf that has been jogging around the pitch for these last 2 seasons doing nothing useful, that is unless he decides he wants to play on that day. Imo that is not good enough for Milan, and Sneijder would be the perfect replacement for him.


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especially Ambro, Sneijder would be great playing in that position and would take half of the creative burden from Pirlo's shoulders


You see..first you said he would be ideal for the Ambro position, then you said he would be ideal to replace Seedorf.

Okay, and what's between above average and world class?
And you never proved or convinced me why shouldn't I consider him a "above average" player. Did he anything spectacular?
aLbErTo
how bout we try to snap Klasnic, he's a free player this summer...he's not a "top class" striker, but could do great i think
Tennie
Interesting little snippet in Tuttomercatoweb. An Italian journalist spoke with the agent of Klaas Jan Huntelaar. The agent said that he'd mentioned the names of the Italian clubs interested in Huntelaar's services. When the merda were mentioned, the response was 'a nerazzurra destination is not appreciated' (literal translation.)

Score one for Huntelaar. 96.gif
Ry4n
One word !!! ( RESPECT )

inter will always be a step down to far lool
morgoth
Zebina is very close on joining Galatasaray, which means that Simic could stay in Italy ...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (morgoth @ Jun 23 2008, 06:39 PM)
Zebina is very close on joining Galatasaray, which means that Simic could stay in Italy ...
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Ohhh, Å imić won't move to Turkey, belive me... dry.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2008, 11:52 AM)
Ohhh, Å imić won't move to Turkey, belive me... dry.gif
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kurtsimonw
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Andrei Arshavin: I want to play in La Liga

Andrei Arshavin has dealt Arsenal and Chelsea a huge setback in their pursuit of him after the Russian playmaker said he is ready to turn down any offers from England in favour of a move to Spain.

Arshavin, 27, has enjoyed a successful Euro 2008 so far, earning the admiration of Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, who is keen to bolster his attacking options at the Emirates next season with both Emmanuel Adebayor and Alexander Hleb set to be heading to Barcelona, while Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has also registered an interest in the £10 million-rated player.

 
From Russia with love: Zenit's Andrei Arshavin is coveted by a host of top Premier League clubs

However, Arshavin has admitted the lure of Spain's La Liga is far more of an appealing prospect than the Premier League and Germany, where he has also attracted interest from several Bundesliga sides.

He said: "I know that I have offers from England and Germany, but what I would really like is to play in the Spanish League, in the Primera Division.

"It is the championship I've always followed, I like the football they play there. But, at the moment, I don't have any offers from Spain."

Arshavin won the Uefa Cup with his current club Zenit St Petersburg last season, but the Russian outfit are resigned to losing their star man with Arsenal and Chelsea ready to invoke a £10m release clause in the player's contract, although according to Russian Football Federation president Vitaly Butko, Arshavin has his heart set on a "dream" move to Barcelona this summer.

With Arsenal set to capture the signing of France's highly promising forward Samir Nasri this week from Marseille, Wenger has not abandoned hope of landing Arshavin after completing a £12m raid on his homeland.

He said: "The eye is always looking at who can strengthen Arsenal. Mainly I would say that you discovered only Russian players at this tournament because you see them playing less. All the others you know."

Last month, Zenit coach **** Advocat conceded his club were resigned to losing the in-demand attacker and that Arshavin had already begun taking English beginner classes to accelerate a move.

Speaking before Russia's quarter-final victory over Holland, Advocat said: "Andrei has told us he wishes to change clubs, although at present in the way of offers it is quiet."

But Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is ready to scupper any bid from Arsenal and has reportedly advised new manager Luiz Felipe Scolari to end his interest in Barcelona playmaker Deco, who at £12m is believed to be Scolari's favoured first transfer signing at Stamford Bridge, and concentrate on getting Arshavin.

Daily Telegraph

Poor Zenit. He wants to play in Spain and has a £10m release clause. Bargain for whichever side picks him up at that price.
Tennie
Fyi the Arshavin quote about liking La Liga comes from an interview supposedly given to 'As', which is not necessarily the most reliable of sources.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 23 2008, 02:33 PM)
Fyi the Arshavin quote about liking La Liga comes from an interview supposedly given to 'As', which is not necessarily the most reliable of sources.
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Thats what I was thinking! smile.gif
kurtsimonw
I like how the forum Censors out the managers name 'D!ck Advocaat'. biggrin.gif
Tennie
QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Jun 23 2008, 12:54 PM)
how bout we try to snap Klasnic, he's a free player this summer...he's not a "top class" striker, but could do great i think
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There was an article in Gazzetta late last week (Thursday, I think). Apparently Napoli are looking at Klasnic.

It'd be great to see him playing in Italy!
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2008, 04:34 PM)
No I am not. Actually I said this is just an example, that is in revent terms. Do you want more of these examples? I saw Ajax-PSV couple of years ago, I saw him play for Holland in 2006... He is just unreliable. He can make brilliant FK and assists from dead balls. That's his biggest plus. Is he a prospect? Yes. Can he perform more? Maybe. Is he a complete midfielder? NO. Most certainly not. He isn't balanced enough.
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Well are Gattuso and Pirlo balanced? I don't personally see them as such, Seedorf is that type of player yes, but he needs to be replaced, and maybe Sneijder is not the exact same clone rolleyes.gif but he would be a good replacemnt for Clarence.

And mayb e you are not basing it on just one game but from NT tournaments and a couple of Ajax games, and if we are going to compare him to Seedorf, then we can say the same thing for him since Seedorf was never as good for Holland as he was in ckub football.

And a player is allowed to have off games so Sneijder happened to have an off game when you were watching him, so what? We all know that Seedorf is also capable of those...

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2008, 04:34 PM)
Exactly. We could have signed a couple of average guys like Rommedahl or Solari (just the first I could think of) and be relaxed for the next 2-3 years. But now we must buy backup players AND potential starters. The most frustrating thing is that we didn't use this crisis to introduce new players, like most big clubs do. But I just said Sneijder is overrated. For me he's nothing special. No fantastic add, no world class signing.
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Agreed, except for the part were you say he's not a fantastic add to the squad. And that all goes down to a matter of oppinions and we are clearly not going to change each others so it's pointless to argue whether he would be a great add to the team or not.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2008, 04:34 PM)
And yes you are mixing up things:
You see..first you said he would be ideal for the Ambro position, then you said he would be ideal to replace Seedorf.

Okay, and what's between above average and world class?
And you never proved or convinced me why shouldn't I consider him a "above average" player. Did he anything spectacular?
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I said tht he could be a replacement for both Seedorf and Ambro because he can play both positions and plat in them well, if I were thinking of a guy that would be brought in JUST for the purpose of replacing Seedorf then I would immediately think of Van Der Vaart, were as Sneijder can play in either position, since he is a versatile player.

To me when saying above average you are saying that he is just good or decent enough. World Class is on a different scale. That is just me and how I see it. Again, just a difference of oppinion.

Again, how can I manage to convince you that he's a great player when your oppinion is otherwise? This is a forum I come on here to share my oppinion, not to brain wash you or anyone else into agreeing with me about something. Personally I like how he plays, his style and technique just appeals to me and personally think he's a good player based on what I myself have seen from him. That is just my oppinion though and you are free to think otherwise cool.gif
Tennie
Has anyone ever seen Sneijder do any, well, defensive midfielding? Just curious cos I don't recall him doing defensive-type things this season at Madrid.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 23 2008, 07:38 PM)
Has anyone ever seen Sneijder do any, well, defensive midfielding? Just curious cos I don't recall him doing defensive-type things this season at Madrid.
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He's not that type of player, do you ever see Seedorf trying to tackle someone?

Or even run beck to try and get back possession when he is the one that lost the ball.

And no he might not cover spaces that well which is a flaw, but if he were to play in our midfield he would inject more creativity to our midfield, something that has solely been put upon Pirlo which is why he's so exhausted, not to mention being played in every single match of the season, Sneijder would be able to sub in for Pirlo in that position with no problems at all, because I think he could play in every position in our midfield.
Tennie
If he's not the type of player ot cover spaces or tackle, how could he play every position in midfield (given that Rino at least seems to be doing a lot of tackling and we all know that Ambro is far too enthusiastic at times when he tackles)?

Maybe I'm being a dumb blonde here, but I'm not quite following your logic, han.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 23 2008, 08:01 PM)
If he's not the type of player ot cover spaces or tackle, how could he play every position in midfield (given that Rino at least seems to be doing a lot of tackling and we all know that Ambro is far too enthusiastic at times when he tackles)?

Maybe I'm being a dumb blonde here, but I'm not quite following your logic, han.
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I's not saying that if we were able to make 4 Sneijder clones we can just play them all together without having a guy like Rino or Ambro in there to do the dirty work.

I'm saying he can play in Seedorf's position or Pirlo's, and if we need an extrea creative edge taking out either Ambro or (or being the key word here) Rino and he can play in both of those positions.

I'm not saying that he is a guy that can do the same job as them, I'm saying that he can play in that position but do a different job.


Are you following me? I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself clearly... unsure.gif
Tennie
Okay, that makes a little more sense. Thanks for clarifying! I agree that Sneijder is a good creative mid. smile.gif He'd probably even do well at Milan.

However (and sorry to han and zd), I still don't particularly like him. He's got a bit of an ego, that one.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 23 2008, 08:23 PM)
Okay, that makes a little more sense. Thanks for clarifying! I agree that Sneijder is a good creative mid. smile.gif He'd probably even do well at Milan.

However (and sorry to han and zd), I still don't particularly like him. He's got  a bit of an ego, that one.
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Well ther are a lot of players I don't like either in terms of their personality. But would I accept them at Milan? Yes definately, the only player I draw a line to is Ibra (sry porty) but that is where I come to the end of my rope in terms of tollerance.

I can;t wait for him and Mourinho to start working together :insert evil laugh here: if they don't hit it off we all know that firworks will ensue
morgoth
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2008, 06:52 PM)
Ohhh, Å imić won't move to Turkey, belive me... dry.gif
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Nasri's agent denied any contract between the player and Arsenal, apparently Nasri wants a big contract and they're still negotiating! Oh and Arshavin said that he loves Barcelona, even though the millions that could offer him Abramivic could be convincing too biggrin.gif

La merda, seems close on signing Adriano (Sevilla) according to El Mundo Deportivo (Catalan paper). Sevilla are demanding 15M€ and la merda offered Suazo as a part of the deal

About Sneijder, I think he's a very good player. He had a great euro (the best Dutch in my opinion). For me he's an attacking midfielder, a play maker, he can play on the wings but is better in the centre, just like VdV, because he's not a rocket. So for me he can play in every position in the midfield but isn't good at defending, actually he doesn't defend at all, the thing is he' quite young and can still learn a lot, Pirlo at his age was an unknown AM so ...
CrazyMilanFan
nothing is going milan way in the market and TBH the main reason is UCL we can get stars bcoz of UCL and than we cant pay that much bcoz of the money lost for not getting UCL
Warchant
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 23 2008, 04:18 PM)
nothing is going milan way in the market and TBH the main reason is UCL we can get stars  bcoz of UCL and than we cant pay that much bcoz of the money lost for not getting UCL
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i don't buy that...bayern got luca toni and ribery while going down to the UEFA Cup.

players know that milan will be back in the CL, and if they don't...it's milan's staff who need to go out and convince them that they need to come and be the ones that help us get back into the CL.

we are milan...the most successful club in the world...past and present. the higher ups are just too afraid to spend money. we still haven't used the money we got for Sheva and we still haven't used the money we got from winning the CL last year. We were also suppose to get more money for switching our shirt sponsor to bwin last year. Where has that money gone? You use that money and you shouldn't have to dip into berlusconi's wallet.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Warchant @ Jun 23 2008, 10:42 PM)
i don't buy that...bayern got luca toni and ribery while going down to the UEFA Cup.

players know that milan will be back in the CL, and if they don't...it's milan's staff who need to go out and convince them that they need to come and be the ones that help us get back into the CL.

we are milan...the most successful club in the world...past and present. the higher ups are just too afraid to spend money. we still haven't used the money we got for Sheva and we still haven't used the money we got from winning the CL last year. We were also suppose to get more money for switching our shirt sponsor to bwin last year. Where has that money gone? You use that money and you shouldn't have to dip into berlusconi's wallet.
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yea we did not spend money from different souces but gallaini only talks about the 40 million loss we had due to no UCL he never talks about sheva sale money or UCL money......
kurtsimonw
We're saving our money up, in a few years we'll be able to buy Serie A, then we'll win the league every year. The great master plan!
Tennie
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 23 2008, 06:47 PM)
We're saving our money up, in a few years we'll be able to buy Serie A, then we'll win the league every year. The great master plan!
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You've revealed the Great Plan, Kurt.

Now we'll have to kill you. ph34r.gif
armiss
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 24 2008, 03:35 AM)
You've revealed the Great Plan, Kurt.

Now we'll have to kill you.  ph34r.gif
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No , No Tennie you shouldnt do that laugh.gif
vahid
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 23 2008, 11:05 PM)
You've revealed the Great Plan, Kurt.

Now we'll have to kill you.  ph34r.gif
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You are great tennie laugh.gif
aLbErTo
maybe fish doll was trying to do this anyway smile.gif
Tennie
The fish doll would never do such a thing! innocent.gif innocent.gif innocent.gif

Anyway, Tuttosport is reporting that Toro want Abate on loan. Normally, Tuttosport is unreliable -- except for news from the Turin clubs. So maybe they do want him.

I hope Milan keep him. I like Abate! 96.gif
Tennie
It would seem that some of those protesting against Milan's perceived lack of action in the transfer market have taken things a little too far. Yesterday, a threatening letter containing bullets arrived at Via Turati.
armiss
there is mad everywhere !!
Ry4n
Again ????????
m1ke
I don't understand the mentality of the people who do things like that. Who are they to send threatening letters? It's one thing to have an opinion on Milan's transfer policy, but sending bullets to Milan's HQ suggests raving lunatic to me.
morgoth
This is how it's doe in Italy, they send you a bullet to say "be careful we're watching you" ...

Anyhoo, according to the Daily Star, Milan are out of Adebayor race. Barcelona seem to be in pole but Arsenal will not let him leave for peanuts ...which leads Eto'o to be linked with Milan again rolleyes.gif

According to the Sunday Mirror, Tottenham are ready to offer 25M€ for Villa, Valencia are expecting something around 50M€ though!

The Italian press is reporting a zebras interest in D.Millito (the striker) and Arshavin coach (Advocate) said that his player wants to leave and will probably play in England or Spain ...
Il Capitano
QUOTE (m1ke @ Jun 24 2008, 01:57 PM)
I don't understand the mentality of the people who do things like that. Who are they to send threatening letters? It's one thing to have an opinion on Milan's transfer policy, but sending bullets to Milan's HQ suggests raving lunatic to me.
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Its these idiots that give real fans a bad rep.
armiss
OFFICIAL NOTE A.C. MILAN
6/24/2008
MILAN - A.C. Milan communicate that starting from 1 July Dr. Massimo Manara will become the new Club Doctor. We thank Dr. Massimiliano Sala, who resigned, for the professionalism and passion shown in these last five years.


there is a good sign
Tennie
Awwww. I liked Dr. Sala! He was kinda cute. 96.gif

Best wishes to him and welcome to Dr. Manara!
Bluesummers
sigh....bullet now sigh....
KillerMax
Bullets? OOOOOO....... Silvio is scared.... rolleyes.gif
dst
I want Milo Manara!
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jun 24 2008, 06:18 PM)
Bullets? OOOOOO....... Silvio is scared.... rolleyes.gif
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lol true if he find out who sent that he will send a rocket launcher rocket there
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (m1ke @ Jun 24 2008, 01:57 PM)
I don't understand the mentality of the people who do things like that. Who are they to send threatening letters? It's one thing to have an opinion on Milan's transfer policy, but sending bullets to Milan's HQ suggests raving lunatic to me.
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I think I did go a bit too far, no bullets next time, I promise. Blame Tennie, she gave me the address. tongue.gif
Tennie
^^ Does this mean we have to kill you twice now, Kurt? ph34r.gif 96.gif 96.gif
armiss
Tennie you must wait :


Roberto De Assis, in an interview with website Sportal.it. "We are working to bring in the biggest club in the world the strongest player in the world - noted -. We have always had an excellent relationship with Milan and we are always in contact !!
KillerMax
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 24 2008, 12:36 PM)
lol true if he find out who sent that he will send a rocket launcher rocket there
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Let's just say if he wanted to find out.
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