Tennie
Aug 6 2008, 03:48 AM
Well, not exactly Grin. In the writeup that Tuttomercatoweb did, Cardacio was described as having a good distance shot, being able to use both feet well though generally more with the right than the lef, more than just an interdictor/dm, and having played a playmaker sort of role alongside Edison Cavani for the NT (U20).
EDIT:
For what it's worth, Viudez is a trequartista (having worn the #10 shirt for Defensor Sporting) who Tuttomercatoweb says has great technique and who is FAST.
GrinReaper
Aug 6 2008, 03:57 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 6 2008, 09:18 AM)

Well, not exactly Grin. In the writeup that Tuttomercatoweb did, Cardacio was described as having a good distance shot, being able to use both feet well though generally more with the right than the lef, more than just an interdictor/dm, and having played a playmaker sort of role alongside Edison Cavani for the NT (U20).
There is a considerable difference between trying to play like Pirlo and playing like Pirlo

I belong to the former category. And the only ones who belong to the latter are Pirlo himself, Riquelme and Guardiola. And there is only one Pirlo. Enough said
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 6 2008, 09:18 AM)

For what it's worth, Viudez is a trequartista (having worn the #10 shirt for Defensor Sporting) who Tuttomercatoweb says has great technique and who is FAST.
Fast is good. Fast is very, very, very good

And another thing, why did my avatar change from the Milan pacman to Mr. Garrison on it's own? Not cool
Tennie
Aug 6 2008, 04:01 AM
Haha. What'd your avatar do? (I'm pretty code ignorant so....)
And you're right -- Pirlo is unique.
We'll just have to see how these kids do once they arrive. Hopefully we'll see good things.
GrinReaper
Aug 6 2008, 04:06 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 6 2008, 09:31 AM)

Haha. What'd your avatar do? (I'm pretty code ignorant so....)
No worries, I just got myself a new, less cool one
Giancarlo
Aug 6 2008, 04:34 AM
QUOTE (GrinReaper @ Aug 6 2008, 02:38 AM)

I agree with all that. Except for the part about the toilet paper's credibility. I think toilet paper should be rated more highly that that article. I mean can you imagine life without toilet paper? I tried, but it was gross.
You know what I did insult toilet paper. It's perhaps the most useful thing. What I mean is it has the worth of that recycled brown toilet paper that feels like your using cardboard. lol.

QUOTE
Anyhow, on a serious note, the writers at Goal.com seem to be like a bunch of surfers who ride one wave, say it's the biggest they've ever seen and then when they ride the next wave, they declare the second wave as the biggest ever. They always write something that is going to be controversial. Something that people will write lots of stupid comments about. Something that'll make the people want to click and read the story. And in the intentions of writing such an article truth, facts, lies, fiction, hearsay everything gets so mixed up that it's difficult to separate them from each other. In one word, HYPOCRITES!

They talk a lot. They sure do. It's a fact our backline is not any older than most teams out there. It is comparable to Juventus and Inter age wise. People bash our backline, but the fact remains is that when we played Chelsea we were lacking a great deal of our attacking players. When you play defensively, you put more pressure on the backlines to perform. If you had viable attacking players, you reduce the strain on the back. If we had strong attacking players, the defense would have to hold less possession thus could rest without having to constantly be on-guard. So I bet you if we had our attacking players, the backline would not have its issues it did against Chelsea. Kalac was another issue... I'm all for Abbiati.
The thing I view about the article is it is a whole lot of hot air and huffing and puffing. Kinda like something that comes out Mourinho's mouth. I swear, I'm so happy to this day we did not get him.
Tennie
Aug 6 2008, 11:01 PM
Oh dear.
Milan has deposited a new contract with the Lega Calcio: that of one Chedric Seedorf, little brother to Clarence.
HERE is Chedric's wiki page.
He's 25.
Nepotism would seem to be the order of the day.
CrazyMilanFan
Aug 7 2008, 12:32 AM
wowo whihc postion does he play and BTW on the lega calci page there are loads of are they meant for the youth team ??
GrinReaper
Aug 7 2008, 12:36 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 7 2008, 03:31 AM)

Oh dear.
Milan has deposited a new contract with the Lega Calcio: that of one Chedric Seedorf, little brother to Clarence.
HERE is Chedric's wiki page.
He's 25.
Nepotism would seem to be the order of the day.
But why? I mean, looking at the clubs he's played for, he doesn't seem to be a talented player. And he'll only end up eating up the wages which could have gone for a more talented youngster who could one day break into the first team. This is not good
Tennie
Aug 7 2008, 12:41 AM
Most of the new transfers in are indeed Primavera (or younger) players, CMF.
As for why Chedric? Good question. Probably something like the deal that was made for Ba last year. The fish doll will kiss dst if Chedric plays in a regular league game.
GrinReaper
Aug 7 2008, 12:54 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 7 2008, 05:11 AM)

The fish doll will kiss dst if Chedric plays in a regular league game.
ALRIGHT!!! GOOOOO CHEDRIC!!!
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 02:04 AM
He'll probably be like Digao... if it keeps our main star happy, fine.
Jack Sparrow
Aug 7 2008, 06:32 AM
Saw Chedric or is it Cedric? play in the goal4africa. I'm sorry to say this, but he does not have any of the older brother's talent or skills. Not one. He just does a little bit of everything decently.
I guess Milan is for him to play and train in a better environment, so he can play for a smaller team in a top league at least. I'd put him at Brescia class at best.
armiss
Aug 7 2008, 08:36 AM
How happy Clarence would be
Jack Sparrow
Aug 7 2008, 08:47 AM
Why? Clarence has family? And he's got quite a few brothers. Just this one wouldn't make that much of a difference. And he's travelled around without Cedric before in Madrid etc. But you're right..we're just taking 'family atmosphere' to the next level. Taking it to next level

aren't we still sponsored by adidas?

Digao and Kaka though are verly close. Digao made Ricardo dos Santos- Kaka.
CrazyMilanFan
Aug 7 2008, 10:03 AM
we dont need to make seedorf happy we all know kaka situation was different if he is useless whihc he will be then this is a blunder
armiss
Aug 7 2008, 11:52 AM
Dont make it hard , it will be more funny and a beautiful environment
Fillipo Simone
Aug 7 2008, 12:24 PM
I'm not exactly happy with that kind of nepotism. I mean, what's next? Hey, Dario Šimić also has a brother, let's get him! He's a striker...that's what we need.
armiss
Aug 7 2008, 04:09 PM
Why not !!
Habitant
Aug 7 2008, 04:57 PM
^^ because milan have a serious problem about throwing wages around.
guys like emerson and dida get way more than they deserved initially and on top of that flop after they sign.
even kaladze makes top tier bucks compared to all the other star footballers

.
then we have guys like digao, ba and now checric who will never start a league match because they simply dont have it in them just to make them happy? these guys are getting paid lol!
then we have guys like brocchi who does nothing, and simic who never plays so their wages are completly wasted on them.
armiss
Aug 7 2008, 05:24 PM
^^^^
If every manager thinks like you , there would not any adventure on anything !
Fillipo Simone
Aug 7 2008, 05:53 PM
QUOTE (armiss @ Aug 7 2008, 06:24 PM)

^^^^
If every manager thinks like you , there would not any adventure on anything !

True. Football isn't rational. For most of the time at least.
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 05:55 PM
QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 7 2008, 03:57 PM)

^^ because milan have a serious problem about throwing wages around.
guys like emerson and dida get way more than they deserved initially and on top of that flop after they sign.
even kaladze makes top tier bucks compared to all the other star footballers

.
then we have guys like digao, ba and now checric who will never start a league match because they simply dont have it in them just to make them happy? these guys are getting paid lol!
then we have guys like brocchi who does nothing, and simic who never plays so their wages are completly wasted on them.
What if it makes Seedorf play much better that his brother is here? And it's not like his wage is something astronomical either (referring to Chedric). He'll probably be loaned out. If it makes Clarence happy and he plays better, it'll be worth it.
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 06:44 PM
Anyways...
http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=809326Milan have joined Juventus in the race to sign Branislav Ivanovic from Chelsea according to Sportmediaset. The Rossoneri may even try to out-bid their Serie A rivals in attempt to lure the defender to San Siro.
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I actually happen to like Ivanovic, and view it as more evidence of Chelsea's reckless spending... they spent a lot of money on him, yet almost never played him. Pathetic on their part.
Sportmediaset? Are they a reliable source? I haven't really heard of them before.
Tennie
Aug 7 2008, 07:02 PM
Sportmediaset = Mediaset Sport.
Mediaset = Fininvest = Berlusconi family
They're generally fairly reliable for Milan stuff, though the editorials in the Controcampo section can be a little more opinion than actual fact.
Here's the relevant section of Mediaset's article (
link):
C'è anche il Milan sulle tracce di Branislav Ivanovic. Dopo l'interessamento della Juve, i rossoneri sono pronti a fare un'offerta al Chelsea per il difensore serbo. L'emergenza del reparto arretrato ha spinto la società di via Turati a muoversi sul mercato e nell'elenco dei papabili è stato inserito Ivanovic. Per lui ci sarebbe un prestito con diritto di riscatto: 2 milioni di euro più 12 al termine, la stessa cifra proposta dai bianconeri.
[Milan is also on the trail of Branislav Ivanovic. After Juve's interest, the rossoneri are ready to make an offer to Chelsea for the Serbian defender. The emergency in defense has forced the Via Turati club to move on the market and Ivanovic is on their list. They're offering a loan with an option to buy - 2 million + 12 at the end, the same offer made by Juve.]
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 07:07 PM
Good to hear that with the source. I should have known that.
Lets hope we can get him and beat Juve. I like when Milan beats Juve for transfers...
Fillipo Simone
Aug 7 2008, 07:10 PM
About Ivanovic...I doubt Milan will sign him. I doubt Juve will sign him too. He's just overrated IMO. And his price tag will ony raise and raise, which isn't the usual Milan deal. But if it's us approaching to Chesea/Drogba via Ivanovic...
Anyway, goal.com lost his credibility. I'm not sure it is reliable.
Tennie
Aug 7 2008, 07:12 PM
Goal.com is about as reliable as Tuttosport or the National Enquirer - in other words, NOT.
Mediaset is a little better though. Articles are starting to pop up in other outlets in Italy about Ivanovic - Milan. Looks like this rumor's gaining a little momentum.
whoarethepatriots
Aug 7 2008, 07:13 PM
An Ivanovic loan deal would be good. I am not keen on a permenant transfer unless Kaladze leaves/retires whatever
Signing an understudy to Maldini and Nesta would be even better, they will have time to learn from these guys, but also be enthusiastic enough to make an impression
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 07:15 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 7 2008, 07:10 PM)

About Ivanovic...I doubt Milan will sign him. I doubt Juve will sign him too. He's just overrated IMO. And his price tag will ony raise and raise, which isn't the usual Milan deal. But if it's us approaching to Chesea/Drogba via Ivanovic...
Anyway, goal.com lost his credibility. I'm not sure it is reliable.
I think he's a solid defender not given the opportunity. We will try to get him on loan.
Goal.com did cite Mediaset...
Tennie
Aug 7 2008, 07:30 PM
If Milan were to buy a Serbian CB, I'd rather have the one currently playing for Manchester United. Or, to stay in the same region of Europe, perhaps that nice Croatian boy who plays for City.

Ivanovic? Eh. Is he really better than Bonera? 12m is a lot for a defender.
Habitant
Aug 7 2008, 07:31 PM
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 7 2008, 05:55 PM)

What if it makes Seedorf play much better that his brother is here? And it's not like his wage is something astronomical either (referring to Chedric). He'll probably be loaned out. If it makes Clarence happy and he plays better, it'll be worth it.
it's the principal of it, if it was an exception fine, like with kaka i dont mind but it's starting to get out of hand, milan isnt a country club FFS even though it's beinng run like one lately.
and again i wouldnt mind a guy like chedric if we dint have many overpaid players, all these factors contribute to the situation we have right now. (novelty signings like ba and paid to train with the team, overpay players like emerson to get them to come to milan, overpay players to keep them here (dida).
it contributes to the inflation of contracts. when we resign a player or sign a new one all they have to do point to a guy like kaladze who makes some like 6m E/year
if we had the money fine be my guest! but for someone like galliani that is always complaining about not having money or demanding players to come cheap or free (sheva, R10) when he cant cut his own slack and is poorly managing payroll.
Habitant
Aug 7 2008, 07:34 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 7 2008, 07:30 PM)

If Milan were to buy a Serbian CB, I'd rather have the one currently playing for Manchester United. Or, to stay in the same region of Europe, perhaps that nice Croatian boy who plays for City.

Ivanovic? Eh. Is he really better than Bonera? 12m is a lot for a defender.
defnitly, bonera is hardly rate by anyone. boenra is stable, he isnt going to be any better than he currently is.
Fillipo Simone
Aug 7 2008, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 7 2008, 08:30 PM)

If Milan were to buy a Serbian CB, I'd rather have the one currently playing for Manchester United. Or, to stay in the same region of Europe, perhaps that nice Croatian boy who plays for City.

Ivanovic? Eh. Is he really better than Bonera? 12m is a lot for a defender.
Better then Bonera? No,..And well, I'm not very convinced he'd be any good. Vidic? Possibly. But he hasn't the Milan attitude. His technical inferiority is so de-motivating. He'd had a similar (but milder) effect on my Kaladze has. If we are searching for Serbian players...Fiorentina's Kuzmanovic would be my tip.
You mean Čorluka?

I'd love him here. But rumour has it that he'll join Tottenham in a few days..
Habitant
Aug 7 2008, 07:40 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 7 2008, 07:36 PM)

Better then Bonera? No,..And well, I'm not very convinced he'd be any good. Vidic? Possibly. But he hasn't the Milan attitude. His technical inferiority is so de-motivating. He'd had a similar (but milder) effect on my Kaladze has. If we are searching for Serbian players...Fiorentina's Kuzmanovic would be my tip.
You mean Čorluka?

I'd love him here. But rumour has it that he'll join Tottenham in a few days..
just think of it, if it was that hard to think of better CB than the ones we currently have wouldnt our def be performing better?
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 7 2008, 06:31 PM)

it's the principal of it, if it was an exception fine, like with kaka i dont mind but it's starting to get out of hand, milan isnt a country club FFS even though it's beinng run like one lately.
and again i wouldnt mind a guy like chedric if we dint have many overpaid players, all these factors contribute to the situation we have right now. (novelty signings like ba and paid to train with the team, overpay players like emerson to get them to come to milan, overpay players to keep them here (dida).
it contributes to the inflation of contracts. when we resign a player or sign a new one all they have to do point to a guy like kaladze who makes some like 6m E/year
if we had the money fine be my guest! but for someone like galliani that is always complaining about not having money or demanding players to come cheap or free (sheva, R10) when he cant cut his own slack and is poorly managing payroll.
I really don't see any problem with it, and I think we've had a successful transfer season. On top of that, I think wages are appropriate. While Dida may be overpaid, he'll be leaving when his contract runs out. I think our club is being operated effectively.
The payroll is not being managed poorly.
We had a very effective transfer season and we got players in for the appropriate fees and wages.
kurtsimonw
Aug 7 2008, 08:21 PM
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 7 2008, 06:44 PM)

I actually happen to like Ivanovic, and view it as more evidence of Chelsea's reckless spending... they spent a lot of money on him, yet almost never played him. Pathetic on their part.
They signed him in January, the Russian league had finished so he was unfit. You don't want to throw in an unfit defender when you're fighting it out for the league title and Champions League. Not to mention they had one of the Worlds best CB partnerships already last season.
He'll get more chance this season, unless they sell him of course.
As for the nepotism issue.. it's not right. The Wages might not seem like a big deal, but they are. Being on ONLY £10k a week, means that's over £500k a year, on let's say a 4-year contract, that's £2m you're paying out on a player who is pretty crappy. Put that into the Milan perspective, we've got Digao, Seedorfs brother and Ba, that could be around £6m of waste on wages, then when you add Dida to that, £10m of wasted money. It all adds up.
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 08:23 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 7 2008, 07:21 PM)

They signed him in January, the Russian league had finished so he was unfit. You don't want to throw in an unfit defender when you're fighting it out for the league title and Champions League. Not to mention they had one of the Worlds best CB partnerships already last season.
He'll get more chance this season, unless they sell him of course.
As for the nepotism issue.. it's not right. The Wages might not seem like a big deal, but they are. Being only ONLY £10k a week, means that's over £500k a year, on let's say a 4-year contract, that's £2m you're paying out on a player who is pretty crappy. Put that into the Milan perspective, we've got Digao, Seedorfs brother and Ba, that could be around £6m of waste on wages, then when you add Dida to that, £10m of wasted money. It all adds up.
Well I'd really like to see a defender signed either way...
Many teams do it... if they have the money to do it... I ignore Galliani when he says we don't have enough money. That's bogus. Look at who funds this club... I see nothing wrong with the investment of bringing his brother, if it could improve his own attitude. For example, Digao and Kaka are quite close... I'm going to defend the management in this regard. It's their right.
We only have two players like this... Ibrahim Ba played a few games a while back... unfortunately his career just didn't turn out the way we would have thought.
kurtsimonw
Aug 7 2008, 08:31 PM
Fair enough then.
Roma had a bid rejected for Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun, SSN didn't say how much the offer was though.
Giancarlo
Aug 7 2008, 08:34 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 7 2008, 07:31 PM)

Fair enough then.
Roma had a bid rejected for Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun, SSN didn't say how much the offer was though.
I kinda feel bad for Roma... they are just having a lousy transfer season after seeing numerous bids rejected... Milan had all these signings and lots of luck (which is why I believe we will get another defender)...
If anything, while I'd love to see Milan win the Scudetto... I really wouldn't mind seeing Roma in 2nd place... is their any news on their Baptista bid?
I also hear Milan and Roma are on relatively good terms too...
kurtsimonw
Aug 7 2008, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 7 2008, 08:34 PM)

I kinda feel bad for Roma... they are just having a lousy transfer season after seeing numerous bids rejected...
is their any news on their Baptista bid?
Losing Mancini was real bad for them, and a great move by Inter.
As far as I know they offered 12m euros and Madrid have yet to respond.
MizNelson
Aug 7 2008, 09:30 PM
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 7 2008, 09:55 AM)

What if it makes Seedorf play much better that his brother is here? And it's not like his wage is something astronomical either (referring to Chedric). He'll probably be loaned out. If it makes Clarence happy and he plays better, it'll be worth it.
Well, Kaka didn't exactly light up the league after Digao (yech) signed on. Besides, Clarence already had the idiotic idea of bringing Esajas to the club, so he's already got a black mark for that.
CrazyMilanFan
Aug 7 2008, 09:35 PM
i would not mind ivanovic but i would prefer someone from serie A
vnata001
Aug 7 2008, 11:04 PM
yeah i feel sorry for roma as well actually. They've got to be my second favorite in italy. After losing mancini and giuly, i really hope roma sign baptista and some winger be it: malouda/benayoun/menez. they could be better off cuz baptista can REALLY light it up, i rate him highly, and he's a no-nonsense player, which can't be said for mancini..
if anyone's interested, i thought i'd share a nice vid on the beast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnPoQzIdYI
armiss
Aug 8 2008, 07:51 PM
Gazzetta said that Braida was in London on Wednesday , he informed Galliani about Ivanovic talks , also Sheva admires his potential but also said that he needs time for experience !
Giancarlo
Aug 8 2008, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (armiss @ Aug 8 2008, 07:51 PM)

Gazzetta said that Braida was in London on Wednesday , he informed Galliani about Ivanovic talks , also Sheva admires his potential but also said that he needs time for experience !
Hmm. Interesting. Usually when Braida goes, things happen... I'm hopeful. I know Ivanovic will get time. He's better than Simic and Favalli. He's a very versatile defender.
Tennie
Aug 8 2008, 07:56 PM

Hey, don't diss Favallinho!
For a guy brought in on a free to be 3rd string LB, the guy's done pretty well, given that he's had to play a lot more than anyone could have anticipated.
Giancarlo
Aug 8 2008, 08:00 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 8 2008, 07:56 PM)


Hey, don't diss Favallinho!
For a guy brought in on a free to be 3rd string LB, the guy's done pretty well, given that he's had to play a lot more than anyone could have anticipated.
Sorry. I should respect him more... he does play with heart. But he's 36 years old... and his legs are getting older...
Habitant
Aug 8 2008, 08:17 PM
IMO we are one quality CB away from a great transfer market, the gapping hole in def is too big to ignore and not address.
if we sign ivanovic i will be extremely pleased with the mercato.
Zed.D
Aug 8 2008, 08:19 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 8 2008, 10:26 PM)


Hey, don't diss Favallinho!
For a guy brought in on a free to be 3rd string LB, the guy's done pretty well, given that he's had to play a lot more than anyone could have anticipated.
But he's an ex-merda player...
Zed.D
Aug 8 2008, 08:19 PM
QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 8 2008, 10:47 PM)

if we sign ivanovic i will be extremely pleased with the mercato.
Same here.
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