Arsenal are above Liverpool in my opinion since liverpool depends on their pathetic finishers and gerrard to basically do anything.

best in epl goes like this--

diving united
chelski
liverpool
bolton
arsenal

Contradiction my bro.Fix it quick before, somebody drills holes into you.

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Portugal, I said you seem to love Chelsea because each time Mourinho is brought on topic, you seem to defend him no matter what.

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If Wenger is such a bad manager, how do you explain the way he took over a team that was pretty medicore, and went on to win the double with them?

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Jack, you say they have no excuse not to go after all 4 trophies, and you are absolutely right.
Clichy gave a interview on Arsenal.com where he said just that.

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Bluesummers, I don't take your post seriously.

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Lastly, this has been Arsenals worst season for decades.
Injuries, lack of consitency and losing two of its star players, this makes for a troublesome season.

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Portugal, I said you seem to love Chelsea because each time Mourinho is brought on topic, you seem to defend him no matter what.

I wouldn'y go as far as to rate Mourinho above Wenger just yet.

I haven't seen Mourinho stay long enough in a club and see him build it from scratch as Wenger has done. Take a team which was next to nothing, and make it accepted as one of the top clubs of Europe.

Maybe Mourinho is more tactically astute, but I think Wenger is the better team-builder and manager. But I'll admit Mourinho comes out as a better tactician. Though I'm not convinced about Mourinho as the BEST tactician out there. I haven't fogotten about Lippi.

Henry was a rising star back then while Zizou was an acclaimed footballer! And you may need to check those videos again cause Zidane was far from good and certainly was NOT the one who delivered the trophy to France!
Arsenal... Chelski... man are you serious?? The whole Arsenal team costs as much as Shevchenko... What do you mean "unless they can pull a Chelsea"?? 

Arsenal fans are worse than the merda IMO ... They hype up their team so much to the extent that they think they are above any other team. When in reality the merda gave them a good @ss wopping not 3 years ago.

With that said, I still like to watch arsenal games. Then again, each time I meet an arsenal fan, it's the same old thing.

Cesc, flamini, troure, hoyte, clichy .. all those youngsters .. but when I think about it; WHO ?!?!

As a Milan fan, I have been accustomed to players along the lines of Shevchenko, Kaka, Van Basten, RIjkaard, Gullit, JPP, Rui Costa, Nesta, Paolo Maldini, Cafu, Rossi, Albertini .. and it is no wonder I cant see eye to eye with them.

@Locke Lamora .. No offence intended; but so what ?! Fa cup ?? Carling cup ?? Milky way cup ... Who the hell cares about those ?! The EPL .. now we are talking and at the time of Adams, Arsenal did have a strong team. But they never went the distance, u cant compare them to the invincible Milan team of the 90's .. and u cant compare them to SAF's treble winning team of the late 90's ...

The CL final ?! hehe man u r stating this in the wrong forum, cuz Milan has won it 6 times and speaking about finals .. Milan has been their on several occasions. So I don't mean to stir anything out of this, but for u to understand that I cant see how Arsenal are such a great club with high ambitions.

Which is where I think Arsene has made a true blue managerial  mistake while managing this club. It is IMO wrong to advocate a playing style. A philosophy of course, but a style no. Football is too multi cultured has grown too global, for one playing style.
By all means, have a philosophy..like Milan's is Possession and the killer counter attack, among a host of others, but for that you need to have an Italian manager (), and Bolton's is be a pr!ck up the other guys anal crack, till they give up.  But the moment you decide you're gonna be a short passing team, or a wing play team or whatever...you might win a few matches, but not a whole season or a tournament. You'll last as long as it takes to study your methods, and then you'll be chewed up and spit out.

If anything Arsenal should be grateful they faced PSV and not say Barca or Inter. Coz bad as we think those teams are, they can still hit a team where it hurts, and in Arsenal's case where it hurts the most, their strategy.

However where is Arsenal strong. Their youth for one. If Man U has Cris and Scholes out on long leave like what happened to Henry and Nesta, then they are f@cked. They might have enough gas in them not to lose, but win, and in big matches?? Uh-uh. Arsenal has players who can seamlessly integrate, which is their biggest strength. And a positive brought about by Arsene not choosing to compromise with his youth first policy for sh!t cups like Carling. (This one's just so you and I have something to fight over Porty ) .

So let me give this rating at the end of it all...

Arsenal....8/10
Man U....8.2/10
Chelski....8.5/10
Liverpool....(on form with Benitez thinking on his feet) 8.1/10

I'm sorry but this is what I feel the state of the EPL is right now. I guess Arsenal being ranked below Liverpool might hurt some, but the difference Rafa in his right mind can bring to the side while playing is immense enough for it to be so. Even if the Liverpool squad is I feel inferior in a lot of ways to Arsenal.
And this is from me, grand imperial poobah of the Gooner side of milanfan.com, so nobody even suggest I'm biased.

But why should Arsenal being ranked below Liverpool  hurt ?!   Liverpool has won more than Arsenal

First of all Merda did not hammer the Gooners 3 years ago... they won 3-0 at Highbury and then somehow managed to lose 5-1 at San Siro. They even finished 3rd in the end below Lokomotiv Moscow!

Anyway... I don't think Arsenal fans think of their team too high, at least not the ones I know. What you describe sounds more (/exactly) like Loverpool's supporters.

Also I don't think Lock Lamora ever intended to compare Arsenal with Milan.

IMO Wenger is a fairly mediocre tactician. As a manager he's not that good, who would allow Overmars to leave at that time?? THAT team could have possibly won the CL but he made a big mistake. As a coach in general... he managed to transform a really bad team into something beautiful but the results are not so good. I mean he managed to win 3 championships in 9 years. That's 1 out of 3... having to contend with 3 teams it's the minimum he could get; He reached a certain level but never exceeded it.

And I think Jack only said Liverpool are currently a strongest team than Arsenal, nothing to do with what they have won.

I will never compare Milan to Arsenal.
Never.
In terms of history they have won more than Arsenal will in a century.
This year has been their worst for decades, and still, beating Liverpool 3-0, 3-1, and 6-3, plus Man U each time theyv'e met them says something.
Earlier we have had consitency but lacked the speed and skill needed to REALLY contest the Champions League.

All I'm saying is, give the team a year or two, see what happens.

But how long have people and most of all the Arsenal fans been saying "just 2 more years and you'll see"??

This has been going on since the late 90s, they have been building a team since then!!!

Not all the teams are owned by a man called Berlusconi whose networth is $11.8 B. 
Or Abramovich, or whatever...

PS: Few days ago, with the 2007 list, Silvio was consider the #51 world's richest man.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07bill...amily_EEPT.html

Again don't forget how close they have been to win more, several lost finals, and mostly just a few points behind Man U, or in later years, Chelsea.

Then again, Arsenal are not the best team in the premiership, but they can come to be it in a couple of years.
We'l just have to wait and see.

How many times has Juventus won the Champions League the past ten years, you can't say they are a poor team? (This is a horrible comparision and I know it.)
Remember, Arsenal is one point behind Liverpool with one game in hand, so they can still finish in third spot.

I did say it was a horrible comparision.

Yes it was...so why did you choose to point that out?

Last season? Yeah they made it to the final, but so did Milan

Didn't Arsenal lose to Barcelona in the final last season!?? 

Are you telling me we won the 7th!? 

No, I'm pretty sure it was Barcelona!  

As for not handling pressure, they were 2-0 down to Portsmouth, then Adebayor came on and in like five minutes it was 2-2, Being 1-0 down to Man U with seven minutes to go and guess what?
We won 2-1.

An Honour To Coach Real Madrid - Mourinho ::: GOAL.com



"I would like to coach Madrid, and I do not discard [doing] that in the future," Mourinho told Canal+ after witnessing last night's game between Osasuna and Valencia. "It would be an honor for me."

Mourinho had flown out to Pampalona straight after Chelsea's 3-3 FA Cup draw with Tottenham, to see Champions League opponents Valencia in action.

The Chelsea coach has been linked increasingly with a move to the Bernabeu in the summer since falling out with owner Roman Abramovich over the last three months, primarily over the lack of support in the winter transfer window, and tying down key players John Terry and Frank Lampard through improved contracts.

Asked specifically if it could happen as soon as next season, he was quick to reiterate his commitment to his current club: "I have contract until 2010 with Chelsea. Besides, English football excites me."

He also handed his vote of confidence to Fabio Capello, insisting that the Italian was the ideal person to be in charge at the Bernabeu.

"Madrid cannot have a better coach," he concluded.

Know it's not Premiership but this post is more suited to this topic, what a player Berbatov is he's just scored again (in the UEFA Cup).

If he carries on this way he is something special, great addition to the English league