I remain shocked that people actually admire that man.

It's not admiring. it is not taking too seriously. everyone can see he's an arrogant prick. he really truly is! but personally I kinda find that amusing.

I only admire him as a coach. nothing else.

of course he's arrogant, along with the majority of the people in sports, i've met a lot of these guys. they're all the same, except for the odd exception. the difference is he doesnt give a Sht about what others think, also his comments are hilarious + you cant really take everything he says seriously.

anyways i just find it funny that some just love to hate this guy, but seem to be fine with everyone else. i mean i'm sure theres several members of this current squad that are arrogant but just arent vocal about it.

Bill Shankly was too. Same for Helenio Herrera.
Both arrogant, both "pricks", call you whatever you want... but they were genious - surely in the group of the best coaches ever. Now they're legends.

Hmm. This is what I've learned about the Inter-Catania game.
-Many people on here, including myself, though Biazzari the Catania goal keeper was superb.
-Now to me, this suggests he made alot of good saves, thus saving them from conceeding more goals.
-Jose says it could have been 4 or 5-1, in which he is correct in saying, but thanks to Bizzari the score was kept down.
-The Catania guy comes out and criticises Jose for this.
-Jose is not a pushover, why should he allow somebody to get personal with him when all he states what in my opinion was the truth.
-Jose is seen as the bad guy.

Outcome: Jose was right to say Inter should have won by more, Lo Monaco made himself look stupid, then Jose made him look stupid.

Still at work (don't ask) and not able to pull the information but the headline on yesterday's gazzetta was something along the lines of 'Inter need 2 own goals to beat Catania'. Inside there were stories about Muntari apologizing for the red card and admitting he was at fault right next to the Jose articles lambasting Tedesco for play acting. The public in Italy sees things a little differently, if Gazzetta is any indication.

I think the sending off was harsh personally, Muntari didn't even look behind him, so how he supposedly whacked him in the face on purpose I'll never know. I like him and his comical attitude towards thing, he's a great character and miss him in the EPL.

We can agree to disagree on that topic, Kurt. (and Porty and zd and..probably several others)

why would fatso want to sack carlo anyways? he's more concerned about the country club. then he wouldnt have anyone to tee up with monday afternoons!

Y'know, that does sound a bit like the dreaded vote of confidence. (thanks to R7 for the good translations of stuff).

i don't know if this recent vote of confidence should be "dreaded." i actually think it may be exactly what we need. Like Bonera and Sheva said recently, now more than ever i think we need team unity and harmony. Milan is only going to come out of this funk by relying on eachother, and i think what they need now is support, not more added pressure from the management and fans.

i think carlo has to stay on the bench until at least winter. If we fire him any earlier we could really ruin the first half of this season. With all this commotion about Carlo getting the sack..it's just hitting me that he ACTUALLY could be fired soon, and before we go and do that hastily, I really would rather let him see this first half season out. I genuinely do like Carlo on our bench. Out of all the managers in Europe i can only think of a handful that would suitably replace him...and these last 2 years he hasn't been given a team that could compete with the cream of the crop like he had up until 06.

This poor league performance has been going on since then (2 years ago), and it is only NOW that he has been given proper reinforcements. and in the meantime while we've had a somewhat weakened squad (thin attack, and aging Defense), we did win Europe and the CWC. I don't mean to list these trophies as reasons to be comfortable about our position right now..but it's only fair to Carlo and his stellar body of work he has done for us to keep him around for a little while, and REALLY prove he's lost it. Despite this great transfer window..which in hindsight i give 4.5 stars, we still lack a good defense and a good keeper. The reasons for Carlo's love affair with DM's is because i think he hasn't trusted our defense for a while now. If anything, he has shown a willingness to switch things up in these first 2 games..

right now i feel like giving him a tentative vote of confidence as well and let him fiddle around with the options, and i have this hunch that we'll be fine in 1-2 weeks. I guess would feel sad to see Carlo get the sack and move on to some other club..but if we can't find consistency by winter..then i'll be all for it.

This brings about the same old debate again. We still have had enough quality players the last 2 seasons to really compete in the league, but we haven't. A great coach can handle only have 7 or 8 World class players to field, unfortunately Carlo needs about 13 to do anything in the league, which is why I don't see him as a great coach.

If he stays until winter, we won't win the league. My prediction at the start of the season was 3rd, but keeping Carlo until christmas will not allow us to make my prediction in my opinion.

yea, i guess i almost can't really picture us without Carlo.

Pre-2008:

Kaka Nesta Pirlo Rino Inzaghi Seedorf (The last two are guest appearances)

Post-2008

Kaka Pirlo Rino Ronaldinho Flamini Zambrotta Nesta Seedorf Pato Sheva


If anything all these transfers seem to have overcomplicated matters. But we'll see. I mean in some fairness, Carlo never has had the entire first team at his disposal in the friendlies. I'm with vnata. It'll take 2-3 weeks. I think any team needs at least 5 games to gel.

The friendlies never had any of the current members except Flamini and Zambrotta.

But in his time here he's had Dida, Maldini, Stam, Nesta Cafu, Pirlo, Seedorf, Gatusso, Rui Costa, Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Kaka'.. and he had them while they were still World class players, yet he's barely done anything with them. Like I've said before, great coaches don't need World class players to succeed (See: Jose at Porto), so I stand by the opinion that it was the players winning the trophies more than Ancelotti erally doing anything.

Know what? I don't give a damn who is going to be our coach, I WANT THE SCUDETTO

I can't even think of Inter or Juve winning the Scudetto while competing in the CL as well. we'll be the joke of the F century. 'they didn't have any CL games to worry about [or to use as an excuse], focused only on Serie A and yet lost it to 'merda' or 'zebras''. please not that low...

He did have some very good players. It's just that they weren't accepted as world class then. Like Kaka till the CL season.

Deco, Carvalho, Costinha etc.

And I was speaking about the past two seasons of the Carlo era which were the ones where we really have done badly. And I'll have to disagree with barely having done anything with them.


Of the world class names you've mentioned, only Rui, Nesta and Sheva were accepted big names. Forget Maldini, he's part of the scenery at Milan.

Dida was originally a number 2 who made it big.Stam, Cafu were considered on the decline. And Rino was at Celtic.

I don't want to turn this into a Jose vs Carlo match. We've had enough of that over the past season.

I just think when Carlo says he hasn't had the opportunity to have his first team gel together in this case, it is a justified excuse (for now). I don't think it takes more than 5-7 matches to hit on a decent combination despite our shambolic defence.

He did have some decent players, but not many. The team that played the CL Final: Baia, Paolo Ferreira, Jorge Costa, Carvalho, Valente, Pedro Mendes, Costinha, Maniche, Deco, Derlei, Corlos Alberto. With Benni McCarthy and Bosingwa on the bench.

World class at this time? Carvalho and Deco were the only two in my opinion. Ferreira, Valente, Mendes, Maniche and McCarthy have all played in the EPL, and I can't say any of them can be described as more than 'above average'. Costinha is okay, but no better than somebody like Tiago who is hardly World class. Baia is a decent keeper, Bosingwa is good now, but then? To say he had alot of World class players is a bit unfair. But still, my point is that Jose did win things with these players. Carlo won very little.

But you can look at others, it's not just Jose. SAF has done a great job with some very average players at times, because he's great, as has Capello. Carlo just isn't in their league, or even close.

It's not a case of whatever the media thinks of these players.. you can say these players weren't that good or were on the decline or whatever, but they weren't really. It seems people decide how good these players are based on the arguement they're using. If we're arguing about how good the Milan team was in 03, people will say they're all great, yet when we're saying Carlo did little with them, suddenly they're all not so great..

Carlo seems to be given new excuses all the time. Early in 06/07 it was the effects of losing Sheva and calciopoli, late in 06/07 we were doing well in the CL so we were resting players in Serie A. Early 07/08 all the teams we come up against at home were playing amazing because it was a 'cup final' for them, then we had too many injuries, then this season our players need time to gel.. the fact he's been defended so much shows he's not good enough in my opinion.

Look at the players that've been defended alot in arguements, or been the focal point of them, lately. Dida, Gila, Paolo, Carlo.. it seems they're a focal point of arguements for a reason, that being they're not longer good enough.

The Arrogant One has hit again... honestly I prefer losing than having this guy in my team! He's disgusting... too bad a coach that good is such a pr**k!

Man, I still don't get all of the Jose hate.

Jose stated something I 100% agree with - Inter should have won by more than 2-1, but Bizzari did a great job in goal to deny them. So Lo Monaco, without any need to do so, comes out and criticises Jose.. what the hell does he expect Jose to do, accept the unwarranted criticism? No way! Jose owned him, and rightfully so.

dstoupou "Il rubbish" pou-poulos, I've already posted that 1 page ago.

Anyway, and I like said: Shankly and Herrera were both arrogant and hated by the rivals, Herrera even by the entire Europe, and still they were/are legends and in the restrict group of the best coaches ever.

^^

I know. dst just said, he'd prefer to be coached by a second best coach cum good man, rather than the best coach who is a cvnto.

@kurt: You said it yourself, the Catania goalkeeper was good. So you've seen the EPL, you've seen many games which Chelsea has grinded out 1 Nils under Mourinho, with Cech pulling off many wonder saves to keep that lead up. Has Mourinho ever come out and said, 'We deserved to lose 3-1 since Cech pulled off 3 wonder saves!'?

Last I checked the goalkeeper is among the 11 players who take the field, and one of those who needs to be beaten to score. He's not an inanimate object of fate, like the offside rule.

Muntari got a 3 game suspension for his red card. (link to lega calcio's weekly disciplinary report).

For those keeping track, that means he's still suspended for the derby.

(Hoping they don't reduce it later) YESS!!

He really is a strong player, it's better for us if he doesn't play.

What is it that you don't get?
Mourinho is ridiculously arrogant (FACT.) and lacks respect (FACT.) and there are people who don't like such characters thus there are people who don't like Mourinho...


Of course, how could I miss that? There is no way you would have let this one go. So does he love you as much as you do or doesn't he even reply to your messages?

I never said Mourinho is not a great coach (or if I did it's just cause I don't like him as a man)... that does not make him less of an arrogant pr***.


He undoubtedly is a great player. But Messi is significantly better in my view.

No doubt that Messi is a better player, but Aguero is incredibly effective and talented too

[girlie comment] Aguero is also CUTER. [/girlie comment]

Neither of them can hold a coin to Carlos "pretty boy" Tevez



Source: Guardian's Fiver

(Instead Messi is of Italian descent!)

Can't compare both players.

It's like comparing Cristiano R. to Ibrahimovic...

I hope the Lega punish his words. He's probably used to say that due to the fact he's sicilian... and there everything is solved by violence.

Idiot.

Both him and mourinho r idiots.

I don't think so.

Anyway, this 3 match-ban for Muntari are clearly exagerrated. 2 would be enough.

It seems when Jose says things he' arrogant and lacks respect.. while this guy is launching a personal attack on Jose and nobody cares.

The 'he's arrogant' comment that led to 'monaco who' wasn't particularly bad. The second one was and the FIGC/CONI should throw the book at him.

I don't like Mourinho one bit, don't think I ever will. but threats like that are just not acceptable or appropriate, not even against him.

In Hindi we have a proverb that rought translated means 'It takes two hands to clap!' Both of them ought to be punished. Lo Monaco probably getting the harsher sentence. Wonder how many days before Jose gets a bullet in an envelope.

We have it as something like 'you can't clap with one hand', or 'one hand can't make a sound'! but that proverb hasn't got anything to do with the Mourinho-Monaco case, at least not in our language

Lo Monaco's comments are offensive, he should get a fine or something. And the worst thing is he's doing just what Mourinho wants. The Arrogant One loves to make people angry with his disrespectful comments and Lo Monaco is doing just that...

I think ignoring Mourinho annoys him even more than losing. So people should start doing that and he will shut up in the end.

By the way, it's easy to play it smart when you're winning comfortably but Mourinho did not say anything about what would have happened if he was playing in Júlio César's place against Panathinaikos...

Pana..were your parents big fans of Panathinaikos? Or does your name have nothing to do with the club? Do they have the same basic root word or something?

I just can't figure out what that means...

Nothing to do with Panathinaikos. My name is a common one here and it's derived from Madonna's name in Greek which is Panagia. 'Pan' in Panathinaikos "shows" completeness so it's 'The Whole of Athens' in Panathinaikos...
I hope I'm clear.


It means I think Mourinho is a smartass.

Absolutely. I was hoping that your family kinda owned Panathinaikos I guess.

Oh that's a different issue. Yeah, we do own Panathinaikos! And I watch the games with Fay in the stadium suite!!

Shut up!! I kill you!!! ANd no...no tongue sticking smiley either...

I will murder your @$$!!!!





*calms down*

Look...why don't you settle for a nice local girl like Vaso Kolida or something huh?

WTF!?!? How do you know her, I'm really scared now!

How do you think I fell in love with Fay?? They look a bit similar except, I think Fay has a fuller body. A woman's body...if you get what I mean.

Greek women are meant to be curvy, not sticklike. If you ever see Vaso down at Bar Guru Bar...do tell her ok?

They rock. FACT.

Indubitably . Pana does not know how good he has things there. Just go off and google greek beauties. Oh my lord!!! You lucky b@stard dst!!!

What the **** is going on? I did not know we export them to other countries!???!!