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han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 1 2008, 08:52 PM)
well sky sports said that City have opend talk with barca and lead the pack for signing him    dry.gif
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As R7 said, if Milan really want him and R10 also really wants Milan as has costantly been said, I can't see Man City ever getting him, personally I can't see Dinho playing for them and I don't think he wants to go there either, I don't even think he wants to play in England. But if this thing with Milan not wanting to pay what Barca are asking but some ridiculous low sum that no one would ever except for a player like Dinho no matter how out of shape he is atm, I can see Dinho compromising by going to Chelsea. Simple as that.

Galliani has been unreasonable regarding what he wants to pay for R10, and I personally don't understand him since he was willing to pay a ridiculous ammount for Adebayor. And maybe Barca do want some ridiculous ammoun also for him, but I think if Galliani were to even be willing to meat them half way in their demands a deal would be easily struck
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 1 2008, 11:58 PM)
Milan isn't exactly a poor club. It is one of the top two most richest clubs in Serie A, the other being inter (atm) ...

If Milan want Ronaldinho and Ronaldinho wants Milan .. Then Chelsea have no game.

City are no longer in the fix, as it seems.
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I didn't say we are poor, but for some reasons I don't know of, we cannot compete with English clubs and even Spanish ones anymore.

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=759393
Zed.D
Well said han. the amount we're offering for 'Dinho is a joke, there's no way Barca are going to let him go for 15 million.
han2503
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 2 2008, 08:02 AM)
I didn't say we are poor, but for some reasons I don't know of, we cannot compete with English clubs and even Spanish ones anymore.

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=759393
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Personally I don't believe Galliani's whole logic about how Serie A clubs cannot keep up with their Spanish and English counter parts, especially when you see Inter splashing the case on any high profile player that comes their way even when that player is not needed.

We all don't know what's going on behind the scenes and which ways the money is going. And personally I don't believe the taxes BS either, other clubs have high paying wages also.

And maybe it is true that Silvio has cut the money life line who knows, but just from our many sponsership deals and the player sales we have made, Sheva, Gila and Oli to be more precise, I think it's fair to assume that we should be more then able to afford R10.
CrazyMilanFan
i think we never offered those figures for adebeyour. the press said that we had offered 25 for r10 some months ago as well and then gallaini denied that i think they just create these stories i am sure milan would have never offered something like 35 million for adebeyour
Tennie
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

In more 'they need to learn their place' news, Gazzetta is reporting that the LA Galaxy have made another offer to Barcelona for Ronaldinho. This one is 30 million to Barca for the player and a guaranteed contract for Ronaldiho of 18 million euros/season.
kurtsimonw
That's insane..

It would be good for the MLS, but the last I heard, they have a salary cap so surely there's no way they could afford both R10 and Becks? Unless they change the rules again!
Warchant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 2 2008, 07:11 AM)
That's insane..

It would be good for the MLS, but the last I heard, they have a salary cap so surely there's no way they could afford both R10 and Becks? Unless they change the rules again!
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each MLS team has 2 spots on their roster where they can bring in "big names." These 2 spots have no salary cap attached to them. It's actually called the Beckham Rule. That's how they were able to bring Beckham in.

the Galaxy still have one more spot on their team.

back on subject: I think in the end Barca will have to take 15 million for R10. His contract runs up next year and if they don't get any money for him this year then he will walk away for free.
Tennie
I thought it was only 1 designated player/team (though the designated player slot can be traded). Doesn't Landycakes qualify as a designated player?
Warchant
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 2 2008, 10:11 AM)
I thought it was only 1 designated player/team (though the designated player slot can be traded). Doesn't Landycakes qualify as a designated player?
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it's 2 i believe. teams can trade their spot to other teams if they like. Donovan doesn't qualify as a designated player because he is not a "big european name." I'm not sure how you qualify to be a big name. Claudio Reyna is considered a designated player because he came from Europe. Plus, Donovan was already under the salary cap when the rule was made.

[i stand corrected...it is just one. teams can only have a maximum of 2. i guess LA has picked up another one.]
Tennie
I think perhaps LA did trade for one. Still, they'd be better off using money for a decent defender. Their attack isn't bad but their defense....well, my fish doll could probably do a better job.

Anyway back on topic, today's next Ronaldinho rumor has him/his agent talking to Chelsea and Felipao.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Warchant @ Jul 2 2008, 03:15 PM)
it's 2 i believe. teams can trade their spot to other teams if they like. Donovan doesn't qualify as a designated player because he is not a "big european name." I'm not sure how you qualify to be a big name. Claudio Reyna is considered a designated player because he came from Europe. Plus, Donovan was already under the salary cap when the rule was made.

[i stand corrected...it is just one. teams can only have a maximum of 2. i guess LA has picked up another one.]
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Donovan came from Europea, as did Xavier, so surely they should be designated players?

Personally I think the MLS are just making rules up as they please to allow bigger name players to come in. This will be the end of the MLS in my opinion, Galaxy from what I hear are loaded, and they also seem to be the ones linked with the big names like Ronaldinho. If this is the case, they'll just walk the league every year and fans of other teams will just lose interest in the sport as unless you support LA, you won't be winning anything.

As for Ronaldinho.. I'm not convinved anyone is interested in him, not even Milan. There's seems to be too much talk coming from nowhere and his agent. I think they're just acting like everybody wants him, but there just doesn't seem to be any offers from anyone..
Fillipo Simone
unsure.gif ...when will we ever sign this one...
CrazyMilanFan
well gallaini has commented on seedorf words so seddorf did say all that abt no need of R10
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 2 2008, 03:42 PM)
As for Ronaldinho.. I'm not convinved anyone is interested in him, not even Milan. There's seems to be too much talk coming from nowhere and his agent. I think they're just acting like everybody wants him, but there just doesn't seem to be any offers from anyone..
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I find that hard to believe considering the fact that I just saw Galliani talking about a deal becoming more likely today on Studio Sport.
Warchant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 2 2008, 10:42 AM)
Donovan came from Europea, as did Xavier, so surely they should be designated players?

Personally I think the MLS are just making rules up as they please to allow bigger name players to come in. This will be the end of the MLS in my opinion, Galaxy from what I hear are loaded, and they also seem to be the ones linked with the big names like Ronaldinho. If this is the case, they'll just walk the league every year and fans of other teams will just lose interest in the sport as unless you support LA, you won't be winning anything.
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donovan came back from europe before the rule was put in place. him and a few other players were grand fathered into the new system.

it has actually helped the mls. ticket sales are up and the galaxy are definitely not the most supported team in the mls. i believe dc united still holds that title. the u.s. is a big place...people on the east coast aren't going to support a team on the west coast and vise versa.

imo, the galaxy aren't even the best team in the mls right now. they may have one of the best records, but they just got thrashed by d.c. united.
kurtsimonw
I agree with what you're saying there. But I think if Galazy were to keep getting more and more top players, they'd become unstoppable in that league. But hopefully it continues and helps the USA NT as well as it's domestic league.
Rossoneri7
Why bother dry.gif
Jako19
I can only see it as a good thing if they get another big name, cuz the galaxy gets sold out crowds for beckham alone, even at away games. This will help other MLS clubs with ticketsales when galaxy comes to play in there stadium. Then they might be able to buy a big name of their own after a while.
Tennie
DC support really is kind of fun. They have TAILGATE parties before each game and there's a lot of beer passing around the Barra Brava/Screaming Eagles sections. Plus, they make up some really fun chants for opposing teams.

As for Ronaldinho raising the profile of MLS...not so sure it's going to help that much mroe than them having Beckham already is. LA's doing all right in the league but they're hardly dominating.

As for Ronaldinho transferring somewhere else...the last interviews with him that I've read have him speaking of Barcelona in the past tense so clearly his intention is to depart. I also think that with the Brazilian colony at Milan, he'd be more comfortable there than he would in Manchester or LA -- assuming he's really serious about continuing to play at a very high level and not just party til the wee hours. If he's more into partying then perhaps LA is a viable option. I think he's still serious about playing.
TriniKing_CE
Ofcourse he is more serious about playing, yes he may like to party and what not but when it came down to it, it never adversely affected his playing until he began to actually have problems with Barca (at which point I think he was just partying without thinking of his barca image cuz he didn't care that much anymore after being critisised by the fans, media etc.).
The media certainly helped us in believing that he cares only about having a good time partying and what not but I am alomst certain he is keen on being the icon of football once again!
acid911
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Jul 3 2008, 04:35 AM)
The media certainly helped us in believing that he cares only about having a good time partying and what not but I am alomst certain he is keen on being the icon of football once again!
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God, I miss that. sad.gif At one time he was the indisputable king of the game.
kurtsimonw
Man City Hopefull Over Ronaldinho

This is just dragging on and getting boring now.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 3 2008, 09:05 AM)
Man City Hopefully Over Ronaldinho

This is just dragging on and getting boring now.
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they are hoping but gallaini is gointo barca on monday cool.gif
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 3 2008, 09:06 AM)
they are hoping but gallaini is gointo barca on monday  cool.gif
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I read that on goal.com, and then there was another headline just above it stating that Milan and Chelsea have lost interest because of his weight.

As kurt said, this is dragging out way too much.

But if we are really serious in getting him we should do it now and fast. R10 could completely screw us over by having a great olympic tournament, thus Barca raising his price.

Better to try and get him as cheap as we can right no rather then waiting
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 3 2008, 11:23 AM)
I read that on goal.com, and then there was another headline just above it stating that Milan and Chelsea have lost interest because of his weight.

As kurt said, this is dragging out way too much.

But if we are really serious in getting him we should do it now and fast. R10 could completely screw us over by having a great olympic tournament, thus Barca raising his price.

Better to try and get him as cheap as we can right no rather then waiting
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the the chelsea and milan article is only on goal where as gallaini flying to barca is also on medaset so this one seems more relible that the R10 being fat....
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 3 2008, 10:45 AM)
the the chelsea and milan article is only on goal where as gallaini flying to barca is also on medaset so this one seems more relible that the R10 being fat....
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Yeah noticed that, just getting fed up with all these stories.

Hopefully Galliani will manage to do something useful while in Spain
CrazyMilanFan
gallaini is going but he also said that chelsea are in for him so it will be difficult ( he deleyed it a lot) then he said if sheva moves it shall be milan again he said after that he is not moving
Zed.D
How many times does Galliani go to Barcelona and comes back empty handed?
Tennie
Maybe he really likes the sangria. biggrin.gif

To be serious for a moment, Barcelona are having elections on the 6th (I think it's the 6th). It's not guaranteed that Joan Laporta will be reelected - lots of folks are apparently not happy with him. If the other candidate (Rosell) is elected, there's some speculation that it might be harder to get Ronaldinho away from Barca since Rosell is the guy who brought Ronaldinho to Barca from PSG.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 3 2008, 02:36 PM)
How many times does Galliani go to Barcelona and comes back empty handed?
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yea the amount he spends on travel could have beeen used in the transfer a while ago and R10 would have been bought innocent.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 3 2008, 05:10 PM)
Maybe he really likes the sangria. biggrin.gif
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laugh.gif Yeah I suspect he goes there as a tourist not Milan's GM dry.gif
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 3 2008, 02:11 PM)
yea the amount he spends on travel could have beeen used in the transfer a while ago and R10 would have been bought  innocent.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif Exactly what I was going to say
gal_kenny
Galliani: Milan won't break bank for Ronaldinho


AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani insists the club will not pay over the odds for Barcelona playmaker Ronaldinho.



After a disappointing and injury-hit season, Ronaldinho has been told by the Catalan giants he is not part of their plans as they make wholesale changes after two trophy-less campaigns.


There has been no shortage of interest for the two-time FIFA World Player of the Year with Manchester City having already had detailed discussions with the Brazilian and Chelsea also linked with the player.


Yesterday City's executive chairman Garry Cook claimed they had a '50-50' chance of signing Ronaldinho but Galliani claims Milan are leading the pack, although he insists a deal will only be completed if the price is right.


'It seems to me that Ronaldinho has placed Milan at the top of his desires, even if Chelsea has a lot of appeal,' he said.


'We have to see how much the final cost will be, the transfer and then his signing-on fee. But I don't promise anything to the fans.


'In any case in attack we already have Marco Borriello, Filippo Inzaghi, Kaka, Alexandre Pato. If we can get someone else then good, if not we'll stay how we are. We're already competitive.


'I'm not happy not making big signings, I'm a fan too, but a big transfer will only be done if there's the right conditions.


'Players who cost, between wages and other things, 20 million euros (£16million) a year, aren't compatible with Italian clubs' bank balances.'


Galliani has dismissed the prospect of Chelsea's former Milan star Andriy Shevchenko returning to the San Siro.


'If Sheva comes to Italy, he comes to us,' he continued.


'He was one of our targets but we have been told that he is not for sale.'

espnsoccernet.com
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (That bald idiot)
'Players who cost, between wages and other things, 20 million euros (£16million) a year, aren't compatible with Italian clubs' bank balances.'

But didn't you confirm that we were interested in Adebayor, who's gonna cost twice that 'uncompatible' price. blink.gif

He makes me want to cry.
han2503
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Jul 3 2008, 04:29 PM)
'We have to see how much the final cost will be, the transfer and then his signing-on fee. But I don't promise anything to the fans.
'In any case in attack we already have Marco Borriello, Filippo Inzaghi, Kaka, Alexandre Pato. If we can get someone else then good, if not we'll stay how we are. We're already competitive.
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CrazyMilanFan
R10 brother/agent again said that 80-90 percent chance that R10 sign for milan i wont believe anything untill it is officil and a lot depends on election in barca
Rossoneri7
He doesn't promise anything ... Fair enough ... But at least he is working on a deal. Milan has to bring someone in, no matter what is reiterated in the media as of late and no matter how many think the club isn't headed in the right direction .. This is not the kind of Milan that I know; they will bring a world class player. It's just a tease, they will bring Milan back to it's feet!

This isn't where Milan deserves to be, as this is not the place of the reigning #1 club in the world! There is another chapter and I hope that by the end of this window, I see a different attitude than the one that is being swayed everyday by the daily gossips and articles that are being cycled since the beginning of last season till today.

Maybe this club isn't as popular with the media as Madrid or Chelsea are, but it is as affective (if not better) in terms of hauling in the needed players, no matter who they are! Milan doesn't need to steal the headlines .. Keeping the atmosphere within Milanello serene, but still producing fruitful additions; as a start, the trio of Borriello, Zambrotta and Flamini, and I believe these are just the appetizer from what is to come.

Look at Madrid or Chelsea .. There is so much turbulence within those teams you don't know who's staying or who's going ... Had Milan been such a club, Shevchenko wouldn't be sulking about his move and Kaka' wouldn't have signed his extension and Maldini wouldn't have sold his soul to Milan, and on and on history can tell you ..

What it really comes down to is that this club is special .. And it will remain that way in it's own uniqueness.
vnata001
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 3 2008, 05:15 PM)
He doesn't promise anything ... Fair enough ... But at least he is working on a deal. Milan has to bring someone in, no matter what is reiterated in the media as of late and no matter how many think the club isn't headed in the right direction .. This is not the kind of Milan that I know; they will bring a world class player. It's just a tease, they will bring Milan back to it's feet!

This isn't where Milan deserves to be, as this is not the place of the reigning #1 club in the world! There is another chapter and I hope that by the end of this window, I see a different attitude than the one that is being swayed everyday by the daily gossips and articles that are being cycled since  the beginning of last season till today.

Maybe this club isn't as popular with the media as Madrid or Chelsea are, but it is as affective (if not better) in terms of hauling in the needed players, no matter who they are! Milan doesn't need to steal the headlines .. Keeping the atmosphere within Milanello serene, but still producing fruitful additions; as a start, the trio of Borriello, Zambrotta and Flamini, and I believe these are just the appetizer from what is to come.

Look at Madrid or Chelsea .. There is so much turbulence within those teams you don't know who's staying or who's going ... Had Milan been such a club, Shevchenko wouldn't be sulking about his move and Kaka' wouldn't have signed his extension and Maldini wouldn't have sold his soul to Milan, and on and on history can tell you ..

What it really comes down to is that this club is special .. And it will remain that way in it's own uniqueness.
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sigh...you are right. its been an aggravating last few seasons tho. the fans writing that petition are completely right tho. the success in the last 2 years has been the players performing miracles, not the management. its just tantalizing to hear dinho's name dangled in front of us yet we can't touch it. that's the ultimate tease, and that's not fair for the management to do.
kizo



2 years ago: Ronaldinho With Ball Inside The Shirt

2 days ago : Without Ball


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KillerMax
Now that's gotta a bring his price down a bit... biggrin.gif
Rossoneri7
Don't feel like translating the whole interview, I'll just post the points ..


Bronzetti was interviewed on 'Centro Suono Sport' channel on the program 'Centro Suono Sport'

About Ronaldinho:

- There is a BIG possibility that he could move to Milan.

- I know him personally and he is a very ambitious person.

- He has gained some weight, but that doesn't mean that he is finished. From my point of view he is #1, but he doesn't seem motivated in Barca anymore.



About Adebayor:

- It is possible that he could move to Barca.

- There are a lot of people here who want a big name signing and he fits the bill.


About Luis Fabiano:

- He is not a far fetched dream, he costs 14MM eur


About Baptista:

-Ancelotti always showed his interest in Baptista.

- But Ancelotti has put his faith in Pato for the time being.
Habitant
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jeeeze he's a fat @ss puke.gif puke.gif puke.gif

milan cant afford this tubby rolleyes.gif
arivanjj
wen was that? any clips?

edit: just found this... he might've put on weight but goddamn he's still got it cool.gif

plus losing weight wasn't much of a problem when Ronaldo came here.. i dont see why his should be!
Habitant
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Jul 5 2008, 03:07 AM)
wen was that? any clips?

edit: just found this... he might've put on weight but goddamn he's still got it cool.gif

plus losing weight wasn't much of a problem when Ronaldo came here.. i dont see why his should be!
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he started off well but when the excitment wore off i dint see much improvement.

and yes R20 looked pretty good but that was an exhibition, damn i wish i saw that game... ohmy.gif
Zed.D
@ ari

+1

I don't think even the management and Carlo are worried about some extra kilos. Ronaldo was older and more out of shape when he came but that wasn't a problem. Ronaldinho needs motivation, that's it.
arivanjj
QUOTE (Habitant @ Jul 5 2008, 03:47 PM)
he started off well but when the excitment wore off i dint see much improvement.
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the excitement didn't wear off... his injuries wore him off.
Nova
Who cares about his belly. He's got more technique then any player at Milan , i know he can find his form back. Its never a bad thing to have R10 in your team.

It's been bad enough to rely on Kaka all season, poor guy. With R10 we at least have more options , should (and god forbid) anything happen with Kaka.
TriniKing_CE
Laporta managed to get by with the Barcelona Presidental Elections, so hopefully negotations will continue with Barca over Ronaldinho (or whatever you currently refer to him as: Ronnie, R10, Dinho, Gordinho tongue.gif ....etc.)
Hopefully well begin to see things materializing once again and a deal will be struck between us and them sooner than later.
Regardless, if it takes us to the last day of the transfer window. - Better later then never! wink.gif cool.gif
kurtsimonw
You missed Horsinho and Fatinho.
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