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Bluesummers
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 2 2008, 10:52 PM)
And I hope a smack on the head to de Assis. Can't believe we bought Oli, just to make this b-tard happy, so he'd give us his brother. And he goes around and screws us.

It's obvious that's what happened, which pissed Silvio off and he came out to say he isn't interested anymore in R10.

Coz if poor form etc was the reason,we wouldn't have brought Ronaldo. Who hadn't played in months.
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m1ke
Everyone has a bad season (Kaka?). Ronaldinho is still one of the best in the world, whatever way you cut it.

Only thing is, I'm not sure where he would fit in the team. I can't see him replacing Seedorf or Kaka in the Xmas tree, and he's not exactly the ideal partner for Pato. It would be best if Seedorf moved back into midfield along with Pirlo and Rino, and let Kaka and 'Dinho sit behind Pato. But again, I can't see that happening.
Jack Sparrow
Off the top of my head,he'd fit in a 4-2-3-1 without Pirlo.

---Rino/Ambro----Emerson----
----Kaka-----Pato--------R20---
------------R99/Gila/<hell put Galliani here it would still work>


I always felt Brazil should have tried something like this in the world cup, instead of that flawed golden quadrilateral BS.

Or you could put Pirlo in and have Pato play as sole striker with Seedorf.

---------Emerson/Rino--------Pirlo--------------
---------Kaka----------Clarence--------R20----
----------------------Pato------------------------


Clarence can play his treq role...but still drop back if needed.

This should work, since the presence of three number 10s two of them capable of being strikers...means that the tactic our Serie A opponents use of having a box-2-box mid exploit the gaps left by us when we are on the attack, and/or pressure Pirlo is nullified.

Look R20 is very useful to us technically. But not that imperative that we should spend 80 mill on him. There are other work arounds.

But he is a shirt seller, and the idea of Brazil's best playing for Milan...R20-Kaka-Pato is like a recycling of the Dutch era. Who knows maybe, R20 is the missing link...For instance, he plays much better than Kaka in closed spaces. Still not as good as Ronaldo, but better. As for attitude, I'm sure the Brazillian contingent will help with it. Cafu, Ronaldo, Sergio, Dida....they'll get along fine.

However for 80 mill?? The price tag...the injury jinx are both factors that count against R20 coming here.


I'd lke R20 here....just not for 80 mill. biggrin.gif Now there's a free transfer we could use. Besides hasn't R20 played enough to buy his contract out?
m1ke
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 3 2008, 09:13 AM)
However for 80 mill?? The price tag...the injury jinx are both factors that count against R20 coming here.
I'd lke R20 here....just not for 80 mill. biggrin.gif Besides hasn't R20 played enough to buy his contract out?
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Milan are once more being linked with unsettled Barcelona star Ronaldinho after Vice-President Adriano Galliani met with the Brazilian’s agent.

The two-time FIFA World Player of the Year has completely fallen out with Barça and isn’t even in Frank Rijkaard’s Champions League squad.

Although he is under contract at the Nou Camp until 2010, ‘Dinho will almost certainly leave the club in the summer.

Milan President Silvio Berlusconi had been determined to lure the 28-year-old to San Siro, but seemed to have gone cold on the idea recently.

However, Galliani met Ronaldinho’s brother and agent Roberto Assis and market consultant Ernesto Bronzetti for dinner yesterday after a three-month hiatus and rumours suggest that the hunt may be back on.

It has been suggested that it would take around £12m to sign ‘Dinho and that the former PSG man would be willing to take a pay cut from his current £5m per year.

The fee would be a considerable reduction on the £30m quoted this time last year, but there is still the possibility Ronaldinho could use FIFA Article 17 to escape Barça.

Article 17 allows players to buy out their contract at a club as long as they are at least 28 and have spent five years at a club.


While Galliani’s meeting with Assis may have been to discuss Ronaldinho, it is equally likely that they were talking about Ricardo Oliveira, who is also a client of Assis.

The Rossoneri-owned hitman has been on loan to Real Zaragoza and has impressed with 11 La Liga goals, but the Spaniards seem unwilling to invest £10m to make the deal permanent.
Zed.D
I would certainly take R10 for 12 million pounds!
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 3 2008, 09:13 AM)
Off the top of my head,he'd fit in a 4-2-3-1 without Pirlo.

---Rino/Ambro----Emerson----
----Kaka-----Pato--------R20---
------------R99/Gila/<hell put Galliani here it would still work>
I always felt Brazil should have tried something like this in the world cup, instead of that flawed golden quadrilateral BS.

Or you could put Pirlo in and have Pato play as sole striker with Seedorf.

---------Emerson/Rino--------Pirlo--------------
---------Kaka----------Clarence--------R20----
----------------------Pato------------------------
Clarence can play his treq role...but still drop back if needed.

This should work, since the presence of three number 10s two of them capable of being strikers...means that the tactic our Serie A opponents use of having a box-2-box mid exploit the gaps left by us when we are on the attack, and/or pressure Pirlo is nullified.

Look R20 is very useful to us technically. But not that imperative that we should spend 80 mill on him. There are other work arounds.

But he is a shirt seller, and the idea of Brazil's best playing for Milan...R20-Kaka-Pato is like a recycling of the Dutch era. Who knows maybe, R20 is the missing link...For instance, he plays much better than Kaka in closed spaces. Still not as good as Ronaldo, but better. As for attitude, I'm sure the Brazillian contingent will help with it. Cafu, Ronaldo, Sergio, Dida....they'll get along fine.

However for 80 mill?? The price tag...the injury jinx are both factors that count against R20 coming here.
I'd lke R20 here....just not for 80 mill. biggrin.gif Now there's a free transfer we could use. Besides hasn't R20 played enough to buy his contract out?
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If Ronaldinho is at the right price I think we should get him, as you said, he would give us different alternatives to how we play, thus not relying on Pirlo.

The 4-2-3-1 formation would be the most ideal to play without Pirlo

-------Emerson--Rino--------
----Pato----Kaka----R20-----
-------------Gila---------------

With that type of formation you can switch player how you want, play Seedorf or Pirlo instead of one of the defensive mids, or play Seedorf in the middle behind the strikers and use Pato as the sole striker.

And we would havemany options when resting players. Even reverting to the 4-3-1-2 and resting Kaka would be very easy as Ronaldinho can play in that position better then Seedorf

But still, I wouldn't want him if it's a huge sum, I think he's done well for himself to lower his price considerably
m1ke
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 3 2008, 12:31 PM)
-------Emerson--Rino--------
----Pato----Kaka----R20-----
-------------Gila---------------
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Tennie
Never thought I'd say it, but at the prices currently being quoted, even I wouldn't mind seeing Ronaldinho at Milan.

That said, I'd make one minor change to Han's proposed 4-2-3-1: Gila OUT, Paloschi IN. 96.gif
kizo
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Galliani dinner with de Assis in Milan !



KillerMax
Ronaldinho can solve many problems for us and that formation looks too exciting to turn down. I don't think he is coming though. We'll see.
Jack Sparrow
It would be a dream formation.


For 12 mill??? Forget Benzema...sign the buck tooth. Win the CL and the scudetto and then sign whoever you want.biggrin.gif

@10ster: Paloschi?? You could play Paloschi's granddad in that position, he'd end up capocanonniere and we could turn around and trade him to Roma for Aquilani. Sound good?
Zed.D
Ronaldinho Out For Six Weeks

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It's OVER. I think we won't see him in Blaugrana shirt again...
fahad
Speculation that Ronaldinho was to sign for Milan was increased when it was revealed that de Assis has dined with Rossoneri Vice President Adriano Galliani.

"I did not speak to Milan about the situation of my brother,” insisted the Brazilian.

“We were at dinner, but we only discussed about Ricardo Oliveira, who is having an excellent season.

”I have not spoken with Inter either.”

Super agent Ernesto Bronzetti earlier today declared that Milan were “interested” in signing the 28-year-old.

"Ernesto is a friend of mine and that is his opinion,” de Assis said.

“I do not know what will happen. This is an important moment and we need to think carefully about the future. I will also meet with the leaders of Barça and see what happens.”
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=647097
armiss
With Ronaldo being ready + Ronaldinho & Kaka & Pato & Inzagi and Shevchenko , Boriello or Olivera we can fight in UCL & Calcio very easy

this formation it is more probable because about Ronaldinho , Ronaldo & Shevchenko there is very serious talks !


for me if there was a very fresh Ronaldo we could win everything but he needs back up , i see Ronaldinho & Shevchenko as back ups for him ! Boriello or Oliveira as young elements ! with this way Pato would grow & grow & grow !


Then we would only & only need some charges in defence !
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (armisse @ Apr 4 2008, 07:47 PM)
With Ronaldo being ready + Ronaldinho & Kaka & Pato & Inzagi and  Shevchenko , Boriello or Olivera we can fight in UCL & Calcio very easy
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There's no way on earth you could keep those players all happy. Especially when Carlo plays so many DMs!
armiss
This is the main reason that they will come here , in fact this is the main reason that Milan choose olders becuz this is the moment of their career that they need more relaxing and not be always a regular player , so why they dont choose Milan ? we know that we have enough games to play and we need enough of top players .
arivanjj
Berlusconi: We Are Waiting On Ronaldinho

Berlusconi has been a long time admirer of the Brazilian, having made numerous attempts to take him to the San Siro in recent years, and it looks like he could finally get his man if his comments in an interview on Italian television on Friday are to be taken seriously.

While the Spanish press was breaking news of the injury that will possibly rule Ronaldinho out for the rest of the season, Berlusconi was in front of the 'Mediasat' cameras, suggesting that Milan were close to completing a deal for the twenty-eight year old.

"We are waiting on Ronaldinho," he affirmed. We are hoping..."

Although Berlusconi refused to elaborate, Catalan daily Sport has taken the hand gesture that followed his words as indication that a deal is imminent.

Earlier in the week, the Spanish press stated that the player could invoke Article 17 of the game's laws that would mean that he could buy himself out of his own contract.

The interview comes just days after Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani met with Ronaldinho's brother and agent Robert de Assis for dinner, and although both parties suggested that the meal was simply a social affair, it seems that the wheels are in motion for Ronaldinho to play in the red and black of Milan next season.


goal.com
kurtsimonw
He's starting to p!ss me off as much as Galliani. Wasn't it a few weeks ago when he says we are not, nor ever were, interested in him. rolleyes.gif

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This is the main reason that they will come here , in fact this is the main reason that Milan choose olders becuz this is the moment of their career that they need more relaxing and not be always a regular player , so why they dont choose Milan ? we know that we have enough games to play and we need enough of top players .

8 strikers? Come on.

I think 3 top strikers and 1 good/happy on the bench striker is enough. 4 top striker is almost impossible, but 8? Boriello and Oliveira would never get a game, besides the CI, with all these striker in the squad. tongue.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 5 2008, 12:20 PM)
He's starting to p!ss me off as much as Galliani. Wasn't it a few weeks ago when he says we are not, nor ever were, interested in him. rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, I do remember that... and it was quite recently.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Apr 5 2008, 10:14 AM)
Yeah, I do remember that... and it was quite recently.
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Berlusconi On The Market (March 10th 2008)

A whole 26 days ago he said this. laugh.gif

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MILAN - Here are the words of president Berlusconi on the market: "Ronaldinho has never been an objective for us because we didn't he think he would be compatible with Kaká and Pato. I think Milan will have to reinforce the defensive department and find a powerful striker. Shevchenko is a physically strong player who is still in our heart and that of every Milan fan."

So now he's compatible? Right.. rolleyes.gif
m1ke
When have we ever taken what Galliani & Berlusconi say seriously when it comes to transfers? Would you rather them publicly list every player we're currently trying to bring in?

You have to take everything they say with a pinch of salt - it's the only way. I don't think they're stupid - they know a reasonably cheap 'dinho is too good to pass up.
armiss
QUOTE (m1ke @ Apr 5 2008, 03:12 PM)
When have we ever taken what Galliani & Berlusconi say seriously when it comes to transfers? Would you rather them publicly list every player we're currently trying to bring in?

You have to take everything they say with a pinch of salt - it's the only way. I don't think they're stupid - they know a reasonably cheap 'dinho is too good to pass up.
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Agree
armiss
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 5 2008, 01:20 PM)
He's starting to p!ss me off as much as Galliani. Wasn't it a few weeks ago when he says we are not, nor ever were, interested in him. rolleyes.gif
8 strikers? Come on.

I think 3 top strikers and 1 good/happy on the bench striker is enough. 4 top striker is almost impossible, but 8? Boriello and Oliveira would never get a game, besides the CI, with all these striker in the squad. tongue.gif
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We really need them , do you forget our disaster season in attack , i think we lost many games for our lost scoring chances &


Why 8 ? Ronaldo ( Nonregular ) , Inzagi ( Nonregular ) , Shevchenko , Pato & a Motivated Boriello or Oliveira



I saw Ronaldinho as AM
redbabies
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kurtsimonw
QUOTE (armisse @ Apr 5 2008, 10:54 AM)
Why 8 ? Ronaldo ( Nonregular ) , Inzagi ( Nonregular )  , Shevchenko , Pato  &  a Motivated Boriello or Oliveira     
I saw Ronaldinho as AM
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Strikers: Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Boriello, Pato, Oliviera.
AMs: Kaka', Ronaldinho.

You honestly think we could keep all them happy? tongue.gif Pippo, yes, he'd be happy with anything. But whichever AM is on the bench will not be happy and neither will R9/Sheva/Marco/Pato/Oli when they're not playing - And I highly doubt Oli and Marco will accept being bench/Coppa players after they've proven they can both be very decent starting strikers elsewhere.
m1ke
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 5 2008, 11:02 AM)
You honestly think we could keep all them happy? tongue.gif
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Maybe Carlo will switch to a 4-1-5 wink.gif
redbabies
Oli won't come back. Forget about it.

Sheva's not coming either.

Borrielo has a slight chance of coming (even though it OK for me if he stays where he is smile.gif )
redbabies
QUOTE (m1ke @ Apr 5 2008, 12:05 PM)
Maybe Carlo will switch to a 4-1-5 wink.gif
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

With only Brochinho in midfield.
armiss
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 5 2008, 03:32 PM)
Strikers: Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Boriello, Pato, Oliviera.
AMs: Kaka', Ronaldinho.

You honestly think we could keep all them happy? tongue.gif  Pippo, yes, he'd be happy with anything. But whichever AM is on the bench will not be happy and neither will R9/Sheva/Marco/Pato/Oli when they're not playing - And I highly doubt Oli and Marco will accept being bench/Coppa players after they've proven they can both be very decent starting strikers elsewhere.
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I said Boriello or oliveira , only one of them & yes they are Very decent starting strikers but not for Milan , they are young and motivated , plus that Ronaldo conditions is very similar to Pippo , he cant make risks too much , who remains ? Shevchenko ( he is older and ready for more injuries ) & Pato ready to grow biggrin.gif
armiss
QUOTE (m1ke @ Apr 5 2008, 03:35 PM)
Maybe Carlo will switch to a 4-1-5 wink.gif
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We have a better choice 1-1-8 biggrin.gif
Portman


With Mourinho in Inter bench next season I find it difficult for them to sign Ronaldinho. As you know Mourinho doesn't like those tricky-pony players, prefers hard-working players.

On the other hand: Berlusconi says he's waiting for Ronaldinho answer, Ancelotti says he fits, Galliani denies everything in the dinner with Assis, his agent brother.

So we might have a good chance of getting Ronaldinho. I dunno if he's exactly what we need but he's a world class player. And those players fit everywhere.

We could play him as LW, AM (rest Kaka' or Seedorf) or SS (pair up with Pato or other foward/striker).

Get him.
fahad
we are in need of a player who can play AM and SS and R10 certainly can play at those players
dst
If Ronaldinho can get to 60% of who he was two years ago then I'd be more than worth it to sign him. But in my opinion it's a big risk. I'd be surrpised if he rediscovered himself.
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 5 2008, 12:52 PM)
If Ronaldinho can get to 60% of who he was two years ago then I'd be more than worth it to sign him. But in my opinion it's a big risk. I'd be surrpised if he rediscovered himself.
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I personally think he can get to that, I find it really hard to believe that he can ever get to 100% but 60% is reachable with the right training regime and attention, I think that's all he wants, ettention and at Barca he isn't getting it anymore.

The changing of teams (which in turn shifts back focus onto him) and him conciously knowing how much a guy like Silvio wants him to play for his team will be a big boost for him. I think moving to Milan would do him good and see him ruturning to not his best but atleast the 60% that is required of him to be useful to Milan.

Yes he is an attention wh@re, but if what he needs is attention to play well then moving to Milan might be exactly what he needs to get him back on track
TriniKing_CE
Anyone has a good photoshoped picture of Ronaldinho in an Ac Milan Shirt.
I had one but cant find it.
Zed.D
We can't really complain if he's coming to Milan for less than £20 million...
fresh_prince7
Why don't you think he can back to 100%?

He hasn't undergone any major injuries. I'd say if he wants to take his thrown back, I'm sure he could. Just a question of motivation and drive.

I'm still not sure on him. But better him than nobody, thats what it comes down to now. Pathetic when you have to think like that. On the positive he gives several options in the midfield setup.
fahad
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Apr 5 2008, 09:17 PM)
Anyone has a good photoshoped picture of Ronaldinho in an Ac Milan Shirt.
I had one but cant find it.
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http://milannews.it/storage/img_notizie/th...323158ronal.JPG
IoRDanCHo
False thread tongue.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (fahad @ Apr 5 2008, 01:26 PM)


Cool thanks...
btw - you edited that pic from Football Manager 2008 didn't you? - lol
fahad
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Apr 6 2008, 02:15 AM)
Cool thanks...
btw - you edited that pic from Football Manager 2008 didn't you? - lol
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i didnt edit it i just found it on a milannew.it but it does seems like FM
Portman


Galliani before today's match: "I believe we're in pole position for Ronaldinho."

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=76891
TriniKing_CE
I would welcome him to the San Siro, infact I would welcome him with open arms, especially given the fact that rumors state he could possibly leave Barca for around 20 Mil Euros. (In my eyes its sort of a bargain, I really am not to pleased to be hearing the rumors that he may end up at Inter though mad.gif , even though I belive Murhnio to possibly be going to Inter come summer, and i can't see the two co-existing - so should this come to past i can't see him going there, also given the fact that that Milan holds a large Brazilian contingent record & Inter is known rather for its Argentines. And to top it off he knows of Berlusconi's great admiration for him, so i really hope should he leave Barcelona that he picks us.) wink.gif
dst
Pole Position again? Hope we won't end up crashing on the last round of the race again... rolleyes.gif
morgoth
R10 could be great for us, but we should be very careful with him, it's more of a gamble I think mellow.gif

The problem is I'm not really convinced that Kaka-R10-Pato is that good, I mean they don't complement each other at all, with R10 we'll need and in box striker, someone like Tony or Gila, therefore I cant' make my mind dry.gif
bigmacmtl
yep, there all three of them like to drop deep. it's not going to work... but of course big names are all that matter rolleyes.gif
fahad
Barca: No Milan Contact Over Ronaldinho
Txiki Begiristain stated that he has had no contact with AC Milan about Ronaldinho and reiterated that the club have no plans to meet the player's agent.
As media speculation continues to suggest that the Brazilian superstar will leave Camp Nou this summer, the club's technical director was playing it cool.

AC Milan supremo, Silvio Berlusconi, admitted that he was interested in Ronaldinho recently, but Begiristain insists that there has been approach.

"We have no proof of any interest," he stated after being pressed on the subject of whether the Italian outfit have sounded out the Blaugrana.

Ronaldinho has suffered an injury that has ruled him out for the rest of the season and some are suggesting that he has played his last game for the club.

"I do not want to touch on that because all we want is that he recovers as soon as possible," Begiristain continued.

"Now is not the time to analyse anything."

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=650003
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 6 2008, 10:53 AM)
Pole Position again? Hope we won't end up crashing on the last round of the race again... rolleyes.gif
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Hope we will. Ronnie is probably the most talented player in the world but he seems to prefer some nice beers... (It's not like I couldn't understand...)
fahad
zambrotta and R10 for 30 million and then we will give R10 his full image rights from that he can make abt 12-15 million a year that what i have read... all values are in euros
redbabies
Posted in other thread too.
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