Their defense without Chiellini is about like ours without Nesta. It's even sadder given that they have the ghost of cannavaro playing for them too. Time was, he was actually quite good.

I'm all for Palermo or Napoli going to the CL next year. it's not like Juve's presence makes that big a difference!

Wiretaps of Inter President Massimo Moratti talking to refereeing designators form an integral part of Luciano Moggi’s trial.

Moggi, the former director general of Juventus and by many considered the great power behind Calciopoli, is at the centre of a civil trial into the same incidents.

“Quite simply either everyone is innocent or everyone is guilty. In my view, everyone is innocent,” declared Moggi after today’s dramatic court session.

“Maybe not everybody expected these developments. I invite everyone to think carefully and reflect on the matter.”

Moggi will try to prove that he was not pulling the strings of Italian football by communicating with the refereeing designators in order to favour Juventus.

He has always maintained he was only one of many who regularly spoke to the officials and acted only to ‘protect’ Juve.

This is why it was such a coup to release the transcripts of a wiretapped conversation between Inter President Moratti and designator Paolo Bergamo.

“Moggi was accused of violating Article 1, which represents fair play,” explained lawyer Prioreschi.

“I ask the FIGC and the Naples Tribunal why this same action was not taken against Moratti when the designator asks him if he likes the referee assigned to his match, after having asked the same of Giacinto Facchetti?

“On Tuesday we will ask for transcripts of all the wiretapped calls that were inexplicably ignored during the preliminary investigation. Essentially Calciopoli took different approaches to different people for the same incidents.

“In the phone calls there is talk of meetings and dinners between Moratti, Facchetti and Bergamo. So why was that not even transcribed when the police had a stakeout to film the dinner between Diego Della Valle and Bergamo?”

The incriminating phrase in the wiretap is from designator Bergamo ahead of a Coppa Italia tie with Bologna, which ended 3-1 to Inter on January 13 2005.

“Seeing as there is no draw for the referees, but a direct designation, I have sent you Gabriele. I made sure he will be accompanied by two very good assistants.”

Bergamo has hit back at the accusations of wrongdoing, at the same time suggesting Moggi is right to claim everyone is innocent in the Calciopoli scandal.

“I’m not remotely surprised at these conversations, I always said that I spoke to everyone,” said the former refereeing designator.

“I’ve been told there is another conversation in which we both compliment Bertini after his performance in a game between Inter and Sampdoria.

“Didn’t the Calciopoli trial insist Bertini was part of the pro-Juve ‘cupola’? It seems this so-called pro-Juve organisation wasn’t very solid.”

January 9th, 2005 12:53 just before the Inter-Sampdoria 3-2

Facchetti: Hello Paolo, Facchetti.

Bergamo: Hello Giacinto.

Facchetti: I'm going to the stadium and I told my boys to have a certain tact, some availability with Bertini(ref). I told the players, Mancini and others.

Bergamo: You'll see it will be a nice match.

Facchetti: Okay.

Bergamo He's predisposed (Bertini) to make a great game.

Facchetti: Yes, okay.

Bergamo It's a challenge that you will see, we will win together.

Facchetti: I just wanted to tell you that I did (referring to the fact that he spoke to the team not to take the wrong attitude towards Bertini ed).

Bergamo: You'll see things will go the right way, then the team will start to have confidence in making the results, boost it's moral. ...

Just to jump the gun slightly... So when do we get to see inter & Moratti get fined & penalized?

*if* something is done, then yeah they should. But i'm not sure anything will be done. It should be, though. the whole 'we'll win together' bit from Bergamo to Facchetti is, well, a pretty good indication that something's up. so's the fact that these particular wiretaps got buried for 4 years.

It's coming from Moggi's trial.

Here's the latest article from Corriere della Sera, Italy's biggest daily newspaper (NOT the same as corriere dello sport): link

Nobody's really paying attention in English right now.

There is no way that someone would come to the conclusion you posted above by reading what I posted. You're just messing around here so I'm not going to continue with this.

Not messing around at all. I'm going to put this one down to the language barrier. Which appears to be 20ft tall in this case.

I'm still putting this down to you messing around by coming up with things I did not say. I really don't understand how one can go from

"I don't agree that players and managers deserve to be equally credited. The players deserve it more in my view." (what I said)

to

"his impact is minimal and the players mostly do it themselves" (what you say I meant).

Someone should also explain to you that the word 'more' is not definite. Saying "the players deserve it more" does not necessarily mean "the coach's role is minimal". That's the extreme interpretation there... and you're only choosing it because you're messing around.

Again, I said "more" not "so much more it's ****ing impossible to conceive"... I see no language barrier there!

To butt in since I have nothing better to do. I'm with dst, those 2 sentences mean different things entirely.

1 is saying that the players should get more credit then the coach and the other is saying that the players mostly do it themselves.

I don't see what the confusion is.

Mazzei: "Sono in macchina che vado a Coverciano.."
Facchetti: "Sceglili bene per domenica sera eh.."
Mazzei: "Il n.1 e il n.2, da quello che penso, Ivaldi e Pisacreta"
Facchetti: "Ivaldi e Pisacreta?"
Mazzei: "Eh sono il n.1 e il n.2"
Facchetti: "Si certo, e il n.1 degli arbitri.."
Mazzei: "Eh si, speriamo che ci caschi con questo sorteggio del cavolo, che ci caschi il n.1.."
Facchetti: "Non li non devono fare sorteggi, ci devono.. "
Mazzei: "Come si fa Giacinto, purtroppo ci vuole fortuna"
Facchetti: "Ma dai.."
Mazzei: "Ti dico la verità, qui un sorteggio lo fa un giornalista, devono studiare una griglia e le possibilità? sono più alte..."

Maybe I didn't understand it properly, but what is wrong with that conversation exactly?

Please don't say that! Moratti is a rich mother****er. that'd be nowhere near enough.

'Forgive and forget about Calciopoli'

Thursday 8 April, 2010

Palermo President Maurizio Zamparini believes people should forgive and forget about Calciopoli despite new revelations from the trial in Naples.

Luciano Moggi's defence lawyer has presented evidence that appears to implicate Inter and further involve Milan in the scandal that first emerged in 2006.

Juventus have taken a bold position on the evidence, releasing a statement in which they say everyone should be treated equal.

The Bianconeri were relegated for their part in the scandal, while Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina and Reggina all received points-penalties.

Speaking to Radio Kiss Kiss, Zamparini said: “I don't believe that we should open a new Calciopoli trial. At this point it would be best to forgive and forget.

“It doesn't seem opportune to me to start new proceedings on the basis of new wiretaps that have emerged in the last few days.

“Let's erase the past and think only to the future.

“As for the rest, much worse things happened 20 or 30 years ago,” he concluded.