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TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 26 2014, 05:41 PM) *
If Pippo is the second choice then the exercise in sacking Seedorf is futile as there is zero difference between the 2

We need experience, a strong hand who can guide these bunch of individuals into being a great unit. Appointing another rookie will just mean wasting another season

Also, what really pisses me off is the fact that we could have appointed Tasso as interim in the winter and not made Seedorf retire from his playing career which was still going well for him in Brazil. Only to taint another relationship with a club great and fire him after a few months of admittedly good work considering his lack of experience and time

+1
Jack Sparrow
Pro-management sources saying, things between Zee and the players deteriorated. Especially the Italian contingent was not very happy with him. Plus he rubbed the 'seniors' wrong.

Inzaghi is cheap and respects the management too much for my liking. We will see how things progress. One benefit he does have - Zero expectations from the fans on him. He will not be expected to improve anything drastically.

All said and done, good luck to Clarence, and shame on Silvio and Galliani. sleep.gif
X-Offender
So, Pippo is 99% the new Milan coach. An official statement is expected soon.
Jack Sparrow
I can't wait for the mud-slinging to start post this.

All the players who hate him, starting to talk shite about Clarence and so on.. rolleyes.gif
Danny
If Pippo is appointed our youth program just went to sh*t and so did the first team.

Yes, worse sh*t than it's already in.

An even worse appointment than Seedorf.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ May 27 2014, 11:22 AM) *
If Pippo is appointed our youth program just went to sh*t and so did the first team.

Yes, worse sh*t than it's already in.

An even worse appointment than Seedorf.


What's that got to do with our youth program?
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (Danny @ May 27 2014, 05:52 PM) *
If Pippo is appointed our youth program just went to sh*t and so did the first team.

Yes, worse sh*t than it's already in.

An even worse appointment than Seedorf.


The youth program started with Galli. It's been reaping dividends. In any case it's not our primavera that will be our salvation. The primavera is the output of a past stagnant program. They're too old and too long in the old system.

Wait for the Allievi Nazionali and the soon to be reformed Beretti programs.
dst
I want to laugh at how stupid this is but I can't even do that... so so sad. Galliani and Berlusconi are becoming more and more pitiful.
X-Offender
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 27 2014, 10:39 AM) *
What's that got to do with our youth program?


Prima?
Danny
QUOTE (dst @ May 27 2014, 12:34 PM) *
I want to laugh at how stupid this is but I can't even do that... so so sad. Galliani and Berlusconi are becoming more and more pitiful.


Really hoped Babs getting power would put us on the right track. Instead we're regressing further and further.
Danny
I have respect for Pippo, but this will wreck Prima imo and he's absolutely not the right man for the job.

I wanted a real manager. Why do we refuse to appoint one?!
X-Offender
The Primavera will have another coach. Problem solved.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 27 2014, 02:09 PM) *
The Primavera will have another coach. Problem solved.


Just think Pippo was especially good at it.
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ May 27 2014, 03:27 PM) *
Just think Pippo was especially good at it.

He was doing good, but really, as someone else mentioned. The current primavera is not the bi-product of our supposed new youth "project"

We'll only see the fruits of that in later years. Although I think it's just a catch phrase Galliani likes to use to make them sound innovative and interested in bettering the club. I don't think there's any youth project.

Pippo leaving the Primavera now won't make much difference, the players there are already past the point where training methods and such could be that much more influential on their development
dst
QUOTE (Danny @ May 27 2014, 02:26 PM) *
I wanted a real manager. Why do we refuse to appoint one?!

Because we'd have to pay him like a real manager.

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 27 2014, 03:45 PM) *
Pippo leaving the Primavera now won't make much difference, the players there are already past the point where training methods and such could be that much more influential on their development

I can't agree with that, I see players in their 20s all over Europe that are tactically underqualified.
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ May 27 2014, 04:37 PM) *
Because we'd have to pay him like a real manager.


I can't agree with that, I see players in their 20s all over Europe that are tactically underqualified.

I think that's something different

Some of the best youth around right now are players who have been schooled at Clubs that start them out young. Barca and Dortmund come to mind. Yes, they're still at a young age and can learn, but they are past the years for the fundamentals to be learnt
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ May 27 2014, 04:37 PM) *
Because we'd have to pay him like a real manager.


But paying Seedorf €10 million after unjustly firing him we can afford? Nah, I don't buy this crap. We can afford guys like Emery and Jesus no problem, it's just that we don't want to.
acid911
I might have read somewhere that Seedorf did not take any compensation money. unsure.gif Mutual consent, no cash involved. If true, classy. Unlike that rat that was Allegri. But hey, it's free dough, eh?
X-Offender
QUOTE (acid911 @ May 27 2014, 06:35 PM) *
I might have read somewhere that Seedorf did not take any compensation money. unsure.gif Mutual consent, no cash involved. If true, classy. Unlike that rat that was Allegri. But hey, it's free dough, eh?


I just read today that we have to pay €10 million for him.
acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 28 2014, 01:53 AM) *
I just read today that we have to pay €10 million for him.

Ah, my intel is from tomorrow, though. sleep.gif Around the time of the Inzaghi Berlusconi meet.
X-Offender
QUOTE (acid911 @ May 27 2014, 09:01 PM) *
Ah, my intel is from tomorrow, though. sleep.gif Around the time of the Inzaghi Berlusconi meet.


What?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 27 2014, 10:53 PM) *
I just read today that we have to pay €10 million for him.

Zee or Allegri? What a stupid waste.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 27 2014, 09:12 PM) *
Zee or Allegri? What a stupid waste.


Zee.
mishie
3 managers in the last 5 months, 2 pay outs, promote the youth coach when Spaletti is available, Donadoni was interested....WTF!
Barbara has become a puppet, Maldini all but crying out to be on board, a salary cap on any new players of €2.5m per season if this is progress then i'm completely confused.

dark,dark days
Fillipo Simone
Yes. Nothing can be predicted anymore. We've crossed the line and started behaving like a headless chicken. But the thing that irks me most is like B&G don't care about time. The thing that makes me infuriated and sad at the same moment is that I have a feeling this situation has no resolution in the near future and could be dragged for years.
mishie
I agree, new investment is needed yet when some is offered gets spurned away, no players of any substance will arrive and supermario will be sold after the WC and we'll depend on some fictitious youth project which never has or never will materialize

p!ssed off?...yeah you could say that.
I've seen some dark days before but at least the club looked it had some balls to deal with the situation, but these same people now look like clowns as juve, Roma, Napoli, Fiorentina and to some extent the Merda all seem to have projects and ambitions why we just fu!k about going round in ever decreasing circles feeding the fans BS!

sorry for rant sad.gif
kurtsimonw
Inter will be very, very good in a few years time. As you said, they have a project.
Jack Sparrow
I can at this point only agree with Gattusso. This is the same club that packed the stadium when it was in Serie B.

The fans can take a lack of success, we are not the spoilt brats of Real Madrid. What we cannot take is a lack of transparency and being treated like fools.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 28 2014, 06:34 AM) *
I can at this point only agree with Gattusso. This is the same club that packed the stadium when it was in Serie B.

The fans can take a lack of success, we are not the spoilt brats of Real Madrid. What we cannot take is a lack of transparency and being treated like fools.


You expect transparency from one of the most corrupt persons in Italy? I'm afraid until Silvio kicks the bucket this situation won't change.
Jack Sparrow
Do I expect it? No. Can I demand it as a loyal fan of nearly 20 years? Yes!
dst
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 28 2014, 09:52 AM) *
Do I expect it? No. Can I demand it as a loyal fan of nearly 20 years? Yes!

You can't demand anything because you're not in a position to. The only ones that have some power are season-ticket holders and regular attendants.
Jack Sparrow
F@ck you. I have twitter! mad.gif I shall rage and rage and troll and troll.
Danny
QUOTE (dst @ May 28 2014, 10:23 AM) *
You can't demand anything because you're not in a position to. The only ones that have some power are season-ticket holders and regular attendants.


Turns out season ticket holders have no power either. Ask Rangers fans...
Danny
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 28 2014, 11:40 AM) *
F@ck you. I have twitter! mad.gif I shall rage and rage and troll and troll.


Yup, hence my mentions are filled with you every bloody day!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 28 2014, 10:43 AM) *
You expect transparency from one of the most corrupt persons in Italy? I'm afraid until Silvio kicks the bucket this situation won't change.

and even then, who knows.
mishie
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 28 2014, 01:40 PM) *
F@ck you. I have twitter! mad.gif I shall rage and rage and troll and troll.

whats your twitter name...i'll stalk er i mean follow you wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (mishie @ May 28 2014, 08:14 PM) *
whats your twitter name...i'll stalk er i mean follow you wink.gif

Probably

@WackoJacko_Official
Forza Milan!
Disappointed by the decision to appoint Pippo instead of someone with experience. Not entirely surprised, though. It was the "easy choice", and that seems what we do these days.

FWIW, here is what I think ...

Berlu's biggest problem is not uncommon for people that have had his level of success. My guess is he thinks he is infallible, and most likely people around him confirm his belief (telling him otherwise or questioning his judgement would be "career-limiting" - in fact, I have to wonder if that is part of what went wrong with Seedorf). This "I can do no wrong" thinking could easily extend to Milan ("problems? there is nothing wrong with the team!" - anyone remember the dead parrot routine?). It could also explain absurdities like this. (Now, I maintain that with a decent coach we could have challenged for a CL spot. But the scudetto? This year? With the team we had? No way!)

Galliani performed decently when he had plenty of money (decently, not great - Moggi, for example did a lot better for Juve, IMHO). Now that he has to operate with minimal funds, his limitations are more obvious. His strategy seems to be (1) go for "parametro zero" deals (which may help in the short term but hurt us in the long run), (2) wait for Raiola or Preziosi to hand him a "deal" on a platter (ever wonder why we ended up with Gabriel?), or (3) get players "on loan" and then find a way to re-negotiate (think Tarrabt and Rami, or even Aquilani a few years ago). Berlu is no help, when he has money to spend he seems to go for "show" rather than substance. There is no real plan for "building for the future" that I can see, and IMHO Galliani is out of his depth. Of course, he cannot admit to that because ...

It is no secret that there is a power struggle going on between Barbara and Galliani. Round 1 went to Galliani (last summer he was reconfirmed in his role and he got to keep Allegri), round 2 went to Barbara (she got an official role on the team, got Allegri sacked and Seedorf appointed in his place), and now it looks like rounds 3 is going to Galliani (Seedorf sacked, Pippo in charge). If you keep this power-struggle in mind, it becomes easier to understand certain decisions that otherwise do not make much sense. And Berlu is probably finding it easier to side with Galliani because of what Berlu sees as a long and successful history.

Where does all of this leave us? Don't know, but it does not look promising ...
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 29 2014, 03:48 AM) *
Probably

@WackoJacko_Official


laugh.gif

I'm pretty sure I could set my twitter handle to that. biggrin.gif

@Drunk3nPirate is my nom de plume. Who are you on twitter?

QUOTE (Danny @ May 28 2014, 07:17 PM) *
Yup, hence my mentions are filled with you every bloody day!


You complete me. I hereby dub you and @kurtsimonw my twitter wives.
Fillipo Simone
So, Inzaghi is officially appointed?
Jack Sparrow
No. Not till they can end ties with Seedorf. However his appointment just remains a formality is what they claim.
Fillipo Simone
So we're really going to sack Seedorf based on two or three players who underperformed? Good God.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 29 2014, 07:54 PM) *
So we're really going to sack Seedorf based on two or three players who underperformed? Good God.

No, IMHO they are sacking Seedorf because (1) he was not Galliani's choice, and (2) Galliani is trying to maintain his power (the "two or three players who underperformed" are just an excuse). In other words, Seedorf is a "casualty" in the ongoing power-struggle between Galliani and Barbara, and it looks like Galliani is back on top .

Not that this makes it any better ...
mishie
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 29 2014, 06:53 AM) *
laugh.gif

I'm pretty sure I could set my twitter handle to that. biggrin.gif

@Drunk3nPirate is my nom de plume. Who are you on twitter?



You complete me. I hereby dub you and @kurtsimonw my twitter wives.

@neale_mark
feel free to follow smile.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 29 2014, 09:35 PM) *
No, IMHO they are sacking Seedorf because (1) he was not Galliani's choice, and (2) Galliani is trying to maintain his power (the "two or three players who underperformed" are just an excuse). In other words, Seedorf is a "casualty" in the ongoing power-struggle between Galliani and Barbara, and it looks like Galliani is back on top .

Not that this makes it any better ...

It actually makes things worse. How on earth did Galliani regain power? And to have the audacity to pull everything in motion just because Seedorf wasn't his choice...again, good God. I feel ashamed. When will this man ever step back?
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 30 2014, 07:27 AM) *
It actually makes things worse. How on earth did Galliani regain power? And to have the audacity to pull everything in motion just because Seedorf wasn't his choice...again, good God. I feel ashamed. When will this man ever step back?

Ry4n
Three people steering one ship its near impossible for two people to do it but three...

I don't understand the reasoning to sack Seedorf won't this hurt us more financially. Pippo's my hero but its very harsh on seedorf who quit football to coach this shambles of rag tag team of misfits.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Ry4n @ May 30 2014, 12:54 PM) *
Three people steering one ship its near impossible for two people to do it but three...

It's two, I think (Berlu does not do much). But I agree that the current situation is not sustainable. (That is, assuming I am guessing right. For all I know Galliani and Barbara may be best of pals by now.) My guess is that the infighting will continue behind the scenes until one of the two prevails.
QUOTE
I don't understand the reasoning to sack Seedorf won't this hurt us more financially. Pippo's my hero but its very harsh on seedorf who quit football to coach this shambles of rag tag team of misfits.

The reasoning? IMHO power struggle between Galliani and Barbara (keep in mind, people at the top tend to think different - secure your position first, good of the team later).

And yes, this will hurt us financially (but no worry, we will probably sell Balo, and Matri will be this year's special "gift" to the fans). And I also agree that the way we are treating Seedorf goes well beyond unfair.

Don't get me wrong, I love Pippo too, I just feel it is a bit too early for him (like it was with Seedorf) and he has probably been selected because he will do what Galliani wants him to do. Pippo may outperform Allegri, and he will probably do better with the players than Seedorf. However, what we need right now is someone with real experience, not another "experiment".
Forza Milan!
Interesting article: How Inzaghi will structure the team

Too long to translate, but here are some key points in the article:
- 4312 o 433, maybe also 4231
- GK: don't expect anyone new, will be either Agazzi or Gabriel
- D: two solid centrals that can set up the play (Mexes and Rami will do), someone who can attack on the left and someone who can cover on the right (so DS is fine, Abate maybe not)
- M: probably three mids, possibly Monto in the center with Poli and Muntari. Maybe something closer to Carletto's approach, with Monto in the center (Pirlo), De Jong on the right (Gattuso) and someone with quality on the left (similar role as Seedorf used to have) - Poli unlikely, maybe Cristiante.
- F: 433 with El Sha and Taarabt on the wings and Balotelli central, or 4312 with one of Pazzini / Matri up front and Kakà or Honda to "feed" them.

(These are projections based on what Pippo has done with his youth teams. So pure quesswork, IMHO.)
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