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X-Offender
Actually, it was Silvio who pushed Leonardo away. Galliani tried to change his mind.
han2503
I'll just wait to see what happens before we push any panic buttons.


But if it does happen I wouldn be surprised at all. Typcial Galliani and the "new Milan"
Fillipo Simone
Yes, now I remember. Well, it's time the two guys stop playing and agree to be beneficial for the club.
Jack Sparrow
If Seedorf is stepping out, Pippo is stepping in. He is the only one who will. What I read claims that problems are not just Galliani is pissed off or jealous of him.

Apparently he has problems in the locker room with Montolivo, De Sciglio, Abbiati etc. and they want him out or something. unsure.gif
acid911
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 16 2014, 02:12 PM) *
If Seedorf is stepping out, Pippo is stepping in. He is the only one who will. What I read claims that problems are not just Galliani is pissed off or jealous of him.

Apparently he has problems in the locker room with Montolivo, De Sciglio, Abbiati etc. and they want him out or something. unsure.gif

That list of names is really strange...
X-Offender
I read it had mostly to do with Abate and Montolivo.
Rossoneri7
I would wager it is just media talk. Afterall, if everything was awe so rosy, how interesting would their reads be?

Seedorf was signed on with no experience, yet was prepped to take over this summer, however he was hired 6 months prior.

Seedorf's stance is that the current team is not up to par with what Milan has set as targets, hence his requests for a better squad could very well be the catalyst to all this talk.

I believe Seedorf would continue, if only for one more season (full season). If the results arrived we continue, if not, we part ways. But to go through three coaches in less than 6 months, that is something unprecedented at Milan. Only the likes of Palermo have done such a thing.

My two cents on it all, its all too premature.
Fillipo Simone
Actually, I think we've done this in the 1990's.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2014, 07:48 PM) *
Only the likes of Palermo have done such a thing.

Or Inter :-)
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2014, 07:48 PM) *
I would wager it is just media talk. Afterall, if everything was awe so rosy, how interesting would their reads be?

Seedorf was signed on with no experience, yet was prepped to take over this summer, however he was hired 6 months prior.

Seedorf's stance is that the current team is not up to par with what Milan has set as targets, hence his requests for a better squad could very well be the catalyst to all this talk.

I believe Seedorf would continue, if only for one more season (full season). If the results arrived we continue, if not, we part ways. But to go through three coaches in less than 6 months, that is something unprecedented at Milan. Only the likes of Palermo have done such a thing.

My two cents on it all, its all too premature.

Media talk or not, the rumors are continuing. The latest is that Seedorf will go even if we reach 5th place (http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/04/18/4760253/seedorf-e-il-milan-sempre-pi%C3%B9-distanti-il-quinto-posto-forse-non-?ICID=HP_BN_8). Incompatibilities with Galliani and some of the players (Monto and Abate) as well as too much public debate with Curva Sud are cited as the reasons. Though it looks like this will happen at the end of the season (not before).
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 18 2014, 01:55 PM) *
Media talk or not, the rumors are continuing. The latest is that Seedorf will go even if we reach 5th place (http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/04/18/4760253/seedorf-e-il-milan-sempre-pi%C3%B9-distanti-il-quinto-posto-forse-non-?ICID=HP_BN_8). Incompatibilities with Galliani and some of the players (Monto and Abate) as well as too much public debate with Curva Sud are cited as the reasons. Though it looks like this will happen at the end of the season (not before).

Yet Seedorf does not believe he is in trouble (http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/04/18/4759774/seedorf-si-incatena-al-milan-sono-sicuro-di-rimanere-il-prossimo-?ICID=HP_BN_11).
X-Offender
This is ridiculous.
acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 18 2014, 08:02 PM) *
This is ridiculous.

What isn't these days? sad.gif
X-Offender
Apparently ManU are interested in Rami and thus Valencia want to raise his price of €7 million.

Link
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 20 2014, 12:42 PM) *
Apparently ManU are interested in Rami and thus Valencia want to raise his price of €7 million.

Link

Don't we have a loan with option to buy at a fixed price?

I don't think Valencia have any say on the price should we choose to exercise the right of purchase we have on him
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 20 2014, 02:38 PM) *
Don't we have a loan with option to buy at a fixed price?

I don't think Valencia have any say on the price should we choose to exercise the right of purchase we have on him


I don't think there's a fixed fee on the price.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 20 2014, 03:29 PM) *
I don't think there's a fixed fee on the price.

The 6m amount has been mentioned every time Rami's situation is brought up, I'd have thought that's an already agreed upon amount considering all the time it's been mentioned... unsure.gif
William405
I think it's fixed. That's what I read on football-italia.net.
Galliani though wants to buy him for cheaper than 7m. That's the problem.
X-Offender
Looks like Seedorf's a goner for good come the end of the season. Too bad it didn't work out.
acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 28 2014, 06:23 AM) *
Looks like Seedorf's a goner for good come the end of the season. Too bad it didn't work out.

Mind numbing, really. unsure.gif But probably that was always the plan? To get a big name coach after the World Cup, Prandelli maybe. Or someone else, someone that is not an experiment. We'll see, I guess.
han2503
QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 28 2014, 03:10 AM) *
Mind numbing, really. unsure.gif But probably that was always the plan? To get a big name coach after the World Cup, Prandelli maybe. Or someone else, someone that is not an experiment. We'll see, I guess.

No I don't buy that.

Had that been the plan they would have allowed Tasso to take over as interim coach and saved everyone all this hassle, especially for Seedorf who gave up playing when he was still doing very well in the Brazilian league. And they wouldn't have given him a 2 and a half year contract either.

This is just stupid and completely illustrates why we are where we are these days as an institution as well as a team

Now let's see how they handle this, probably waste the entire summer to bring in a new coach with no time left to make some proper changes to a squad that needs a serious clean up
Jack Sparrow
If after all this they just hand the job to Inzaghi, I'll be surprised. Because it would be a pointless exercise.

Anyone thinks that Spalletti getting fired had something to do with it?
X-Offender
No, I don't think Spalletti has anything to do with it. The club just doesn't want him. I read an article yesterday where it pointed a few of Seedorf's mistakes that cost him the job. They included ignoring suggestions from the players, his technical decisions (playing MDS on the right, continuously benching Abate and Poli, not playing Balo and Pazzo together), the way his personal entourage invaded the space of the club's press office, his quirky comments (3/4 of the roster is inadequate) etc.

Now, I understand that the guy did make mistakes, but I think the club is exaggerating the case. Can't this be resolved via talks? Berlusconi hasn't called Seedorf since Lazio-Milan, Barbara when asked yesterday about Seedorf's future said it's not her duty to talk about that, and Galliani simply wants him out. Not sure what his relationship with the players is, but I assume some of them don't particularly like him either.

It's really too bad this didn't work out. The guy gave up playing to become our coach. We could and should have handled the situation better. It is Seedorf after all, a Milan legend, not just some random person.
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 28 2014, 12:57 PM) *
If after all this they just hand the job to Inzaghi, I'll be surprised. Because it would be a pointless exercise.

I'd be surprised if it's anyone else to be honest. sleep.gif Really I'd be.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 28 2014, 03:44 PM) *
It's really too bad this didn't work out. The guy gave up playing to become our coach. We could and should have handled the situation better. It is Seedorf after all, a Milan legend, not just some random person.

This. mellow.gif I wasn't too keen of him coming here in the first place, but this is no way to go.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 28 2014, 12:31 PM) *
I'd be surprised if it's anyone else to be honest. sleep.gif Really I'd be.

This. mellow.gif I wasn't too keen of him coming here in the first place, but this is no way to go.

Yup, it looks to me like it will be Inzaghi.

BTW, I do not think this was part of some grand plan (that would be giving too much credit to the people running Milan these days). Rather, I believe Seedorf was Berlu's decision, Galliani was against it, and now he is leveraging some mistakes made by Seedorf to get his way and re-establish his influence.

Truly depressing. Not just the fact that I was starting to like what Seedorf is doing to the team (style of play and results), but also the fact that this is yet another indication of how truly messed up our management has become. So count me on the list of those hoping Berlu will sell the club to someone else (hopefully someone who will get rid of all the clowns).
X-Offender
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 28 2014, 01:39 PM) *
Yup, it looks to me like it will be Inzaghi.

BTW, I do not think this was part of some grand plan (that would be giving too much credit to the people running Milan these days). Rather, I believe Seedorf was Berlu's decision, Galliani was against it, and now he is leveraging some mistakes made by Seedorf to get his way and re-establish his influence.

Truly depressing. Not just the fact that I was starting to like what Seedorf is doing to the team (style of play and results), but also the fact that this is yet another indication of how truly messed up our management has become. So count me on the list of those hoping Berlu will sell the club to someone else (hopefully someone who will get rid of all the clowns).


Yep, precisely.
acid911
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 28 2014, 06:39 PM) *
Yup, it looks to me like it will be Inzaghi.

BTW, I do not think this was part of some grand plan (that would be giving too much credit to the people running Milan these days). Rather, I believe Seedorf was Berlu's decision, Galliani was against it, and now he is leveraging some mistakes made by Seedorf to get his way and re-establish his influence.

Truly depressing. Not just the fact that I was starting to like what Seedorf is doing to the team (style of play and results), but also the fact that this is yet another indication of how truly messed up our management has become. So count me on the list of those hoping Berlu will sell the club to someone else (hopefully someone who will get rid of all the clowns).

Agreed with everything. sleep.gif
Jack Bauer
Good post, Forza. Yeah, the only real solution I can see is if Berlu will finally sell the club, hopefully to someone serious who will be motivated to turn this mess around. Till then we are stuck with these clowns ruining the team further and further.
Fillipo Simone
So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.
kurtsimonw
I don't like these kind of hirings, they seem to be all about the ego. If a rookie coach does great "I found him, I am the genius that appointed him!" and if he fails "He's a rookie coach, he made a lot of mistakes, it's all his fault".
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 04:10 AM) *
So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.

Not me, sister! tongue.gif I totally agree with you here, it would just send the wrong signal. Not that we've sent several of these in the past few years. And although I am not totally sold on Seedorf (he just might come out good, but he has that twisted baggage with him, ego, maybe), this is no way to go about things.

The real cancer, as I said before, is Galliani, as long as he is running things there won't be any sense of stability in AC Milan. The guy's probably just past it, be my guess. So many mistakes in the past well, decade, really. sad.gif But yeah, unless his performances suggested this, letting go of Seedorf is well a cheap shot.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 30 2014, 11:12 AM) *
I don't like these kind of hirings, they seem to be all about the ego. If a rookie coach does great "I found him, I am the genius that appointed him!" and if he fails "He's a rookie coach, he made a lot of mistakes, it's all his fault".

Neither do I, but to be honest, Seedorf may be a rookie but he is a class player. smile.gif Knows the game inside out. I'd much rather take a risk on him than on someone like Inzaghi (before he is proven, of course). So while I can see where the signing comes form, but really, man, it's downright despicable all round.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 29 2014, 11:10 PM) *
So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.


Err, no, I don't think anyone of us want him out, at least not now. But he's getting fired, that's for sure.
Fillipo Simone
Why is it sure?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 12:33 PM) *
Why is it sure?


Because everyone, and I mean everyone is saying so. And the circumstances seem to vindicate their opinion.
Fillipo Simone
I don't know. As I said, I'm not sold on the idea yet.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 12:10 AM) *
So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.

No, I am not sold at all. In fact, I kind of like what Seedorf is trying to do. Never was fully convinced he was the right person for the job, but now that we have appointed him in the role I think he deserves more than a half season (especially after we kept his predecessor a lot longer than we should have).

However, it looks like he is on his way out.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 01:33 PM) *
Why is it sure?

Only things sure in life are death and taxes. However, it looks very, very likely that he is on his way out. His recent unauthorized interview did not help him, if anything it has given Galliani cause for dismissal without having to pay for the rest of his contract.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 30 2014, 08:12 AM) *
The real cancer, as I said before, is Galliani, as long as he is running things there won't be any sense of stability in AC Milan. The guy's probably just past it, be my guess. So many mistakes in the past well, decade, really. sad.gif But yeah, unless his performances suggested this, letting go of Seedorf is well a cheap shot.

Agreed. Unfortunately it looks like we are stuck with Galliani.
acid911
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 30 2014, 09:54 PM) *
Agreed. Unfortunately it looks like we are stuck with Galliani.

So true. sad.gif As I mentioned a few months back, I'd have gladly given an extension to Allegri if it meant the bald idiot was out. Because Galliani is a wily character, and for some weird reason, instead of directing his wile at other clubs and making unbelievably good deals, he is more interested in playing dirty politics.

There is a bit of a resistance against him, I know, and I can only hope it sees him out. Soon.
acid911
Classic case of too much power getting into one's head, though. mellow.gif Galliani. He should have been reigned in from the start. The guy's been making stupid mistakes one way or another since 2007, really.
CrazyMilanFan
Balo-rvp swap mentioned in English press.
acid911
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 1 2014, 12:45 AM) *
Balo-rvp swap mentioned in English press.

I'd hit it, the only problem being the injuries. sleep.gif Džeko, anyone?
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 30 2014, 11:21 PM) *
I'd hit it, the only problem being the injuries. sleep.gif Džeko, anyone?

If fit, RVP could be great. However, this feels like yet another over-paid player that is past his best days. Why can't we invest in youth?

Džeko is not quite the level of RVP but a little younger. Still ...
acid911
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 1 2014, 03:27 AM) *
If fit, RVP could be great. However, this feels like yet another over-paid player that is past his best days. Why can't we invest in youth?

Totally. mad.gif All it takes is careful planning, some stability, and we can groom quality young talent. Sadly, these are the two very things we don't have, along with the third necessary ingredient, patience. I mean, we can't even settle on a coach, forget the players, really.

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 1 2014, 03:27 AM) *
Džeko is not quite the level of RVP but a little younger. Still ...

Agreed, and he's got heart. smile.gif Not the worst purchase we can make, really, in these circumstances. And well Manchester City owe us a big one after we purchased the troublemaker from them.
Forza Milan!
Interesting comments from Monto.
<http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/05/01/4788057/montolivo-non-si-espone-per-seedorf-ora-%C3%A8-lui-lallenatore?ICID=HP_BN_5>

(Hints at the fact that Seedorf may not be coaching Milan for very long, and sings the praises of Inzaghi.)
Forza Milan!
Another interesting article, with Galliani apparently "instructing" Seedorf on who should play
<http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/05/01/4787366/galliani-punta-su-de-sciglio-abate-poli-e-pazzini-ma-seedorf?ICID=HP_FT_1>

I don't necessarily disagree with what is being suggested (play both Abate and De Sciglio, Poli + Kaka midfield, and both Balo and Pazzo up front). However, it is unusual for Galliani to "coach the coach" (at least out in the open), so it may be another step towards dismissing Seedorf. (Then again, I may be reading too much into this ...)
Forza Milan!
For those of you who believe that a new owner means more money will come into the team, that is clearly not gonna happen with Inter (at least based on this article - http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014...i?ICID=HP_TS_6). Inter will have to operate based on their revenues.

This is one of the reasons for which (until recently) I have been somewhat lukewarm to the idea of Berlu selling the team. However, at this point, I am so fed up with management that I will welcome a change, money or not.
X-Offender
According to Fussball.ch, Milan and Lazio have reached an agreement for Marchetti for €13 million...

Link

... which is obviously pure BS cos I'll die the day we'll play €13 million for a GK.
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