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kurtsimonw
Last 4 Milan coaches.

Leonardo - No pro management experience.
Allegri - From Cagliari, disliked by most.
Seedorf - No pro management experience.
Inzaghi - No pro management experience.

Recipe for success!
mishie
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 9 2014, 10:26 PM) *
My ire with Pippo is not that he isn't a good coach, it's that I feel:

1: It weakens Primavera as he was doing a great job there.

2: We needed a 'real' coach: a Hiddink, a Prandelli, Spalletti - whoever. A big strong experienced manager. Appointing another rookie is just not what I'd expect of the Milan I know.

Unfortunately none of them are "yes" men, and that's what the board want and even tho i fully back Pippo because he is the coach, he still is a yes man
Danny
QUOTE (mishie @ Jun 9 2014, 08:42 PM) *
Unfortunately none of them are "yes" men, and that's what the board want and even tho i fully back Pippo because he is the coach, he still is a yes man


I back him too, I support the Club. For the same reasons you do.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 9 2014, 10:26 PM) *
My ire with Pippo is not that he isn't a good coach, it's that I feel:

1: It weakens Primavera as he was doing a great job there.

2: We needed a 'real' coach: a Hiddink, a Prandelli, Spalletti - whoever. A big strong experienced manager. Appointing another rookie is just not what I'd expect of the Milan I know.

We now have Brocchi running Primavera ...

But yes, I would have preferred someone with experience as well, which is why my initial reaction was negative. However, it is what it is, and I am trying to look at things on the bright side.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 9 2014, 10:34 PM) *
Last 4 Milan coaches.

Leonardo - No pro management experience.
Allegri - From Cagliari, disliked by most.
Seedorf - No pro management experience.
Inzaghi - No pro management experience.

Recipe for success!

My guess is that Berlu is convinced he can discover the next Fabio or the next Pep, and this has turned into an obsession.
X-Offender
Actually, it was Galliani who pushed for Inzaghi. So really, out of the last four coaches we've had that Kurt mentioned, the only one chosen by Berlu was Seedorf. And he turned his back on him in less than five months... rolleyes.gif
Forza Milan!
Balo no longer a sure starter for WC opener
Lawbaba
Balo not starting would really hurt milan as his value might drop a little unless he performs.
Jack Sparrow
Rumours that Silvio has put a decree of 'Top 5 under 25'. He wants an Italian core built around the following players- De Sciglio, Cristante, El Sharaawy, Balotelli and Poli.

I like the idea, what I think we need is a centre back in there.

Quick guys, if you had to pick one Italian CB under 25 who you think has the goods, who is it? Once I know I can b!tch and moan about how retarded we are for not buying him.
Jack Sparrow
So we've given up Salomon plus cash to get Poli. I think that's a decent move. Any one has an idea on the finances of the deal?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 10 2014, 06:03 AM) *
Rumours that Silvio has put a decree of 'Top 5 under 25'. He wants an Italian core built around the following players- De Sciglio, Cristante, El Sharaawy, Balotelli and Poli.

I like the idea, what I think we need is a centre back in there.

Quick guys, if you had to pick one Italian CB under 25 who you think has the goods, who is it? Once I know I can b!tch and moan about how retarded we are for not buying him.


Ogbonna? There aren't many decent Italian CBs around right now.
mishie
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 10 2014, 10:57 AM) *
[b]Ogbonna[/b]? There aren't many decent Italian CBs around right now.

and he certainly isn't one of them!
han2503
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 9 2014, 10:42 PM) *
We now have Brocchi running Primavera ...

But yes, I would have preferred someone with experience as well, which is why my initial reaction was negative. However, it is what it is, and I am trying to look at things on the bright side.

Well if he coaches like he played...

And Ogbonna has so far not impressed at Juve. What was once a country that churned out great defenders like a factory, has now turned into a country that relies on Barzagli, Chiellini and Bonucci to lead the line. With their only backups being Ranocchia, who has totally lost his way, and a mediocre Argentine who shouldn't even be part of the NT imo
Danny
Menez will have a medical tomorrow. Deal should be confirmed very soon.
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 10 2014, 04:17 PM) *
a mediocre Argentine who shouldn't even be part of the NT imo

Who? ohmy.gif
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jun 10 2014, 06:37 PM) *
Who? ohmy.gif


Lionel Messi. Worst centre back in the world. I could score a hat trick in each half if I were playing against him.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jun 10 2014, 01:07 PM) *
Who? ohmy.gif

Paletta.
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 10 2014, 05:23 PM) *
Lionel Messi. Worst centre back in the world. I could score a hat trick in each half if I were playing against him.

I have no doubt you would. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 10 2014, 05:51 PM) *
Paletta.

Thanks. smile.gif
arivanjj
Gazzetta reports that Seedorf was sacked via e-mail...

What do you say to that
X-Offender
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Jun 10 2014, 02:11 PM) *
Gazzetta reports that Seedorf was sacked via e-mail...

What do you say to that


You gotta be kidding me... laugh.gif
han2503
Appalling. Probably Galliani's idea. The biggest low-life of the lot
mishie
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Jun 10 2014, 03:11 PM) *
Gazzetta reports that Seedorf was sacked via e-mail...

What do you say to that

nothing surprises me anymore about this club sad.gif
dst
It's fine if it included emoticons and a few pictures of cute cats.
kurtsimonw
I imagine something like this.

drucurl
Circus fcuking śhït club
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Jun 10 2014, 08:41 PM) *
Gazzetta reports that Seedorf was sacked via e-mail...

What do you say to that


Sad. But this is the same club that is celebrating Carlo Ancelotti's birthday on it's official twitter page. Not once but at least a couple of tweets.

It's bad to do this to Seedorf, but to me this means that relationship just degraded to catastrophe levels. Like a passionate affair gone bad.

The e-mail might be pointed. Apparently when he had a disagreement with Tassotti, Seedorf proceeded to do just that. Send out an e-mail to Tassotti detailing all the do's and don'ts and how he expected Mauro to behave. This is what pushed him to offer to resign apparently.

So the club I imagine argues that respect given is respect earned.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 10 2014, 05:36 PM) *
The e-mail might be pointed. Apparently when he had a disagreement with Tassotti, Seedorf proceeded to do just that. Send out an e-mail to Tassotti detailing all the do's and don'ts and how he expected Mauro to behave. This is what pushed him to offer to resign apparently.


Seriously? If that's true, Seedorf's a bit of a d*ck himself, gotta say...
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 10 2014, 07:03 PM) *
Seriously? If that's true, Seedorf's a bit of a d*ck himself, gotta say...

Regardless of what Seedorf did or did not do, I think Milan treated him very badly. You can part ways in life, but you should always try not to burn bridges, no matter how bad the situation is.

FWIW, I liked a number of things Seedorf was doing with the team, and I found him a big improvement over his predecessor. However, I also had some concerns, for example his being too rigid in his tactics, the reports of unhappiness among the players, as well as some quirky decisions (like insisting on playing Abate and DS on the same side). I also got the sense that he was a bit arrogant in his approach (nothing specific I can point to, just reading between the lines), and this may be part of the reason why it did not end well.
maldini03
I am personally disappointed with how the team has been handling past players lately. With that being said, I am excited about Inzaghi becoming the next coach. Something about the way Seedorf was running the team just didn't feel right. I thought he would be an upgrade over Allegri and would bring back the old family feeling but the locker room problems persisted. I know it's easy to pick apart the team he put out there but his stubborn attitude when it came to his players had me feeling like he was playing favorites. Although he did put together a few nice wins, we would have been better served having Tassotti finish the year after Allegri.

It is disappointing to burn a bridge with a former player but, I believe he still loves the club and the fans, and it is more of a negative feeling towards the management. When a new regime moves in we will have him back.

Despite this, I remember the Seedorf who barely jogged when he was selected to play, and I remember sadly how he seemed to lose interest. On the other hand, Inzaghi always gave 100% effort for the team and I believe he will be the one to bring back the tight knit, professional, and classy attitude the club used to exude.

Combine that with the quick moves we have been making and the "5 under 25" mantra that I read on here have got me feeling that we are in the beginnings of a new era. Inzaghi was the youth coach, and I believe he will be the one to bring through the youth. He was one of the most passionate players and I believe that will translate to his management style, firing up the players to give that extra step.
X-Offender
QUOTE (maldini03 @ Jun 10 2014, 07:20 PM) *
I am personally disappointed with how the team has been handling past players lately. With that being said, I am excited about Inzaghi becoming the next coach. Something about the way Seedorf was running the team just didn't feel right. I thought he would be an upgrade over Allegri and would bring back the old family feeling but the locker room problems persisted. I know it's easy to pick apart the team he put out there but his stubborn attitude when it came to his players had me feeling like he was playing favorites. Although he did put together a few nice wins, we would have been better served having Tassotti finish the year after Allegri.

It is disappointing to burn a bridge with a former player but, I believe he still loves the club and the fans, and it is more of a negative feeling towards the management. When a new regime moves in we will have him back.

Despite this, I remember the Seedorf who barely jogged when he was selected to play, and I remember sadly how he seemed to lose interest. On the other hand, Inzaghi always gave 100% effort for the team and I believe he will be the one to bring back the tight knit, professional, and classy attitude the club used to exude.

Combine that with the quick moves we have been making and the "5 under 25" mantra that I read on here have got me feeling that we are in the beginnings of a new era. Inzaghi was the youth coach, and I believe he will be the one to bring through the youth. He was one of the most passionate players and I believe that will translate to his management style, firing up the players to give that extra step.


Good post.

You know, with Seedorf we got what we should have expected: an experienced but stubborn person with a huge ego. Evidently his personality ended up being his demise.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (maldini03 @ Jun 10 2014, 08:20 PM) *
Combine that with the quick moves we have been making and the "5 under 25" mantra that I read on here have got me feeling that we are in the beginnings of a new era.

Heard it all before though. We were going with youth last summer too. Then spent our whole budget on Matri.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 10 2014, 11:01 PM) *
Heard it all before though. We were going with youth last summer too. Then spent our whole budget on Matri.

Yeah, I agree we have no reason to be overly optimistic based on past history. OTOH, if there ever was a situation where we might actually give space to our youth, it has to be with Inzaghi. So I am hopeful.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 10 2014, 09:02 PM) *
Good post.

You know, with Seedorf we got what we should have expected: an experienced but stubborn person with a huge ego. Evidently his personality ended up being his demise.

Yup, I agree with both of you.
Forza Milan!
This says Sacchi may come back in some role (apparently he met with Galliani and Inzaghi).
Rossoneri7
Its the time of the year isn't it?

Where sport newspapers, football websites and the likes spin us off in controversy biggrin.gif


I don't appreciate Seedorf being sacked, just like I was against his appointment in the first place. Regardless of what the 'rumor' is on why and how he was sacked; fact remains he was sacked for not achieving his target (even if it was a monuments task to begin with).


Inzaghi, is probably the same story. He will be given a target of achieving CL at the bare minimum, if he achieves EL he'll probably get the sack as well.

Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 11 2014, 01:46 PM) *
Its the time of the year isn't it?

Where sport newspapers, football websites and the likes spin us off in controversy biggrin.gif


I don't appreciate Seedorf being sacked, just like I was against his appointment in the first place. Regardless of what the 'rumor' is on why and how he was sacked; fact remains he was sacked for not achieving his target (even if it was a monuments task to begin with).


Inzaghi, is probably the same story. He will be given a target of achieving CL at the bare minimum, if he achieves EL he'll probably get the sack as well.

Neah. Seedorf was sacked because he was not Galliani's choice and because he was too stubborn for his own good. He probably would have been sacked even if we made EL, and by the time he took over CL was no longer a viable objective.
Forza Milan!
This says Carletto is also after Mandzukic. Also, at least one of Pazzini, Paloschi e Matri will leave (Pazzo will probably stay, but it will be very hard to place Matri without losing too much money). De Jong will probably leave (apparently he is a close friend of Seedorf), looks like Arsenal and QPR are interested (QPR has Taarabt, who is still of interest to Milan). And we are still after Rami.
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This discusses our 15 players still in "comproprietà" (half ownership). Their read:
- Inzaghi really likes Paloschi, but there is too much competition for the role and he would not find space
- Saponara has disappointed, but apparently Milan still believes in him
- Albertazzi will probably get purchased by Verona
- Comi and Verdi will probably remain in half ownership with Torino, though we may want to use them to get Darmian or Cerci

(Poli and Salamon have already been resolved.)

Also:
- On the way out: Nocerino, Niang, Didac Vilà and Traorè (problem will be finding buyers, especially the last 2)
- On loan: Rodrigo Ely (Avellino), Kingsley Boateng (Portugal or Holand), Oduamadi, Fossati and Vergara
kurtsimonw
I'm not sure we can afford Cerci, I also think CL clubs will be interested in him.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 11 2014, 04:29 PM) *
Neah. Seedorf was sacked because he was not Galliani's choice and because he was too stubborn for his own good. He probably would have been sacked even if we made EL, and by the time he took over CL was no longer a viable objective.


That is an assumption, based on news snipets and bias towards the management. All of which is subjevtive.

Doesn't matter what type of story each of us comes up with, the matter was handled in a manner we are not 100% sure of; that is a fact.

In any case, Seedorf goes and Inzaghi comes. Wonder if Inzaghi would last more than a season with us and our squad.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 11 2014, 05:26 PM) *
I'm not sure we can afford Cerci, I also think CL clubs will be interested in him.


If Kaka leaves, one of Balo or DS or Abate is sold; Milan would have sufficient room to bring in a good player. As things stand, we are not in a position to compete with clubs that have European football on offer, as a minimum that is.

But even so, is Cerci what we need? Or just another Trabaat?
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 11 2014, 03:44 PM) *
That is an assumption, based on news snipets and bias towards the management. All of which is subjevtive.

Doesn't matter what type of story each of us comes up with, the matter was handled in a manner we are not 100% sure of; that is a fact.

In any case, Seedorf goes and Inzaghi comes. Wonder if Inzaghi would last more than a season with us and our squad.

Any other theory on why Seedorf was let go is an assumption as well smile.gif . The way I see it, he was going to get sacked even if we made EL, and I seriously doubt CL was an objective by the time he took over (we were too far away and the team was in disarray). Of course, I don't have inside knowledge (I base my assumptions on what is reported in the news, and we all know how accurate that is). However, I believe that my theory is plausible.

Inzaghi? We will have to see. The squad is not that great (to put it kindly), other Serie A teams have become stronger in the last couple of years, and Pippo has zero experience coaching Serie A teams. OTOH, Pippo may have what it takes, and our actions so far in the transfer market look promising. So maybe, just maybe, it will work. If nothing else we may finally see more space for younger players. Also, unlike his predecessors, Pippo appears to enjoy the full support of management (it looks to me like Seedorf and Galliani were at odds from the start, and IMHO Berlu was ready to sack Allegri a year before it happened, Galliani plus an amazing comeback saved him - until Sassuolo). So Inzaghi may survive a second year even if we fall a little short of CL.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 11 2014, 03:53 PM) *
If Kaka leaves, one of Balo or DS or Abate is sold; Milan would have sufficient room to bring in a good player. As things stand, we are not in a position to compete with clubs that have European football on offer, as a minimum that is.

But even so, is Cerci what we need? Or just another Trabaat?

Agreed. However, hopefully we are not selling DS or Abate, Balo I care less about (though if we lose him we need someone we can trust).
Danny
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 11 2014, 01:53 PM) *
If Kaka leaves, one of Balo or DS or Abate is sold; Milan would have sufficient room to bring in a good player. As things stand, we are not in a position to compete with clubs that have European football on offer, as a minimum that is.

But even so, is Cerci what we need? Or just another Trabaat?


Because Taarabt has been a failure?

Adel has the quality in his locker to be a world beater. He has pace, skill, and can finish.

He needs to work on his team-play, it's his only weakness. If he can be harnessed in the right way he could be a truly exceptional player. Even his attitude is good, it's just his decision-making at times which isn't.

If that can be honed and tweaked he'd be a truly brilliant player.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 11 2014, 03:09 PM) *
Any other theory on why Seedorf was let go is an assumption as well smile.gif .


No, not assumptions. The guy was sacked due to his "way of doing things", especially due to his relationship with a few key players in the locker room. It's a fact that Silvio had dinner with Galliani and some of these players (namely Bonera, Montolivo and Abate) where they expressed their concerns in regards to Seedorf. And we all read Silvio's statements in that nursery home where he apparently met people "who could handle Milan's locker room better (than Seedorf)".

All these and other things have been reported all over the media, and no-one has denied anything. On the contrary, they all proved to be true as Seedorf was indeed sacked as they suggested months ago.

Baseless assumptions are those made regarding the calciomercato, where journals write all kinds of crap just to get people interested. But what happens inside the club and around the team is different, as there are plenty of people who can provide and leak any kind of information.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 11 2014, 04:23 PM) *
No, not assumptions. The guy was sacked due to his "way of doing things", especially due to his relationship with a few key players in the locker room. It's a fact that Silvio had dinner with Galliani and some of these players (namely Bonera, Montolivo and Abate) where they expressed their concerns in regards to Seedorf. And we all read Silvio's statements in that nursery home where he apparently met people "who could handle Milan's locker room better (than Seedorf)".

All these and other things have been reported all over the media, and no-one has denied anything. On the contrary, they all proved to be true as Seedorf was indeed sacked as they suggested months ago.

Baseless assumptions are those made regarding the calciomercato, where journals write all kinds of crap just to get people interested. But what happens inside the club and around the team is different, as there are plenty of people who can provide and leak any kind of information.

I think we not all that far off in what we are saying smile.gif

Perhaps I tend to trust news sources a little less, as small problems can be amplified and rumors can be spoon-fed to promote someone's agenda. Also, in these situation I tend to look for "cui bono", and Galliani is the one that had a problem with Seedorf from the start (as the decision to sack Allegri and bring Seedorf weakened his position with the club - in fact, for a while there were even rumors that Galliani was on his way out). I think Galliani was quick to leverage issues such as the unhappiness of some of the players, and managed to turn Berlu around (one reason for which I believe Galliani is anything but stupid). Seedorf did not help himself by being stubborn and perhaps even a bit arrogant.
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How serious is FFP? If this is an indication, the answer is "not that much". IMHO, the fines imposed by UEFA on PSG and Man City were relatively light (given how deep their pockets are), and now it looks like UEFA is back-paddling. Bottom line, it feels like UEFA's action will amount to a "slap on the wrist".
Forza Milan!
Pato linked with Napoli, but apparently it is not happening.
Forza Milan!
Menez in Italy, apparently he will officially become a Milan player in the next few days. (I thought his physical was supposed to be today, did that get pushed off?)
mishie
Menez
Looks official
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