han2503
Jul 22 2014, 11:43 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 22 2014, 11:33 AM)

How sure can you be? Raiola is his agent, and this might be an additional problem.
But yes, the three mentioned players are really making our salary policy look ridiculous.
Abate, excluding guys like Zaccardo etc, is considered one of our lower earners, earning something along the lines of 1.5m (somewhere in the region).
No one's mentioned that he wants something ridiculous like 4m per year. I'm sure he wants what he considers fair in terms of his importance within the side and in comparison to what other leeches on this team are earning.
And yeah, Raiola is an issue, but Abate is a product of our youth system, I'm sure that if the management talked with him, they'd reach an agreement that all parties would be happy with. Abate never said that he wished to leave.
And let's look at it this way, selling him will create big headaches for us as seemingly the only option available to us out there is Criscito, which would mean moving DS permanently to the right, and Zenit want good cash for him, which would mean spending any money we get from selling Abate on Criscito (if not more than that as Zenit don't seem eager to sell and they don't really need to money either)
Fillipo Simone
Jul 22 2014, 11:48 AM
Well, you do bring up valid points. But I cannot blame the management for something I don't know and/or understand. I see only frictions but 1) Abate's sale being a issue for almost 2 seasons now, 2) Seedorf not playing him and 3) the contract negotiation rumors - made me think something complicated our relationship with him. It sure sounds easy when you say he's our youth product and the management can surely settle with him on the salary issue, but that's just an educated guess.
han2503
Jul 22 2014, 11:54 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 22 2014, 11:48 AM)

Well, you do bring up valid points. But I cannot blame the management for something I don't know and/or understand. I see only frictions but 1) Abate's sale being a issue for almost 2 seasons now, 2) Seedorf not playing him and 3) the contract negotiation rumors - made me think something complicated our relationship with him. It sure sounds easy when you say he's our youth product and the management can surely settle with him on the salary issue, but that's just an educated guess.
The Seedorf issue is a moot one as he's no longer our coach and every news source has agreed that Pippo plans to have both him and DS as his starting FBs next season.
As for the on-going issue of his contract, I can only imagine that it's been the same one for all 3 years now. Which again brings us back to the ridiculous as during that time they've had no issue giving ridiculous contracts to countless players who ended up being complete leeches.
Let's not forget that Traore (!!!!!!) was earning a sum that is very close to what Abate is earning!
Just to add a bit more to this, Criscito's agent confirmed that he will be staying at Zenit as they don't want to sell him. So if we do sell Abate expect another season of Constant on the left and DS on the right
han2503
Jul 22 2014, 11:57 AM
A little bit of good news, Robinho was not included on the US tour so this could only mean that a deal to sell him to Orlando could be reached very soon.
Milan US tour squad
Goalkeepers: Abbiati, Agazzi, Gabriel
Defenders: Abate, Albertazzi, Alex, Bonera, Constant, De Sciglio, Mexes, Rami, Simic, Zaccardo, Zapata
Midfielders: Benedicic, Cristante, Essien, Mastalli, Modic, Muntari, Pinato, Poli, Saponara
Attackers: Balotelli, Di Molfetta, El Shaarawy, Honda, Mastour, Menez, Niang, Pazzini
Some interesting names from the Primavera in there, hopefully Pippo will continue to give them chances
And looking at that squad, we have too many CBs, not enough FBs
Zaccardo needs to be asked to GTFO, and one of Mexes or Zapata will probably have to be sold, don't know if we're planning on keeping Albertazzi
Fillipo Simone
Jul 22 2014, 12:01 PM
Indeed. Good news.
Jack Bauer
Jul 22 2014, 02:00 PM
Where's De Jong?
Fillipo Simone
Jul 22 2014, 02:03 PM
I suppose he's recovering individually from his WC injury, no?
I'd keep Albertazzi. People had high hopes on him, why not try to integrate him?
Who's Simic now? I keep loosing track with the new names around.
han2503
Jul 22 2014, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 22 2014, 02:00 PM)

Where's De Jong?
Maybe he still has injury problems
Jack Bauer
Jul 22 2014, 02:10 PM
Maybe but his injury wasn't that bad (he played in the semis after all) and there were rumors on twitter yesterday that we either renew or sell him. I really hope it's nothing transfer related.
Jack Bauer
Jul 22 2014, 04:22 PM
Though he might have been given a longer vacation. According to
this, he will join the team in the first week of August.
Santos' president: "There's no chance that Robinho will return to us. His salary is too high."
Looks like Cerci is our number one goal, according to shitload of sources.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 22 2014, 05:15 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 22 2014, 07:57 AM)

A little bit of good news, Robinho was not included on the US tour so this could only mean that a deal to sell him to Orlando could be reached very soon.
Milan US tour squad
Goalkeepers: Abbiati, Agazzi, Gabriel
Defenders: Abate, Albertazzi, Alex, Bonera, Constant, De Sciglio, Mexes, Rami, Simic, Zaccardo, Zapata
Midfielders: Benedicic, Cristante, Essien, Mastalli, Modic, Muntari, Pinato, Poli, Saponara
Attackers: Balotelli, Di Molfetta, El Shaarawy, Honda, Mastour, Menez, Niang, Pazzini
Some interesting names from the Primavera in there, hopefully Pippo will continue to give them chances
And looking at that squad, we have too many CBs, not enough FBs
Zaccardo needs to be asked to GTFO, and one of Mexes or Zapata will probably have to be sold, don't know if we're planning on keeping Albertazzi
I'm ok with zaccardo. Frankly speaking, I'd even prefer Zaccardo to bonera as backup RB. He's pretty solid. I think most of the outrage about him is his age but he's been as fit as anyone this summer and is better defensively and at crossing than Abate ever was...
han2503
Jul 22 2014, 05:30 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 22 2014, 05:15 PM)

I'm ok with zaccardo. Frankly speaking, I'd even prefer Zaccardo to bonera as backup RB. He's pretty solid. I think most of the outrage about him is his age but he's been as fit as anyone this summer and is better defensively and at crossing than Abate ever was...
Have you seen Zaccardo play recently? He's so slow it takes him nearly an entire half to get up the pitch, let alone cross the ball. He's supposed to be a CB but he's a defensive liability there and he's slow AND a defensive liability at FB. The guy is a waste of space and only belongs in bottom table sides.
Bonera is a reliable RB is nothing else
X-Offender
Jul 22 2014, 05:34 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 22 2014, 07:08 AM)

So, losing a "star/marquee" player, a completely useless attacker and a first team player for a 26 year-old winger with no big club experience and one-and-a-half good season and a young striker who recently had a dispute with his NT coach and was mostly a sub for Colombia? I'd say no, because this won't make us any better or more dangerous.
Young? Martinez will be 28 in October.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 22 2014, 05:56 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 22 2014, 07:34 PM)

Young? Martinez will be 28 in October.
Well, one more reason not to go for him. I really had no idea he's that old.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 22 2014, 05:57 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 22 2014, 07:15 PM)

I'm ok with zaccardo. Frankly speaking, I'd even prefer Zaccardo to bonera as backup RB. He's pretty solid. I think most of the outrage about him is his age but he's been as fit as anyone this summer and is better defensively and at crossing than Abate ever was...
??
How did you get to the idea that Zaccardo is better at crossing? No, both Bonera and Abate are better, and since I don't rate any of them very highly...
X-Offender
Jul 22 2014, 06:04 PM
Mediaset says we could get Armero on loan for LB.
han2503
Jul 22 2014, 09:40 PM
We might actually get some decent cash for Robinho
Cruzeiro have made a bid, while Orlando are still in negotiations
Let the bidding war commence I say!
William405
Jul 22 2014, 10:06 PM
Heh, the irony...I just want him gone. What a waste of wages.
How much did we buy him for back then? 15 million? I expected much more from him. The only great performance I can recall of him was the 4-1 win against Arsenal I think.
X-Offender
Jul 22 2014, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 22 2014, 10:06 PM)

Heh, the irony...I just want him gone. What a waste of wages.
How much did we buy him for back then? 15 million? I expected much more from him. The only great performance I can recall of him was the 4-1 win against Arsenal I think.
*4-0
We signed him for €18 million.
kurtsimonw
Jul 23 2014, 01:02 AM
His career has pretty much been a story of wasted potential. He really did have the ability to be something truly special.
TriniKing_CE
Jul 23 2014, 02:45 AM
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 22 2014, 10:00 AM)

Where's De Jong?
De Jong's on vacation until August.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 22 2014, 10:03 AM)

Who's Simic now? I keep loosing track with the new names around.
Simic is another youth team player.
Inzaghi has said he is keen to send him on loan in order for him to get regular playing time though.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 23 2014, 10:34 AM
Oh, thanks.
I hear various reports (goal.com, ghheadlines.com) that Olympiakos renewed their interest in Michel Essien.
han2503
Jul 23 2014, 10:57 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 23 2014, 10:34 AM)

Oh, thanks.
I hear various reports (goal.com, ghheadlines.com) that Olympiakos renewed their interest in Michel Essien.
Didn't know they were interested to begin with. Good, maybe we can sell him for decent cash and get him off the books.
According to the usual round of sources, we're interested in Douglas Costa, Galliani met with his agent (the one with the name I can't spell, he's Tevez's agent as well IIRC) and we're also interested in Romulo.
Don't know how much weight I'd give to either, we're seemingly only focused on either guys we can't get or guys we don't really need
kurtsimonw
Jul 23 2014, 11:06 AM
I can't see us getting much for Essien. Wrong side of 30, always injured, hasn't really put out regularly good performances for about 6 years.
X-Offender
Jul 23 2014, 12:53 PM
- Cruzeiro are out of the race for Robinho due to his high wages demands. We have to find a "parking spot" for him before the MLS starts in March.
- As Fillipo mentioned, we're interested in Douglas Costa
- Galliani dined with Taarabt's agent, we might still be interested in signing him
- Monaco are ready to offer €20 million to Torino for Cerci
Source: Mediaset
han2503
Jul 23 2014, 01:05 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 23 2014, 12:53 PM)

- Cruzeiro are out of the race for Robinho due to his high wages demands. We have to find a "parking spot" for him before the MLS starts in March.
- As Fillipo mentioned, we're interested in Douglas Costa
- Galliani dined with Taarabt's agent, we might still be interested in signing him
- Monaco are ready to offer €20 million to Torino for Cerci
Source: Mediaset
Great, that takes us out of the race
I thought the Taraabt situation was the opposite of that. He's not part of Pippo's plans
X-Offender
Jul 23 2014, 01:16 PM
I'd really love it if we could go after Shaqiri...
Fillipo Simone
Jul 23 2014, 01:54 PM
...any links or just your wish? He's a winner, we'd need such players. But it's a dream.
Jack Sparrow
Jul 23 2014, 02:04 PM
Wish. We are linked with no one special right now.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 23 2014, 02:12 PM
How good is Douglas Costa?
han2503
Jul 23 2014, 02:27 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 23 2014, 01:54 PM)

...any links or just your wish? He's a winner, we'd need such players. But it's a dream.
Juve are heavily linked with him, the only way we'll ever go after young, exciting, talented players again is if Silvio sells the Club.
As of now, we'll continue to sign troubled rejects, free agents and average players.
Also, if we can't get rid of at least Robinho and Essien this summer, plus reduce Mexes's wage, I really can't see us making one decent move.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 23 2014, 03:50 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 23 2014, 10:12 AM)

How good is Douglas Costa?
Very good! unfortunately, his name is a smokescreen for cerci, i suspect...
He'd be coming to a team outside of europe and that can't pay him very much.
The price is being set at 26M...I think the only way we get him is if Balo leaves...
han2503
Jul 23 2014, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 23 2014, 03:50 PM)

Very good! unfortunately, his name is a smokescreen for cerci, i suspect...
He'd be coming to a team outside of europe and that can't pay him very much.
The price is being set at 26M...I think the only way we get him is if Balo leaves...
He's playing in
Russia. Does CL really matter in the face of all the other circumstances he'd have to deal with if he stayed there?
Fillipo Simone
Jul 23 2014, 05:15 PM
What circumstances? You make it sound like Russia is a warzone or something?
han2503
Jul 23 2014, 05:26 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 23 2014, 05:15 PM)

What circumstances? You make it sound like Russia is a warzone or something?
Well, they're certainly not ideal, if I was working there and it wasn't my home country and I happened to have an opportunity to work elsewhere, I'd certainly take it.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 23 2014, 10:42 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:51 PM)

He's playing in Russia. Does CL really matter in the face of all the other circumstances he'd have to deal with if he stayed there?
a ) Ukraine
B ) he doesn't need to play elsewhere to not be there...
and lastly c) do you think his choice is between us and Shaktar or could you imagine a world where other teams might want him?
han2503
Jul 23 2014, 10:51 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 23 2014, 10:42 PM)

a ) Ukraine
B ) he doesn't need to play elsewhere to not be there...
and lastly c) do you think his choice is between us and Shaktar or could you imagine a world where other teams might want him?
Sorry, for some reason I thought he played in Moscow... Not that the situation in Ukraine is much better atm.
What does B mean?
Well so far he hasn't been strongly linked to any other team and Galliani is talking to his agent. So if his choice is between staying where he is vs coming to Milan, I would think it would be a pretty easy decision. Especially considering that he apparently hasn't returned back for training
han2503
Jul 23 2014, 10:52 PM
Also we're being linked with Tonny Vilhena, Galliani apparently enquired about him, Feyenoord want 6m for him according to mediaset
Fillipo Simone
Jul 23 2014, 11:27 PM
Vilhena would be a good pick, even though I would prefer Fer and Clasie.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 23 2014, 11:33 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 23 2014, 06:51 PM)

Sorry, for some reason I thought he played in Moscow... Not that the situation in Ukraine is much better atm.
What does B mean?
Well so far he hasn't been strongly linked to any other team and Galliani is talking to his agent. So if his choice is between staying where he is vs coming to Milan, I would think it would be a pretty easy decision. Especially considering that he apparently hasn't returned back for training
b )*
i've read tottenham, arsenal, man utd...
All it takes is for one of those names to put their hand in the bucket and we don't stand a chance in hell. As i wrote earlier, the price is nearly 30M...
Jack Sparrow
Jul 24 2014, 06:25 AM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:21 PM)

He's playing in Russia. Does CL really matter in the face of all the other circumstances he'd have to deal with if he stayed there?
If I'm not wrong, he's playing in Ukraine. And that makes a big difference from Russia due to the political scenarios.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 24 2014, 08:50 AM
We'll see.
Jack Bauer
Jul 24 2014, 06:19 PM
AC Milan News @Milanello
Galliani: "Mastour will train with the first team this season, and then we will see what team he plays for in the weekends."
Galliani: "We're in talks with Orlando City and they have made an offer, but we are still very far away from reaching an agreement."
Galliani: "Robinho? We're waiting for other offers. We will see what happens."
Galliani: "I've never talked about Douglas Costa. He's a very good player, but his buy-out clause is set at €50m, so he's out of our reach."
Galliani: "Taarabt is a possibility, but Inzaghi prefers a left-footed winger, and we will try to fulfill his wish."
Galliani: "Cerci? We can't do anything until Robinho leaves."
acid911
Jul 24 2014, 07:15 PM
More desperation from the desperate idiot.
kurtsimonw
Jul 24 2014, 07:28 PM
I await the reactions towards Pippo when he signs Cerci.
X-Offender
Jul 24 2014, 08:00 PM
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 24 2014, 06:19 PM)

Galliani: "Taarabt is a possibility, but Inzaghi prefers a left-footed winger, and we will try to fulfill his wish."
Yep, left-footed winger would be great.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 24 2014, 07:28 PM)

I await the reactions towards Pippo when he signs Cerci.
"He" signs Cerci? Pippo wanted Iturbe, the club couldn't fulfill his wish.
kurtsimonw
Jul 24 2014, 08:39 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 24 2014, 09:00 PM)

"He" signs Cerci? Pippo wanted Iturbe, the club couldn't fulfill his wish.
Pippo wants a left footed winger. Cerci would not be signed against his wishes. Though I'm sure some will claim that if he does sign.
han2503
Jul 24 2014, 09:08 PM
If we sign Cerci for something like 10 to 12m I'd be (reluctantly) okay with it. It's a fair price and it's not like we're aiming to win the league or we have CL this season.
But anything more than that and I will be seriously p!ssed off as he's not worth a cent above that
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 24 2014, 07:00 PM)

"He" signs Cerci? Pippo wanted Iturbe, the club couldn't fulfill his wish.
Roma paid 23M for him.
Did you expect us to spunk that much away at a risky investment?
That said, we've been linked to Iturbe for 6 months, don't think it's a Pippo thing at all.
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 09:49 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 24 2014, 07:39 PM)

Pippo wants a left footed winger. Cerci would not be signed against his wishes. Though I'm sure some will claim that if he does sign.
The change in tone compared with Allegri to Inzaghi is comical.
Allegri was personally responsible for wasting 12M on Matri but it would be the club to blame for wasting it on Cerci!
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