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KillerMax
Milan channel confirm we won't sign any of the following:

Blerim Dzemaili, Samuel Eto’o, Radamel Falcao, Adrien Rabiot and Maxime Lestienne.


Good.
han2503
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 25 2014, 06:53 PM) *
Milan channel confirm we won't sign any of the following:

Blerim Dzemaili, Samuel Eto’o, Radamel Falcao, Adrien Rabiot and Maxime Lestienne.


Good.

Di Marzio saying that Lestienne could be a few hours away from done, I'd prefer him on loan than wasting big money on Cerci tbh

Milan channel also saying that we're evaluating CFs and they've been very specific about a midfielder "of quality" from outside Italy is also a target. That's what's really getting me excited atm, I don't really care about the striker or the winger as long as we don't spend huge money

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@Milanello: Milan Channel reports that Milan probably will sign Torres or Borini. Van Ginkel is also likely to be signed on loan.


Torres or Borini... which one deserves the biggest facepalm? And a possible dry loan of a Chelsea youngster just leaves a terribly bad taste in my mouth, we've basically been reduced to a feeder club nowadays. That better have an option to buy with it. Because if not, I'd prefer fricken Dzemaili (although I do think we should still get him no matter who else comes in, he'd bring good depth as opposed to someone like Muntari)
Jack Bauer
Milan Channe also reports that Milan probably will sign Torres or Borini. Van Ginkel is also likely to be signed on loan.

So be ready for Matri 2.0 with a much higher salary.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 25 2014, 07:01 PM) *
Milan Channe also reports that Milan probably will sign Torres or Borini. Van Ginkel is also likely to be signed on loan.

So be ready for Matri 2.0 with a much higher salary.

Anything above 2m for Torres would be stupid, he's been Terrible for 3 years running now
Jack Bauer
We'll probably take him on loan but he earns €8m there.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 25 2014, 07:12 PM) *
We'll probably take him on loan but he earns €8m there.

Yeah, I meant any wage above 2m per year for Torres would be a mistake
Jack Bauer
It would be a mistake either way. Just another useless has-been.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 25 2014, 07:17 PM) *
It would be a mistake either way. Just another useless has-been.

Yeah, but we could all see us signing him after selling Balo was coming from a mile away

It's a typical move. older player who we wanted when he was younger and at his best, but never could shell out the cash for him then, his club doesn't want him, and we will most likely either get him on loan or a miniscule amount of cash because Chelsea would rather sell him for basically nothing than continue to pay his exhorbitant wages while he sits on their bench

What I'm actually curious about is where did all the money go, we could actually end this summer with only 4.5m spent in total on Rami. Nothing else was spent aside from some meagre sum to get Albertazzi's full rights back and I can't imagine it was anything above €750,000, if even that.

We've sold Mario for 20m, sold Constant for 2.5m, sold Paloschi's remainng 50% for 3.5m and also Kingsley Boateng for 1.5m.

That's 27.5m income on just sales, if we also count the amount of money that's been saved on wages also that number jumps up by quite a lot as well.

Kaka, Balo and Robinho alone cost us 22m last season. And this not counting Matri (we're only paying a very little amount of his wages something like 0.9m), Nocerino, Urby, Amelia, Constant, Silvestre and Birsa, who were all earning from 2 to 4m even above that before taxes
Jack Bauer
Luckily, according to sky, Torres doesn't want to leave on loan - he wants a 3-year deal.
X-Offender
If we sign Torres it'll be the biggest facepalm in Milan history. A completely depleted, worn-out ex-player that has been warming the bench at Chelsea for over three years. What in the world is Galliani even thinking? How can Torres be of any use to us? Might as well promote some youngster from the Primavera at this point.

I can't believe this signing campaign. After finishing 8th, you would expect some form of reaction from the club. Nada! It's the same business as usual: players being sold on one hand, free agents and rejects coming in on the other. Zero strategy, zero planning, zero ambitions. We haven't spend jackshit, whereas other clubs spend €15-20 million on each player. Absolutely mind-boggling...
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2014, 09:04 PM) *
If we sign Torres it'll be the biggest facepalm in Milan history. A completely depleted, worn-out ex-player that has been warming the bench at Chelsea for over three years. What in the world is Galliani even thinking? How can Torres be of any use to us? Might as well promote some youngster from the Primavera at this point.

I can't believe this signing campaign. After finishing 8th, you would expect some form of reaction from the club. Nada! It's the same business as usual: players being sold on one hand, free agents and rejects coming in on the other. Zero strategy, zero planning, zero ambitions. We haven't spend jackshit, whereas other clubs spend €15-20 million on each player. Absolutely mind-boggling...

Yup.

Names we are linked with these days are rather depressing (Torres, really?). I keep hoping it is just "mis-direction" and we actually have something in the works, but I fear it is just wishful thinking on my part.

The way I see it, our decisions are rather "reactive" (no planning, last minute decisions, not always rational), we go for what looks like the "easy fix" (which often results in a long term issue), we have lost any scouting ability we ever had (so we do not even try to look for players that have potential), and our "youth policy" is just a phrase that gets used by B&G (AFAIAC, there is no real substance behind it).

Would love to be proven wrong, but at this point it will take facts, not words.
han2503
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Aug 25 2014, 09:17 PM) *
Yup.

Names we are linked with these days are rather depressing (Torres, really?). I keep hoping it is just "mis-direction" and we actually have something in the works, but I fear it is just wishful thinking on my part.

The way I see it, our decisions are rather "reactive" (no planning, last minute decisions, not always rational), we go for what looks like the "easy fix" (which often results in a long term issue), we have lost any scouting ability we ever had (so we do not even try to look for players that have potential), and our "youth policy" is just a phrase that gets used by B&G (AFAIAC, there is no real substance behind it).

Would love to be proven wrong, but at this point it will take facts, not words.

True, and if it is really true that they were working on selling Balo since May, it makes Galliani look like a bigger tool and idiot that he's about to press the usual panic button so he can replace Balo
Rossoneri7
Not excited one bit about the transfer market, I'm more excited about Inzaghi kicking off the season.

Don't think there is much to look forward to, a player will arrive that is for sure and could be one to excite people, but as I said, I am genuinly more excited qbout Inzaghi than the new incoming player.

Last season I did not renew my subscription for Serie A, planning on getting it renewed for this season tomorrow. Club needs the income and though its 'meager' in han's terms, yet I believe we should all have a proactive role in trying to directly support the club as oppossed to indirectly. If the greater fans chip in, each to his own discretion be that merchandise, tv or season ticket. Best time to help the team is when it needs this kind of legitimate income the most.
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 25 2014, 09:25 PM) *
Not excited one bit about the transfer market, I'm more excited about Inzaghi kicking off the season.

Don't think there is much to look forward to, a player will arrive that is for sure and could be one to excite people, but as I said, I am genuinly more excited qbout Inzaghi than the new incoming player.

Last season I did not renew my subscription for Serie A, planning on getting it renewed for this season tomorrow. Club needs the income and though its 'meager' in han's terms, yet I believe we should all have a proactive role in trying to directly support the club as oppossed to indirectly. If the greater fans chip in, each to his own discretion be that merchandise, tv or season ticket. Best time to help the team is when it needs this kind of legitimate income the most.

I'm sorry, but right now this management does not deserve our support no matter how meagre it is.

If Galliani signs Torres on some ridiculous wage and then fails to address the bigger issues in the squad, the support will dwindle even more.

I won't be paying a cent towards the club until I see at least some sort of ambition from the management, I'm not talking spending 40m on a player, but at least something that shows a clear plan anything to know that they're not totally fed up with this club and are just going through the motions to not spend any money while continuing to make this once great club look ridiculous
Rossoneri7
Well I pay to support the team, not the management. When I do that, I contribute to Serie A income and Milan, making it a richer league. As the money obviously will go to Serie A and not exclusively Milan through BeIn.

But han I would never expect you to, your our Rebel tongue.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 25 2014, 09:34 PM) *
Well I pay to support the team, not the management. When I do that, I contribute to Serie A income and Milan, making it a richer league. As the money obviously will go to Serie A and not exclusively Milan through BeIn.

But han I would never expect you to, your our Rebel tongue.gif

I think you're the only outcast on this forum R7 with the way you constantly defend this management's decisions biggrin.gif

The money might not go directly into the management's pockets, I don't need to buy a TV subscription, I have a dreambox sort of set up so that point is moot for me.

But when it comes to buying merchandise or thinking of taking a trip to Milan to watch a game, I'll pass, because that is money directly into the management's pockets, money that they absolutely have no intention of re-investing into the team, no matter how small my contribution is, when it's in the 10s of thousands of people who are doing this very same thing (a clear indication by the plummeting season ticket sales so far) it will hurt them and it will show a clear sign that a lot of fans are not happy with what they're doing
Rossoneri7
I do not support the management, I support Milan!

You are mixing up common sense (from my perspective) with common bias.

The money contributed will never really be reinvested, instead it shall narrow the bottom line net losses, that is if you have been paying attention to our YoY losses.

A dreambox is basically stealing and you complain of Milan being cheap? biggrin.gif


PS Every little bit helps is what I am saying.
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2014, 08:50 PM) *
I think you're the only outcast on this forum R7 with the way you constantly defend this management's decisions biggrin.gif

The money might not go directly into the management's pockets, I don't need to buy a TV subscription, I have a dreambox sort of set up so that point is moot for me.

But when it comes to buying merchandise or thinking of taking a trip to Milan to watch a game, I'll pass, because that is money directly into the management's pockets, money that they absolutely have no intention of re-investing into the team, no matter how small my contribution is, when it's in the 10s of thousands of people who are doing this very same thing (a clear indication by the plummeting season ticket sales so far) it will hurt them and it will show a clear sign that a lot of fans are not happy with what they're doing


Genuine question: have you put any money in the club at all in the past 2 years? Be it a mug, a shirt, subscription, whatever.
Jack Sparrow
A shirt and a tv subscription. Toying with the idea of getting a cuore rossonero card now that it's open to foreigners, but not sure what use it will be.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 26 2014, 10:18 AM) *
A shirt and a tv subscription. Toying with the idea of getting a cuore rossonero card now that it's open to foreigners, but not sure what use it will be.

+1

I think we should help. This is above the "management sucks" level.
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 25 2014, 10:06 PM) *
I do not support the management, I support Milan!

You are mixing up common sense (from my perspective) with common bias.

The money contributed will never really be reinvested, instead it shall narrow the bottom line net losses, that is if you have been paying attention to our YoY losses.

A dreambox is basically stealing and you complain of Milan being cheap? biggrin.gif


PS Every little bit helps is what I am saying.

Money that goes directly into the management's pocket is not "help". If I knew this management were actually serious about this club I'd have no problem with it.

We're about to probably go and waste huge money on Torres and our winger ambitions from names like Iturbe and Costa have spiralled into Biabiany levels, no midfielder has been bought, this after they repeatedly told us that we must make sacrifices when they sold star players over and over again, we sell Balo, save million upon millions just in wages and we haven't spent a single dime of it to make the purchases that will improve this side after a disastrous season.

We won't even spend 3 to 5m on Dzemaili FFS!! We're only trying to go for dry loans like some Serie B feeder club, I know money is tight and Berlu doesn't want to finance the side like he used to but this is above and beyond!!

So no I won't spend any more money on this club, I don't live in Italy so I cannot protest by not buying a ST, but I can not buy a shirt which I otherwise would have had they show one small iota of ambition this summer

As for the dreambox, yeah it's stealing biggrin.gif but everyone here has one because the system in Malta is utterly f@cked up, you have to bring in 2 cable/TV services to get all the matches from the big leagues + CL, that means paying for the initial installation and then paying even bigger fees for the sports pack subscription, we don't have a service like Sky or anything like that.

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 25 2014, 10:34 PM) *
Genuine question: have you put any money in the club at all in the past 2 years? Be it a mug, a shirt, subscription, whatever.

Yes, I have, I even once bought a genuine shirt with all the patches which cost me over a hundred euros, but right now, I honestly cannot stomach spending another cent into this club, because of this management, I'll still support the team and watch games but as far as supporting this management goes, I'm just done
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2014, 10:01 AM) *
Yes, I have, I even once bought a genuine shirt with all the patches which cost me over a hundred euros, but right now, I honestly cannot stomach spending another cent into this club, because of this management, I'll still support the team and watch games but as far as supporting this management goes, I'm just done


This seems to be a recurring theme in modern football. When fans aren't happy with the team, they stop wanting to pay anything into the Club. If they're happy with the team, they're happy to pay.

Yet...football support is surely unequivocal. If you support the club you can't pick and choose when you do and don't support it?

It's like a family - you can't choose who your family are, and you suffer them in the bad times as well as enjoying the good times.

Unfortunately, the modern football fan expects a certain standard, and if he or she deems it not having been met, they no longer support the club.

Not sure I like the modern football supporter tbh. And that's not an attack at you Han, just a general observation on a mentality in general that I cannot identify with.
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2014, 12:27 PM) *
This seems to be a recurring theme in modern football. When fans aren't happy with the team, they stop wanting to pay anything into the Club. If they're happy with the team, they're happy to pay.

Yet...football support is surely unequivocal. If you support the club you can't pick and choose when you do and don't support it?

It's like a family - you can't choose who your family are, and you suffer them in the bad times as well as enjoying the good times.

Unfortunately, the modern football fan expects a certain standard, and if he or she deems it not having been met, they no longer support the club.

Not sure I like the modern football supporter tbh. And that's not an attack at you Han, just a general observation on a mentality in general that I cannot identify with.

This is different, there's not a lack of standards, we don't have any, at all!! It's about complete lack of ambition, if the owner and CEO don't give a f@ck why should I be spending my money to enable them in continuing to do this to our club? We've become an utter laughing stock, even Cairo is making fun of us and Galliani calling him stingy.

Even if there is no big money to be spent, I'd at least expect some clear plan or strategy that they're going by, but it's obvious that there isn't one, Galliani just operates by the seat of his pants, looking for free agents and want-aways or players who are troubled and not wanted by their clubs then goes on to offer them ridiculous wages that become a huge burden for us within a year of their signing.

5 days(!!) until this transfer window closes and we haven't made one signing worth any money aside from Rami, it just boggles the mind, Serie B clubs have probably spent more than us
han2503
Apparently we're closer to Biabiany than Lestienne! Kill me now!!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2014, 12:49 PM) *
+1

I think we should help. This is above the "management sucks" level.



That's the spirit king.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2014, 02:19 PM) *
Apparently we're closer to Biabiany than Lestienne! Kill me now!!

Come on man, your hatred towards certain players is ridiculous. You've not seen Lestienne play much at all.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 26 2014, 01:33 PM) *
Come on man, your hatred towards certain players is ridiculous. You've not seen Lestienne play much at all.

I'd certainly prefer him over Biabiany.

Are you seriously telling me you'd want Biabiany here?? He's nothing but speed, offers nothing else to the team.

If you're going to ask me that question, I'll have to ask you what your obsession is with mediocre/average Serie A players?
Fillipo Simone
So, one more time Han - who would you want here at Milan considering our limited budget?
X-Offender
Biabiany is terrible. I'd rather play Niang.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2014, 01:49 PM) *
So, one more time Han - who would you want here at Milan considering our limited budget?

I think I've answered this question a 100 times

If our options are nothing or waste money on bringing in some mediocre player that EVERYONE will be complaining about within a few months and will become a financial burden that will be happy to sit on our bench, then I'd rather have absolutely no one than bringing in someone just for the sake of bringing him in.

Biabiany is absolutely god awful!! He makes me wish desperately for Cerci! That's how bad he is imo.

There are options out there, Lestienne could come for nothing, he's got some pretty amazing stats and is young and talented, I'd rather take a chance on loaning him than bring in Biabiany, if he doesn't cut it, we just send him back. Simple as that
han2503
Going by rumours atm, we could end up with Biabiany, Borini and maybe Van Ginkel (all on loan except for Biabiany). I mean there are just absolutely no words.

They're on a mission to sign every mediocre player out there and not pay a cent for any of them if it's possible as well.

This window has been even more depressing than the last few years put together
X-Offender
Borini is like Bojan, only 10x worse.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2014, 04:05 PM) *
I think I've answered this question a 100 times

If our options are nothing or waste money on bringing in some mediocre player that EVERYONE will be complaining about within a few months and will become a financial burden that will be happy to sit on our bench, then I'd rather have absolutely no one than bringing in someone just for the sake of bringing him in.

Biabiany is absolutely god awful!! He makes me wish desperately for Cerci! That's how bad he is imo.

There are options out there, Lestienne could come for nothing, he's got some pretty amazing stats and is young and talented, I'd rather take a chance on loaning him than bring in Biabiany, if he doesn't cut it, we just send him back. Simple as that

So basically, you're not having suggestions?
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2014, 03:09 PM) *
So basically, you're not having suggestions?

I gave you Lestienne as a suggestion.

RW doesn't concern me as much, so I'm okay with bringing in a kid with talent and potential in that area.

But if it's Biabiany as the only option, I'd rather stick with what we have, because I know for a fact the whining that will go on here about him when he turns into a total waste of time and money will be epic (don't get me wrong, I'll be involved in them as the rest on here). Biabiany is absolutely not what we need, he won't improve the team, just be another dead weight
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2014, 02:17 PM) *
Borini is like Bojan, only 10x worse.

Agreed, another complete waste of time.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2014, 05:18 PM) *
I gave you Lestienne as a suggestion.

RW doesn't concern me as much, so I'm okay with bringing in a kid with talent and potential in that area.

But if it's Biabiany as the only option, I'd rather stick with what we have, because I know for a fact the whining that will go on here about him when he turns into a total waste of time and money will be epic (don't get me wrong, I'll be involved in them as the rest on here). Biabiany is absolutely not what we need, he won't improve the team, just be another dead weight

How many times did you actually see Lestienne play?
Rossoneri7









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Fillipo Simone
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kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2014, 02:46 PM) *
Are you seriously telling me you'd want Biabiany here?? He's nothing but speed, offers nothing else to the team.

I'd rather a Serie A proven player who's had a few good seasons over somebody who's only played in a crap league who I've barely seen anything of.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2014, 02:46 PM) *
If you're going to ask me that question, I'll have to ask you what your obsession is with mediocre/average Serie A players?

Obsession? I'm a football fan. Milan happen to be mediocre and linked with such players, which is why we talk about them. If Cerci is indeed mediocre, you're the one with the obsession, you can't go long without bringing him up.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2014, 09:05 PM) *
huh.gif


I napped and had Falcao in golden letters in my dream biggrin.gif

So I thought I'd share it .. Thoughtful of me tongue.gif no?
Forza Milan!
Torres keeps coming back up. To me, that would be a huge waste of money, particularly from a club that is having financial challenges.

Personally, I would prefer no signing right now rather than someone we will regret having (and will struggle to get rid of - we have enough of those). Better off taking a chance with Primavera (if necessary) and sitting on the money until we find someone worth getting, perhaps this winter.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 26 2014, 08:25 PM) *
I napped and had Falcao in golden letters in my dream biggrin.gif

So I thought I'd share it .. Thoughtful of me tongue.gif no?

Very. But why not Cerci in gold too? That would make our penguin completely lost wink.gif
Darunia
Sorry if this has been posted before... but

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-poke/65/...s-free-agent-xi

I cry :'(
drucurl
In the past I used to refer to Real Madrid as the Ferarri with no reverse gear.....meaning that they are exceptional going forward but when it comes time to get back (and defend) they have a rather roundabout approach to it.

At present, and after Real have yet again won the CL, it seams that Milan is the one that has stolen that revrese gear because we take the things from Real's past and simply can't stop going backward. Torres didn't even come from the Real Madrid and now that he's history, we seem most interested in him
KillerMax
Torres has scored 20 in 110 matches for Chelsea? OMG
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2014, 04:29 PM) *
How many times did you actually see Lestienne play?

Truth: Zero. But I repeat, he comes in free of charge on a loan, if he's no good we return him without any issues at the end of the season, if he turns out to be good we sign him.

Plus, as I said, RW doesn't concern me much, we're covered there imo so adding someone like Biabiany just so that Galliani can say that he's made the signing that he "wanted" is just pointless. Might as well go for someone with some hope.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 26 2014, 06:15 PM) *
I'd rather a Serie A proven player who's had a few good seasons over somebody who's only played in a crap league who I've barely seen anything of.


Obsession? I'm a football fan. Milan happen to be mediocre and linked with such players, which is why we talk about them. If Cerci is indeed mediocre, you're the one with the obsession, you can't go long without bringing him up.

Serie A proven player doesn't say much these days. And Biabiany having a half decent season where he outpaces everyone in the league is just not good enough, like I said, I'd rather not sign anyone if our only option is him, he's terrible even by Serie A standards

I didn't mention Cerci here so it's not me that's obsessed with him, in fact I've actually been HOPING for Cerci going by the recent rumours going around, he is Serie A proven, yes, and I never said he was mediocre, but average.

I'm personally mostly p!ssed off that we're going after anyone available, no matter what type of player he is or whether or not he's good enough to improve our team, that's my main issue. Because we all know that within a year's time we'll be struggling to get rid of these leeches off our wage bill. We spent the better part of this summer trying to offload so many players and now we're seemingly undoing all of that to bring an all new host of deadwood in
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 26 2014, 11:19 PM) *
Torres has scored 20 in 110 matches for Chelsea? OMG

His last decent season was 4 years ago but Galliani just called him a great striker and "we will see if we manage to sign him" rolleyes.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 26 2014, 08:34 PM) *
His last decent season was 4 years ago but Galliani just called him a great striker and "we will see if we manage to sign him" rolleyes.gif

Let's see if they give him some obscene wage as well rolleyes.gif
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 26 2014, 09:40 PM) *
Let's see if they give him some obscene wage as well rolleyes.gif

We are probably not going to get him unless we offer an obscene wage. And once we do that he will not want to leave (he will become our next Robinho). Then we will complain about our wage bill, and B&G will explain to us why we cannot buy players until we sell the ones we have. And once again we will be left until the last minute to look for players. (Vicious cycle.)
han2503
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Aug 26 2014, 08:49 PM) *
We are probably not going to get him unless we offer an obscene wage. And once we do that he will not want to leave (he will become our next Robinho). Then we will complain about our wage bill, and B&G will explain to us why we cannot buy players until we sell the ones we have. And once again we will be left until the last minute to look for players. (Vicious cycle.)

Yep

Just look at Roma, they sold Benatia and had Manolas already secured as his replacement, compare that to us and what we've done every time we've sold an important player
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